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samAdhAna- .. shAnti AtmAkA svabhAv hai aur AtmAmen hai. bAhar to kalpanAse sukh mAnA hai. sukh, shAnti bAhar to nahIn hai. jIv ananta kAlase shubhabhAv kare, bAhya kriyAen kare, bAhar dharma mAnakar karatA hai, parantu andarakI AkulatA TAlanI, vah to svayam andar samajhe to hotA hai. shubhabhAv kare, bhale bahut kare, bAharase bahut kare, upavAs kare, sAmAyik kare, pratikramaN kare, mandir jAy, pUjA-bhakti sab kare, lekin andaramen shAnti to AtmAko pahachAne to hotI hai. vah sab to shubhabhAv hote hain, un sabase puNya-bandha hotA hai, devalok mile, parantu dev to ek gati hai. dev bhav ananta bAr mile, manuShyabhav milA, sab milA, parantu vah sab bhav hai. bhavakA abhAv to AtmAko pahachAne to hotA hai.

vah sab shubhabhAv puNyabhAv hain. usase AtmA to andar bhinna hI hai. bhinna AtmAko pahachAne to hotA hai. sharIr to jaD kuchh jAnatA nahIn, andar jo vikalpa Aye, shubhabhAv Aye, ashubhabhAv Aye, sab bhAv vikalpa hain. kisIse puNya bandhe aur kisIse pAp bandhe. parantu usase bhinna jo AtmA jAnanevAlA hai, vah gnAyak AtmAko pahachAne to usamense shAnti AtI hai. parantu use pahachAnaneke liye, AtmA gnAyak hai usamen shAnti hai, usamen Ananda hai, use pahachAnaneke liye usakI ruchi, usakI jignAsA, usakA vichAr karanA chAhiye. usakA vAnchan (karanA chAhiye). satya kyA hai, vah svayam vAnchan, vichAr karake svayamse nakkI kare to hotA hai. parantu svayamse samajhe nahIn to satsang kare, jahAn sachchA satsang milatA ho, vahAn vah satya jAnanekA prayatna kare ki satya kyA hai? shAnti to andar AtmAmen hai, bAhar kahIn nahIn hai.

mumukShu- vah samajh to ho gayI hai, utanA to samajhate haiain ki yah bAhya kriyA hai. antarakI bAt alag hai. AtmAkA darshan honA chAhiye, vah barAbar hai. parantu aisA satsang milatA nahIn, aisI gnAnagoShThI karaneke liye vichAronkA AdAnapradAn karen, vahAn aisA koI (milatA nahIn). main paDhUn, Age nahIn baDh pAtI hUn, aTak jAtI hUn, aisI sab manakI paristhiti hai. isaliye andar udveg bahut hotA hai. karanA hai, satya vastu prApta karanI hai, satya mArga par chaDh jAnA hai, utanI jignAsA hai. satya kyA hai aur asatya

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kyA hai, utanI samajhan huyI hai, paDhate-paDhate, prayatna karate-karate. parantu abhI vahAn jAun to vahAn kuchh kamI lage, derAsaramen jAun to vahAn kuchh kamI lage.

samAdhAna- jahAn satya milatA ho, vahAn satya jAnanekA prayatna karanA. satya vastu jAne, svayam jAne to andar nakkI ho ki yahI satya hai. phir usI rAste par svayam prayatna kare, usakA vichAr kare, usakI jignAsA (Adi) sab kare. parantu satya kyA hai yah nakkI karaneke liye satsang, jahAn satya bAt milatI ho aise sthAnamen jAkarasatsang kare to hotA hai.

mumukShu- aise to bAhar jAtI hI hUn. vavANiyA jAtI hUn, vaDavA jAtI hUn. pustak rakhe hain. bhaktimen mujhe visheSh ras hai. AnandaghanajIke pad, AdhyAtmik pad artha sahit milAn karun. usakA pUrA milAn karatI hUn.

samAdhAna- vah hai, lekin andar satya jyAdA nahIn jAne, parantu thoDA bhI mArga to use jAnanA chAhiye. satya jAne binA Age nahIn baDh sakatA. ek gAmv jAnA ho to kis gAmvamen jAnA hai, usakA rAstA jAne binA (kaise jAyegA)? bhale phir dhIre- dhIre chale, chalanemen der lage, parantu mArga to jAnanA chAhiye na? ki is mArgase jAnA hotA hai. sachche gnAn binA, prayojanabhUt gnAn binA, bhale bhakti, utsAh Adi sab Aye, mahimA Aye, dev-guru-shAstrakI mahimA Aye, AtmAkI mahimA Aye, parantu satya kyA hai use jAne binA Age kaise jAyegA? sachchA gnAn to (karanA chAhiye). gnAn binA kaise jAnA hogA? satsang karanA chAhiye, jo satya jAnatA ho use pUchhanA chAhiye. sachche shAstra, jahAn satsang ho vahAn samajhanA chAhiye. samajhaneke liye prayatna karanA chAhiye. mAtra akelI bhakti karatA rahe to bhI Age nahIn baDh sakatA.

mumukShu- kamI lagatI hai, isIliye yah khoj aur prayatna chAlU rakhe hain. isamen kamI hai, kuchh kamI hai, kuchh kamI hai, abhI kuchh chAhiye.

samAdhAna- .. bolanekI jarUrat nahIn hai. apanI mAnyatAmen pheraphAr karanA hai. bAhar jAnA chhoD denA aisA kuchh usamen AtA nahIn. apanI mAnyatA badalanI hai. mAnyatA badale to apaneAp sab pheraphAr hotA hai. koI derAvAsI ho vah kahe, yah mandir Adi kyA? lekin tum satya samajho to apaneAp sab pheraphAr honge. gurudev sthAnakavAsI sampradAyamen the. unhonne sab shAstra dekhe hain. derAvAsI, sthAnakavAsI, usamense unhonne pheraphAr karake, unako yah satya lagA to use grahaN kar liyA.

mumukShu- aisA kah sakate hain kyA abhI jo dharmakAl pravartatA hai, aisA pIchhale do hajAr varShamen nahIn pravartatA thA. kAraN ki kundakunda svAmIko pratyakSha dekhanevAle Ap akele hI do hAjar varShamen yahAn ho. vahAn videhakShetramen...

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samAdhAna- yahAn dharmakAl nahIn pravartatA thA, aisA kaise kah sakate hain?

mumukShu- vyApakarUpase.

samAdhAna- kundakundAchArya yahAn virAjate the tab dharmakAl to pravartatA hogA. nahIn pravartatA aisA kaise kah sakate hain? gurudevane to bahut prabhAvanA kI. lekin kundakundAchAryadev virAjate honge tab bhI prabhAvanA huI hogI.

mumukShu- jangalamen the na.

samAdhAna- vah apekShA alag hai. jangalamen ho vah apekShA alag hai. aur abhI ham dUsarI apekShAse kahate hain. muni jangalamen ho aur gAmvamen Aye tab ho. yahAn gurudev to sab mumukShuonke bIch, hajAron mumukShuonke bIch yahAn nirantar vANI barasAte the. 45- 45 sAl tak vANI barasatI rahI. mumukShuonke bIch rahakar jo lAbh diyA, vah to koI apUrva hai. vah ek apekShA alag hai. bAkI kundakundAchAryakA to yah shAsan kahalAtA hai.

kitanI prAchIn pratimAen dekhen to sabamen kundakunda AmnAy, kundakunda AmnAy aisA AtA hai. ve to mahA samartha AchArya ho gaye. us vakta kuchh alag huA hogA, is vakta kuchh alag hai. gurudev tIrthankarakA dravya, yahAn gurudev padhAre vah mahAbhAgyakI bAt hai. pahale jo kriyAmen the aur abhI sabako chaitanyakI ruchi aur chaitanyakA vichAr karanA sIkhe, yahAn saurAShTramen hI nahIn har jagah prabhAvanA huyI. kundakundAchArya virAjate the vah alag thA. munirAj yahAnse videhakShetramen gaye aur vahAnse vApas Aye. sabako upadesh diyA, vah kAl us samayamen kuchh alag hI huA hogA. vah alag hogA. abhI yah alag hai.

mumukShu- kundakundasvAmI kahIn likhakar nahIn gaye hain ki main videhakShetramen jAkar (sunakar yah likh rahA hUn).

samAdhAna- unhonne svayam bhale hI nahIn likhA ho, parantu shAstrommen AtA hai, AchArya likhate hain, panchAstikAyakI TIkAmen AtA hai, devasenAchArya Adi sab kahate hain. shAstramen lekh Ate hain. shilAlekhommen AtA hai.

mumukShu- shilAlekh parase kahe. Ap to sAkShAt dekhakar yahAn bAt karate ho.

samAdhAna- vah apekShA alag hai, yah apekShA alag hai. donon apekShAse samajhanA hai. donon apekShAse samajhanA. munirAj the, mahAsamartha AchArya the. us vakta sAkShAt us dehamen jo videhakShetramen sImandhar bhagavAnake sAkShAt darshan karake, vahAn vANI sunakar is bharatakShetramen padhAre, us samayakA mAhol us vakta kaisA huA hogA? vah kuchh alag hI huA hogA.

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mumukShu- ek apekShAse to gurudev aur Ap, donon sAkShAt vANI sunakar hI yahAn padhAre ho. ve pahale gaye aur vApas Aye. Ap pahalI bAr yahAn Aye.

samAdhAna- Apako jo artha lenA ho vah lIjiye.

mumukShu- chaturtha kAl kahate hain, yahAn sonagaDhamen chaturtha kAl vartatA hai.

samAdhAna- jise hit ho, jaisA artha lenA ho vaisA le sakate hain. bAkI sab apekShAen samajhanI hai.

mumukShu- mAtAjI! Aj gurudevakA parivartanakA divas hai.

samAdhAna- gurudev tIrthankarakA dravya, tIrthankar jaisA kArya kiyA. tIrthankarakA dravya to ho, parantu yah to tIrthankar jaisA gurudevane abhI kAm kiyA. is bharatakShetramen vANI koI alag hI thI. unake jaisI vANI kisIkI nahIn thI. pUre sampradAyakA parivartan kiyA. vah koI alag bAt thI. vah koI AsAn bAt nahIn thI. pUre sampradAyamen unake prati sabako mahimA thI. sampradAyamen logonkA samUh ikaThThA hotA thA, vah sab chhoDakar ek or baiaiThakar svayamne parivartan kiyA. sampradAyamen khalabalI mach gayI, to bhI akelene andar puruShArtha karake, sab sahan karaneke liye taiyAr the. samAchAr patrommen sab jagah khalabalI mach gayI thI.

yahAn ekAnta sthAnamen koI Aye, na Aye, kisIkI paravAh nahIn kI. bhale thoDe log Aye, hajAronkI janasankhyAmen baiThakar gurudev vyAkhyAn karate the. usake badale yahAn ekAntavAsamen Akar baiTh gaye. parivartan kiyA, aisA logonko mAlUm huA to sthAnakavAsImen khalabalI mach gayI. unako aisA thA, andar jo mAnatA hUn vah bAt aur bAharamen bhes alag hai. isaliye bhesakA bhI parivartan kar diyA. parantu gurudev par logonko itanI bhakti thI ki kAnajIsvAmI jo kahate hain vah sab satya hai. aur vichArapUrvak hI sab karate hain. kAnajIsvAmIke liye sthAnakavAsI sampradAyamen aisA kahate the, unake jaise koI sAdhu nahIn the, vahAn sthAnakavAsI sampradAyamen. unhonne jo kiyA hogA vichAr karake kiyA hogA. turant pratham paryuShaNamen hI logonkA samUh AyA thA. sampradAyakA Agrah chhoDakar bahut log Ane lage.

mumukShu- parivartanakA divas bhI mahAvIrasvAmIke janmajayantike din hI..

samAdhAna- terasake din hI gurudevane parivartan kiyA. yahAn chhoTI pahADI hai na? yahAn sonagaDhamen chhoTI pahADI para. sTAr oph inDiyA, kahalAtI hai. usakA nAm hI vahI thA. us bangalekA nAm pahalese sTAr oph inDiyA thA.

mumukShu- hindustAnakA tArA.

samAdhAna- hindustAnakA tArA.

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mumukShu- kudaratI kaisA mel hai! kundakundasvAmIke nAmakA artha bhI suvarNa hI hotA hai na?

samAdhAna- hAn, suvarNa hotA hai.

mumukShu- aur yah suvarNapurI.

samAdhAna- yah suvarNapurI. sampradAyake sAmane Takkar jhelakar sab pheraphAr kiyA. satya mArga hai, parantu mAtra kriyA nahIn, antarangase unhonne to...

svAnubhUtikA mArga, us mArgake sAth digambar mArga AtA hai. usamense dhIre-dhIre unakI prabhAvanA baDhatI gayI. sab digambar is or muDane lage. lekin mAtra ek bhes dhAraN kiyA isaliye digambar aisA nahIn. unakA to antaramense bhAvasahit sab upadesh us prakArakA thA.

mumukShu- bhAvasahit aur sab nyAyase samajhamen Aye, yuktise samajhamen Aye, is tarah sab (samajhAyA).

samAdhAna- nyAyase, yuktise sabako baiTh jAy, vaise. chAron orase. ... sab AtA hai. kundakundAchAryake shAstra abhI tak chale.

mumukShu- prabhAvanAmen ApakA jAtismaraN bhI ek utanA hI prabal kAraN thA. unhen bhale AbhAsA hotA thA ki main tIrthankar honevAlA hUn. parantu pratyakSharUpase jo khyAl A gayA..

samAdhAna- Ap sabako jo artha karanA ho vah karo, bAkI to tIrthankarakA dravya thA. tIrthankar to tIrthankar hI the. unhonne to is bharat kShetramen vANI barasAyI. aisI joradAr unakI AtmasparshI vANI sabako asar kare, aisI. is kAraNase sab AtmAkI or muDe. hajAron mumukShu ho gaye. vah to ek mahApuruSh ho unake pIchhe sab hotA hai. tIrthankar bhagavAn jagatamen sarvotkRuShTa kahalAte hain. jagatamen sarvotkRuShTa ho to tIrthankaradev hain.

mumukShu- shAstronkA gujarAtI bhAShAmen (anuvAd huA).

samAdhAna- vah to ek mahApuruSh ho, tIrthankar dravya yahAn padhAre. tIrthankar jaisA hI kAm kiyA. unake pIchhe sab kuchh hotA hai. bhagavAnakA samavasaraN ho, vahAn sabakuchh hotA hai. .. ek bhagavAnakI hotI hai, bAkI sab to unake pIchhe hote hain. sab unake dAs hain. sabakuchh hotA hai, parantu samavasaraNamen mahimA ek bhagavAnakI hotI hai. usamen sab muni hote hain, gaNadhar, RuddhidhArI Adi sab hote hain. indra, chakravartI Adi sab hote hain. mahimA ek bhagavAnakI hotI hai. indra samavasaraN rachatA hai, tab kahatA hai, he bhagavAn! yah rachanA ho gayI, vah Apake kAraN rachanA ho gayI hai. svayam hI rachakar svanyako hI Ashcharya hotA hai. ApakA aisA koI puNya hai, aisA sarvotkRuShTa puNya hai,

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is kAraNase yah sab rachanA huyI hai.

mumukShu- indra unake puNya dekhakar Ashcharyachakit hotA hai, usamen vANI bhI aisI hotI hai ki samajhanevAleko aisA lagatA hai ki aisA to hamen kabhI milA hI nahIn.

samAdhAna- bhagavAnakI mudrA aisI, bhagavAnakA samavasaraN aisA, bhagavAnakI vANI aisI, sabakuchh aisA hI hotA hai. bhagavAnakI divyadhvani aisI. yahAn gurudevakI vANI aisI. aisI vANI sunakar log thambh jAte the. sab TagaraTagar dekhate rahate the aur kyA kahate hain? kuchh alag hI kahate hain, is prakAr sabake hRudayakA parivartan ho jAtA thA. vANI to, vANIkI to kyA bAt karanI?

mumukShu- gurudevake upadeshakA mukhya sUr, tU paramAtmA hai vah yA parakA akartApanA?

samAdhAna- tU paramAtmA hai, vaha.

mumukShu- vah mukhya sUr thA?

samAdhAna- mukhya. apanI asti grahaN karanI. tU gnAyak paramAtmA hai. tU paramAtmA hai, aisA grahaN kar to usamense paramAtmapad pragaT hogA. usamen akartApanA A jAtA hai. paramAtmAko grahaN kare usamen. usamen sab samA jAtA hai. asti grahaN kare usamen nAsti samA jAtI hai. parapadArthakA kartA nahIn hai. tU svayam sarvotkRuShTa paramAtmA hai.

kaisA paramAtmA? gnAyak paramAtmA. jAnanevAlA paramAtmA, kartA nahIn hai. paramAtmAkA svarUp vichAre to paramAtmA kaisA paramAtmA? gnAyak paramAtmA anant shaktionse bharapUr anant mahimAvanta. gnAyak jAnanevAlA huA, usamen kartRutva chhUT gayA. jAne so kartA nahIn, kartA so jAne nahIn. "karai karam so hI karatArA, jo jAne so jAnanahArA'. jAnanevAlA ho vah kuchh karatA nahIn, gnAtA rahatA hai.

mumukShu- usakA upAy, Apane samyak jayantike din kahA ki gnAtAkas DorI lekar usake sanmukh ho-svarUp sanmukh ho, vah usakA upAya.

samAdhAna- gnAtAkI DorI grahaN kar le. gnAyak hI hUn, aisA grahaN karake svasanmukh jAy to kartRutva chhUT jAya.

mumukShu- mAtAjI! us din dekhA ki Apane uttar denese pahale to gurudevakA kitanA vinay, bahumAn (karake) Age to gurudevako hI rakhA. gurudevakA sab upakAr hai, guurudevane hI sab diyA hai, gurudevakA hI sab hai. usake bAd Apane uttar diyA. Ap jahAn bhI dekho, vahAn aisA lage ki har jagah Ap pahale to gurudevako hI sthApate ho.

samAdhAna- gurudevako hI sthApanA hotA hai. dUsarA kyA sthApan karanA? jinhonne mArga batAyA, paramAtmAkA svarUp batAyA, aise gurudevakI hI sthApanA hotI hai.

mumukShu- main to dAsAnudAs hUn. Ap kaise shabda bolate the.

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samAdhAna- apanA kuchh bhI rakhanA ki main... vah AtmArthIkA lakShaN hI nahIn hai.

mumukShu- adabhut vinay! baDonko sar par rakhanekA jo Ap vachanAmRutamen kahate ho vah Apake jIvanamen sAkShAt Utar gayA ho, aisA lagatA hai.

samAdhAna- jise muktike mArga par jAnA hai, apanA svabhAv pragaT karanA hai, use dev-guru-shAstra sAthamen hI hote hain. svayam gnAyak paramAtmA hai, lekin sAdhak dashA hai. sAdhak dashAvAleko bIchamen dev-guru-shAstra usake sAth (hote hain), unakI mahimA Aye binA rahatI hI nahIn. nahIn to "main kuchh hUn' use bIchamen Aye to usakI sAdhak dashA hI nahIn rahatI hai.