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mumukShu- is samayakI tattva charchAmen, mAtAjI! ... ApakA aur gurudevakA Ashay to ek hI hotA hai. yah shabda Apake shrImukhase sune nahIn hai. is vakta bhAIne khAs rakhA ki dev-guuru-shAstra bhI jaD hai. tab Apane samayasArajIkA AdhAr dekar kahA, tIsarI bhUmikAmen jAneke lie use apekShAse kah sakate hain.

samAdhAna- apane shubhAshubh bhAv vibhAv hai, parantu nimittako jhaharakA Arop kaise kiyA jAy?

mumukShu- vah to apanI mahimA karAnevAlA hai, apanA Adarsha hai, muktike mArgako prApta kiyA, dev to mokShako prApta hue hain, unake prati aisA bhAv Aye binA nahIn rahatA.

samAdhAna- shubhAshubh bhAv AkulatArUp hai, apanA svabhAv nahIn hai. vah bhAva. parantu jo nimitta hai, jisane svabhAv pragaT karake svAnubhUti pragaT kI aur svarUpamen ramate hain, un par AtmArthIko jhaharakA Arop karanekA prayojan kyA hai? ga

gurudev to mArga prakAshak the. sampradAyamen sab kriyAmen paDe the aur sabakI dRuShTi hI viparIt thI. mujhe koI par kar detA hai aur kartAbuddhi.. koI bhagavAn kar detA hai. yathArtha tattva aur nishchayamen vastu kyA hai, use batAnevAle gurudevane pUrA parivartan (kar diyA). jorase na kahe to logonkI dRuShTi palaTe nahIn. sabako aisA hI ho gayA thA ki sabakuchh mAno bhagavAn kar detA hai, paradravya kar detA hai, aisI sab buddhi TUTe nahIn, yadi gurudev jorase dravyadRuShTikI bAt na kare to. ve to mArga prakAshak the aur sAdhakadashAmen sab aise shabdaprayog kare vah yogya nahIn hai.

mumukShu- mArga prakAshakakI shailI..

samAdhAna- vah alag hotI hai. nahIn to kartAbuddhimen paradravya kar detA hai, vah bhAv TUTe nahIn. sab kriyAkAnDamen aise lIn ho gaye the.

mumukShu- mUl digambar hamako is bAtakA patA nahIn thA.

samAdhAna- hAn, vah sab aisA mAnanevAle the. kriyAkAnDa.

mumukShu- sab kriyAkAnD thA.

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samAdhAna- hAn, mUl digambar kriyAkAnDamen the.

mumukShu- aisA prahAr kiye binA chhUTakArA nahIn thA.

samAdhAna- mArga prakAshak to aisA hI kahe. aise hI hotA hai. shAstrommen sab AtA hai, apekShAse sab AtA hai. ek bAt svayam svatantra dravya hai, vah bAt alag hai. upAdAnakI dRuShTikI bAt alag hai aur yah bAt alag hai. us bAt par vajan denekA koI prayojan nahIn hai. dravya par dRuShTi karanekA prayojan hai. shubhAshubh bhAv merA svarUp nahIn hai. main usase bhinna hUn. aise bhAvanA karake phir bAharamen aise shabda prayog karanekI (jarUrat nahIn hai). jo mArga prakAshak na ho use aisA bolanekI koI jarUrat nahIn hai.

mumukShu- paDhanA, sunanA (hotA hai), parantu nishchay nahIn huA hai. vAnchanamen kis prakArakA dhyAn rakhanA ki jisase nishchay ho?

samAdhAna- gnAyakakA lakShya kaise ho? aisI ruchi rakhanI. vah AtmAke liye hai na. ek AtmArthakA prayojan hai. AtmAkA svarUp kaise samajhamen Aye? AtmAkA nishchay kaise ho? satya vastu kaise samajhamen Aye? is hetuse shAstramense svAdhyAy kare. satya vastu kaise grahaN ho, is hetuse. AtmA kaise samajhamen Aye? gnAyak kaise samajhamen Aye? gnAyak kise kahate hain? gnAyakakA lakShaN kyA? jAnanA. vah jAnapanA kaise pahachAnamen Aye? gnAyak kaise pahachAnamen Aye? yah vibhAv kyA? svabhAv kyA? kaise pahachAnamen Aye? dravya-guN-paryAyakA svarUp kyA? vah samajhaneke liye, AtmAke prayojanake liye samajhanA. gnAyakakA lakShya nahIn huA hai (to) usakA lakShya kaise ho? usakI ruchi rakhanA, vah hetu rakhanA. shAstra mAtra jAnaneke liye nahIn, parantu AtmAkA svarUp kaise samajhamen Aye, is hetuse-sva hetuse vichAr karanA, paDhanA.

mumukShu- prayojan AtmAkA honA chAhiye.

samAdhAna- prayojan AtmAkA honA chAhiye. bhavakA abhAv kaise ho? bAharakA ananta kAl sab kiyA, shubhabhAv kiye, puNyabandha huA, sab hotA hai, parantu AtmAkA svarUp kaise samajhamen Aye? bhavakA abhAv kaise ho? svabhAvakA sukh kaise prApta ho? aisA hetu honA chAhiye.

mumukShu- anumAnase-anumAn gnAnase AtmA prApta nahIn ho sakatA. samayasAramen to lakShya-lakShaNakA bhed batAkar jo gnAnakA lakShaN prasiddha hai, usase anumAnase hI lakShya karavAnA chAhate hai?

samAdhAna- vah anumAnamen aisA kahanA hai ki mAtra Upar-Uparase anumAn kiyA aise nahIn. parantu andar yathArtha anumAn, svabhAvako pahachAnakar anumAna. lakShaNase lakShya

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pahachAnamen vah apekShA alag hai aur anumAnase pahachAnA nahIn jAtA, vah apekShA alag hai. donon apekShA alag hai. anumAnase pahachAnamen Aye, yathArtha anumAn, yathArtha lakShaNako pahachAne to lakShya pahachAnamen AtA hai. yathArtha anumAnase. parantu jo anumAnase nahIn pahachAjA jAtA arthAt gnAyak dravya bAharase anumAnamAtrase pahachAnA nahIn jAtA, gnAyak gnAyak dvArA pahachAnA jAtA hai. donon apekShAen alag hain.

mumukShu- vah yathArtha lakShaN hai.

samAdhAna- vah yathArtha lakShaN hai. andar svarUp lakShyamen, dravyake lakShyase dravyako pahachAne usamen sab bAhya ho jAtA hai. anumAnase pahachAnA vah sab vyavahAr ho jAtA hai. svayam svayamke dvArA antaramen pahachAnA jAtA hai, svayam hI hai. vah apekShA alag hai, yah apekShA alag hai. parantu vyavahAr athavA anumAn kuchh ho hI nahIn to Age (kaise baDhe)? anumAnakA vyavahAr to bIchamen Aye binA rahatA hI nahIn. gnAnase gnAnakA vyavahAr bIchamen Aye binA nahIn rahatA. shraddhA prApta ho, gnAnakA vyavahAr to bIchamen AtA hI hai. yathArtha gnAn ho to yathArtha shraddhA hotI hai. vyavahAr bIchamen Aye binA nahIn rahatA. shraddhA mukhya hone par bhI bIchamen gnAn Aye binA nahIn rahatA.

mumukShu- ..

samAdhAna- hAn, vah anumAn hai, yathArtha anumAna. bAharase anumAn karanA vah nahIn, lakShaNako pahachAnanA vah anumAna.

mumukShu- pahachAnanekA jo svayamkA prayAs chalatA ho, usamen vikalpa dvArA use vichAr chalate ho aur sAthamen apane bhAvamen, yah gnAn hai, yah jAnanA hai, yah jAnanekA sAmarthya hai, to pahale jo-jo vikalpa gaye vah sab vyavahAr ho jAtA hai aur..

samAdhAna- vah sab vyavahAr hai. svayam svayamko pahachAn lenA. svayamkI svayamke dvArA pahachAn ho gayI, apanI antar pariNatise antaramen pahachAnA, vah sab nishchay hai. bIchamen sab vichAr Ate hain, vah vyavahAr hai. parantu vah bIchamen Aye binA rahatA hI nahIn. gnAnalakShaN hai, anumAnase. vah anumAn bhI yathArtha anumAn hai.

.. kab kahA jAy? lakShaNase pahachAnA, parantu antaramen svayam apane svabhAvamen gayA aur svabhAvamen sthir ho gayA, tab jaisA AtmA thA vaisA usane pahachAnA. aisA kahA jAya. usakI pratIt, gnAn, lInatA sab abhed hokar pariNaman huA, tab use yathArtha pratIt huyI. bIchamen use lakShaNase pahachAnakar nakkI kiyA ki gnAnasvabhAv hI AtmA hai. phir antaramen svayam us rUp ho gayA, jaisA thA vaisA. isaliye bIchamen jAnanekA vyavahAr AtA hai. anumAnamAtra nahIn hai. svayam svayamke dvArA pahachAnA (jAtA hai), vah apekShA alag hai.

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.. aisA bhI AtA hai ki pahale yathArtha gnAn karanA, shraddhA karanI. phir svayam apane svarUpamen lIn ho. phir aisA Aye ki tabhI vah samyakapane dikhatA hai, tabhI samyakapane anubhavamen AtA hai. use samyak nAm kab diyA jAtA hai? ki jab us rUp pariNamit ho gayA tab use kahanemen AtA hai.

usakI pratIti aur gnAyakadhArA to sahajarUpase chalatI hI hai. parantu pahale use pahachAne tab gnAnalakShaNase pahachAne. yah gnAn jo lakShaN hai vah main gnAyak hUn, svayamko pahachAn letA hai.

mumukShu- samyagdRuShTikA pramANagnAn ..

samAdhAna- samyagdRuShTikA pramANagnAn? bAkI sab vyavahAra. pahale jo anumAn Adi kahate hain vah sab (vyavahAr). use yathArtha nAm nahIn kah sakate.

yathArtha shraddhA ho. AtA hai na? nistuSh yukti avalambanase. aisI yuktikA avalamban hai ki jo TUTe nahIn, aisI yathArtha. svabhAvako pahachAnakar svayam apaneko jAnatA hai. parantu vah kise pahachAnA gayA? svayam apanese. svayam apane svarUpase anumAnase, koI bAhya kAraN jise lAgU nahIn paDate. svayam apanese pahachAnA jAtA hai. vah apekShA pUrI alag hai.

... parantu utanA hI nahIn hai. utanA nahIn hai, parantu abhI andar dUsarA hai. svayam apane dvArA jAnanemen AtA hai. mAtra jAn liyA aur shraddhA kI isaliye jAnanemen AtA hai, aisA nahIn hai. svayam apanI pariNatise jAnanemen AtA hai. aisA kahanA hai. vyavahAr nahIn hai aisA nahIn kahanA hai, utanA hI nahIn hai apitu usase kuchh adhik hai.

mumukShu- usase Age..

samAdhAna- usase Age hai.

mumukShu- andarase hotA hai.

samAdhAna- hAn, andarase hotA hai. sthUl anumAn nahIn, yah to andarakA anumAn ho gayA. lakShaNase lakShya pahachAnA. parantu vah anumAnamAtra itanA hI nahIn, parantu andar svayam apanI pariNatise pahachAnA jAtA hai. svayam apane svabhAvase pahachAnamen AtA hai. astitvase, svayam apanI pariNatise antarase pahachAnA jAtA hai. svAnubhUtise, apane astitvase, apanI pariNatise pahachAnA jAtA hai. mAtra anumAnase nahIn.

.. usamen pUrA nahIn A jAtA. vah lakShaN to ek guN AyA. ek gnAnaguN hI AyA. parantu us lakShaNase pUrA lakShya pahachAnanekA kAraN banatA hai. AtmArthI aisA hai ki lakShaN dvArA pUreko grahaN kar letA hai. pUrA pahachAnanekA hai, ek guN nahIn pahachAnanA hai. ... pahachAnatA nahIn. parantu apanA pUrA astitva pahachAn letA hai.

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mumukShu- abheda.

samAdhAna- abhedako pahachAn letA hai. prakAsh nahIn, yah tej dikhAI detA hai, vah prakAsh nahIn, us prakArakA prakAsh nahIn. bahut kahate hain na? andar dhyAn kiyA to prakAsh ho gayA. us prakArakA prakAsh nahIn hai, vah prakAsh nahIn hai. yah prakAshaguN prakAshatva shakti andar hai. vah prakAsh alag, chaitanyakA prakAsh lenA. arUpI prakAsh hai, yah rUpI prakAsh nahIn hai. svAnubhUtimen chaitanyakI anubhUti hai, usamen prakAsh par lakShya nahIn hai. prakAsh yAnI gnAn svayam prakAshasvarUp hI hai. ek prakAshatva shakti AtmAmen hai. andar kisIko kalpanA ho jAtI hai ki andarase prakAsh ho gayA. vah nahIn. andar gayA isaliye kuchh dikhA, kuchh prakAsh ho gayA, ujAlA ho gayA, vah sab bhramaNA hai, vah nahIn. yah to chaitanya svayam gnAnasvarUp AtmA gnAyak hai, usamen sthir ho gayA, usakI svAnubhUti (huyI). vah chaitanyajyoti chaitanya prakAshasvarUp chaitanya hI hai. bAharakA prakAsh nahIn lenA.

.. prakAsh pragaT hotA hai, aisA gurudev nahIn kahate the. gnAnakA prakAsha. prakAsh pragaT hotA hai, aisA gurudev nahIn kahate the. vah to vedan, svAnubhUtikA vedan hai. AnandaguN pragaT hotA hai, prakAsh pragaT hotA hai aisA gurudev nahIn kahate hain.

mumukShu- 12vIn shakti hai na? svasamvedanamayI..

samAdhAna- svasamvenadamayI shakti. svasamvedan-svAnubhUtike vedanamay prakAsha. svasamvedan arthAt svAnubhUti, svayamkA vedan ho vah prakAsha. yah mAtra prakAsh bolate hain. akelA prakAsh nahIn. svasamvedanarUp prakAsh vah alag prakAsh hai. svayam svayamko prakAshatA hai. samvedanarUp prakAsha. apanI svAnubhUti hotI hai, svayam chaitanya hai aise hI ananta guN hain. vah sab chaitanyasvarUp hI hai. use jo svAnubhUti hotI hai, vah svAnubhUtikA prakAsh hai. ek prakAshaguN pragaT hotA hai, aisA nahIn hai.

svasamvedanamayI prakAsh-apane vedanakA prakAsh hai. dUsarA prakAsh nahIn, andar vedan hotA hai. andar AnandaguN Adi guN (hain). AtmA apUrva anupam hai, usakA jo vedan hotA hai, jo svasamvedan hotA hai, usakA prakAsh hai. svayam apaneko prakAshit karatA hai, svayam apanA vedan kar rahA hai. svayam apane prakAsharUp pariNamatA hai, svayam apaneko jAn rahA hai, dUsare prakArase kahen to. vah prakAsh yAnI bAharakA prakAsh nahIn. apane vedanakA prakAsh hai.

mumukShu- .. akele gnAyakakA avalamban leneke liye. ab jab usane avalamban liyA tab avalamban akele gnAyakakA liyA aur gnAnamen to use gnAyak aur pariNAm donon Aye na?

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samAdhAna- gnAyakakA avalamban liyA, phir? dRuShTi aur gnAn donon sAthamen hai. dRuShTi dravya par hai aur gnAn sab jAnatA hai. gnAn apane guNonko jAnatA hai, gnAn paryAyako jAnatA hai, gnAn vastuko jAnatA hai, gnAn sab jAnatA hai. gnAn us vakta chalA nahIn jAtA. gnAn to svayam pariNamatA hai. gnAn svaparaprakAshak hai. svAnubhUtike kAlamen svayam apane guNonko jAnatA hai, apanI paryAyonko jAnatA hai. svayam gnAyakako jAnatA hai, gnAyakake guNonko jAnatA hai, gnAyakakI paryAyako jAnatA hai, pariNAmako jAnatA hai, sab jAnatA hai.

dRuShTi ek dravya abhed hai (us par hai), phir bhI gnAn sab jAnatA hai. gnAn bhed, abhed sabako jAnatA hai. binA vikalpa kiye. rAgakA vikalpa jisamen nahIn hai, aisI nirvikalpa dashAmen sab jAnatA hai. gnAn shUnya nahIn ho gayA hai, gnAn jAgRut hai. svAnubhUti yAnI bAharakA sab chhUT gayA, vikalpa chhUT gaye isaliye shUnya ho gayA, aisA nahIn hai. gnAn svayamko jAnatA hai, apane svarUpako (jAnatA hai). avalamban bhale hI dravyakA- gnAyakA hai, parantu vedan-svAnubhUtimen AnandakA vedan hai. Anandako jAnatA bhI hai. vedan bhI hai aur jAnatA bhI hai.

mumukShu- anubhavake pahale jo shurUAt kI thI, us vakta to akele gnAyakakA jor thA.

samAdhAna- mujhe ek gnAyak hI chAhiye. gnAyakakI dRuShTi hai. gnAyak ek AtmA main jis svabhAvase hUn, us svabhAvako grahaN kar liyA. phir dRuShTi vahAn nahIn hai. bhed par dRuShTi nahIn hai. vichArase sab jAn liyA ki AtmAmen ananta guN aur ananta paryAy hai. dravya-guN-paryAyase vastu bharI hai. lekin Alamban ek vastukA hI liyA hai. kahIn or dRuShTi nahIn hai, kahIn or rAg nahIn hai, guNabhedamen rukatA nahIn. main jo hUn vah mujhe pragaT ho, bas! vah vikalpa bhI nahIn hai. kisIkA vikalpa nahIn hai. Alamban ekakA hone par bhI pragaT sab hotA hai. vastumen jo hai vah sab pragaT hotA hai. dRuShTikI Dor ek gnAyak par bAndh dI hai. phir gnAyakamen jo ho, vah sab use pragaT hotA hai. shraddhAke balase Age jAtA hai.

gnAyakakI laganI lage, ek gnAyakakI. dRuShTi-shraddhAkA bal us par hai. shubhabhAvamen jise bhagavAn par bhakti, guru par bhakti (hotI hai). dRuShTi us par hotI hai, isaliye ek guru par aur dev par jo dRuShTi gayI, phir vichAramen sab AtA hai. dRuShTikI Dor shubhabhAvamen bhagavAn, guru aur shAstra par gayI, phir bhI vichAr to sab Ate hain. yah to ek dRuShTAnt hai. .. phir vichAr chhUT gaye. donon jor gnAyakakI or hai. shraddhAkA bal aur gnAnakA bal gnAyakakI or hai, parantu gnAn sab jAnatA hai. shraddhAke sAth gnAn bhI balavAn hai. jo shruddhA huyI, us shraddhAkI gnAn puShTi karatA hai. gnAyak mukhya

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hai aisA gnAn bhI jAnatA hai. gnAyakako mukhya rakhakar gnAn sab jAnatA hai. gnAn vastuko jaisI hai vaisI jAnatA hai. abhed nishchay vastu svarUp kyA hai vah jAnatA hai, usake guN aur usakI paryAy, sabako jAnatA hai. jaise shraddhAkA bal dravya par hai, vaise gnAnakA bal bhI us or hai. nishchay aur vyavahAr jaisA hai vaisA gnAn jAnatA hai. jahAn jisakA bal ho, us prakArase gnAn sab jAnatA hai. gnAnakI DorI us or hai, shraddhA us or hai, lInatA bhI us or jAtI hai. dravyamen sthir honeke liye lInatA bhI vahAn jAtI hai.

mumukShu- gnAnamen sab gnAt honeke bAvajUd usakA viShay to chAlU hI rahatA hai. samAdhAna- jaisA hai vaisA jAnatA hai. dononko jAnatA hai. bal shraddhAkA hai, parantu gnAnakA bal bhI sAthamen hai. sab hai. shraddhA mukhya hai. gnAnamen bhI shraddhA, svayam shraddhA bhI shuddha. sab guN ek dravyake hI hain. lakShaNabhedase bhinna hain.