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usase puNya bandhatA hai. svayamne usane utanA rAg chhoDA, khAnA-pInA ... AtmAkA svabhAv, yahI AtmAkA svarUp hai. AtmA khAtA-pItA nahIn. usane tyAg kiyA, ThIk hai, shubhabhAvase puNya bandhatA hai. lekin ...

ek manuShyako kahIn jAnA ho to kis rAstese jAnA hai, us mArgako jAnanA chAhiye. yahAnse bhAvanagar jAnA ho to us rAste par mArgako jAnakar chale to vahAn pahunchatA hai. ulaTe rAste par chale, dUsare rAste par jAye to dUsare gAmv pahunchatA hai. mArga jAne. mArga jAne binA aisI hI dhUpamen tapta ho jAye to mArga hAth nahIn lagatA, mArgako jAnanA chAhiye. jAne to Age baDhe. use jAnanA to chAhiye ki main kahAn jAUn? AtmA kyA hai? kyA svarUp hai? kyA mokSha hai? sukh kahAn hai? dukh kyon hai? kis kAraNase hai? usake kAraN khoje. AtmAkA sukh kaise pragaT ho? vah jAne. jAnakar andar nirasatA A jAye. sansAramAn use ras nahIn hotA. andarase ras ekadam chhUT jAye aur udAsInatA A jAye. udAsInatA Aye parantu vah jAne ke is rAste par jAnese-AtmAko pahachAnanese (Age baDhA jAyegA). niras ho jAye, AtmAmen lIn ho jAye. AtmAko pahachAnakar andar lIn ho, to mArga milatA hai. mAtra bhAgatA rahe to vah shubhabhAv hai, puNyabandha hotA hai.

mumukShu- kisake dvArA yah sab prApta ho sakatA hai?

samAdhAna- jo jAnatA ho (unase). bhagavAnane jo mArga darshAyA, bhagavAnane kyA kahA hai use jAne aur AchArya kyA kahate hain, munione kyA kahA hai, guuru kyA kahate hain, unake dvArA mArga mile. parantu svayam taiyAr ho to mArga mile. guruke mArga par chale. satsangase samajhamen AtA hai. sAkShAt guru mile, sAkShAt AchArya, muni koI mile (to) unase mArga milatA hai. anAdikA anajAnA mArga samajhe binA svayam aise hI kare to aisA to usane anek bAr kiyA hai. tyAg kiyA, sab kiyA, lekin puNyabandha huA. usase dev huA, parantu bhavakA abhAv nahIn huA. puNya bAndhe to devakA bhav mile, achchhe bhAv rakhe to devakA bhav mile. yadi bhAv achchhe nahIn ho, mAtra AhAr chhoDakar bhAv yadi barAbar nahIn ho to puNyabandha nahIn hotA hai. parantu bhAv achchhe ho to puNyabandha

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hokar dev hotA hai. bhavakA abhAv nahIn hotA. dev to ananta bAr huA hai. aisA dev ananta bAr huA, pashu ananta bAr huA, manuShya ananta bAr huA, ananta bAr sab huA, parantu bhavakA abhAv nahIn huA. usI mArgamen shubhabhAvamen rahA, parantu usase mArga bhinna hai. AtmAko jAnA nahIn, isaliye andarase AtmA pragaT nahIn hotA. andarase nirasatA AnI chAhiye, andarase vairAgya AnA chAhiye. AtmAko pahachAnaneke liye prayatna kare to AtmA prApta hotA hai.

mumukShu- pratham bhUmikAmen kyA karanA chAhiye?

samAdhAna- kyA karanA? AtmAko (pahachAnanA). sab niras (hai), aisA AtmAmen nakkI karanA. AtmAkI or ruchi baDhAve, AtmAkI or ... kare, sachchA mArga kyA hai, to us mArga par jA sakatA hai. aur AtmAkI orakA prayatna kare, shraddhA kare, pratIt kare, usamen lInatA kare to svAnubhUti hotI hai.

samAdhAna- ... antar AtmAmen.. gurudevane jo kahA hai, jo mArga darshAyA hai, vahI mArga (hai). vAnchan karanA, shAstra-svAghyAy karanA. AtmA ananta guNonse bharapUre hai, use pahachAnanekA prayatna karanA. usake dravya-guN-paryAy bhinna, paravastu (ke bhinna). shAstra- svAdhyAy kare. paDhanemen jo AsAn lage vah paDhanA. bhAvanA, jignAsA rakhanI. andar vikalpa hote hain vah bhI apanA svabhAv nahIn hai, usase AtmA bhinna hai. AtmAkA bhedagnAn kaise ho, svabhAv aur vibhAv donon bhinna chIj hai, usakA bhedagnAn ho. bhedagnAn kaise ho, usake liye laganI lagAnI, jignAsA karanI.

AtmA sarvasva hai, bAharamen kahIn bhI sukh nahIn hai. sab nisAr vastu hai, sArabhUt koI nahIn hai. (paribhramaN karate-karate) manuShyabhav mushkilase milatA hai. aisA manuShyabhavamen aise gurudev mile, aisA mArga milA, ghUTan-manan karatA rahe. sab svayamko hI karanA rahatA hai. AtmAko lakShaNase pahachAnanA ki AtmA gnAn (svarUpI hai). gnAnako pahachAnanekA prayatna karanA. gnAyak mahimAvant hai. gnAyakamen sab bharA hai.

mumukShu- sankalpa-vikalpa Ate hain, use chhoDaneke liye kyA karanA?

samAdhAna- use chhoDaneke liye, yah merA svarUp nahIn hai, main to AtmA-shuddhAtmA hUn. jaise siddha bhagavAn hain, vaisA main hUn. .. svayam to AtmAko pahachAne tab hotA hai, tabatak vichArakarake (nakkI kare ki), yah merA svarUp nahIn hai, main usase bhinna hUn. bArambAr usakA vichAr kare. aur ashubhase bachane hetu shubhabhAvamen vichAr kare, achchhe vichAr kare. achchhe vichAr karanemen rukanA vah bhI shuddhAtmA prApta nahIn hot tabatak shubhabhAvamen rukanekA prayatna kare. meremen nahIn hai. vikalpase bhinna andar main shuddhAtmA hUn. pariNAmako shAstramen roke, dev-guru-shAstra shubhabhAvamen ruke. andar shuddhAtmA nirvikalpa vastu hai, usamen

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koI vikalpa nahIn hai, vikalpa binAkA AtmA-gnAyak hai. vikalpase (shUnya) AtmA hai. usamen Ananda bharA hai, usamen gnAn bharA hai. janma-maraN usase Talate hain, AtmAko pahachAne to Talate hain, bAkI nahIn Talate.

jIvane bAharakA sab anantakAlamen kiyA. bAharakI kriyA (karake) devamen jAye, parantu devamense (nikalakar bhI) janma-maraN to vaise hI rahate hain, bhavakA abhAv nahIn hotA. bhavakA abhAv to AtmAko pahachAne to hotA hai. AtmAko kaise pahachAnun, usake liye usakI laganI, jignAsA ho to hotA hai.

mumukShu- nidrAse jAgane par bhakti Adi to yAd A jAtI hai, vah shurU ho jAtI hai, parantu AtmA sambandhit vichAr, AtmA kaisA hai, usake vichAr nahIn Ate hain, to kyA karanA?

samAdhAna- .. lage to hotA hai. ashubhase bachaneko shubhabhAv Aye, bhakti Aye, sab Aye. andar AtmAkI laganI lage aur AtmAkI mahimA lage to hotA hai. to AtmAke vichAr Ate hain. AtmAkI mahimA laganI chAhiye. AtmAko pahachAne nahIn tabatak bhaktike vichAr Aye, bhaktikI bhAvanA Aye, shubhabhAv Aye, parantu AtmA bhI mahimAvant hai, aise AtmAkI mahimA Aye to us orake (vichAr chale). AtmAkI mahimA AnI chAhiye. AtmA bhI ek dev, gnAyakadev hai. jaise siddha bhagavAn hain, vaisA AtmA hai.

... samajhamen nahIn AtA. to kShapaN shreNi lagAkar Age (jAte hain). AtA hai na? kShapak shreNi yAnI AtmA aisI shreNI chaDhatA hai. pratham to samyagdarshan ho tab svAnubhUti hotI hai. bAharamen vikalpa Ate the, phir bhI andarase unakA AtmA nyArA hI rahe, AtmA bhinna hI rahe, nirantar aisI dashA unakI ho jAtI hai. gnAyak-gnAyak aisI gnAtAdhArA ho jAtI hai. andar svAnubhUti hotI hai. kabhI lIn ho jAte hain. isIprakAr vah gRuhasthAshramamen hI Age baDhate-baDhate aisI bhAvanA ho jAtI hai ki yah sab chhoDakar main muni kaise ban jAUn. jab muni ho jAte hain, tab andar AtmAmen bAr-bAr lIn ho jAte hain. yathArtha munipanA. bAharase chhoD de, abhI chhoD dete hain aise nahIn, andar yathArtha bhAvase ho jAye. gRuhasthAshramamen rah nahIn sake, aisI usakI dashA ho jAtI hai. phir andar munipanA lekar AtmAmen (lIn ho jAte hain). kShaN-kShaNamen AtmAmen lIn hote hain.

bhagavAnake darshan kare, dev-guru-shAstrake vichAr kare, bAkI sab to unhen chhUT gayA hai. vah karate hain, phir bhI andaramen kShaN-kShaNamen antarmuhUrtamen AtmAmen chale jAte hain. kShaN- kShaNamen svAnubhUtimen lIn hote hain. chalate-phirate kaI bAr kShaN-kShaNamen lIn ho jAte hain. soye ho to kShaN-kShaNamen antaramen chale jAte hain. aisI unakI dashA ho jAtI hai. AtmAkI

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svAnubhUti karate-karate aise lIn ho jAte hain ki AtmAkI lInatAmen aisI unakI shreNI ho jAtI hai, jise kShapaN shreNi kahate hain, aise lIn ho jAte hain. karma apaneAp hI kShay hone lagate hain. isaliye kShapak shreNi (kahate hain). karma isaprakAr kShay hote hain ki phirase uday hI nahIn AtA. karma isaprakAr kShay hote hain aur andarase shreNi aisI chaDhate hain ki vApas hI nahIn Ate. svAnubhUtimen aise lIn ho jAte hain ki vApas nahIn Ate aur lInatAmen hI svAnubhUtimen lIn hokar kevalagnAn prApta karate hain. arthAt pUrNa ho jAte hain. vItarAgadashA. kShapak shreNImen aise chaDh jAte hain ki usake phalamen kevalagnAn prApta ho jAtA hai aur AtmAmen lIn ho jAte hain.

kevalagnAn arthAt samasta lokAlokako jAne aur AtmAko jAne, sabako jAne aisA gnAn prApta hotA hai aur andar apanI svAnubhUtimen lIn rahe. bAhar nahIn Ate. unhen jAnanekI ichchhA bhI nahIn hotI, sahaj jAnanemen A jAye, aisA AtmAkA svabhAv hai. AtmAkA apUrva Ananda prApta hotA hai, AtmAkA gnAn prApta hotA hai, pUrNa gnAn prApta hotA hai. AtmagnAn to gRuhasthAshramamen prApta huA hai, parantu kevalagnAn ho jAtA hai. aisI kShapak shreNI (hai). aisI shreNI chaDhate hain ki phir bAhar hI nahIn Ate. lIn ho gaye to ho gaye. aisA kevalagnAn prApta ho jAtA hai. AtmAke Anandamen... AtA hai na? "sAdi ananta ananta samAdhisukhamAn', bas! samAdhi sukhamen ananta kAl tak (rahate hain).

mumukShu- tabhI vItarAgatA pUrNa..

samAdhAna- hAn, kShapak shreNI chaDhaneke bAd vItarAg (hote hain). "kShapaN shreNI karIne ArUDhatA...' AtA hai.

mumukShu- dravya-guN-paryAyakA svarUp kaisA hai?

samAdhAna- dravya-AtmA ek vastu hai. jaise yah pudagal vastu hai, vaise AtmA ek vastu hai. usakA mukhya guN hai ki sabako jAne. sabako jAne yAnI usakA jAnanekA svabhAv hai. vah gneyako jAnanevAlA hI hai. yah jaD vastu kuchh nahIn jAnatI, vaise AtmA sabako jAne aisA usakA svabhAv hai. jAnanevAlI ek vastu hai. vah usakA guN hai. usamen ananta guN hain. jaisA gnAn hai, vaisA AnandaguN hai, vaise ananta guN hain. astitva, vastutva Adi (sAmAnya guN hai). gnAn jAnanekA kArya kare, Ananda AnandakA kArya kare, shAnti shAntikA kArya kare, aise kArya kare use paryAy kahate hain.

samAdhAna- ... samyagdarshan AtmAkA guN hai aur vah AtmAmen hai. bAharase nau tattvakI shraddhA karanI aisA AtA hai. jainadarshan-sthAnakavAsI, derAvAsI sabamen AtA hai. nau tattvakI shraddhA kare use samyagdarshan, aisA AtA hai. shAstra paDhe yAnI gnAn (ho gayA).

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tyAgI ho jAye, sAdhu ho jAye yAnI chAritra (huA, aisA) mAne. bhAv kadAchit ThIk rakhe to vah chAritra vAstavik chAritra nahIn hai. AtmA svayam hai, us AtmAkI pratIt karanI, yathArtha shraddhA karanI ki main AtmA hUn aur sharIr nahIn hUn. aur yah vikalpa hote hain vah merA svarUp nahIn hai. siddha bhagavAn jaisA merA svarUp hai. aisI svayamkI pariNati pragaT ho, aise andarase bAr-bAr aisA hI lage ki main in sabase bhinna hUn. bhinna hUn-bhinna hUn aisA karate (pariNati) ho, Ananda pragaT hotA hai. siddha bhagavAn to pUrNa ho gaye. ... to use samyagdarshan kahate haiain. vahI muktikA mArga hai.

use andarase sab chhUT jAtA hai. is sansArakA svarUp... use andarase aisA (lage) ki yah kuchh bhI merA svarUp nahIn hai. merA svarUp bhinna hai, aisA antarase (ho). anAdikA abhyAs hai, rAg-dveShamen paDA hai, ekatvabuddhi hai. bArambAr usake liye prayatna kare to hotA hai. nahIn to vah nahIn hotA. main bhinna gnAyak hUn, yah merA svarUp nahIn hai, aise bhedagnAn kare to hotA hai. bArambAr main bhinna hUn, bhinna hUn. AtmAko pahachAnakar honA chAhiye ki yah jAnanevAlA hai vahI main hUn, yah sharIr kuchh nahIn jAnatA, aise honA chAhiye. bahut shAstronko jAn liyA, aise nahIn. AtmAko jAne to use samyaggnAn kahate hain. AtmAko jAne, usake sAth bhale hI nau tattva Adi jAne, parantu mukhyarUpase AtmAko jAnanA chAhiye. nau tattvako jAne, shAstrakI shraddhA hotI hai, jinendra dev jo vItarAg hote hain vah dev hain, jo guru AtmAkI sAdhanA karate hon, ve guru. isaprakAr sachche dev- guru-shAstra (ko jAne). shAstra, jisamen AtmAkI bAten AtI ho, vah shAstra hai. lekin andar AtmAkI shraddhA sAthamen honI chAhiye, to vah samyak hai. mAtra bAharakA ho to vah sthUl shraddhA hai. use vyavahAr kahate hain.

bhale vah nahIn ho tabatak sachche dev-guru-shAstrakI (shraddhA kare, lekin mAtra usase) mokSha nahIn hotA, mokShA to AtmAko pahachAne to hI hotA hai. usakA nAm samyagdarshan hai. AtmAko jAne vah gnAn, AtmAmen lInatA kare, bAharase chhUTakar AtmAkA jo svabhAv hai, usamen svayam lIn ho to vah chAritra hai. bAharase vrat dhAraN kiye, sab kiyA parantu andar svayam AtmAmen lIn nahIn ho to vah chAritra sirpha bAharakA hai. bahut log chAritra lete hain, bhAvamen kuchh nahIn hotA. aisA chAritra nahIn.

sachchA chAritra to aisA AtA hai ki AtmAmen bArambAr lIn hotA hai aur bAhar Aye to use shubhabhAv hote hain. dev-guru-shAstra, nau tattva Adi, shAstra ke vichAr Ate hain. vah to shubhabhAv hai, lekin andar AtmAmen bArambAr lIn ho to vah chAritra hai. usake sAth bhale use tyAg ho, munidashA ho, sab hotA hai, parantu AtmAkA (Ashray) ho to vah chAritra kahalAtA hai. AtmAko samajhe binA bAharase chAritra le, vah vAstavik

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chAritra nahIn hai, usase mokSha nahIn hotA. mokSha to AtmAmen lIn ho, aisA chAritra pragaT ho to hI mokSha hotA hai, nahIn to use mokSha nahIn hotA.

mumukShu- jIv ekabAr mokShamen jAneke bAd vApas nIche nahIn AtA hai na?

samAdhAna- mokShamen jAneke bAd vApas nahIn AtA. andar svayam AtmA mokShasvarUp hI hai. usamen svayam lInatA kare to mokShakI paryAy yahIn pragaT hotI hai. phir to vah ek kShetramen jAtA hai. yahAn jIv thA, vah siddhakShetramen gayA. vahAn jAneke bAd vApas nahIn AtA. use bhav nahIn hote. janma-maraNakA nAsh ho jAtA hai. phir janma nahIn hotA. lekin andar vaisI taiyArI svayam yahIn kar letA hai. AtmAmen aisA lIn ho jAtA hai ki bAhar hI nahIn AtA.

mumukShu- ..jitane karma bandhe hain, vah sab naShTa ho jAte hain?

samAdhAna- hAn. AtmAko pahachAne to kroDo vaShAke sabhI karma kShay ho jAte hain.

mumukShu- aisA kahate hain na ki chaurAsI lAkhake chakkar kATane paDe. vah sab..

samAdhAna- sabakA nAsh ho jAtA hai. ek AtmAko pahachAne, AtmAkI shraddhA kare, AtmAmen lIn ho to sab TUT jAtA hai. use toDane nahIn jAnA paDatA. bAharase upavAs kare, tyAg kare, sab kare to karmakA nAsh ho, aisA nahIn hai.

mumukShu- ... sabako aisI bhAvanA hotI hai ki varShItap kare, karmanAshake hetu, vah jUThI mAnyatA hai?

samAdhAna- vaise karmakA nAsh nahIn hotA. karma to andar AtmAmen AtmA pragaT ho to karmakA nAsh hotA hai. vah mAnyatA hai vah samajh binAkI mAnyatA hai. agnAnI jo karma lAkh-kroD bhavamen nAsh kare, vah gnAnI ek sAnsamen kShay karatA hai. AtmAkA gnAn honese ek sAns le utanI deramen usake karma kShay ho jAte hain aur lAkh-kroD bhav paryant agnAnI jo karmakA nAsh nahIn kar sakatA, vah gnAnI ek kShaNamAtramen kShay karatA hai. AtmAko samajhe binA karmakA nAsh nahIn hotA. AtmAkA gnAn jise hotA hai, use tyAgAdi sab hotA hai. lekin karmakA nAsh to gnAnasahit ho to hotA hai. agnAnIko karmakA nAsh hotA hai aur phir naye bAndhatA hai. vAstavik rUpase to chhUTate hI nahIn. tyAg kare, sAthamen naye-naye sAthamen bAndhatA hai aur mAne ki isase mujhe dharma hotA hai. sAthamen jUThI mAnyatA hai, isaliye naye karma bAndhatA hai.

(gnAnIko) karma kShay isaprakAr hote hain ki jo kShay honeke bAd nayA bandha nahIn hotA. isaprakAr gnAnIko kShay hotA hai. naye bandhate hI nahIn. makkhanamense ghI hotA hai, phir ghImense puna makkhan nahIn hotA. vaise jo andarase vItarAg ho gayA, svAnubhUtimen lIn ho gayA, kevalagnAn ho gayA, usakA phirase makkhan nahIn hotA.

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mumukShu- bIjagnAn yAnI kyA? vah kevalako bIj gnAnI kahe...

samAdhAna- kevalako bIjagnAnI yAnI samyagdarshanako bIjagnAn kahate hain. bIjagnAn pragaT hotA hai isaliye kevalagnAn hotA hai. AtA hai, vah kevalako bIjagnAnI (kahe). ... sachchA mArga mile na, guru binA mArga kaun batAye? binA guru apane hI Ap samajh kare, binA samajhake, to jUThA mArga grahaN karatA hai. sachche pratyakSha guru mile ve mArga batAye to vah satya mArga par chale. guru binA use mArga kaun batAye? guru binA hotA nahIn.

mumukShu- ...

samAdhAna- vah guru to kuchh nahIn samajhate, mAtra veSh dhAraN kiyA hotA hai. kuchh samajhate nahIn.

mumukShu- sachche guruko kise kahate hain?

samAdhAna- sachche guru, jise samyagdarshan huA ho, jise AtmAkI svAnubhUti huI ho aur jo andarase yathArtha... jaise gurudev yahAn virAjate the, unhen samyagdarshan svAnubhUtipUrvak (huA thA). unakA gnAn, unakA gnAn bhI koI alag thA. vaisA gnAn ho, jisakI apUrva vANI ho, jo vANIparase pahachAne jAye ki ye sachche guru hai, AtmAkI hI bAt karate ho. lekin AtmAkI bAten bhI mAtra bolane jitanI nahIn, antarase bAten karate ho. AtmasparshI jinakI vANI ho, use guuru kahate hain. unhen dekhakar, unakI vANI sunakar aisA lage ki ye to AtmAkI koI gaharI bAten karate hain. ye to AtmAmen basate ho aisA lagatA hai. aisA laganA chAhiye, to guru kahate hain. mAtra bAharakI bAten karate ho, AtmAkI koI bAt nahIn ho, use guru kaise kahen? gurudevako Apane dekhA nahIn hai. dekhA hai?

mumukShu- dekhA hai. hamAre ghar padhAre the. samAdhAna- unakI vANI sunI hai. mumukShu- ghATakopar sarvoday hospiTalamen Aye the, tab sunA hai. samAdhAna- unakI vANI koI alag thI. logonko aisA lage ki kuchh alag hI kahate hain. AtmasparshI vANI ho.prashamamUrti bhagavatI mAtano jay ho!