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mumukShu- vardhamAnasvAmikA nirvAN mahotsav hai, to is sandarbhamen prashna utpanna hotA hai ki mahAvIr svAmI dasaven bhavamen sinh avasthAmen the, tab mAnsAhAr karate hain, isaliye bhUmikA to ashubh thI. us vakta munionne nIche Utarakar upadesh diyA ki yah terA samyakatvakA samay hai to pragaT kara. to usamen koI kAlalabdhikA kAraN hai yA puruShArthakA kAraN hai? yA us vaktakI aisI hI yogyatA thI?

samAdhAna- samyagdarshanakA kAl hai isaliye puruShArthake sAth kAlalabdhi hai. puruShArthake binA vah hotA nahIn. puruShArtha karatA hai isIliye kAlalabdhikA sambandha hotA hai. peTamen kuchh bhI paDA ho, usake sAth sambandha nahIn hai. bAdamen to usake pariNAm palaT gaye the. pahale use hinsak pariNAm the, vah pariNAm to palaT gaye hain. isaliye peTake sAth koI sambandha nahIn hai.

bAkI usakI kAlalabdhi yAnI kAlalabdhikA puruShArthake sAth sambandha hai. vah svayam puruShArtha karatA hai. jo puruShArtha karatA hai use to aisA hI hotA hai ki main kaise mere AtmAmen jAUn? are..! yah kyA ho rahA hai? are..! main to AtmA hUn. main to jAnanevAlA gnAyak hUn. aur munionne kahA ki Ap to tIrthankar honevAle ho. to ekadam asar ho gayI. are..! ye main kyA kar rahA hUn? usake svayamke pariNAm palaT jAte hain aur svayam to puruShArtha karatA hai. kAlalabdhike sAth puruShArthakA sambandha hai, lekin puruShArtha karanevAleko to aisA hI hai ki main puruShArtha karun. yah kyA kiyA? ab main mere AtmAmen jAUn. yah mujhe yogya nahIn hai. are..! yah to hinsak pariNAm hai, yah to krUr hai. main to AtmA hUn. yah sharIr bhinna, AtmA bhinna. muni upadesh dete hain to usake bhAv ekadam palaT jAte hain. vah to puruShArthase hotA hai.

kAlalabdhi use nahIn kar detI. svayam puruShArtha karatA hai. main jAnanevAlA gnAyak hUn, yah sharIr bhinna, main bhinna. yah sab krUr pariNAm Ate hain, vah merA svarUp nahIn hai, main usase bhinna hUn. yah main chaitanyatattva andar AtmA hUn. yah sab kyA? aise svayam palaTatA hai. andarase bhedagnAn hotA hai. yah sab bhinna hai, main to AtmA hUn. aisA karake AtmAkI or muDatA hai aur palaT jAtA hai. pUrI pariNati palaT jAtI hai. Ankhamense AnsU Ate

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hain, are..! ye kyA? aisA karake svayam palaT jAtA hai andar, usI kShaN palaT jAtA hai. ekadam puruShArtha shurU hotA hai.

mumukShu- upadeshake vakta usakI bhUmikA shuddha ho jAtI hai?

samAdhAna- usakI bhUmikA shuddha.. upadeshakA nimitta aur svayamkI taiyArI, dononkA mel ho jAtA hai. bhUmikA shuddha hotI hai, use antaramense puruShArtha shurU hotA hai, bhedagnAn hotA hai. munirAj upadesh dete hain to palaT jAtA hai, sab palaT jAtA hai. ek antarmuhUrtamen jIv palaT jAtA hai. upadesh use nimitta banatA hai. svayamkA puruShArtha andarase shurU hotA hai. puruShArtha karanemen aisA hotA hai ki main yah gnAyak hUn. is prakAr svayam hI puruShArthase, puruShArthake balase svayam hI palaTatA hai. kAlalabdhike jorase palaTatA nahIn, svayam puruShArthase palaTatA hai.

mumukShu- pUrva sanskAr bhI koI...?

samAdhAna- vartamAn puruShArtha kare tab pUrva sanskAr (kahA jAtA hai). aise hI pUrva sanskAr jor karake nahIn karatA. svayam puruShArtha karatA hai. pratyekako pUrva sanskAr nahIn hote. kisIko hote hain aur kisIko nahIn hote hain. nigodamense nikalatA hai, vahAn pUrva sanskAr kahAn hote hain? to bhI vah palaT jAtA hai. nigodake jIvamense nikalakar usamen .. hote hain. usake bAd bharat chakravartIke putra hote hain. ekadam palaT jAte hain. ekadam munidashA angIkAr karate hain.

mumukShu- sabamen puruShArtha?

samAdhAna- sabamen puruShArtha. usamen kAlalabdhi sAthamen hotI hai. puruShArtha karanevAleko aisA hI hotA hai ki main puruShArtha karun. merI bhUlase main rakhaDA hUn aur mere puruShArthase main palaTatA hUn. mainne bhUl kI. mujhe kisIne bhUl karavAyI yA mujhe karmane bhUl karavAyI aur ab kAl, yog achchhA AyA to ab mujhe karmane chhuDAyA, aisA mAnanevAlA, aisI parAdhInatA mAnanevAlA kabhI puruShArtha nahIn kar sakatA. aur karmake kAraN main rakhaDA. mujhe karmane yah bhUl karavAyI, ab merI kAlalabdhi pakI isaliye ab main palaTatA hUn. aisI bhAvanA rakhanevAlA Age nahIn baDh sakatA. vah to parAdhIn ho gayA.

main svayam svatantra hUn. main merI or muDanemen svatantra aur vibhAvakI or jAnemen bhI main svatantra (hUn). pratyekamen main svatantra hUn. svatantra hai. use karma balAt nahIn karavAte. kAlalabdhi pake to svayam puruShArtha kare, aisA nahIn hotA. usake sAth usakA sambandha hotA hai. kAlalabdhi hotI hai aur puruShArthakA sambandha hotA hai. puruShArtha karatA hai, usakI kAlalbadhi paripakva hI hotI hai. kShayopasham, kaShAyakI mandatA un sabakA sambandha hotA hai. puruShArtha, kAlalabdhi....

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mumukShu- abhI do dinase ek prashna chal rahA hai-bhedagnAnake abhyAsakA. usamen ek prashna hotA hai ki tattvagnAnakI dRuDhatA honeke bAd yah kAryakArI ho yA tattvagnAnakI dRuDhatA pahale ho, usake bAd is prakArakA abhyAs karanA hotA hai?

samAdhAna- tattvagnAkI dRuDhatA pahale hotI hai. binA dRuDhatAke bhedagnAnakA bal nahIn AtA. tattvagnAnakI dRuDhatA, chaitanya orakI mahimA, vibhAvase virakti sab sAtamen ho to hI use bhedagnAnakA bal Ave. andar main chaitanya gnAyak bhinna hUn, usamen use sukh lage. apane andar dRuDhatA AnI chAhiye. yahI merA svabhAv hai aur yah sab nisAr hai, sArabhUt AtmA hai. yah sab AkulatAyukta hai. usase virakti. bhale usakI pAtratA anusAr ho. yathArtha pariNatirUp bAdamen hotA hai. parantu usakI shraddhA ho to hI bhedagnAnakA abhyAs kar sakatA hai. shraddhAke binA nahIn hotA.

bhedagnAnake abhyAsamen use bal AtA hai ki main bhinna hI hUn. us abhyAsamen vah svarUpakI or sthir honekA prayatna karatA hai, isaliye usamen dhyAn samAviShTa ho jAtA hai. samajhe binA dhyAn kare to tarangarUp hotA hai. balAt vikalpako dabAne jAy, (to nahIn hotA). main bhinna, is prakAr use svabhAv bhinna, vibhAvase main bhinna, aisA abhyAs kare to svarUpamen sthir ho. svamen ekAgratA ho, svayammen sthir ho, vahI usakA dhyAn hai.

mumukShu- pAyA to tattvagnAnakA hI chAhiye.

samAdhAna- tattvagnAnakA, pAyA to vahI hotA hai. tattvagnAnakI shraddhA, usake sAth- tattvagnAnake sAth yah sab hai. yathArtha tattvArtha shraddhAna.

mumukShu- nahIn to nishchay-vyavahArakI sandhi bhI TikanI chAhiye...

samAdhAna- yathArtha shraddhAn honA chAhiye. samajhanapUrvak nishchay-vyavahArakI sandhi honI chAhiye. main dravya shakti apekShAse shuddha hUn, main shaktimen mukta svarUp hI hUn. merA svabhAv mukta hai. yah bandhA hUn, Adi sab karmake sanyogase hai. svabhAvase mukta hUn, lekin paryAyamen yah bandhan hai. nishchay-vyavahArakI sandhi hotI hai. sandhike binA, samajh binA main bhinna gnAyak hUn, kaise Aye? AtmA gnAyak aur yah sab mujhase bhinna hai. parantu yah vibhAv jo hotA hai, vah mere puruShArthakI mandatAse hotA hai. vah sab use gnAnamen hai. svabhAvase shuddha hUn, paryAyamen ashuddhatA hai. sabakA gnAn use sAth hotA hai aur aisI shraddhA bhI sAthamen hotI hai. shraddhA evan gnAn donon sAth hote hain.

shuddhAtmapravRutti lakShaNa. shuddhAtma tattvamen pravRutti kare yathArthapane. svabhAvase main shuddhAtmA hUn aur paryAyamen ashuddhatA hai. paryAy bhI shuddhatAko prApta hotI hai. svayam svabhAvako pahachAne aur shraddhA-gnAn yathArtha karake usamen lInatA kare, usamen sthiratA kare to pragaT shuddhatA hotI hai. svabhAvase mukta lekin paryAyamen mukti nahIn hai. paryAyamen bhI mukta hotA hai.

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shramaNo, jino, tIrthankaron Adi shuddhAtmatattva pravRutti.. shuddhAtmAmen pravRutti. sab isI mArgase mokSha padhAre. dUsarA koI mokShakA mArga nahIn hai, aisA AtA hai.

shuddhAtmapravRutti lakShaN aisA AyA. aur bhedagnAn kahAntak avichchhinna dhArAse bhAnA? ki jabatak gnAn gnAnamen sthir na ho jAya. gnAn jabatak sthir na ho tabatak bhedagnAn bhAnA. .. samyakatva ho to bhI, donon apekShA hai. samyagdarshan na ho tabatak bhAnA aur samyagdarshan ho jAy to bhI avichchhinna dhArAse aise hI bhedagnAn kevalagnAn paryant bhAnA. svarUpamen sthir ho jAy isaliye vikalpa chhUT jAneke bAd bhedagnAnakA kuchh nahIn rahatA, nirvikalpa dashAmen. ugra hote-hote kevalagnAnako prApta karatA hai.

mumukShu- kal to bahut AsAn bAt lagatI thI. kal to aisA lagatA thA ki AtmA khAtA nahIn, chale to lage, AtmA chalatA nahIn.

samAdhAna- khAtA nahIn hai, lekin vah svabhAvase. rAg AtA hai vah kisako AtA hai? yah to samajhanA chAhiye na. usake sAth samajhanA (chAhiye). sharIr bhinna, yah bhinna, sab bhinna, peT bhinna, sab bhinna. parantu andar jo rAg hotA hai, us rAgamen svayam juDatA hai. rAg merA svarUp nahIn hai, aise bhinna paDatA hai. parantu sAthamen khyAl hai ki mere puruShArthakI mandatAse (hotA hai). main vItarAg nahIn ho gayA hUn. aisA to samajhatA hai.

main usase bhinna hUn, jAnanevAlA hUn, parantu yah puruShArthakI mandatAse rAg kisako hotA hai? usakA barAbar khyAl hai. isIliye bhedagnAnakA abhyAs karatA hai, nahIn to kare kyon? bhedagnAnakA abhyAs nahIn karanA thA, vah to bhinna hI hai. phir abhyAs karanekA kAraN kyA? bhrAntimen paDA hai, ekatvabuddhi hai, isaliye puruShArtha karatA hai. bhinna hI ho to puruShArtha, bhedagnAn karanekA koI kAraN nahIn rahatA. bhinna paDanekA kAraN yah hai ki ekatvabuddhi ho rahI hai.

mumukShu- sabhI pahalUonse khyAl karanA chAhiye.

samAdhAna- andar shuddhAtmAmen... jis svarUp hUn, us rUp ho jAun. rAg hai, us rAgase bhinna hUn. bhinna honepar bhI rAg hotA hai. usase svabhAvase bhinna hai. isaliye use khyAlamen hai. usase bhinna paDakar, ugratA karate-karate vItarAg dashAkI or jAtA hai. svabhAvase bhinna hUn. bhedagnAnakA abhyAs (karatA hai), lekin usamen asthiratA hai usakA use khyAl hai.

puruShArtha kyon chalatA hai? ekatvabuddhiko toDaneke liye hai. nahIn to svabhAvase to mukta hI hai, to phir kuchh karanA bAkI nahIn rahatA. svAnubhUtikI dashA pragaT karanI, AtmAkA Ananda pragaT karanA, main svabhAvarUp pariNamit ho jAUn, aisI bhAvanA rahanekA

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kAraN kyA? svabhAvase to shuddha hI hai, parantu paryAyamen ashuddhatA hai isaliye use puruShArtha chalatA hai. andar sab khyAl hai. yathArtha tattvArtha shraddhAn karake bhedagnAnakA abhyAs karanA hai. tattvArtha shraddhAn kiye binA main bhinna-bhinna hUn, karatA rahe to shuShkatAkI bAt nahIn chalatI. sab ho jAy, phir kahe, main bhinna hUn. aise bolanekI bAt nahIn hai. rAgamen ekatvabuddhi ho aur phir kahe, main bhinna hUn. andarase yathArtha bhAvarUp use ho ki main bhinna hUn, virakta hokar bhinna paDatA hai, bhinnatA karake.

... sinhake bhavamen samyagdarshan prApta kiyA. phir Age-Age dashA prApta (hotI hai). munidashA aur bAdamen kevalagnAn paryant pahunch gaye hain. usake bAd sab sAdhanAke hI bhav hai. samyagdarshan honeke bAd Unche-Unche (bhav hI hai). munidashA angIkAr karate hain, phir devakA bhAv, usake bAd sAdhanAke Unche-Unche bhav karake kevalagnAnakI prApti karate hain. usake pahale kitanI hI bhav hue hain, lekin sinhake bhavake bAd ArAdhanAke bhAv hue hain. gurudevane is panchamakAlamen, samyagdarshan kise kahate hain, Adi sab batAyA. ... nav tattvakI shraddhA vah samyagdarshan, aisA mAnate the. svAnubhUti samyagdarshan kaun samajhatA thA? gurudevane samyagdarshan kise kahate hain? munidashA kise kahate hain? kevalagnAn kise kahate hain? sab gurudevane batAyA hai.

mumukShu- mAtAjI! munikI bhAShA sinh kaise samajh gayA?

samAdhAna- samajh gayA. muni kis prakArake kaise bhAvase bol rahe hain, vah samajh gaye. AtmA hai na sinha. aur us prakArakA kShayopashamagnAn andarase pragaT ho gayA. munikI bhAShA aur unake bhAv parase grahaN kar liyA. aisI grahaN karanekI shakti unamen A gayI. tIrthankarakA jIv hai. unamen aisA grahaN karanekI shakti (pragaT ho gayI). bhale sinh the to bhI unhen grahaN karanekI shakti koI alag thI.

mumukShu- gurudev yAd Ate hain ki tIrthankarakA jIv the.

samAdhAna- gurudev tIrthankarake jIv the. tIrthankarakA jIv yAnI svayam... gurudevane is panchamakAlamen padhArakar... sthAnakavAsImen the, svayamne kyA satya hai, yah sab nakkI karake parivartan kiyA.

mumukShu- jaise tIrthankar svayambodhit hote hain, vaise gurudev svayambodhit the.

samAdhAna- hAn, vaise svayambodhit the. svayamne apaneAp sab nakkI kiyA.

mumukShu- paNDit aisA kahate the, unake koI guru nahIn hai aur aisA gnAn kahAnse AyA? aisA ek paNDit kalakattAmen kahate the.

samAdhAna- svayambuddha hai, tIrthankarakA jIv hai. svayam mArga chalAnevAle hain.

mumukShu- mArga pravartak hain.

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samAdhAna- mArga pravartak hain. mArga svayam grahaN karake, mArga pragaT karake dUsaronko pragaT karanemen nimitta banate hain, mahA prabal nimitta banate hain. unake jaisA koI mArga pravartan nahIn kar sakatA. sabakA parivartan (ho gayA). pUre sampradAyamen sabakI dRuShTi hI alaga. unakI vANIse sabakI dRuShTi alag kar dI. tIrthankarake jIvake sivA aisA koI nahIn kar sakatA. kitanonke sampradAyake bandhan TUT gaye. sabakI shraddhA bhinna thI, vah TUT gayI. kitane hI anyamatamen sabamen kitane pheraphAr ho gayA. sthAnakavAsI, shvetAmbar, digambar, isake sivA dUsare, koI vhorA, koI anya kitanonkA parivartan ho gayA.

mumukShu- anajAn AdamI nat mastak ho jAte the.

samAdhAna- anajAne. ye koI mahApuruSh hai. bole tab to ekadam alag hI lage ki ye to koI alag hai. vANI barasA gaye.

mumukShu- AtmAkA svarUp sat chid aur Ananda hai. usamen chidakA kuchh AbhAs vichAr karanepar... jaise yah gnAn hai vah jAnatA hai, to kuchh AbhAs vichAr karanepar AtA hai. lekin AnandakA aur chidakA trikAlI nitya dravya hai, usakA kisI bhI prakArase AbhAs nahIn ho rahA hai.

samAdhAna- vichAr kare to sab samajhamen Aye aisA hai. vah gnAnasvarUp hai. lekin vah gnAn kyA? gnAn guN hai, vah koI vastukA guN hai. avastu nahIn hai. koI sat vastu hai, AtmA padArtha hai, usakA vah guN hai. gnAn hai vah pUrA gnAyak hai. vichAr kare to samajhamen Aye. sukh-sukhakI ichchhA jIv karatA hai. isaliye sukh koI padArthamen- svayammen hai. Ananda guN svayamkA hai. isaliye sukh-sukh karatA huA bAharase sukh ichchhatA hai. sukh bAharase nahIn AtA hai. apanA svabhAv hai. vichAr kare to vah sab samajhamen Aye aisA hai, parantu vichAr nahIn karatA hai. isaliye samajhanA mushkil paDatA hai.

sat svarUp svayam anAdiananta jo vastu hai, us vastukA yah guN hai. vah guN koI padArthakA hai. guN Upar-Upar nahIn hai. gnAnaguN hai vah vastukA hai, satakA hai. vah asat nahIn hai. vastukA guN hai. aise vichAr kare to samajhamen Aye aisA hai. main gnAyak hUn, merA svabhAv jAnanA hai. usamen Ananda bharA hai, ananta guN bhare hain. gnAn aur Anandase samRuddha paripUrNa AtmAkA svabhAv hai. usamen thoDI bhI kamI nahIn hai. lekin svayam samajhatA nahIn hai, isaliye Ananda guN use mAlUm nahIn paDatA hai.

gnAnaguN yadi yathArtha samajhe to sab samajamen Aye. gnAnaguNako bhI vah Upar-Uparase samajhatA hai. gnAnako yathArthapane yadi samajhe, gnAn asAdhAraN guN hai isaliye use khyAlamen AtA hai. lekin yathArthapane gnAnako pahachAne to vastuko pahachAne, Anandako pahachAne, sabako pahachAn sakatA hai. jIvane ananta kAlase apanemen apUrva samyagdarshanako prApta nahIn

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kiyA hai. gurudevane batAyA hai ki yah samyagdarshanakA svarUp hai. samyagdarshan prApta ho to usamen yah sab use pratItamen AtA hai. svayam pahachAnatA nahIn hai, apanI kachAsake kAraN nahIn pahachAnatA hai.