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mumukShu- mAtAjI! hamen to aisA lagatA hai ki gnAn, shraddhA aur chAritra un tInonkA svarUp barAbar pakaDamen nahIn AtA, us hisAbase AtmA gnAyakakI dRuShTi karanemen vikShep AtA hai. gnAn aisA kahatA hai ki, dravya, guN evan paryAy tInon tU hai. dRuShTi aisA kahatI hai, gnAyakamAtra tU hai.

samAdhAna- dRuShTi use dUr karatI hai, parantu vah apekShAse hai. dRuShTi dUr kare aur gnAn rahe. ek vastuko anek pahalUse dekhI jAtI hai. vastu chaitanya hai (usamen) anekAnta dharma hain, anekAntamay mUrti anek svarUp (hai). ananta dhamAse shobhAyamAn aisI chaitanyamUrti hai. use ek apekShAse ek (dharma) dvArA nahIn dekhI jAtI, use chAron orase dekhanemen AtA hai.

vastu, vastuke guN, vastukI paryAy, chAron orase vastuko dekhI jAtI hai. mUl Ashray kisakA lenA? dRuShTi Ashray mUl vastukA letI hai. usamen guNabhed, paryAyabhed kiye binA ek astitvako grahaN karatI hai. ek manuShya ho to ek manuShyane Ashray liyA. bhagavAn hai, bhagavAnakA Ashray liyA ki bhagavAn mere hRudayamen hain, main bhagavAnako dekhatA hUn. Ashray liyA, phir bhagavAnakA vichAr nahIn karatA hai. yah bhagavAn hI hai. nakkI kiyA ki yah bhagavAn hain. sarva guN sampanna bhagavAna. us vakta use vikalpa nahIn AtA ki bhagavAnakA Ashray lUn. usamen koI guNabhed, paryAyabhed (dikhAyI nahIn dete). Ashray lenevAle ko us par dRuShTi yA vikalpa nahIn hotA. parantu bhagavAnamen guN kyA hai? un guNonkA vichArak karanemen gnAn AtA hai, chAron pahalUse. bhagavAnamen kaun-se guN bhare hain? bhagavAnakI avasthA kyA? unakA svarUp kyA hai? sab gnAn (karatA hai).

Ashray lenemen, Ashrayamen ek hI AtA hai. dRuShTimen ek Ashray liyA, usamen ek vastu A jAtI hai. usake bhed hain, vah mUl vastubhed nahIn hai. usakA lakShaNabhed aur ansh-anshIkA bhed hai. usake Ashrayamen to ek hI AtA hai. vastu anekAnta svarUpase bharI hai. usake gnAnamen sab AnA chAhiye aur Ashrayamen ek AtA hai. vahI vastukA svarUp hai. Ashrayamen bhinna-bhinna (Ashray nahIn hotA). dravyakA Ashray, guNakA Ashray, aise Ashray bhinna-bhinna nahIn hote. Ashray ek hI hotA hai. lekin us Ashrayamen guNonse

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bharitavastha vastu andar A jAtI hai. lekin usakI bhed par dRuShTi nahIn hai, use gauN ho jAtA hai. isaliye Ashray liyA.

shraddhAkA doSh yA chAritrakA doSh, vah to jabatak bhedagnAn nahIn huA hai, bhedagnAn hokar gnAyakakI dhArA pragaT huyI, to shraddhAkA doSh, chAritrakA doSh Adi spaShTarUpase bhinna paDatA hai. pahale to use ekatvabuddhi hai aur shraddhA, AcharaN Adi sab mishra hai. isaliye use apanI pariNatimen hI mishra hai, isaliye use bhinna karanA mushkil paDatA hai. pariNatimen mishra hai, isaliye yah shraddhAkA yA yah chAritrakA (doSh aise bhinna nahIn kar sakatA hai). pariNatimen hI mishra ho rahA hai. andar bhedagnAn huA nahIn hai. shraddhA jisakI bhinna ho gayI, gnAyakakI pariNati (huyI) use (yah) shraddhA (hai), yah chAritra- yah sthiratA hai (aisA bhinna kar sakatA hai). gnAyakakI shraddhAmen pharka paDe to vah shraddhAkA doSh hotA hai. main gnAyak hI hUn, yah vibhAv merA svabhAv nahIn hai. guNabhed hai vah lakShaNabhedase hai. usamen yadi bhUl paDe to usakI shraddhAmen, Ashrayamen bhUl paDe. to vah shraddhAkA doSh hai.

isaliye jab vah bhinna huA, to use jo anantAnubandhIkA ras thA vah TUT jAtA hai. gnAyak bhinna paDe. abhI abhinna hai, isaliye bhinna nahIn paDA hai. isaliye use sab mishrarUpase chal rahA hai. use sab ras manda paDe hain. yathArtha dev-guru-shAstrako grahaN kiye, tattvakA vichAr karatA hai, tattvako grahaN karatA hai, aisA sab karatA hai. isaliye vah tattvakI or jhukA hai. isaliye use sab (ras) manda paD gaye hain. anantAnubandhI, darshanamoh Adi. lekin vah usase bhinna nahIn paDA hai, isaliye use sab mishrarUpase hI chal rahA hai. isaliye mishra ho rahA hai. bhinna paDe use, yah astitvakA aur yah shraddhAkA...

lekin usamen sthUlarUpase vah aisA grahaN kar sakatA hai ki jo tattva sambandhit bAt ho, usamen jo bhUl paDe, tIvratA A jAye, vah sab darshanamohamen jAtA hai. aur dUsarA asthiratAmen jAtA hai.

mumukShu- sthUlarUpase bhed kar sakatA hai.

samAdhAna- tattva sambandhi jo ho, sachche dev-guru-shAstra sambandhit, tattttva sambandhit, us tattvamen bhUl paDe to vah shraddhAke doShamen jAtA hai.

mumukShu- shubharAgase dharma ho, ityAdi.

samAdhAna- hAn, vah sab shraddhAke doShamen jAtA hai. shubharAgase dharma hotA hai, shubh ho to achchhA hai, Adi. shubh AtA hai, lekin usase lAbh (nahIn mAnatA). vah apanA nij svarUp nahIn hai. tattvamen bhUl paDe to vah shraddhAke doShamen jAtI hai. bAkI jo AcharaNamen ho, vah sab kaShAyake bhAv hain. bhUmikAmen amuk prakArake kaShAy manda (hote

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hain), vah sab AtmArthIko to honA chAhiye. AtmAkA jise prayojan hai, use bhUmikA anusAr kaShAyonkA ras andarase kam ho jAtA hai. us sambandhit to use hotA hai. shraddhA aur chAritrakA bhed paDe, isaliye use usamen utanA pharka nahIn paDatA ki dUsare kaShAy bahut ho jAya. yah to tattvakA hai. bAkI dUsare sAnsArik vyavahArik kaShAy bahut baDh jAy, aisA nahIn hotA. AtmArthIko AtmAkA prayojan ho to use bhUmikA bhI amuk prakArakI honI chAhiye.

mumukShu- mukhyarUpase tattvakA doSh shraddhAke doShamen lenA chAhiye. aur laukikamen bhI aise tIvra kaShAy nahIn hote ki jo sAmAnya lokako bhI nahIn hote.

samAdhAna- nahIn hote. usakI bhUmikA, mumukShukI bhUmikA anusAr honA chAhiye.

mumukShu- aur khAs to jab bhinna paDe tab hI yathArtharUpase...

samAdhAna- yathArtha bhed tab hI paDatA hai. pariNati bhinna paDe aur asthiratA bhinna rah jAya. use bhedagnAn ho. tab hI use shraddhA aur chAritrakA doSh vAstavikarUpase usakI pariNatimen hote hain. tabatak use ras manda hue hote hain. sab pahalUse dekhA jAtA hai. nakkI karake Ashray ekakA liyA jAtA hai. pratyek vastu vyavahAramen bhI nakkI kare, koI vyaktikA vah Ashray letA hai, mAn-bApakA yA dUsarekA, to vyaktigat taur par Ashray le usamen use bhed nahIn hai, usamen vichAr nahIn hai. use vikalpa nahIn hai. usamen kyA guN hai, yah sab vichAramen AtA hai. Ashray lenemen Ashray ek vastukA (letA hai). chaitanyakA Ashray lenemen ek vastu akhaNDa aise AtA hai. phir usamen guNabhed par yA paryAyabhed par kahIn dRuShTi (nahIn hotI). vibhAv to merA svabhAv hI nahIn hai. gnAyak ek vastu hai. vastumen kyA hai? aisA kuchh nahIn. astitvakA Ashray-yah vastu main hUn, basa. gnAyak vastu main hUn. us vastukA Ashray liyA.

mumukShu- Ashrayamen hUn-panAkA anubhav karanA hai, hUn-pane anubhav karanA. gnAyak vahI main, aise hUn-pane anubhav karanA hai, vahAn gnAn aisA (kahatA hai), yah guNabhed, yah paryAyabhed teremen hain, tU hI hai, kuchh anya nahIn hai. arthAt ekamen hUn-panA karanA, dUsaremense chhoDanA. vahAn shraddhA aur gnAnakA viShay, thoDA pharka karatA hai. ulajhan vahAn hotI hai ki shraddhAmen yah gnAyak hI hUn, aisA main anubhav karatA hUn aur paryAy bhI... anya kuchh bhI main nahIn, yAnI paryAyamAtra bhI main nahIn hUn. nahIn hUn, isaliye gnAnamen jaisA hai vaisA, parase bhinnatA aur atadabhAvarUp bhinnatA, vastu svarUpako jaisA hai vaisA khyAlamen rakhakar, sarvathA itanA dRuShTikA jor nahIn detA hai ki yah gnAyak hI main hUn, aur anya kuchh bhI main nahIn hUn.

samAdhAna- ... phir usamen use vikalpa nahIn hai ki yah paryAy main nahIn hUn

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yA yah guNabhed main nahIn hUn. aisA vikalpa use nahIn hai. usane to ek astitvako grahaN kiyA hai. dRuShTike andar gnAn sAthamen hI juDA hai. kitanA bhed, vibhAv aur svabhAv bhed hai, paryAyakA kitanA bhed hai, guNakA kitanA bhed hai, in sabake khyAlapUrvak dRuShTikA jor hai. dRuShTikA jor aisA nahIn hai ki paryAy ek dUsarI vastu hai. dRuShTikA jor... jo shraddhA kI, shraddhAmen aisA jor hai ki yah paryAy bAhar laTak rahI hai. aisA nahIn hai.

use dRuShTike jorake sAth paryAyakA vedan hotA hai. vedan Adi sabakA gnAnamen khyAl hai, parantu dRuShTikA jor aisA nahIn thA ki gnAnase virUddha hai. usake sAth, yah kitanA bhinna hai aur vah kitanA bhinna hai, sabake khyAlapUrvak dRuShTikA Ashray hai. dRuShTikA Ashray aise nahIn hai ki gnAn kuchh dUsarA kAm karatA hai aur dRuShTi koI dUsarA karatI hai, aisA nahIn hai.

(dRuShTi) aisA kahatI hai ki meremen tU kuchh hai hI nahI aur gnAn kahatA hai, meremen hai. aisA nahIn hai. kis prakArase hai aur kis prakArase nahIn hai, vah dRuShTi aur gnAn donon maitripUrvak kAm karate hain.

mumukShu- donon maitripUrvak kAm karate hain.

samAdhAna- hAn, maitripUrvak karate hain.

mumukShu- arthAt gnAn jis prakArase vastukA svarUp batAtA hai, use rakhakar dRuShTi..

samAdhAna- use rakhakar dRuShTikA jor usI prakArase hotA hai. dRuShTimen aisA nahIn AtA hai ki yah paryAyakA vedan hai, yah paryAy A gayI, paryAy A gayI. aisA nahIn hai dRuShTimen. dRuShTine to Ashray hI grahaN kiyA hai. dRuShTikamen vikalpa nahIn hai. dRuShTimen kisI bhI prakArakA bhed nahIn hai. dRuShTine astitva grahaN kiyA hai. phir usamen bAkI sab AtA hai, usase bhAgatI hai, aisA usakA kArya nahIn hai. use khyAl hai ki yah guNabhed, paryAyabhedakA viShay usamen gauN ho gayA hai. use dekhane vah rukatI nahIn. use to shraddhA karanI vahI usakA viShay hai. dRuShTikA viShay shraddhAkA jor (hai). main kaun hUn, usakI shraddhAkA jor hai. gnAn hai jo sab svarUp jAnatA hai, usase koI alag hI usakA Ashray hai aisA nahIn hai. donon maitripUrvak kArya karate hain. dRuShTikA sab gnAn toD de aur gnAnakA sab dRuShTi toD de (aisA nahIn hotA). donon maitripUrvak kArya karate hain. dRuShTimen koI vikalpa nahIn hai. ek Ashray grahaN karanA aur shraddhAkA bal hai.

.. chaitanyamense utpanna huyI bhAvanA niShphal nahIn jAtI hai, aisA bhagavAnane kahA hai. aur vastukA svarUp hI aisA hai. bhagavAnane kahA hai. jo vastu hai, use andarase jo pariNati-bhAvanA utpanna ho, usakA kArya Aye binA rahatA hI nahIn. yadi antaramen vah

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kArya na Aye to vastu Tik nahIn sakatI. antaramense jo bhAvanA utpanna huyI ho, usakI pariNati jo ho, use hue binA rahatI hI nahIn. antarakI bhAvanA honI chAhiye. antarakI bhAvanA. chaitanyamense utpanna huyI bhAvanA ho.

mumukShu- ananta tIrthankaronne kahI huyI bAt hai. ek tIrthankar parase sab tIrthankaronne aisA kahA hai?

samAdhAna- jo mArga ek tIrthankar bhagavAn kahe, vah sab bhagavAn kahate hain. mArga to ek hI hai. tInon kAlamen ek hI mArga hai. muktikA mArga ek hI hai. ek bhagavAn yA sab bhagavAn, ek hI bAt kahate hain. usamen alag nahIn hotA. muktikA mArga, svAnubhUtikA muktikA mArga ek hI hotA hai. usamen dUsarA nahIn hotA. yah to bhAvanAkI bAt hai na. yadi antarase utpanna huyI bhAvanA ho (aur pariNati na ho) to chaitanya Tik hI nahIn sakatA. yadi usakI bhAvanA (anusAr) pariNati na ho, jaisI use antarase bhAvanA huyI ho, us rUp yadi pariNati pariName nahIn to vah chaitanya Tik hI nahIn sakatA.

antarakI bhAvanA honI chAhiye. antarakI usakI shraddhAkI pariNati, gnAnakI pariNati, chAritrakI pariNati, use yadi antarase bhAvanA ho to us rUp usakA pariNaman hue binA rahe nahIn. usakA mArga vah andarase dravya hI DhUnDh letA hai, dravya hI usakA kArya kar letA hai. us prakArase dravya kArya na kare to dravyakA nAsh ho jAya. ekakA nAsh ho to sabakA nAsh ho jAya. vastukA svarUp aisA hotA hI nahIn. aisI usakI shraddhAkI pariNati, gnAnakI, chAritrakI pariNati antarangase pariNaman hue binA rahe hI nahIn. antaramense dravya hI svayam mArga karake svayam svayamkA Ashray grahaN karake svayam hI pahunch jAtA hai. (chaitanyakI) or jo pariNati jAy, usakI shuddharUp pariNati hotI hai. usakI bhAvanA (antarakI ho to). bAharakI bAt alag hai, yah to antarakI bAt hai. antarang sachchI bhAvanAkI bAt hai.

pratyek dravya nij svarUparUp pariNamatA hai aur usakI pariNatikI gati, jo apanI bhAvanA (ho) arthAt jis or usakA jhukAv ho, us rUp dravya usakI pariNati pragaT kiye binA rahatA hI nahIn. vastukA svabhAv aisA hai. nahIn to vah dravya hI nahIn Tike, dravya hI na rahe.

mumukShu- kudarat bandhI huyI hai.

samAdhAna- kudarat usake sAth bandhI huyI hai. kudarat yAnI vastukA svarUpa. kisIne bhAvanAkA prashna ho, usamense AyA hai. sab bhAvanA-bhAvanA karate hain. andar sachchI bhAvanA ho to pragaT hue binA rahe hI nahIn. antaramense svayam dravya hI mArga kar letA hai. bhagavAnane

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kahI huyI bAt hai arthAt vastukA svarUp hI aisA hai. sab bahut kahate ho na, usamen aisA A gayA hai.

mumukShu- gurudevako to bahut hI anumodanA huyI thI. chaudah brahmANDakA nAsh ho jAya.

samAdhAna- hAn, brahmANDakA nAsh ho jAy, vastukA nAsh ho jAy, yadi us rUp kArya na Ave to. jo dravya ho, vaisI usakI bhAvanA ho to vaisI pariNati hue binA rahatI nahIn.

mumukShu- mAtAjI! bhAvanA to sabakI samyagdarshan prApta karanekI dikhatI ho to usakA...?

samAdhAna- vah bhAvanA nahIn, yah bhAvanA alag hai. aisI bhAvanA. vah bhAvanA aisI hotI hai ki andarase mArga ho hI jAya. apanA dravya andarase mArga kiye binA rahe nahIn. vah bhAvanA UparakI nahIn, antarakI bhAvanA ho usamen kArya Aye binA rahatA hI nahIn. antarakA sachchA kAraN ho to kArya Aye binA rahe hI nahIn. aisA vastukA siddhAnta hai. kAraN hI yathArtha nahIn hai to kArya kahAnse ho? ek hI mArga hai, isaliye ananta tIrthankaronkI bAt usamen A gayI hai.

mumukShu- vartamAnamen bIs tIrthankar vahI kar rahe hain aur bhaviShyamen tIrthankar honge ve yahI bAt karenge.

samAdhAna- sab yahI bAt kahenge. bhagavAnakI vANImen ananta rahasya AtA hai. usamen vastukA svarUp aisA hai ki dravya svayam, svayamkI bhAvanA anusAr pariNati kiye binA rahatA nahIn. dravya svayam svatantra hai aur svayamsiddha hai. apane Ap pariNatikI gati karatA hai. .. vah bhAvanA alag hai.

mumukShu- AtmabhAvanA bhAvatA jIv lahe kevalagnAn, vah bhAvanA.

samAdhAna- hAn, vah bhAvanA. AtmabhAvanA bhAvatA lahe keval, vah bhAvanA alaga. atanrakI pariNatikI bhAvanA alag hai. svayam hI mokShake panth par apanA kArya shurU kar detA hai.

mumukShu- ...paDhate samay ApakI dRuDhatA aur usakA jor koI alag hI lagatA hai.

samAdhAna- us dinA A gayI hai. bhAvanAkI kuchh bAt huyI, usamense us vakta A gayA hai.

mumukShu- mAtAjI! koI-koI bAr Apake mukhase aisI bAt nikal jAtI hai ki andar chonT lag jAya. aisI sundar rItase bAt A jAtI hai.