Benshreeni Amrut Vani Part 2 Transcripts-Hindi (simplified iso15919 transliteration). Track: 136.

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amr̥ut vāṇī (bhāg-4)

(prashamamūrti pūjya bahenashrī champābahen kī

ādhyātmik tattvacharchā)

દ્રવ્ય અને પર્યાયની સ્વતંત્રતાની સંધિ મેળવતા ફાવતું ન હતું તે વિષે પ્રશ્ન છે    0   Play
dravya ane paryāyanī svatantratānī sandhi meḷavatā phāvatun na hatun te viṣhe prashna chhe    0   Play

(પ્રશ્ન સમજાતો નથી) ઉપરના જવાબના રેફરન્સમાં છે.    1:50   Play
(prashna samajāto nathī) uparanā javābanā repharansamān chhe.    1:50   Play

પહલે ભેદજ્ઞાન કરકે સમ્યગ્દર્શન હોતા હૈ ફિર આગે બઢતે હૈં    11:35   Play
pahale bhedagnān karake samyagdarshan hotā hai fir āge baḍhate hain    11:35   Play

મતિજ્ઞાન કેવલજ્ઞાનકો બુલાતા હૈ ઉસ સમ્બન્ધમેં    12:55   Play
matignān kevalagnānako bulātā hai us sambandhamen    12:55   Play

આત્મા અભીતક જ્ઞાતા હી હૈ, અતીન્દ્રિય જ્ઞાનમયી ભી હૈ    14:25   Play
ātmā abhītak gnātā hī hai, atīndriy gnānamayī bhī hai    14:25   Play

શ્રુતજ્ઞાનસે આત્મા જાને ઔર કેવલજ્ઞાનસે આત્મા જાને ઉસમેં ક્યા અંતર હૈ?    15:20   Play
shrutagnānase ātmā jāne aur kevalagnānase ātmā jāne usamen kyā antar hai?    15:20   Play

માતાજી! આપ બારમ્બાર કહતે હૈં દેવ-ગુરુ-શાસ્ત્ર સમીપ રખે ઉસકો આત્મામેં જાનેકા અવકાશ હૈ?    16:15   Play
mātājī! āp bārambār kahate hain dev-guru-shāstra samīp rakhe usako ātmāmen jānekā avakāsh hai?    16:15   Play

શ્રુતજ્ઞાનસે આત્માકો જાને.... યા અરિહંત ભગવાનકે દ્રવ્ય- ગુણ-પર્યાયસે જાને યહ યુક્તિ સ્વસંવેદનકો પ્રાપ્ત કરાતી હૈં?    18:50   Play
shrutagnānase ātmāko jāne.... yā arihant bhagavānake dravya- guṇ-paryāyase jāne yah yukti svasamvedanako prāpta karātī hain?    18:50   Play

સમ્યગ્દર્શનકી પાત્રતા ક્યા હોની ચાહિયે?    20:55   Play
samyagdarshanakī pātratā kyā honī chāhiye?    20:55   Play

mumukṣhuḥ- mātājī! ... aur barābar baiṭhatā nahīn thā, kyoṅki donon virodhābhāsī dikhatā thā. darshanase milān karanekā ātā nahīn thā. kyoṅki yah gnānaguṇakī paryāy, ... usake avibhāg pratichchhed, yā guṇ-paryāy svatantrapane pariṇame, phir bhī dravyake āshray binā paryāy hotī hai... ek apekṣhāse to dravya hī kartā, karma,..

samādhānaḥ- hān̐, dravya hī kartā-kartā (hai). dravyake āshrayase (hotī hai). ... kahīn khīn̐chā jātā ho, aise vajan denemen ātā hai. apekṣhā to yahān̐ gurudev jo kahate the, vah sabako barasonse khyālamen hai ki gurudev nishchay mukhya rakhakar vyavahār kahate the yah sabane grahaṇ kiyā hai. parantu gurudev vyavahārako nikāl deneko nahīn kahate the. barasonse sunā hai isaliye us prakārakā sabako khyāl hai. ... usakī pakkaḍ nahīn karanī, vaise paryāyako nikāl nahīn denā tathāpi paryāy par dr̥uṣhṭi nahīn karanī. aise gurudevakā āshay vah thā.

... to svayam us bāt par bhī uchhal paḍate aur nishchayakī bāt āye to usamen bhī. isaliye gurudevake (pravachanamen) donoṅkī sandhi hai. unakā us prakārakā vartan, pariṇaman hī aisā thā. niṣhedh kare, use karanā kyā bākī rahā? dr̥uṣhṭi usakī nahīn hotī, parantu bhāvanā āye, sab bīchamen āye. us par vajan nahīn denā hai.

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mumukṣhuḥ- ...yah paryāy is dravyakī aur yah paryāy is guṇakī hai. sab paryāy svatantrarūpase pariṇamatī hai. ab āpake shabda grahaṇ kiye the, vāstavamen to paryāy svatantra hai... yah puruṣhārtha karanemen aisī bhāvanā ho ki main aisā karun̐, aisā karũn. to yadi donon ek na ho athavā dravyakā āshray na ho to... aise shabdommen rahā ki ye svarūpase bhinna hai, vastu bhī vah hai. parantu bhāvamen kahān̐ alag paḍ jātā hai, vah antaramen khyālamen nahīn ātā.

samādhānaḥ- dravya kūṭastha hone par bhī use pāriṇāmik bhī kahanemen ātā hai. isaliye akhaṇḍamen aise ātā hai. phir bhī paryāy pariṇame to bhī vah dravyakī shaktiyān̐ hain, dravyamense pariṇamatī hai. sab paryāy pragaṭ hotī hai vah dravyamense pragaṭ hotī hai. dravyase bāhar nahīn hai. dravyakī shuddhi, dravyakī nirmalatā aur dravyadr̥uṣhṭimense pragaṭ hotī hai. phir usakī jo tāratamyatā pragaṭ hotī hai vah sab svatantra pragaṭ hotā hai. vah svayam....

...dravyake svabhāvamense ... pariṇamatī hai. .. kuchh log aisā mānate haĩn. jaise dravya svatantra hai, vaise paryāy (svatantra nahīn hai). svatantratā utanī ki paryāy pariṇamanevālī hai, ek kṣhaṇakā sat... dravya jo akhaṇḍa sāmarthyase bharā huā, paripūrṇa sāmarthyase bharā huā, paryāy kahān̐ vaisī hai. jitanā sāmarthya dravyamen, utanā sāmarthya paryāyamen kahān̐ hai. paryāy to dravyamen hai. mujhe vah yād nahīn āyā. ... koī khīn̐chatā ho to use prayojanavashāt kahanā paḍe ki isakā aisā hai. koī kuchh khīn̐chatā hai. nahīn hai, paryāy sarvathā nahīn hai, paryāy hai hī nahīn, aisā thoḍā hī hai. aisā nahīn hai. vyavahār nahīn hai, paryāy nahīn hai... ... paryāy svatantra hai, jab pariṇamanā hogā tab pariṇamegī. svayaṅke kuchh hotā nahī̃n. paryāyake sab kārak svatantra haĩn. ek guṇ dūsare guṇakī paryāyako kar sakatā nahī̃n. dravya bhinna, paryāy bhinna, sabake kārak svatantra. bhāvanā kare, puruṣhārtha kare to kaun rahe? balaguṇ hai vah use kar sakatā nahī̃n. to phir bhāvanā kisake ādhārase? kaun kisakā nimitta ho aur upādān rahe? kuchh nahīn hogā. ... guṇ bhinna, paryāy bhinna, dravya bhinna, sab bhinna. kisīko kisīkā āshray hī nahīn hai. āshray mātra bolane tak simīt rah jātā hai. phir andar kyā samajhatā hai, vah kuchh nahīn rahatā. āshray hai, āshray hai kahane par bhī ṭūkaḍe-ṭūkaḍe mān letā hai. gurudev svatantratā kahate the, parantu aise ṭūkaḍe thoḍe hī kahate the.

... paryāy hai, svatantra to vah svayam tak simīt hai. dravya to ek vastu hai. paryāy to kṣhaṇ-kṣhaṇamen hotī hai. dravyake āshrayase hotī hai. svayam svatantra hai, usakī tāratamyatā hotī hai vah svatantra, us prakārase svatantra hai. parantu usakā pūrā sāmarthya dravyamen bharā hai. dravyake āshrayase honevālī hai. aisā kahanemen āy, ... sab svatantra hai. to bhī dravya

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pariṇamatā hai. abhed lene jāy to dravya pariṇamatā (hai).

.. ananta-ananta ... pariṇame to bhī khatma nahīn hotā aise sāmarthyase paripūrṇa hai, isaliye paryāy aise hī pariṇamatī rahatī hai. paryāy ūparase hotī hai? dravyake sāmarthyamen ananta-ananta shakti (bharī hai). chāhe jitanī paryāy pariṇamo, ananta kāl jāy to bhī dravya vaisākā vaisā hai. usamen kuchh kam nahīn hotā. aisī shaktise bharapūr sāmarthyayukta dravya hai, usamense paryāy ātī hai. use dravyakā āshray hai. vah kṣhaṇik hai. pariṇamanevālī, usamen-paryāyamen pariṇamanekī shakti hai. paryāy svatantra pariṇame. usakā sampradān svatantra, usakā apādān, usakā adhikaraṇ (svatantra). us apekṣhāse paryāy svatantra (kahā). isaliye use dravyakā āshray nahīn hai, aisā nahīn mānanā. us apekṣhāse hai. kartā, karma, karaṇ (ādi). jaise dravyake ṣhaṭakārak svatantra hai, vaise hī usake (hain), aisā nahīn mānanā. donommen antar hai. dūsare dravyakā aur is dravyakā kartā, karma sab svatantra hain, aisī svatantratā paryāyamen hai, aisā nahīn mānanā. aisī hī svatantratā paryāyamen nahīn hai, paryāy to kṣhaṇik hai. dravya to ananta sāmarthyase bharā huā hai. usake ṣhaṭakārak svatantra (ātā hai), vah alag hai.

... isaliye usakī svatantratā hai. paryāyamen utanā sāmarthya nahīn hai, vah to kṣhaṇ bharake liye pariṇamatī hai, dūsare kṣhaṇamen dūsarī paryāy ātī hai. gnān pariṇamatā hī rahe, gnān khatma nahīn hotā. ananta kāl paryant ānanda pariṇamatā hī rahe to bhī khatma nahīn hotā. dravyake sāmarthyase ... hai. sañgnā, saṅkhyā, lakṣhaṇ, prayojanase bhed hai. vastubhed hai kyā usakā? vah to shāstramen bhī ātā hai. vastu paryāy ek bhinna dravya thoḍā hī hai. dravya nahīn hai. to phir kitane dravya ho jāy? chaitanyadravya aur chaitanyakā paryāyadravya, guṇadravya aisā ho jāya. jaisā dravya svatantra hai, vaisī hī jātakī paryāy svatantra nahīn hai. svatantra kahī jātī hai, parantu svatantra-svatantramen antar hai.

.. rājā usakā svāmī hai. usake āshrayamen rahanevāle sab svatantrapane kām karate ho, parantu usakā mālik to rājā hai. aisī svatantratā, jo kām karanevāle hote hain ve svatantratāse karate hõn. rājā use pūchhe bhī nahīn, kuchh nahīn, svatantrarūpase karate hon, to bhī mālik to rājā hī hai. rājākī ... hai. (dr̥uṣhṭāntamen) to bhinna-bhinna dravya haĩn.

(yahān̐ siddhāntamen to) rājā jaise chalatā ho, vaise hī paryāy chalatī hai. usakī dr̥uṣhṭi dravya par jāy to aise hī paryāy chalatī hai. svayam andar svabhāvamen, svabhāvakī or jor baḍh jāy to paryāy aise hī chalatī hai. vibhāvakī or jāy to vaise hī paryāy chale. mūl dravya par dr̥uṣhṭi denevālā hai, vah jaise chalatā ho vaise hī paryāyakī ḍor chale, dūsare prakārase nahīn chale. vaise hī chale.

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jo dravya par dr̥uṣhṭi hai, usake balamense jo chalatā hai, usī prakār paryāy chale. dūsare prakārase chale nahīn sakatī. use āshray dravyakā hai. vibhāvakī or dr̥uṣhṭi ho to vaise hī vibhāv chale. aise dr̥uṣhṭi phire to svabhāv chale. usamen yadi usakī pariṇati jorase vr̥uddhigat ho to vaise chale. to pūrā chakra vaise chale. ek usakī dr̥uṣhṭi phari aur līnatā phir to pūrā dravya, sarvaguṇānsh so samyagdarshan, pūrā chakra vaise chale. jis or dr̥uṣhṭi aur pariṇati, līnatā jaise chale vaise sab chale. yah is or chale to vah us or nahīn chalatā. ... paryāy dūsarī or chale aisā nahīn hotā.

.. shuddhātmākī shuddharūp paryāy pariṇame to svatantra pariṇame. parantu jaise dravyakī dr̥uṣhṭi aur līnatā jaise chale vaise vah chale. dūsare prakārase nahīn chal sakatā. phir use alag- alag karane nahīn jānā paḍatā ki vah bhinna-bhinna (chale). ek chalā, usamen sab pariṇati sarvaguṇānsh so samyagdarshan, svataḥ ananta guṇakā pariṇaman shuddha hotā hai. bhinna-bhinna ananta par dr̥uṣhṭi karake bhed karake nahīn karanā paḍatā ki sab par alag-alag dr̥uṣhṭi karake (karanā paḍe). ek par dr̥uṣhṭi (detā hai) isaliye pūrā chakra sulaṭā (chalatā hai). usakī us paryantakī svatantratā hotī hai.

... samajhāye isaliye aisā lage ki ye bhinna kahate haĩn. dūsaroṅko biṭhāneke liye, dūsare lakṣhaṇ kahakar (kahate the). main dūsare prakārase kahatī hū̃n. .. is prakārase kahatī hūn̐ aur ve dūsare prakārase kahate haĩn. unako ... karanā hotā hai, main dr̥uṣhṭikī orase kahatī hūn̐ ki dr̥uṣhṭi dravyakī or muḍe to sab paryāy (is or jhuk jātī hai). paryāyako dravyakā āshray hai.

... dev-guru-shāstra nimitta hote hain, upādān to svayaṅko taiyār karanā paḍatā hai. pahale to ansh pragaṭ hotā hai, bādamen pūrṇatā hotī hai. pahale samyagdarshan pragaṭ karanā. bāharase nahīn... gnāyak ātmākā svarūp pahachāne, bhedagnān kare, sharīr main nahīn hūn̐, vibhāvaparyāy merā svabhāv nahīn hai. shubhāshubh bhāv bhī merā svabhāv nahīn hai. main bhinna chaitanyadravya hū̃n. aisī shraddhā-pratīt karake usakī svānubhūti kare to use samyagdarshan kahate haĩn. āge baḍhakar kevalagnān to bādamen hotā hai.

svānubhūtimen līn hote-hote, visheṣh-visheṣh sthiratā hotī hai tab pañcham guṇasthān, chhaṭhṭhe-sātaven guṇasthānamen muni antarmuhūrta-antarmuhūrtamen jhulate hain, bādamen shreṇi lagākar kevalagnān hotā hai. shurūāt to aise hotī hai. usakī jignāsā karanā, mahimā karanā, nahīn hove tab tak usakā abhyās karanā, ye sab karanā.

mumukṣhuḥ- mātājī! ṣhaṭakhaṇḍāgamamen ātā hai na ki matignān kevalagnānako bulātā hai.

samādhānaḥ- matignān bulātā hai. mati-shrut (gnān) jisako pragaṭ hotā hai to

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vah kevalagnānako āo.. āo... (kahatā hai). matignān jab āye, matignānakā ansh pragaṭ hotā hai tab kevalagnān avashya ātā hī hai. jisako svānubhūti pragaṭ hotī hai,.... matignān parasanmukh hotā thā. mati-shrut svasanmukh huā, svānubhūti pragaṭ huyī to usako matignān pragaṭ huā. jisako vah matignānakā ansh pragaṭ huā use kevalagnān avashya hotā hai.

anādikālase ughāḍ to hai, bādamen jab svasanmukh hotā hai, tab use svānubhūti pragaṭ hotī hai. svasanmukh mati-shrut (hotā hai). vikalpa ṭūṭakar svasanmukh hotā hai to nirvikalpa svānubhūti hotī hai. jisako svānubhūti hotī hai, (usako) avashya kevalagnān hotā hai. matignān avashya kevalagnānako bulātā hai. usako to avashya kevalagnān ātā hai. vah avashya ātā hai. matignān-shrutagnān kevalagnānako bulātā hai. kevalagnānako ānā hī paḍatā hai. matignān-ḍorīko khin̐chatī hai svānubhūti to kevalagnān pragaṭ ho jātā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- ātmā pratyakṣha gnātā hī hai.

samādhānaḥ- pratyakṣha gnātā hai. anādiananta gnātā hai, parantu gnātākā bhān nahīn hai. gnāyak-gnātā jab pragaṭ hotā hai, gnāyakakā pariṇaman samyagdarshanamen ānshik pragaṭ hotā hai, pūrṇa pragaṭ hotā hai kevalagnānamẽn. pratyakṣha gnātā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- atīndriy gnānamen?

samādhānaḥ- atīndriy gnānamen pratyakṣha gnātā gnāyakakā vedan hotā hai. atīndriy gnānamẽn. bādamen pūrṇa atīndriy (gnān pragaṭ hotā hai).

mumukṣhuḥ- shrutagnānase jo ātmāko jāne aur kevalagnānase ātmāko jāne, usamen kyā pher hai?

samādhānaḥ- shrutagnānase jānatā hai vah svānubhūti pratyakṣha hai aur vah kevalagnān pratyakṣha hai. mati-shrutako koī apekṣhāse parokṣha kahanemen ātā hai, parantu svānubhūti pratyakṣha hai. matignānamen manakā thoḍā abuddhipūrvak ansh rahatā hai isaliye parokṣha (kahanemen ātā hai), parantu svānubhūti pratyakṣha hai. mati-shrut pratyakṣha hai. kevalagnānamen to manakā avalamban bhī nahīn hai, vah to pratyakṣha gnāyak hai-pratyakṣha gnātā ho gayā. pratyakṣha-parokṣhakā bhed paḍatā hai. parantu mati-shrut svānubhūti pratyakṣha hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- mātājī! āp bārambār kahate hain ki dev-guru-shāstrakī samīpatā rakhe to andar jānekā avakāsh hai. thoḍā isake bāremen...

samādhānaḥ- dev-guru-shāstra jisake hr̥udayamen rahate hain, usakī bhāvanā rahatī hai ki muje dev-guru-shāstrakā sānnidhya ho. kyoṅki jisako ātmākī ruchi hove usako aisī bhī ruchi hotī hai ki muje gurukā sānnidhya ho, devakā ho, shāstrakā bhī (sānnidhya

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ho). usake shravaṇ-mananakī bhāvanā rahatī hai. phir sanyog bane, na bane vah bāharakī bāt hai, parantu usakī bhāvanā bahut rahatī hai ki mujhe sānnidhya ho. kyoṅki jise ātmā ruche usako use sādhanevāle par bhī ādar ātā hai. guru sādhakadashāmen sādhate hain aur dev pūrṇa ho gaye. isaliye jisane isakī sādhanā pragaṭ karī, us par usako bahut ādar rahatā hai. kyoṅki apanī ruchi hai to apaneko nahīn hotā hai, jisane pragaṭ kiyā us par bahut ādar rahatā hai. isaliye dhyey ātmākā hai aur dev-guru-shāstrake sānnidhyakī bhāvanā rahatī hai. main ātmāko kaise pahachānūn? jisane pīchhānā ho us par ādar ātā hai. jisako ātmākī ruchi hotī hai (usako).

mumukṣhuḥ- mātājī! ātā hai na, "seve sadaguru charaṇako to pāvai sākṣhāt'. mātājī! aisī koī tākat do ki samyagdarshan, kevalagnān pragaṭ kar sake hama.

samādhānaḥ- "seve sadaguru charaṇ' charaṇ (seve) lekin upādān apanese pragaṭ hotā hai. nimitta guru hote hain, upādān apanā hotā hai. upādān pragaṭ kare to use nimitta kahanemen ātā hai. upādān apaneko (taiyār) karanā paḍatā hai. charaṇ sevanekī bhāvanā apanī hotī hai ki main cheraṇ sevan karake mere ātmāko kaise pragaṭ karun̐? aise upādān apanā taiyār karanā paḍatā hai.

jo bhagavānako jānatā hai, vah apane ātmāko jānatā hai. bhagavānake dravya-guṇ- paryāyako jānā, (vah) apaneko (jānatā hai). apanekā jānatā hai, vah bhagavānako jānatā hai. use bhagavānakā kaisā dravya hai, guṇ hai, paryāy hai apane upādānase (jānatā hai), nimittase isamen bhagavān hote haĩn. aisā nimitta-upādānakā sambandha hai. bhagavānako jānatā hai vah ātmāko jānatā hai, ātmāko jānatā hai vah bhagavānako jānatā hai. aisā nimitta-upādānakā sambandha hai. upādān apanā aur nimitta dev-guru hote haĩn.

mumukṣhuḥ- mātājī! shrutagnān dvārā ātmāko jāne yā arihantake dravya-guṇ-paryāyako jāne? usamen donon barābar yuktisaṅgat hai.

samādhānaḥ- shrutagnān dvārā..?

mumukṣhuḥ- shrutagnān dvārā ātmāko jāne yā arihantak bhagavānake dravya-guṇ-paryāyako jāne, to yahī alaukik yukti svasamvedanagnān prāpta karātī hai?

samādhānaḥ- usamen ā jātā hai. jisane bhagavānake dravya-guṇ-paryāyako jānā usamen shrutagnān bhī sāthamen ā jātā hai. bhagavānake dravya-guṇ-paryāy jāne, usamen shrut apane āpase apane bhītaramen shrutagnān pragaṭ hotā hai. bhagavānake dravya-guṇ-paryāyako jān yā shrutagnān dvārā jāne, donon sāthamen hote haĩn. upādān apanā andaramen hotā hai aur bhagavānakā dravya-guṇ-paryāy (jānanā) sab sāthamen hotā hai. shrutagnānase kevalī jāne, vah gnān dvārā

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yā bhagavān dvārā yā dev-guru-shāstra dvārā kaho yā shrutagnān dvārā kaho. donon sāthamen hote haĩn.

shrutagnān orase bāt karanemen ātī hai to shrutagnānakī orase kahate haĩn. dev-gurukī orase bāt kare to dev-gurukī orase (bāt ātī hai). donon sāthamen hote haĩn. bhagavānake dravya-guṇ-paryāyako jāne usamen shrutagnān ā jātā hai. shrutagnān dvārā ātmāko jāne usamen dev-guru bhī ā jāte haĩn. donommen aisā sambandha ā jātā hai.

... koī kahanekī bāt nahīn hai. svānubhūti to alaukik hai, ātmākī vastu hai. ātmā hai, ātmākī svānubhūti (hotī hai). vibhāv to anādi kālamen bahut vedanamen āyā hai, svānubhūti to vedanamen nahīn āyī hai. samyagdarshan pragaṭ nahīn huā hai, vah to alaukik hai. vikalpa ṭūṭakar nirākul ātmākā ānanda, ananta guṇase bharā ātmā, vah to koī alaukik vastu hai. svānubhūtimen ātī hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- mātājī! samyagdarshanakī pātratā kyā honī chāhiye? samādhānaḥ- pātratāmen to aisī bhāvanā hove ki main ātmāko kaise pragaṭ karun̐? main kaise ātmāko pahachānūn̐? vibhāvamen chain na paḍe, bāharamen kahīn chain (na paḍe), bāhar upayog jāy usamen chain nahīn paḍe, vibhāvamen kahīn chain na paḍe. sukh aur shānti mere bhītaramense kaise ā jāy? aisī bahut bhāvanā (ho). mujhe ātmā kaise pragaṭ ho, aisī jignāsā, chaitanya gnāyakakī mahimā, main gnāyakako kaise pīchhānūn̐, usakī mahimā, dev- guru-shāstrakī mahimā, bārambār usakā abhyās, tattva vichār, shāstra abhyās, usamen main ātmāko kaise pīchhānūn̐? prayojanabhūt ātmā. jyādā jān lūn̐ (aisā nahīn), parantu main prayojanabhūt ātmā gnāyak usako kaise pīchhānūn̐? usakī bahut bhāvanā, jignāsā, laganī rahatī hai.

prashamamūrti bhagavatī mātano jay ho! mātājīnī amr̥ut vāṇīno jay ho!

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