Benshreeni Amrut Vani Part 2 Transcripts-Hindi (simplified iso15919 transliteration). Track: 161.

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(સમયસાર ગાથા-૬) ‘‘જ્ઞાત તે તો તે જ છે’’ તે સંબંધી    0   Play
(samayasār gāthā-6) ‘‘gnāt te to te ja chhe’’ te sambandhī    0   Play

આત્મા અને રાગના પ્રદેશ ભિન્ન છે તે વિષે પ્રશ્ન છે    2:15   Play
ātmā ane rāganā pradesh bhinna chhe te viṣhe prashna chhe    2:15   Play

.....જો ધારણાજ્ઞાન મજબૂત કરવા છતાં નિશ્ચય પ્રગટ થશે તેમ કદી બને નહીં અને આપે કહ્યું કે ધારણાજ્ઞાન મજબૂત થાય તો બીજા ભવમાં સંસ્કારરૂપે કામ આવે.... તે આશ્વાસનરૂપે છે કે હકીકતરૂપે છે?    6:50   Play
.....jo dhāraṇāgnān majabūt karavā chhatān nishchay pragaṭ thashe tem kadī bane nahīn ane āpe kahyun ke dhāraṇāgnān majabūt thāy to bījā bhavamān sanskārarūpe kām āve.... te āshvāsanarūpe chhe ke hakīkatarūpe chhe?    6:50   Play

જ્ઞાનીને નિર્વિકલ્પપણું કેટલા વખતમાં આવે છે? કેટલો વખત ન આવે તો પણ તે ટકી શકે છે?    13:25   Play
gnānīne nirvikalpapaṇun keṭalā vakhatamān āve chhe? keṭalo vakhat na āve to paṇ te ṭakī shake chhe?    13:25   Play

સમકિત ન થવાનું ઉપાદાન પોતે અને વ્યવહારે જ્ઞાની પ્રત્યે અર્પણતા નથી આવી તે હોઈ શકે?    16:50   Play
samakit na thavānun upādān pote ane vyavahāre gnānī pratye arpaṇatā nathī āvī te hoī shake?    16:50   Play

samādhānaḥ- ... parantu vah to vahīkā vahī hai, anya nahīn hai. jo svayaṅkī svaprakāshanakī dashāmen aur paraprakāshanakī dashāmen, donommen ek hī hai, anya koī gnāyak nahīn hai. gnāyak jo hai vahī hai. jo gnāyak svānubhūtimen gnāt huā vah gnāyak, aur jo gnāyak, bāhar upayog jāy to bhī gnāyak, vah donon gnāyak to ek hī hai. anya gnāyak nahīn hai, gnāyak to vahīkā vahī hai. koī bhī dashāmen gnāyak vahīkā vahī hai. koī bhī dashā, pramatta-apramattakī dashā ho, chauthe guṇasthānakī dashā ho, pān̐chave guṇasthānakī dashā ho, koī bhī ho, to gnāyak par jo dr̥uṣhṭi hai, gnāyakakī jo dhārā hai, gnāyak shāshvat jo anādikā hai, vah gnāyak to vahīkā vahī hai, anya gnāyak nahīn hai. gnāyak vahīkā vahī hai. sva-par prakāshanakī dashāmen gnāyak (vahī hai). apanī or svānubhūtike kālamen athavā bāhar upayog ho tab bhī gnāyak to vahī hai, gnāyak koī anya nahīn hai. gnāyak anya nahīn hai. gnāyak vahīkā vahī hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- vah gnāyak yānī dhruv gnāyak lenā yā paryāyamen jo gnāyakatā pragaṭ huī vah lenā?

samādhānaḥ- jo pragaṭ huā vah gnāyak aur anādikā gnāyak, donon apekṣhā usamen hai. use anādikā gnāyak hai, parantu usakā vedan usako kahān̐ hai? ise vedanapūrvakakā gnāyak hai. anādikā to hai hī, parantu yah pragaṭ huā gnāyak hai. apane svarūpamense kahīn bāhar nahīn ātā hai, gnāyak vah gnāyak hī hai. dīpak svayam apanī... dīpakako prakāshit kare yā parako prakāshit kare, dīpak dīpak hī hai. (vais) gnāyak gnāyak hī hai. gnāyak so gnāyak hī hai.

... par dr̥uṣhṭi nahīn hai, parantu gnāyak par dr̥uṣhṭi hai. gnāyak to gnāyak hī hai, bas! hamen gnāyak prāpta ho. gnāyakakī paripūrṇatā prāpta ho. paryāy par lakṣhya nahīn hai. "jo gnāt vo to vohī hai.' gnāyak sadāke liye gnāyak vah gnāyak hī hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- ātmāke aur paryāyake pradesh bhinna mānatā hai. rāgake jo pradesh hai, yadi rāgake pradeshako bhinna nahīn māne to rāg chalā jāy to ātmā bhī chalā jāya. usake pradesh chale jāy to ātmākā bhī chale jāya. to bhāvabhedase ātmāke pradesh bhinna

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hai yā vāstavamen ātmā dravya aur paryāyake pradesh bhinna-bhinna hain?

samādhānaḥ- bhāvabhedase bhinna hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- gurudev to aisā kahate the, aisā bahut log kahate haĩn.

samādhānaḥ- paryāy svayam svatantra hai aur dravya svatantra hai. donoṅkī svatantratā darshāne hetu usake pradesh (bhinna kahanemen āte hain). paryāyakā aur dravyakā svarūp bhinna hai. isaliye usake pradesh bhinna hai. parantu yadi chaitanyakī vibhāvaparyāy jaḍ hī karatā ho to use chhoḍanā rahatā nahīn, use kuchh puruṣhārtha karanā nahīn rahatā hai. vibhāvaparyāy hotī hai apane puruṣhārthakī mandatāse aur vah nij svabhāv nahīn hai. svabhāv nahīn hai, jisakā svabhāv bhinna usakā kṣhetra bhinna, vah vastu bhinna ādi sab usake bhāv apekṣhāse bhinna kahanemen ātā hai.

parantu jaise do dravya svatantra hain, ek chaitanyadravya, dūsarā jaḍadravya, vah donon svatantra hain, vaise hī dravya aur paryāy vaise hī svatantra ho to paryāy svayam hī dravya ho jāya. to vah do dravya bhinna ho jāya. parantu do dravya bhinna hain, usī apekṣhāse dravya aur paryāy usī apekṣhāse bhinna hain, aisā nahīn hai.

dravya svayam shāshvat trikāl hai aur ananta guṇase bharā dravya hai aur paryāy kṣhaṇik hai evan ek ansh hai. aur dravya sat, guṇ sat, paryāy (sat). paryāy bhī ek sat hai. use sat batāneke liye aur vah bhī ek sat svarūp hai, vah darshāne hetu usake pradesh bhinna kahanemen āte haiaĩn. parantu vāstavamen jaisā ātmākā kṣhetra bhinna hai aur jaisā kṣhetra pudagalakā bhinna hai, vaisā hī usakā kṣhetra bhinna ho to do dravya ho jāya. paryāy hai vah dravyake āshrayase hotī hai. paryāy akelī svatantra ūpar-ūpar nahīn hotī hai. isaliye paryāyako dravyakā āshray hotā hai. us apekṣhāse do dravya bhinna hain, vaisī hī paryāy svatantra nahīn hai. parantu amuk apekṣhāse usakī paryāy sat hai aisā batāneke liye, usakā bhāv bhinna hai, isaliye kṣhetra bhinna, isaliye vastu bhinna hai, aisā kahanemen ātā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- gnān bhinna, rāg bhinna. rāgakā pradesh nirmal paryāyake na māne, lekin rāgakā pradesh bhinna mānanemen koī dikkat ātī hai?

samādhānaḥ- rāgakā pradesh bhale hī bhinna māne. usamen koī dikkat nahīn ātī. parantu vah apane puruṣhārthakī mandatāse hotā hai. gnānakī nirmal paryāy hai usakā to vedan hotā hai aur nij svabhāvarūp pariṇati hai. aur ye to vibhāvarūp pariṇati hai. isaliye usake pradeshabhed mānanemen dikkat nahīn ātī, parantu vah apane puruṣhārthakī mandatāse hotā hai, usakā lakṣhya honā chāhiye. vah bilakūl jaḍake hī hain, to svayaṅko puruṣhārtha karanā nahīn rahatā hai.

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mumukṣhuḥ- bhāvabhed māno to hī usakā phainsalā hogā.

samādhānaḥ- hān̐, to hī phainsalā hotā hai. vah hai, vah usakī paryāy sat hai aisā batāneke liye hai. parantu usake gnānamen aisā hai ki ye bhinna hai-bhinna hai, bhāvabhed to vaise hī rahatā hai ki yah bhinna hai, yah bhinna hai. bhedagnān karanevāleko aisā hī hotā hai ki ye rāg bhinna hai aur gnān bhinna hai. rāg bhinna aur gnān bhinna hai. yah main gnān hūn̐ aur yah rāg hai. bhāvabhedase bhed honeke kāraṇ vah bhinna hī hai. parantu asthiratā hai vah usake gnānamen rahatā hai, vah mere puruṣhārthakī mandatāse hotā hai. vah chaitanyakī paryāyamen hotā hai. parantu merā svabhāv nahīn hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- barābar baiṭhatā hai. pradesh donoṅke bhinna mānanemen to āye to do dravya ho jāya.

samādhānaḥ- do dravya hī bhinna ho jāte haĩn.

mumukṣhuḥ- vyavasthā ṭūṭ jāya.

samādhānaḥ- sab vyavasthā ṭūṭ jāya. usakā vedan chaitanyako ho hī nahīn to vibhāvakā vedan... svabhāvaparyāyakī to ek alag bāt hai ki vah svabhāvakī paryāy hai. parantu ye vibhāv hai, usakā bhale kṣhetrabhed ho, kyoṅki vah nimitta-orase hotā hai. parantu puruṣhārthakī mandatāse apanī pariṇati hotī hai, utanā use lakṣhyamen rakhanā chāhiye. nahīn to puruṣhārtha karanā hī nahīn rahatā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- abhī merī ek jagah bāt huyī, satsaṅgamen charchā huyī to usamen aisī bāt āyī, us bhāīne aise bāt kahī ki, āj tak jo kuchh kiyā hai, us par rekhā nahīn khīn̐chī jāy, chaukaḍī māranemen nahīn āye to nishchay pragaṭ nahīn hotā. arthāt manda kaṣhāy karate.. karate.. karate... dharma pragaṭ ho jāyagā, yā dhāraṇā gnān majabūt karate-karate nishchay pragaṭ ho jāyagā, aisā tīn kālamen bane nahī̃n. to āpane ek bār kahā thā ki, dhāraṇā gnān bhī majabūt ho to dūsare bhavamen sanskārūpamen kām āyegā. to vah āshvāsanarūp hai yā hakīkatarūp hai?

samādhānaḥ- nahīn, nahī̃n. dhāraṇāgnān yānī vah dhokhanerūp gnān samajhanā ki yah ajīv hai, ajīv hai, aise. dhāraṇāgnān yānī vaisā gnāna. dhāraṇāgnān yā kaṣhāy manda kareṅge to dharma hogā, mandatā usakā sādhan hai, aisī mānyatāse use nukasān hai. vah use sādhan nahīn hotā. dhāraṇāgnān use vāstavik sādhan nahīn hotā. usakā vāstavik sādhan dhāraṇāgnān nahīn, parantu antaramen svayam dr̥uṣhṭi kare, apanā gnān svayaṅkā sādhan hotā hai, parantu bīchamen vah ātā hai.

dhāraṇāgnān yānī raṭā huā gnān aisā nahī̃n. parantu main yah chaitanya hūn̐, yah svabhāv

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bhinna hai, yah vibhāv bhinna hai. gnānane svayanne buddhise jo nakkī kiyā hai, vah nakkī kiyā hai usakā abhyās karatā hai. dhāraṇāgnān, bahut log shāstra dhokh lete hain, aisā dhāraṇāgnān kām nahīn ātā. bīchamen use jānapanā hai utanā use kuchh nimitta bane, bākī (koī kāryakārī nahīn hai).

parantu yah jo svayam abhyāsapūrvak karatā hai, vah use vāstavik sādhan to nahīn hai. vāstavik sādhan to usakā jo svabhāv hai vahī use sādhan hotā hai. parantu vah bīchamen ātā hai. use vyavahārase sādhan kahanemen ātā hai. vyavahār sādhana. vyavahār sādhan na kahe to phir... pahalese to vah antaramen jā nahīn sakatā hai, isaliye mumukṣhuko kyā karanā rahatā hai? yathārtha ruchi aur main chaitanya hūn̐, aisī bhāvanā kare vah to bīchamen āye binā nahīn rahatā.

mumukṣhuḥ- āye binā rahatā nahīn, vah bāt to barābar hai lekin use sādhan mānane jāy to ...

samādhānaḥ- nahīn, vāstavik sādhan hai aisā nahī̃n. mūl sādhan to dravya svabhāvamense puruṣhārtha uṭhakar, antaramense jo uṭhe vah vāstavik sādhan hotā hai. parantu vah bīchamen ātā hai, vyavahār sādhan kahanemen ātā hai.

jaise anādi kālase gurukā upadesh aur jinendrakā upadesh use nimittarūpase deshanālabdhi hotī hai, to vah bhī use ek sādhan nimittarūpase kahanemen ātā hai. upādān hotā hai apanese, parantu anādi kālase aisā sambandha hai ki bīchamen gurukā upadesh aur jinendrakā upadesh, anādi kālakā anabhyāsī (jīv hai), jise kuchh pragaṭ nahīn huā, use ek bār aisī deshanā milatī hai, andarase deshanā labdhi grahaṇ hotī hai svayanse, upādān svayaṅkā hai parantu usamen nimitta jinendra dev aur gurukā banatā hai, aisā nimitta-naimittik sambandha hai. vaise jo svayam ruchi karatā hai, mātra dhāraṇāgnān (karatā hai), use ruchi hī nahīn hai, aisā dhāraṇāgnān dhokh liyā hai, vah nahī̃n. parantu vah buddhise nakkī karatā hai ki main yah gnān hūn̐, darshan hūn̐, chāritra hūn̐ aise jo bhedake vikalpa āte hain, vah vikalpa to bīchamen āye binā nahīn rahate. parantu vah vikalpa use vāstavik sādhan hotā hai yā bhed use vāstavikarūpase sādhan hotā hai, aisā nahīn hai.

sādhan to apanī pariṇati jo antaramense uchhalatī hai vahī usakā sādhan hai. parantu vah bīchamen ātā hai. vah bīchamen āye binā nahīn rahatā. jaise nimitta-upādānakā sambandha guru evan svayaṅkī deshanālabdhikā hai, vaise hī yah gnān hūn̐, darshan hūn̐, chāritra hūn̐, sādhanāmen aise bhedavikalpa āye binā nahīn rahate.

jo svānubhūti kare use jo dravya par dr̥uṣhṭi hai, use bhī aise bhed vikalpa bīchamen

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to hote haĩn. parantu us par vah rukatā nahī̃n. usakī dr̥uṣhṭi dravya par hai. vaise ruchivālā hai, usako vikalpa sab āte hain, parantu vah usamen rukatā nahī̃n. vāstavik sādhan to main dravya par dr̥uṣhṭi karake jo antaramense merī pariṇati pragaṭ ho, vahī merā vāstavik sādhan hai. parantu bīchamen use ruchike sāth ye sab-main chaitanya hūn̐, main gnān hūn̐ aisā abhyās āye binā rahatā nahī̃n. vah bīchamen amuk prakārase ātā hai.

jaise gurukā upadesh bīchamen hotā hī hai, vaise ye amuk jātake vikalpa shubh hain, vah bīchamen āte haĩn. main gnān hūn̐, darshan hūn̐, chāritra hūn̐, vah sab bhedavikalpa hai. lekin usakī dr̥uṣhṭi, main to ananta guṇakā piṇḍa chaitanya jo astitva (hai), jo chaitanya hūn̐ so hūn̐ astirūp, usamen vikalpa sādhan nahīn hotā. use vikalpa toḍanemen vikalpa sādhan nahīn hotā. nirvikalpakā sādhan vikalpa nahīn hotā. nirvikalpa dashākā sādhan svayam apanī pariṇati nirvikalparūp pariṇame, vah sādhan hai. parantu yah bīchamen āye binā nahīn rahatā. parantu use gnānamen aisā honā chāhiye ki yah vyavahār hai, yah vāstavik nahīn hai. usake gnānamen aisā honā chāhiye. use sarvasvatā nahīn mān lenī ki aisā karate-karate hogā. parantu usakī dr̥uṣhṭi astitva grahaṇ karane par honī chāhiye ki main merā astitva kaise grahaṇ karun? dr̥uṣhṭi us or honī chāhiye. parantu svabhāvakī khoj karanī ki yah gnān hai, darshan hai, aise khoj karaneke vichār use āye binā nahīn rahate.

mumukṣhuḥ- āye binā nahīn rahatā yah barābar hai, lekin usakī ruchi ho jāy to nishchay pragaṭ nahīn hotā na? kyoṅki vyavahār hai vah asatyārtha hai, abhūtārtha hai.

samādhānaḥ- usakī ruchi yānī usīmen aṭak jānā aisā to honā hī nahīn chāhiye. dr̥uṣhṭi to āge baḍhanekī honī chāhiye. usamen aṭak jānā aisā nahīn honā chāhiye. parantu vah to bīchamen ātā hai. āchāryadev kahate hain, ham āpako tīsarī bhūmikāmen jo amr̥utakumbh bhūmikāmen jāneko kahate hain, vahān̐ nīche-nīche mat giro. jo shuddha bhūmikāmen jāneko kahate hain, usamen shubh chhoḍakar ashubhamen jāneko nahīn kahate haĩn. parantu shuddhakī bhūmikāmen jāneko kahate haiaĩn. usamen bīchamen yah shubh to ātā hai, parantu vah sarvasva hai aisā nahīn mānanā. shuddha bhūmikā-amr̥utakumbh bhūmikā kaise pragaṭ ho, dr̥uṣhṭi vahān̐ honī chāhiye. ruchi to vahān̐ honī chāhiye. parantu ruchi vahān̐ hai. bīchamen ye sab jo vyavahār hai vah āye binā nahīn rahatā.

mumukṣhuḥ- ek antim prashna pūchhatā hūn̐ ki nirvikalpa aur savikalpa. to gnānīko nirvikalpapanā kitane samayamen ātā hai? kṣhayopashamavāleko ānā jarūrī hai. kṣhāyik samakitīko laḍāīke maidānamen jāy aur sāṭh hajār varṣha tak vāpas na āye to usamen

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bīchamen nirvikalpa dashā ātī hai? athavā kitanā samay nahīn āye to vah ṭik sake?

samādhānaḥ- usakī amuk jātakī dashā hotī hai us anusār ātī hai. kisīko jaldī āye, kisīko lambe samay bād āye. usakā nishchit nahīn hotā. kisīkī pariṇati ekadam sva-or muḍī huī ho to jaldī ātī hai, kisīkī pariṇati amuk kāyāmen rukā rahe to use amuk kālake bād ātī hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- usakī koī had hai? koī limiṭ hai ki do-chār-chhaḥ mahinemen jaise kaṣhāy palaṭā nahīn khāye.. chhaḥ mahinemen nirvikalpatā nahīn āye to gnānase chyut ho jāy?

samādhānaḥ- amuk samayamen ānā to chāhiye hī, aisā niyam to hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- aisā pūchhanā chāhate hain ki, pān̐ch-das sāl tak na āye, aisā ho sakatā hai?

samādhānaḥ- nahīn, aisā nahīn hotā. pān̐ch-das sāl tak nahīn āye aisā nahīn hotā.

mumukṣhuḥ- kṣhāyik samakitī jo laḍāīke maidānamen jāte hoṅge to unhen nirvikalpatā laḍāīke maidānamen āye?

samādhānaḥ- use pān̐ch-das sāl nikal jāy, pān̐ch sāl (nikal jāy) aisā nahīn banatā. laḍāīke maidānamen pariṇati palaṭ jāy to āye bhī. na āye aisā nahīn banatā. ek shrāvakakā ātā hai na? laḍāīmen baiṭhe-baiṭhe vichār palaṭ gaye to munipanā le lūn̐, aisā vichār āyā. loñch karatā hai us vakta. aisā ho jātā hai. laḍāīke maidānamen bhī antarmuhūrtamen bhāv palaṭ sakatā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- aur laḍāī kahān̐ chaubīs ghaṇṭe chalatī hai.

samādhānaḥ- chaubīs ghaṇṭe laḍāī thoḍe hī chalatī hai. do rājake kum̐var ghoḍe par baiṭhe the aur unhen vichār ā gayā ki ye kyā laḍāīke kārya? munipanākī bhāvanā hotī hai, antaramense ekadam parivartan ho jātā hai. āye hī nahīn aisā nahīn hotā.

vaise svānubhūti na āye aisā nahīn hotā. shāstramen usakā niyamit kāl ātā nahīn, parantu pān̐ch sāl jitane varṣha nahīn nikal jāte. use amuk mahinommen, amuk samayamen hī ātī hai, utanā lambā kāl nahīn lagatā. kitanoṅko to bahut jaldī ātī hai. gr̥uhasthāshramamen rahanevāle ho to bhī use itanā lambā kāl nahīn chalā jātā.

mumukṣhuḥ- merī charchā yah hai ki kṣhayopasham samakitīmen tāratamyatāke bhed paḍate hain, isaliye usamen to ānā jarūrī hai. parantu kṣhāyik samakitīko der bhī lage, usamen koī niyam nahīn hai.

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samādhānaḥ- nahīn, nahī̃n. kṣhāyikavāleko derase nahīn ātī, kṣhāyikavāleko jaldī ātī hai. kṣhayopashamavāleko jaldī āye aur kṣhāyikavāleko der lage, aisā nahīn banatā.

mumukṣhuḥ- aise koī parigrahamen paḍ gayā ho to der bhī lage.

samādhānaḥ- nahīn, nahī̃n. kṣhāyikavāleko der nahīn lagatī. bhale bāharase chāhe jitanā parigrah ho. kṣhāyikavālekī pariṇati to jyādā dr̥uḍh hai. use der nahīn lagatī.

mumukṣhuḥ- suratamen kuchh charchā huyī thī.

samādhānaḥ- kṣhāyikavāleko der nahīn lagatī.

mumukṣhuḥ- suratamen nahīn, pālanapuramen jo nagīnabhāī hai unhonne mujhe aise samajhāyā.

samādhānaḥ- nahīn, nahī̃n. kṣhayopashamavāleko jaldī āye aur kṣhāyikavāleke der lage aisā nahīn hotā.

mumukṣhuḥ- nahīn, kṣhāyikavāleko jaldī ho, parantu koī kṣhāyikavālā laḍāīke maidānamen gayā ho to der bhī lage, aisā ho sakatā hai.

samādhānaḥ- nahīn, nahī̃n. kṣhāyikavāleko derase nahīn hotī.

mumukṣhuḥ- samakit honekā mūl kāraṇ apanā upādān aur vyavahārase gnānīke prati arpaṇabuddhi nahīn āyī hai, aisā ho sakatā hai? dūsare sab vyavahārakā chhed kare to?

samādhānaḥ- mūl kāraṇ andar ātmasvabhāvakī or ruchikā palaṭā kare. to jise ātmākī ruchi hotī hai use, jinhonne pragaṭ kiyā aise guru par, dev-guru-shāstra par use arpaṇatā āye binā nahīn rahatī. use unakī mahimā āye binā nahīn rahatī. jo antaramen jāy, use sachche dev-guru par mahimā ātī hī hai. aisā nimitta-naimittik (sambandha hai). deshanālabdhikā jaisā sambandha hai, vaise antaramen jo ruchivālā hai use sachche dev- guru-shāstra hr̥udayamen āye binā nahīn rahate. phir bāhya kārya kyā bhaje, use kitanā sānnidhya mil vah ek alag bāt hai, parantu usake hr̥udayamen ā jāte haĩn. ... ruchi bhale apanī or jātī hai, parantu usake jo sādhan hain, jinhonne vah pragaṭ kiyā hai, usakī mahimā usake hr̥udayamen āye binā nahīn rahatī.

mumukṣhuḥ- mukhyamen mukhya sādhan gnānīke prati arpaṇabuddhi ānī, usamen sab samā jātā hai?

samādhānaḥ- mukhyamen mukhya sādhan gnānī par arpaṇātabuddhi parantu... arpaṇabuddhi nij chaitanyakī mahimāpūrvak honī chāhiye. mujhe chaitanya pragaṭ ho, aisī usakī buddhi honī chāhiye. aisā honā chāhiye. akelī arpaṇatāmen sarvasva mān le aur isamense hī mujhe sab hogā, aisī dr̥uṣhṭi nahīn honī chāhiye. ātmā-orakī ruchi, sarva vibhāvase mujhe nyārāpan ho,

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ātmākī ruchi to honī chāhiye. usake sāth arpaṇatā honī chāhiye. mukhya sādhan arpaṇatā, tattva vichār vah sab sādhan haĩn. antarakī virakti, andar vibhāvase, bāhya sanyogase virakti, vibhāv-orase virakti. ye vibhāv nahīn chāhiye. vibhāvakī virakti chāhiye. tattvakā vichār chāhiye, svabhāv kaise grahaṇ ho? aur svabhāv jisane grahaṇ kiyā aise dev-guru-shāstrakī orase mujhe mārga mile. ataḥ dev-guru-shāstrakī arpaṇatā āye. sab sāthamen hotā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- gnānīkī or arpaṇatā kiye binā gnān hotā nahīn, aisā shrīmadamen ātā hai na?

samādhānaḥ- gnānīkī or arpaṇatā kiye binā...?

mumukṣhuḥ- gnān hotā nahī̃n.

samādhānaḥ- vah satya hai. parantu vah aisā māne ki bāharakā mujhe kyā kām hai? main apaneāp samajh lūn̐gā. yadi aisī dr̥uṣhṭi ho to use gnān pariṇamatā nahī̃n. gnānī kyā kahate hain? gnānionne kyā mārga batāyā hai? usakā āshay samajhaneke liye utanī mahimā honī chāhiye. main merese samajhūn̐ aur nimittakā kyā kām hai? aisī dr̥uṣhṭi usakī ho to vah jūṭhā hai, to svachchhandabuddhi hai. mujhase samajhanā hai. gnānī kyā kahate hain? jinhonne mārga prāpta kiyā ve kyā kahate hain? aisī buddhi honī chāhiye. svayam apanese samajhatā nahīn hai to jinhonne mārga samajhā hai, un par use arpaṇatā āye binā nahīn rahatī.

mumukṣhuḥ- āpakī vāṇī sunate hain to itanī mudhar lagatī hai ki sunate hī rahẽn. kitanī bār to virah lagatā hai, āhā..! aisī bāt kahān̐ sunane milatī hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- āj to mātājīne bahut dhodh bahāyā. samādhānaḥ- ... nirvikalpa dashā amuk ho, aur kṣhāyikavāleko vaise ho, aisā niyam nahīn hotā.

prashamamūrti bhagavatī mātano jay ho! mātājīnī amr̥ut vāṇīno jay ho!

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