Benshreeni Amrut Vani Part 2 Transcripts-Hindi (simplified iso15919 transliteration). Track: 168.

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ભલે ગુરુવચન દ્વારા અસ્તિત્વ નક્કી કરે પણ ગ્રહણ તો પોતે જ પુરુષાર્થથી કરવાનો છે    0   Play
bhale guruvachan dvārā astitva nakkī kare paṇ grahaṇ to pote ja puruṣhārthathī karavāno chhe    0   Play

(જ્ઞાનીના વચન અનુસાર) નિર્ણય કરે પછી શું પ્રતીતિ આવી જાય છે?    2:30   Play
(gnānīnā vachan anusār) nirṇay kare pachhī shun pratīti āvī jāy chhe?    2:30   Play

જ્ઞાયક કહેતાં અનંતગુણ શું સાથે આવી જાય છે?    4:10   Play
gnāyak kahetān anantaguṇ shun sāthe āvī jāy chhe?    4:10   Play

અનંતગુણ ભલે લક્ષમાં ન આવે પણ જ્ઞાનીના વચન ઉપર વિશ્વાસ લાવી નક્કી કરવું તે વિષે....    4:50   Play
anantaguṇ bhale lakṣhamān na āve paṇ gnānīnā vachan upar vishvās lāvī nakkī karavun te viṣhe....    4:50   Play

કાર્ય ઉભયથી (ઉપાદાન-નિમિત્તથી) થયું તેમ કહેવાય?    5:40   Play
kārya ubhayathī (upādān-nimittathī) thayun tem kahevāy?    5:40   Play

જ્ઞાન બંધ મોક્ષનું કારણ નથી, સમ્યગ્દર્શન-જ્ઞાન-ચારિત્ર મોક્ષનું કારણ અને મિથ્યાદર્શન-જ્ઞાન-ચારિત્ર બંધનું કારણ ખરું?    7:45   Play
gnān bandh mokṣhanun kāraṇ nathī, samyagdarshan-gnān-chāritra mokṣhanun kāraṇ ane mithyādarshan-gnān-chāritra bandhanun kāraṇ kharun?    7:45   Play

શ્રેણીમાં એકત્વ-વિતર્ક અને પૃથક્ વિતર્ક એવા ભેદો પડે છે ત્યારે ઉપયોગાત્મકજ્ઞાન પરને જાણી રહ્યું છે અને તે જ્ઞાન આગળ વધીને મોક્ષને પામે છે તે કેવી રીતે?    9:25   Play
shreṇīmān ekatva-vitarka ane pr̥uthak vitarka evā bhedo paḍe chhe tyāre upayogātmakagnān parane jāṇī rahyun chhe ane te gnān āgaḷ vadhīne mokṣhane pāme chhe te kevī rīte?    9:25   Play

પ્રવચનસારમાં આવે છે કે ‘જ્યારે આત્મા શુભાશુભરૂપે પરિણમે છે તે કાળે તેનાથી તન્મય છે’ તે વિષે પ્રશ્ન છે    13:40   Play
pravachanasāramān āve chhe ke ‘jyāre ātmā shubhāshubharūpe pariṇame chhe te kāḷe tenāthī tanmay chhe’ te viṣhe prashna chhe    13:40   Play

(ઉપરના પ્રશ્નોના જવાબ સાથે સંબંધિત છે) જ્ઞાયક જુદો રહી ગયો.    17:55   Play
(uparanā prashnonā javāb sāthe sambandhit chhe) gnāyak judo rahī gayo.    17:55   Play

samādhānaḥ- .. bhale vachanonse, parantu puruṣhārtha to svayaṅko karanā paḍatā hai. gurudevane jo batāyā ki terā astitva aisā hai. us astitvako grahaṇ karaneke liye puruṣhārtha svayaṅko karanā paḍatā hai. vah kṣhaṇik astitva jo hai, utanā kṣhaṇik astitva nahīn hai. merā trikāl astitva hai. use grahaṇ to svayam karatā hai. jānatā hai bhale gnāniyoṅke vachanase jānatā hai, usakī mahimā use ātī hai ki merā astitva bhinna hī hai, mere chaitanyakī adabhutatā koī alag hai, merī anupamatā kuchh alag hai. vah sab gnāniyoṅke vachanase jānatā hai, usakā nirṇay karatā hai, parantu phir grahaṇ karanemen svayam puruṣhārtha karatā hai. apane puruṣhārthase hotā hai.

anubhav kar sakatā hai, vah svayam jo gnāyakatāko grahaṇ karake antaramen jātā hai, vah paryāy grahaṇ karatī hai. aur usamen svayam līnatā kare isaliye usakī anubhūti hotī hai. use grahaṇ kare aur usamen līnatā kare to anubhūti hotī hai. grahaṇ karatā hai. grahaṇ karake usamen līnatā kare. usamen līnatā, aisī dr̥uḍh līnatā kare aur usakī ugratā kare to use svānubhūti hotī hai.

bhale gnānīke vachan hon, usamen nimitta hote hain gnānīke vachana. anādi kālase svayanne jānā nahīn hai. gnānīke vachan to usamen nimitta hote haĩn. anādi kālase svayanne jānā nahīn hai, usamen pahale to use dev yā guruke vachan sunane mile to svayaṅkī antaramen taiyārī hotī hai. chaitanyake koī apūrva sanskār, aisī deshanā labdi pragaṭ hotī hai. lekin gnāniyoṅke vachan bhale hī hain, lekin antarase taiyārī svayaṅko karanī paḍatī hai. puruṣhārtha svayaṅko karanā hai. gnāniyon jo kahate hain, use svayam nakkī karatā hai. gurudev jo kahate hain, yah vastukā svarūp koī apūrva mārga hai. chaitanya koī apūrva hai, adbhut hai. ve jo kahate hain usakā svayam andarase vishvās karatā hai. svayam antarase nakkī karatā hai ki yah barābar hai. ye jo mārga gurudev kahate hain, vaisā hī mārga hotā hai aur aisā hī hotā hai. is prakār svayam apane gnānase pahale nakkī karatā hai. vah svayam nishchay karake antaramen jātā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- nakkī karatā hai arthāt pratīti ā jātī hai yā nirṇay karanā paḍatā

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hai.

samādhānaḥ- aisī pratīti, vah svayam nirṇay karatā hai, apane puruṣhārthase nirṇay karatā hai. pahale aisā nirṇay hotā hai, bādamen antaramen jātā hai. pahale nirṇay kare ki yah aise hī hai. shāstramen bhī aisā ātā hai, svayam apaneāp nakkī karatā hai ki vastu aise hī hai. aise nirṇay karake phir matignān, shrutagnān ādi sab chaitanyakī or muḍatā hai. phir usake vikalpa ṭūṭate haĩn. gnānīpuruṣhake vachanase svayam nakkī karatā hai. vishvās svayaṅko karanā hai. vachan gnāniyoṅke, lekin vishvās kaun karatā hai? vishvās to svayam karatā hai. vishvās svayaṅko karanā hai. apane buddhibalase svayam nakkī karatā hai. us prakārakī svayam ruchi karatā hai, vishvās svayam karatā hai, nakkī karatā hai. pahale buddhise aise nakkī karatā hai.

shāstramen ātā hai na? vah vastra oḍhakar so gayā. use kahate hain, ye terā vastra nahīn hai. lekin vah svayam lakṣhaṇase nakkī karatā hai ki vāstavamen yah (merā) nahīn hai. isaliye chhoḍ detā hai. guru to bārambār kahe ki yah terā nahīn hai, ye tū nahīn hai. tū bhinna hai. ye vikalpa tū nahīn hai, sharīr tū nahīn hai, kṣhaṇik paryāyamātra tū nahīn hai. aisā bārambār kahe. lekin nakkī svayam karatā hai. vāstavamen guru jo yah kahate hain vah barābar hai. guruke vachan to bīchamen hote hī hain, parantu taiyārī svayaṅko karanī paḍatī hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- gnāyak kahane par ananta guṇ to ā gaye.

samādhānaḥ- ananta guṇ usamen sāthamen ā jāte haĩn. gnāyak koī aisī gnāyakatā hai ki ananta guṇonse bharī gnāyakatā hai. apanā astitva ananta guṇonse bharī gnāyakatā hai. gnāyakatāmen astitva, vastutva ādi sab ananta-ananta shaktiyān̐ usamen ā jātī hai. gnāyakatā ānandase bharī hai. gnāyakatā shāntise (bharī hai). kitane hī guṇ vachanamen nahīn āte, aisī ananta shaktiyonse bharī gnāyakatā hai.

... lakṣhyamen bhale na āve, lekin usakī mahimā āve. vichārase nakkī kar sakatā hai. gnānī par vishvās rakhanā barābar hai, gnānīne hī sab kar diyā. bhale svayam kahe ki prabhu! āpane kiyā aur āpakā upakār hai. āpane hī sab kiyā, ham kuchh nahīn jānate the. āpane hī mārga darshāyā. lekin aisā kahakar ve kar dete hain, aisā nahīn, karanā svayaṅko paḍatā hai.

ananta shaktiyān̐ bhale gurudev batāve ki terā ātmā koī agādh mahimāse bharā hai. lekin usakī pratīt svayaṅko karanī paḍatī hai. svayam pratīt karatā hai ki barābar hai. ananta guṇ kahīn dikhāī nahīn dete, parantu vah svayam nakkī karatā hai, vishvās karatā hai.

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mumukṣhuḥ- kārya ubhayase huā aisā kahanemen āye. gnānīpuruṣhake vachanase aur jīvake puruṣhārthase.

mumukṣhuḥ- kārya to svayanne hī kiyā na. gnānīne thoḍe hī kiyā hai. upādānaḥ- nimitta kahanemen āye. gurudevane kar diyā aisā kahanemen āye. karanā paḍatā hai svayaṅko. ananta kālamen svayam rakhaḍā hai. guruko pahichānā nahīn hai, bhagavānako pahichānā nahīn hai, svayam rakhaḍā hai. mile to bhī pahichānā nahīn hai, apane doṣhake kāraṇa. is pañchamakālamen guru mile aur vāṇī svayam grahaṇ kare, apūrvatā lage to apūrvatā jāgr̥ut hotī hai. unakī vāṇīmen to prabal nimitta (thā), unakī vāṇīkā nimitta to prabal hī hai, sabake liye prabal hai. lekin taiyārī svayaṅko karanī paḍatī hai.

unakā upakār amāp hai, lekin puruṣhārtha svayaṅko karanā paḍatā hai. gurudev hī aisā kahate the ki tū kar to hogā.

mumukṣhuḥ- shashībhāīne bahut achchhī..

samādhānaḥ- svādhīnatāse hotā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- sabako gurudevane..

samādhānaḥ- sabako gurudevane dr̥uṣhṭi dī. terā dravya svatantra hai, pratyek dravya svatantra hai. tū terā puruṣhārtha kara. lekin karanevālā gurukā upakār māne binā rahe nahī̃n. karanevāleko upakārabuddhi āye binā rahe nahī̃n.

mumukṣhuḥ- kare svayam, phir bhī.

samādhānaḥ- phir bhī kahe, gurudev! āpane kiyā. āchāyā bhī aisā kahẽn. āchāyā bhī shāstrommen aisā hī kahate haĩn.

mumukṣhuḥ- paramaguruke anugrahase.

samādhānaḥ- hān̐, hamāre guruke anugrahase vaibhav pragaṭ huā. kundakundādi āchārya na hue hote to ham jaise pāmarakā kyā huā hotā? aisā gurudev kahate haĩn. aise guru aise pañchamakālamen padhāre to sabako upakār huā, nahīn to kyā hotā? gurudev padhāre to sabako mārga spaṣhṭa karake batāyā.

mumukṣhuḥ- gnān mokṣhakā kāraṇ nahīn hai, punaḥ samyagdarshan-gnān-chāritrāṇī mokṣhamārgaḥ. to mithyādarshan-gnān-chāritrāṇī bandhamārgaḥ, aisā?

samādhānaḥ- mithyādarshan, gnān, chāritrako bandhakā mārga kahate hī haĩn. lekin mukhya usamen mithyādarshan hai na. mithyādarshanake kāraṇ gnānamen mithyāpan kahanemen ātā hai. darshan mithyā yānī gnān mithyā aur chāritra mithyā hai. usakī dr̥uṣhṭi ūlaṭī hai, isaliye ācharaṇ bhī mithyā aur gnān bhī mithyā. darshanake kāraṇ donommen usamen mithyāpanā lāgū paḍatā

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hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- darshanake kāraṇ donommen mithyāpanā lāgū paḍatā hai. parantu svatantra donoṅkā dekhā jāy to? gnān aur chāritra svatantra guṇakī apekṣhāse len to...?

samādhānaḥ- lekin use viparītatā ho gayī hai na. jānanemen viparītatā ā gayī hai. doṣh hai, gnānamen doṣh hai. darshanake kāraṇ doṣh, parantu doṣh usamen hai, chāritramen bhī doṣh hai. usakā kāraṇ, usakā mukhya kāraṇ mithyādarshan hai. lekin usamen svayammen bhī doṣh hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- hān̐, kyoṅki amuk bār aisā ātā hai ki gnān bandha-mokṣhakā kāraṇ nahīn hai. aur phir in donoṅkā..

samādhānaḥ- gnān yānī jānanā vah bandhakā kāraṇ nahīn hai. lekin mithyā-viparīt jāne vah to nukasān hai na. vah to doṣh hai. jāne, bāhar upayog jāya. jāne usamen vikalpa āye, rāg hai vah doṣhakā kāraṇ hai. parantu usamen mithyā-jūṭh jāne vah to doṣh hī hai, viparīt jānatā hai vah to.

mumukṣhuḥ- to phir shreṇimen mātājī! ekatva, .. aise jo bhed shreṇimen paḍate hain, us vakta upayogātmak gnān bhī parako jān rahā hai, phir bhī vah gnān āge baḍhakar mokṣhako prāpta karatā hai. to us vakta use us gnānamen...?

samādhānaḥ- vah abuddhipūrvak hai na, use buddhipūrvak nahīn hai. abuddhipūrvak rāg hai. kṣhayopashamagnān hai na. dravya-guṇ-paryāyamen vikalpa jo phiratā hai, usamen gnān phiratā hai usake sāth abuddhipūrvak vikalpa bhī hai. utanā abuddhipūrvakakā rāg bhī hai. isaliye vahān̐ kevalagnān hotā nahī̃n.

mumukṣhuḥ- utanā doṣh hai.

samādhānaḥ- vah doṣh hai. gnān phire... vahān̐ sāthamen abuddhipūrvakakā vikalpa hai. gnān adhūrā hai. ek gneyase dūsare gneyamen phiratā hai, vah gnānamen khaṇḍa-khaṇḍa hotā hai. utanā vikalpake kāraṇ hai. sāthamen vikalpa ātā hai. kṣhayopasham-adhūrā gnān ho usamen sāthamen vikalpa ātā hai. samyaggnānīko gnānamen doṣh nahīn hai, parantu sāthamen vikalpa ātā hai vah use doṣh hotā hai. samyaggnānīkā gnān samyak hai. usakā gnān samyak hai, parantu sāthamen vikalpa hai vah doṣh hai. mithyādr̥uṣhṭiko to darshanake kāraṇ gnān mithyā hai. isaliye use gnānamen bhī viparītatā ā jātī hai. jānanā vah doṣh nahīn hai. lekin use viparīt jānatā hai vah doṣh hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- agnān dashāmen utanā aparādh hai.

samādhānaḥ- shraddhāke kāraṇ jānanemen viparītatā hai. chāritra bhī mithyā hai.

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mumukṣhuḥ- gnān honeke bād vikalpa hai, usakā aparādh hai.

samādhānaḥ- hān̐, vikalpakā. khaṇḍa-khaṇḍa gnān hai, gnān khaṇḍa-khaṇḍa ho usake sāth vikalpa hai. kṣhayopasham gnānīko vikalpa sāthamen hotā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- parako jānanā..

samādhānaḥ- parako jānanā chhoḍanā aise nahīn, lekin svasanmukh dr̥uṣhṭi kara. tū svayaṅko jāna. svaparaprakāshak sahaj gnāt ho jāy vah (alag bāt hai). lekin tū tere ātmāko jān, aisā kahanā hai. jānanā chhoḍanā aise nahīn, usakī viparītatā chhoḍa. yathārtha jāna. viparīt jānanā chhoḍa. yathārtha ātmākā svarūp jān isaliye sab yathārtha hī āyegā. ātmā to svaparaprakāshak usakā svarūp hai. tū sva-or upayog kar, aisā kahanā hai.

... bandhakī avasthā, vibhāv avasthā, gnāyak jāne to bhī gnāyak to gnāyak hī hai. pramatta-apramattakī avasthāmen gnāyak to gnāyak hī hai. gnāyak par dr̥uṣhṭi karanī. dr̥uṣhṭikī pradhānatāse kahate haĩn. kisī bhī avasthāmen gnāyak to gnāyak hī hai. pramatta- apramatta vibhāvakī avasthā, sādhakakī avasdhā, sādhakakī adhūrī avasthāmen gnāyak to gnāyak hī hai. gnāyak sva-paraprakāshaka. gnāyak parako jāne to bhī gnāyakako kahīn ashuddhatā nahīn ātī, gnāyak to gnāyak hai. jāne isaliye ashuddhatā nahīn ātī. gnāyak to gnāyak pratyek avasthāmen rahatā hai. vastu sthiti gnāyakakī.. pragaṭ huā to bhī gnāyak gnāyak hai. sādhak avasthāmen bhī gnāyak to gnāyak hī hai. gnāyak par dr̥uṣhṭi karanī, aisā.

.. avasthā par hamārī dr̥uṣhṭi nahīn hai, parantu dr̥uṣhṭi hamārī gnāyak par hai. gnāyak vah to gnāyak hī hai. gnāyak to shuddha, shuddha gnāyak vah gnāyak hai. koī bhī avasthāmen gnāyak to gnāyak hī hai. pramatta-apramatta avasthāmen bhī gnāyak to gnāyak hī hai. ... jitanā nahīn hai. gnāyak to pūrṇa avasthā ho to bhī gnāyak to gnāyak hī hai. us gnāyak par dr̥uṣhṭi karane jaisī hai. gnātādhārākī avasthāmen gnāyak gnāyak hī hai. anādiananta gnāyak gnāyak hī hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- pravachanasāramen aisā kahā ki ... rāgarūp hai aur ashubh pariṇāmake samay ashubharūp hai, us vakta ātmā tanmay hai.

samādhānaḥ- vah apekṣhā alag hai. yahān̐ to dravya par dr̥uṣhṭi karanī, dravyakī pradhānatāse bāt hai. dravyadr̥uṣhṭikī pradhānatāse bāt hai. dravya anādiananta shuddha hī hai. us dravya par dr̥uṣhṭi karanī. chāhe kisī bhī avasthāmen gnāyak gnāyak hī hai. gnāyakamen,.. paryāyake kāraṇ gnāyakamen ashuddhatā nahīn ātī, aisā kahate haĩn. aur yahān̐ kahate hain ki jo paryāy hotī hai, vah paryāy kahīn ūpar-ūpar alag nahīn hai, dravya us rūp pariṇamatā hai, aisā kahanekā āshay hai. pravachanasāramẽn. ashuddhatākī avasthāmen terā dravya usamen pariṇamatā hai,

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aisā kahate haĩn. vah jaḍ nahīn hai. vahān̐ dūsarī apekṣhāse bāt hai. yahān̐ dūsarī apekṣhāse bāt hai.

anādiananta shāshvat dravya jaisā hai vaisā hai. aise dravyako pahichāna. phir sādhak avasthāmen vah gnāyak to gnāyak hī hai. pragaṭ huā vah gnāyaka. gnāyakakī pariṇati pragaṭ huyī, gnāyak gnāyak hī hai. adhūrī avasthā jitanā gnāyak nahīn hai. isaliye dr̥uṣhṭi gnāyak par karanī. lekin vahān̐ aisā kahate hain ki jo paryāy... paryāyakā gnān kara. lekin vah ashuddhatā terā svabhāv nahīn hai. parantu vah paryāy terī avasthā hai. paryāy jaḍakī nahīn hai, vahān̐ aisā kahanekā āshay hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- dravya tanmay nahīn hai.

samādhānaḥ- tanmay kahen, vyavahārase tanmay kahalātā hai. vāstavik dravyakā svabhāv usamen palaṭakar kahīn dravya us rūp nahīn ho jātā. to-to shuddha hove hī nahī̃n. vastu svabhāvase dravya shuddha hai, parantu paryāyamen use ashuddhatā kahanemen āye. vyavahārase ashuddhatā kahanemen āye. bilakūl nahīn huā ho to jaḍamen hī hotā hai aisā nahīn hai. to svayaṅko puruṣhārtha karake ṭālanā nahīn rahatā. tanmay hotā hai, vah vyavahārase tanmay kahanemen ātā hai. pravachanasāramen us apekṣhāse bāt hai.

aisā tanmay nahīn hai ki usamense bilakūl bhinna hī na paḍe. jaise barpha aur shītalatā, usakā svabhāv hī (tanmay hai). vaise usakā gnānasvabhāv alag nahīn paḍatā aisā tanmay hai. us prakārase vibhāv tanmay nahīn hai. parantu vah tanmay hai, vyavahārase tanmay kahanemen āye. kyoṅki us rūp vah pariṇamā hai, vartamānamen us rūp pariṇamā hai isaliye. isaliye use vyavahārase tanmay kahanemen ātā hai. pravachanasāramen vah kahate haiaĩn. donon apekṣhāen̐ bhinna- bhinna haĩn. vahān̐ paryāy teremen hotī hai, aisā kahate haĩn. yahān̐ kahate hain, us paryāyake svarūp par dr̥uṣhṭi nahīn karake, tū gnāyak hai, us par dr̥uṣhṭi kara. paryāyake pheraphār ho, us par dr̥uṣhṭi nahīn karake, tū gnāyak so gnāyak hai, aisī shuddhatāse bharā shuddha gnāyak hai. vahān̐ aisā kahate haĩn. paryāyakī ashuddhatā teremen ātī nahī̃n.

isaliye tū dravyadr̥uṣhṭi pragaṭ kar, bhedagnān pragaṭ kar, to hī muktikā mārga prārambh hotā hai. isaliye aisā nahīn kahanā hai ki vah paryāy jaḍamen hotī hai. paryāy jaḍamen hotī hai aise nahīn, terī paryāy, terī chaitanyakī paryāyamen tere puruṣhārthakī mandatāse hotā hai. usakā gnān kara. lekin dr̥uṣhṭi to gnāyakakī shuddhatā kaisī hai, yah batāte hain vahā̃n. aisī pariṇati ho to hī svānubhūti ho, to hī muktikā mārga prārambh ho. lekin paryāy jaḍamen hotī ho to puruṣhārtha karanā kahān̐ rahatā hai? paryāyamen vah ashuddhatā hai aur use ṭālakar shuddha paryāy pragaṭ hotī hai. vah palaṭakar shuddha paryāy pragaṭ hotī hai. shuddhatā

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tere dravyamen bharī hai, usamense shuddhaparyāy pragaṭ hotī hai.

.. pramatta-apramatta dashāmen gnāyak so gnāyak hai. chhaṭhaven-sātaven guṇasthānamen jhulate haĩn. antaramen svānubhūti ānandamen līn hote hain, bāhar āte haĩn. us dashāmen jhulate-jhulate kahate hain, gnāyak to gnāyak hai. donon avasthāmen gnāyak vah gnāyak hī hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- gnāyak bhinna rah gayā? samādhānaḥ- avasthā bhinna, avasthākā svarūp alag aur gnāyak dravyakā svarūp alag hai, aisā batāte haĩn. paryāy-or lakṣhya.... paryāy apanemen hotī hai. parantu dravyadr̥uṣhṭise paryāy apanī nahīn hai, aisā dravyadr̥uṣhṭise kahate haĩn. apanī nahīn hai isakā matalab jaḍamen hotī hai, aisā nahīn hai. vah anādiananta shāshvat dravya hai. paryāy to kṣhaṇik hai. aisā kahate haĩn. hotī to hai chaitanyakī paryāy, jaḍakī nahīn hotī.

prashamamūrti bhagavatī mātano jay ho! mātājīnī amr̥ut vāṇīno jay ho!

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