Benshreeni Amrut Vani Part 2 Transcripts-Hindi (simplified iso15919 transliteration). Track: 178.

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રુચિ વધે તો પુરુષાર્થ થાય તે વિષે    0   Play
ruchi vadhe to puruṣhārtha thāy te viṣhe    0   Play

છઠ્ઠી ગાથામાં જ્ઞાયકદેવ કહ્યો તેને પ્રાપ્ત કરવા શું કરવું?    1:30   Play
chhaṭhṭhī gāthāmān gnāyakadev kahyo tene prāpta karavā shun karavun?    1:30   Play

સમાધાન થઈ જાય તેવો માર્ગ બતાવો    2:55   Play
samādhān thaī jāy tevo mārga batāvo    2:55   Play

સમ્યગ્દર્શન-જ્ઞાન-ચારિત્ર મોક્ષમાર્ગ છે, જ્ઞાન-દર્શન તો વાંચન અને સત્સમાગમથી મેળવી શકાય ...... પણ ચારિત્ર છે તેના ઉપર આપણે ત્યાં ઓછો ભાર આપવામાં આવે છે    5:50   Play
samyagdarshan-gnān-chāritra mokṣhamārga chhe, gnān-darshan to vāñchan ane satsamāgamathī meḷavī shakāy ...... paṇ chāritra chhe tenā upar āpaṇe tyān ochho bhār āpavāmān āve chhe    5:50   Play

પૂજ્ય ગુરુદેવશ્રી અને આપ બે વ્યકિત એવા છો કે જેમણે સિદ્ધિ કરી છે...આ વાત આ સમાજ માને છે તેનાથી બીજા માણસોને અસર થવી જોઈએ.....પણ તે દેખાતી નથી તે વિષે આપને કંઈક લાગે છે? (સારાંશ)    11:50   Play
pūjya gurudevashrī ane āp be vyakit evā chho ke jemaṇe siddhi karī chhe...ā vāt ā samāj māne chhe tenāthī bījā māṇasone asar thavī joīe.....paṇ te dekhātī nathī te viṣhe āpane kanīk lāge chhe? (sārānsh)    11:50   Play

જૈન ધર્મમાં એટલા બધા ફાંટા થઈ ગયા છે તેથી જુવાનિયાને ખબર પડતી નથી કે જૈન ધર્મ શું છે?    13:50   Play
jain dharmamān eṭalā badhā phāṇṭā thaī gayā chhe tethī juvāniyāne khabar paḍatī nathī ke jain dharma shun chhe?    13:50   Play

જીવ અનાદિથી અશુદ્ધ છે તો તે શુદ્ધ કઈ રીતે થઈ શકે?    16:35   Play
jīv anādithī ashuddha chhe to te shuddha kaī rīte thaī shake?    16:35   Play

બીજા ધર્મથી શું આ જુદી વાત છે?    19:35   Play
bījā dharmathī shun ā judī vāt chhe?    19:35   Play

samādhānaḥ- .. ātmā hai aisā andar lage to puruṣhārtha ho. usakī mahimā lage to. usakā svabhāv pahichānanekā prayatna karanā. chāron pahalūse samajhāyā hai, kahīn kisīko bhūl rahe aisā nahīn hai. lagan lagāne jaisā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- .. sahaj shurū ho jātā hai?

samādhānaḥ- ruchi baḍhe, usakā puruṣhārtha kare, pahachānanekā prayatna kare to hotā hai. ruchi baḍhe to prayatna ho. antaramen aisā laganā chāhiye ki koī apūrva vastu hai. ye sab apūrva nahīn hai. ye to ananta kālase bahut bār milā hai. ek ātmā nahīn prāpta nahīn huā. ātmā apūrva hai, aisī apūrvatā lage to prayatna ho.

gurudev apūrvatā batāte the. unakī vāṇīmen ātmā koī apūrva hai aisā hī ātā thā. usakā bhedagnān karake ātmāko bhinna pahachān lenā. ātmā shāshvat hai. janma-maraṇ kare to bhī ātmā to svayam shāshvat hai. deh nahīn hai, ātmāko janma-maraṇ kuchh nahīn hai. ātmā vibhāvase bhī bhinna hai. janma-maraṇ kahān̐ ātmāko hai? ātmā ānandase bharā hai, gnāyak svarūp hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- chhaṭhṭhī gāthāmen jo gnāyakadev kahā. gnāyakadevako prāpta karaneke liye hamen kyā karanā?

samādhānaḥ- usakī bhāvanā karanī, usakī lagan karanī, usakī mahimā karanī. usako pahachānanekā, svabhāv grahaṇ karanekā prayatna karanā. ātmā pragnāse grahaṇ karanā, pragnāse bhinna karanā. pragnāse karake antaramen līnatā karanī, vahī gurudevane mārga batāyā hai. ātmāmen ekāgratā karanī. vah na ho to tab tak usakī lagan, usakī mahimā, usakā abhyās, bārambār chintavan, manan, shāstrakā chintavan karanā, manan karanā vah karanā.

ātmā to shāshvat ānandase bharā hai. usakā vichār karanā. gurudevane koī apūrva aur adbhut mārga batāyā hai aur ātmā adbhut svarūp hai. bārambār usakā abhyās karanā. sār vastu ātmā hī hai. bākī sab jagatamen prāpta ho gayā hai, ek ātmā apūrva hai, vah nahīn milā hai. usakā prayatna karanā. aur aise guru mile apūrva mārga batānevāle, isaliye apūrva ātmāko grahaṇ karanekā prayatna karanā.

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mumukṣhuḥ- .. phirase vahīn pahun̐ch jāte haĩn. usakā koī mārga batāīye.

samādhānaḥ- badal denā, bārambār badal denā. bārambār upayog palaṭakar gurudevane jo kahā hai, usīkā manan, usīkā chintavan, vahī karanā. ātmā apane svabhāvase shāshvat rahanevālā, usakā svabhāv shāshvat dhruv, usakā utpād-vyay sab usamen hai. dūsare paradravyake paradravyamen haĩn. usase bhinna-nyārā hai. use pahachān lenā. sanyog parase dr̥uṣhṭi uṭhākar antaramen dr̥uṣhṭi karanā. antarako dekhanekī antarachakṣhuko pragaṭ karanā. bāhya chakṣhuse nahīn dikhegā.

mumukṣhuḥ- .. vyaktiko vah karanā chāhiye, aisā main mānatā hū̃n. parantu andaramense sthir nahīn huā jātā. āp koī rāstā batāyeṅge?

samādhānaḥ- ātmāko grahaṇ karake antaramen.. gaharī guphā yānī chaitanyatattvako pahichāna. usakā svabhāv pahachānakar andar līnatā kare to jā sakatā hai. puruṣhārthakī mandatā ho to jā nahīn sakatā. puruṣhārthakī ugratā ho to jā sakatā hai. ātmāko pīchhānanā ki ātmā kaun?

pahale bhedagnān kare ki ye sharīr bhinna aur ātmā bhinna. vibhāvasvabhāv apanā nahīn hai. aise bhedagnān kare. chaitanyatattvako pahale nyārā-bhinna pahachāne ki main chaitanyatattva bhinna hū̃n. main gnāyak svabhāv, ānanda svabhāvase bharā huā ek tattva hū̃n. us tattvako barābar antaramense grahaṇ karake phir usamen līnatā kare to usamen jā sakatā hai. pahale amuk prakārase jā sakatā hai, kyoṅki amuk prakārakī pahale ekatvabuddhi ṭūṭatī hai. bhedagnān hotā hai ki main bhinna hūn̐ aur yah vibhāvasvabhāv bhinna hai. usakā bhedagnān karake usamen ekāgratā kare, dhyān kare to usamen use shānti aur ānanda prāpta hotā hai. parantu jab tak amuk prakārase asthiratā ho to vah bāhar ātā hai. parantu bārambār-bārambār usamen jānekā abhyās kare to jā sakatā hai. puruṣhārtha kare.

pahale ātmākā astitva grahaṇ kare. to usamen sthir ho. astitva grahaṇ kiye binā sthir kahān̐ hogā? isaliye pahale apanā astitva grahaṇ kare ki main yah chaitanya gnāyakatattva so main hū̃n. is prakār usakā astitva barābar grahaṇ ho to usamen sthiratā ho, to usamen dhyān ho.

mumukṣhuḥ- dūsarī ek bāt yah hai ki darshan, gnān, chāritra ye tīn vastu mokṣhakā mārga hai. darshan aur gnāna. to vāñchan, satsamāgam aur us prakārase ātmāko prāpta kar sakate haĩn. bāhya rītase arthāt main aisā kahatā hūn̐ ki āgamake vāñchanase, shāstroṅke vāñchanase aur satpuruṣhoṅke samāgamase vah ho sakatā hai. aur chāritra hai.. apane yahān̐ mujhe aisā lagā hai ki chāritra par kam vajan diyā jātā hai.

samādhānaḥ- yathārtha samyagdarshan aur gnān prāpta nahīn huā hai. chāritra yānī bāharakī

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mātra kriyāen̐ bahut bār kī hai. kriyā karī, sab tyāg kiyā, chhoḍ diyā aisā jīvane anek bār kiyā. aur muni banakar jaṅgalamen rahā. parantu yadi ātmākā gnān nahīn huā hai to aisī kriyā karake, shubhabhāv karake devalok prāpta huā, bahut milā parantu bhavakā abhāv nahīn huā.

ataḥ gurudevane aisā mārga batāte the ki tū yathārtha apūrva ātmā hai, use pahachāna. usako pahachānakar andar jo chāritra pragaṭ hogā vah yathārtha antaramense hogā. bāhya kriyā aur bāhya chāritra tūne ananta bār kiyā hai. aur karake naumvī graiveyak gayā hai, devalokamẽn. parantu bhavakā abhāv yā ātmākī prāpti, samyagdarshan prāpta nahīn huā. isaliye tū ātmāko pīchhāna. antaramen samyagdarshan aur gnān bhī bāharase nahīn ātā hai. usake samajhaneke liye dev-guru-shāstrakā sānnidhya hote hain, usake nimitta hote hain, parantu karanā to svayaṅko paḍatā hai. mātra bāharakā gnān vah koī gnān nahīn hai, vah to visheṣh jānaneke liye, shāstragnān ātmāko pīchhānaneke liye bīchamen vah shāstragnān hotā hai.

nishchay to antaramen ātmāko pahachāne, antaramen ātmāko bhinna karake samyagdarshan (pragaṭ kare). main yah chaitanya hūn̐, yah main nahīn hūn̐, aise svayam bhedagnān kare, usakā gnān kare. antaramen ātmāko pahachāne vah gnān aur ātmākī svānubhūti ho vah darshana. aise darshan aur gnān ananta kālamen prāpta nahīn hue. isaliye usakī mukhyatā rakhakar darshan, gnān antaramense kaise prāpta ho, vah yadi antaramense prāpta ho vah apūrva vastu hai, to usamen chāritra yathārtha ātā hai. aur vah chāritra use antaramen sahaj puruṣhārthase aise prāpta hotā hai ki antaramen svānubhūti aisī prāpta ho ki kṣhaṇ-kṣhaṇamen antaramen chalā jāy, bāhar rukanā bhī use mushkil ho jāya. phir use gr̥uhasthāshram bhī suhātā nahīn, isaliye vah muni banakar chalā jātā hai. is prakār antaramen svānubhūtimen bārambār jhulate-jhulate aisī chāritradashā prāpta hotī hai. aur vahī vāstavik chāritra hai.

vartamānamen jo bāten karate hain, ātmā koī apūrva hai, usakī prāpti kaise ho usakī bāten chalatī hai. kyoṅki chāritradashā bāharase kriyākā tyāg to anek bār huā hai. parantu antaramen jo apūrvatā ātmākī laganī chāhiye vah lagī nahī̃n. isaliye darshan, gnānako mukhyatā kī, usakā kāraṇ yah hai ki usase bhavakā abhāv hotā hai. phikṣhar chāritra jo ātā hai vah yathārtha chāritra ātā hai. mātra bāharakā chāritra ananta kālamen bahut bār kiyā hai.

aur ye jo darshan aur gnān hai, usake sāth amuk jātakā chāritra svarūpācharaṇ to ātā hai. jise antaramen ātmā ruche use bāharakā ruchatā nahī̃n. use antaramense virakti ā jātī hai. bāharakā sab kārya kare to usakā maryādit hotā hai. usake kaṣhāy ādi

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sab bāharakā maryādit ho jātā hai. vah ekatvabuddhi tanyamatāse vah nahīn karatā hai, usakā ras, ruchi ṭūṭ jātā hai. use ātmākī hī ruchi lagatī hai ki ye kuchhakarane jaisā nahīn hai. use upādey nahīn lagatā hai. ātmāko hī aṅgīkār karanā, aisī usakī antarakī ruchi badal jātī hai.

isaliye pahale mukhya samyagdarshan ātmākī svānubhūti ho to usamen yathārtha chāritra ātā hai. aur vah chāritra, sachchā munipanā aur sachchā kevalagnān usamense pragaṭ hotā hai. bāhya kriyā to bahut bār kī hai. ananta kālamen aise veṣh dhāraṇ kar liyā. abhī dekho to tyāg lekar bahut log nīkal paḍate haĩn. parantu antaramen ātmāko pahachāne binā mātra bāhya kriyā, mātra shāstrase bole. abhī jo bolate hain, ātmā kaise prāpta ho? usakī sab bāten chalatī haĩn. aur shāstrakī vah bāten karatā hai. antaramen karanā (hai). kyoṅki samyagdarshan prāpta karanā vah bhī durlabh hai. isaliye usakā puruṣhārtha karaneke liye usakī bhāvanā, usakā puruṣhārtha, usakī lagan aur antaramen sab use niḥsār lage. sārabhūt ātmā hai. ruchi palaṭ jātī hai.

antaramense use tyāg ho jātā hai. antarakā tyāga. phir bāharakā tyāg āte-āte vah to usakā jaisā puruṣhārtha ho, vaisā ho. samyagdarshan jise prāpta ho, usamen kisīko turanta chāritra ā jāy, kisīko der lage. koī chakravartī gr̥uhasthāshramamen ho use bāharase chāritra na ho to chāritra ānemen der lage. parantu antaramense bhinna hī hote haĩn. phir chāritra āye tab chhoḍakar chale jāte haĩn. antaramense svānubhūtikī dashā aisī prāpta ho jāy ki sab chhūṭ jātā hai. aisā hotā hai. aur vah sachchā munipanā hai.

aisā to chakravartī chhoḍakar chale jāte hain, tīrthaṅkar chhoḍakar chale jāte haĩn. parantu vah antarakā chāritra ātā hai ki jisase bhavakā abhāv hotā hai. bāhya tyāgase to kyā? aise shubhabhāv to bahut bār kiyā hai aur puṇyabandha huā aur devalokamen gayā. usase bhavakā abhāv nahīn hotā. isaliye gurudevane mukhya mārga batāyā hai ki bhavakā abhāv kaise ho?

mumukṣhuḥ- bahinashrī! gurudev, āp kadāchit āp do hī vyakti aisī hain ki jinhonne kuchh siddhi kī hai. to vartamānamen jitane bhī log is viṣhayako mānate hain, usamense dūsare logoṅko asar honī chāhiye. lohemense pārasamaṇi honā chāhiye. us dr̥uṣhṭise apane vichār kare to abhī jo asar huyī hai, us viṣhayamen āpake kyā vichār hain? isakī asar, vichāraṇā,... dharma hai vah vichāraṇā hai, aur yah vichāraṇā jo mahārāj sāhabane kī hai, usakī asar andar ūtarakar samājamen dekhen to koī khās visheṣh huyī ho aisā āpako lagatā hai? kyoṅki... milate hoṅge.

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samādhānaḥ- gurudev to mārga batāye. jo sādhanā karate hain vah mārga batāte haĩn. usamen jisakī jitanī yogyatā ho us anusār asar hotī hai. dūsarā koī tīre yā na tīre, sachchā mārga... gurudev jaise jāge ve mārga batāye. dūsaroṅko asar honī, vah usakī yogyatā ādhārit hai. bahut jīv aise hain, jisakī ruchi to palaṭ jātī hai. jo ruchi palaṭ jātī hai, jo mānyatā palaṭ jātī hai, akelī kriyāmen dharma mānate the, usamense dharma koī alag hai, aisī ruchi to bahut logoṅkī palaṭ jātī hai. bākī ācharaṇ kaisā ho, vah (yogyatā par nirbhar karatā hai). parantu antar ruchi palaṭ jāy aise to bahut jīv hote haĩn.

mumukṣhuḥ- ye jo jainījham hai, usamen itanī tarahake hain, ki ham jo yuvā varga hai, hamen bahut bār samajhamen nahīn ātā hai. kyoṅki itane gūṭ ho gaye hain ki ham yuvā vargako samajhamen nahīn ātā hai.

samādhānaḥ- (jainadarshan) bhinna-bhinna nahīn hai, gūṭ ho to bhī. bāharake gūṭako ek or rakh do. antaramen bhedagnān karake ātmāko pahachānanā vah ek hī mārga hai. gurudevane vah kahā hai aur shāstramen vah ātā hai. andaramen svānubhūti karake ātmāko bhinna jānanā, bhedagnān karake usamen līnatā karanī, usamen pratīt karanī vahī muktikā mārga hai. dūsarā koī muktikā mārga nahīn hai. usamen bīchamen sachche dev-guru-shāstra shubh pariṇāmamen hote haĩn. andar shuddhātmā-ātmāko bhinna pīchhānanā. usakī pratīt, usakī līnatā, usakī svānubhūti kaise ho, usakā prayatna karanā, vah ek hī mārga hai, dūsarā koī mārga nahīn hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- lekin jainijhamamen kyon sab ek nahīn sakate? kyoṅki jab tak ham ek nahīn hoṅge, tab tak ek prakārase sosāyaṭīmen asar to hotī hī hai na. ham sosoyaṭīke taur par, ham sab baniye kahalāyen, jain kahalāyen, jainoṅkā ek panth ho jāy to hamāre deshako phāyadā hogā. .. usamen to koī shaṅkā hai hī nahī̃n. parantu sāth-sāth sosāyaṭīmen jo log rahate hain, unakā kuchh phāyadā honā chāhiye na. ham log hī jainamen gūṭ banāyeṅge aur kaheṅge ki...

samādhānaḥ- .. svayam apanā kar sakatā hai. bāharakā honā, nahīn honā vah (apane hāthakī bāt nahīn hai). pratyek dravya svatantra haĩn. koī dravyako badalanā apane hāthakī bāt nahīn hai. baḍe mahāpuruṣh hon, ve bhī upadesh dekar chale jāte haĩn. kisīko badalanā apane hāthakī bāt nahīn hai.

gurudevane sabako upadesh diyā. unake upadeshakā aisā nimitta ki kitanoṅkā upādān badal gayā. dūsareko koī badal sake, vah kisīke hāthakī bāt nahīn hai. pratyek dravya svatantra haĩn. koī samājako ham badal sake, vah koī hāthakī bāt nahīn hai. vah to

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svatantra hai. kaise badalanā vah koī dravya kisīko kuchh kar nahīn sakatā. mātra svayam bhāv kare. use upadesh dekar chhūṭ jāy, bākī use badal sake, kisīkā nahīn kar sakatā. svayam apanā kar sakatā hai. mahā tīrthaṅkar ho gaye, ve upadesh dete haĩn. bākī pratyek dravya svatantrarūpase badalate haĩn. kisīko badal nahīn sakate. kuchh bāharakā karanā vah kisīke hāthakī bāt nahīn hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- .. ashuddha hai, aisā kahanemen ātā hai. anādise yānī usakī shurūāt nahīn hai, tabase vah ashuddha hai. .. koī kālamen, kisī paristhitimen vah ashuddha huyī aur vah ashuddha ho gayā hai, use apane prayatna kare...

samādhānaḥ- anādise ashuddha hai. dravya shuddha hai, parantu paryāyamen ashuddhatā hai. yadi shuddha ho aur bādamen ashuddha ho, aisā nahīn hotā. jo shuddha vastu ho vah ashuddha kaise ho? dravyase shuddha hai, parantu paryāyamen ashuddhatā hai. yadi shuddha ho aur bādamen ashuddha ho to phir shuddha hokar ashuddha ban jāy, aise hī shuddha aur ashuddha chalatā rahe.? mukti honeke bād kabhī ashuddha hotā hī nahī̃n. anādikā ashuddha. jaise suvarṇa, anādi kālase jaise suvarṇa aur pāṣhāṇ donon khānamen ikaṭṭhe hote haĩn. bādamen use tāp denese bhinna paḍ jāte haĩn.

aise jīv dravyase shuddha hai, parantu paryāyamen jo ashuddhatā hai vah anādise hai. parantu usakā puruṣhārtha karanese ātmākī shuddha paryāy pragaṭ hotī hai. pudagal vastu bhī vaise suvarṇa aur pāṣhāṇ ikaṭṭhe hote hain to use tāp dete-dete bhinna ho jāte haĩn.

vaise ātmā aur karma anādise sāthamen haĩn. usamen jīvako paryāyamen ashuddhatā huyī hai. parantu puruṣhārthakā tāp denese vah shuddha paryāyarūp (pariṇamatā hai). phir shuddha suvarṇa ban jāy phir kabhī pāṣhāṇamen mishrit nahīn ho jātā. shuddha ho jāneke bād, mukta honeke bād punaḥ sansār nahīn hotā.

makkhan ūpar jāy, phir usakā ghī bane to phirase ghīkā makkhan nahīn banatā. vaise suvarṇa aur pāṣhāṇ ekasāth hai, vaise jīv aur karma anādise sāthamen hī hain aur jīvakī paryāyamen ashuddhatā hai. dravya-vastu, mūl vastumen ashuddhatākā pravesh nahīn huā hai. to-to shuddha hove hī nahī̃n. dravya mūlamen ashuddhatā nahīn hai, parantu paryāyamen-usakī avasthāmen ashuddhatā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- aur vah anādise hai.

samādhānaḥ- hān̐, anādise hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- anādise ho to phir paryāy bhī...

samādhānaḥ- (paryāyamen) ashuddhatā hai, vastumen nahīn hai. paryāy hai isaliye palaṭ sakatī

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hai, badal sakatī hai. suvarṇa jo ashuddha hai, lekin use tāp deenese suvarṇa shuddha hotā hai. vaise puruṣhārtha karanese ātmāmen shuddha paryāy pragaṭ hotī hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- isaliye dūsare dharmase yah ek alag bāt hai.

samādhānaḥ- hān̐, alag bāt hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- ki ātmā hī, ved dharma ginatā hai ki ātmā hī hai aur anādi hai, ananta hai, aisā ginate haĩn. parantu paryāy...

samādhānaḥ- puruṣhārtha karake svānubhūti pragaṭ ho aur kevalagnān ho, bādamen ashuddhatā hotī hī nahī̃n. aisā vastukā svabhāv hī hai.

prashamamūrti bhagavatī mātano jay ho!

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