Benshreeni Amrut Vani Part 2 Transcripts-Hindi (simplified iso15919 transliteration). Track: 191.

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amr̥ut vāṇī (bhāg-5)

(prashamamūrti pūjya bahenashrī champābahen kī

ādhyātmik tattvacharchā)

જ્ઞાન ઉપયોગ જુદો લક્ષમાં આવે તો લક્ષ પકડવામાં વાર ન લાગે કે આ ‘ત્રિકાળ છે તે જ હું છું’    0   Play
gnān upayog judo lakṣhamān āve to lakṣha pakaḍavāmān vār na lāge ke ā ‘trikāḷ chhe te ja hun chhun’    0   Play

ભિન્નતાના પ્રયોગમાં શરીરથી ભિન્નતાનો પ્રયોગ કયાંય આવતો નથી ?    0:50   Play
bhinnatānā prayogamān sharīrathī bhinnatāno prayog kayāny āvato nathī ?    0:50   Play

.... મતિજ્ઞાન-શ્રુતજ્ઞાન તે બહિરંગ અને ‘જાણપણું- જાણપણું ’તે અંતરંગ તેવા જાણપણા પરથી આ જાણનાર તે ‘હું’ એવું કંઈક શાસ્ત્રમાં આવે છે?    3:55   Play
.... matignān-shrutagnān te bahiraṅg ane ‘jāṇapaṇun- jāṇapaṇun ’te antaraṅg tevā jāṇapaṇā parathī ā jāṇanār te ‘hun’ evun kanīk shāstramān āve chhe?    3:55   Play

શાસ્ત્રમાં આવે છે કે ઇન્દ્રિયજ્ઞાન છે તે પરપ્રકાશક છે તે આત્માનું લક્ષણ નથી...... તે વિષે પ્રશ્ન છે    6:55   Play
shāstramān āve chhe ke indriyagnān chhe te paraprakāshak chhe te ātmānun lakṣhaṇ nathī...... te viṣhe prashna chhe    6:55   Play

(સમયસાર ગાથા ૨૯૭માં) પ્રજ્ઞાથી કઈ રીતે ગ્રહણ કરવો? ‘તેમાં હું, મારાથી, મારાવડે, મને જાણું છું’ તે વિષે....    11:10   Play
(samayasār gāthā 297mān) pragnāthī kaī rīte grahaṇ karavo? ‘temān hun, mārāthī, mārāvaḍe, mane jāṇun chhun’ te viṣhe....    11:10   Play

પૂજ્ય ગુરુદેવશ્રીએ કહ્યું તેને યાદ કરવું, તેની લગની લગાડવી વગેરે....    16:50   Play
pūjya gurudevashrīe kahyun tene yād karavun, tenī laganī lagāḍavī vagere....    16:50   Play

mumukṣhuḥ- gnānaupayog bhinna lakṣhyamen āye, khyālamen āye to phir lakṣhyako pakaḍanemen der na lage. aisā trikāl jo hai vah main hū̃n.

samādhānaḥ- upayog bhinna paḍe aur svayaṅko pakaḍamen āye vah sab sāthamen hī hotā hai. parantu yathārtha grahaṇ ho to apanā astitva aur upayog ādi sab use pakaḍamen ā jātā hai. parantu yathārthapane use sūkṣhmatāse grahaṇ ho to sab sāthamen ho jātā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- .. lakṣhaṇ aur lakṣhya sāthamen..

samādhānaḥ- sāth hī grahaṇ ho jātā hai. isaliye vah karanekā nishchay kare to kar sakatā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- bhinnatāke prayogamen sharīrase bhinnatākā prayog to kahīn nahīn ātā hai.

samādhānaḥ- vibhāvase bhinna, usamen sharīrakī bhinnatā sāthamen ā jātī hai. vah to usakā kram liyā hai ki pahale sharīrase main bhinna hūn̐, vah to.. sharīrako apanā mānanevālā ekadam sthūl upayog hai. isaliye sharīrase bhinna māna. usakā kram pratham isase bhinnatā kar, phir isase bhinnatā kara. sharīrako svayam ek mānatā hai, use aisā kahate hain ki tū sharīrase bhinna hai. sharīrase bhinna grahaṇ kar aur phir vikalpase bhinna

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grahaṇ kara. vikalpase bhinna karanevāleko to aisā kahate hain ki tū sharīrase bhinna hai vah to pahale usamen sāthamen ā hī jātā hai.

vikalpase bhinnatā kare usamen sharīrase bhinnatā to pahale hai. sharīr... isaliye sharīrakā to pahale hai. sharīrako apanā māne vah to ekadam sthūl hai. sharīrase bhinna main gnānasvarūp hū̃n. phir vikalpase, vibhāvakī malinatāse bhinna hū̃n. subuddhiko vilās.. usamen jo shubhabhāv āye, shrutagnān aur vikalpa shubhabhāvase mishrit ho usase bhinna terā svabhāv hai.

shubhabhāv mishrit jo bhāv hon, vah bhī terā mūl anādiananta svabhāv nahīn hai. vah shubhabhāv hai. adhūrī gnānakī paryāy dikhe utanā hī tū nahīn hai. tū to shāshvat hai. vibhāvase bhinna kiyā isaliye usamen dravyakarmase bhinna vah to sāthamen ā hī gayā. aur ye sharīr to sthūl hai. sharīrako ek māne use to bahut dūr jānā hai. sharīrase bhinna hūn̐, vah to abhī sthūl hai. vikalpase bhinnatā kare vah sachchā hai. phir usamen shubh aur ashubh donon bhāvase.

main gnān hūn̐, darshan hūn̐, chāritra hūn̐ aise vikalpake bhed āye, guṇabhed āye, vah guṇabhed āye aisā bhī terā akhaṇḍa svarūp nahīn hai, bhedavālā (nahīn haie). tere guṇ andar kahīn khaṇḍa khaṇḍa ṭūkaḍerūp nahīn hai, tū to akhaṇḍa hai. us bhedako gauṇ karake akhaṇḍa par dr̥uṣhṭi kara. antaramen dr̥uṣhṭi kare, us dr̥uṣhṭike balase bhedagnānakī ugratā ho, gnāyakakī ugratā ho to vikalpa ṭūṭanekā prasaṅg ātā hai. .. use āsān paḍatā hai, lekin vikalpase bhinna paḍanā (kaṭhin lagatā hai).

mumukṣhuḥ- antaraṅg aur bahiraṅg aise do bhed athavā sāmānya aur visheṣh, aise koī bhed ho sakate hain ki ise jāne, ise jāne, ise jāne athavā to yah matignān, yah shrutagnān vah bahiraṅg aṅg hai aur jānapanā.. jānapanā... jānapanā vah antaraṅg aṅg hai. aise jānapane parase yah jānanevālā so main, aisā kahīn koī shāstramen ātā hai?

samādhānaḥ- mati-shrutagnānakā lakṣhaṇ to ātā hai. mati sāmānya prakārase jānatā hai aur visheṣh bhed karatā hai vah shrutagnāna. usake upayogamen vah pharka paḍatā hai. sāmānya chetanā darshanaupayog hai vah alag hai. vah to ek abhed grahaṇ karatā hai, bhed nahīn paḍatā hai. is matimen bhed paḍatā hai parantu sāmānya prakārase mati grahaṇ karatā hai. aur visheṣhamen bhed karake sūkṣhma-sūkṣhma jānatā hai vah shrutakā upayog hai. mati aur shrutamen vah pharka paḍatā hai.

vah antaramen jāye to sāmānyapane jo grahaṇ kare vah mati aur visheṣh bhed karatā hai ki main yah gnān hūn̐, aise sāmānya prakārase mati grahaṇ kare aur visheṣh prakārase grahaṇ kare ki yah gnān hai vahī main hū̃n. yah gnān hai, darshan hai, chāritra hai, aise bhed

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karake jāne vah shrutagnānakā upayog hai. lekin un donommen jānapanā-gnān, akhaṇḍa gnāyak jānapanā hai vah main hū̃n. mati-shrutake do bhed paḍe vah bhed mūl svarūpamen to nahīn hai. vah to kṣhayopashamagnānake bhed haĩn. usamen upayog jo ho rahā hai, us upayogase ātmāko ek shāshvat grahaṇ karanekā hai. akhaṇḍa gnāyak grahaṇ karatā hai. gnāyak to akhaṇḍa hai. usamen mati-shrutake do bhed nahīn paḍate. vah to kṣhayopashamagnānake bhed hai.

antar taraph jāy to sāmānya prakārase mati grahaṇ karatā hai ki main yah gnānasvarūp hai vah main hū̃n. vah gnānalakṣhaṇ kaisā hai? gnānakā visheṣh bhed karake jāne vah shrutagnānakā upayog hai. mati-shrutake bhed to bīchamen āte haĩn. parantu grahaṇ ekako karanā hai ki jo akhaṇḍa gnāyak shāshvat astitva svarūp hai, gnāyak jisakā astitva hai, gnāyakakā astitva grahaṇ hotā hai. gnāyak astitva asādhāraṇarūp hai. usamen ananta guṇ hain, parantu ye gnāyakatā hai vah asādhāraṇ lakṣhaṇ hai. us gnāyakatāse grahaṇ hotā hai. mati- shrutakā upayog bīchamen āte hain, mati aur shrut bīchamen ātā hai, parantu grahaṇ ekako karanā hai. do bhed nahīn, ekako grahaṇ karanekā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- shāstramen aisā ātā hai, vah vāstavamen to paraprakāshak hai. vah ātmākā lakṣhaṇ nahīn hai. us gnānakā abhāv hokar atīndriy gnān andar ātmāko pakaḍatā huā gnān, vah vāstavamen lakṣhaṇ hai. ye jo abhī jānapanā ho rahā hai usamen to paraprakāshakapanā hī khyālamen ātā hai. ye jānatā hai, yah jānatā hai, yah gnāt hotā hai.

samādhānaḥ- bāhar upayog hai na. bāhar upayog honese vah mati-shrutakā upayog indriyoṅkī or muḍā hai. man taraph, indriyoṅkī or upayog (hai). parantu usamen jo jānanevālā hai vah main hū̃n. aise lakṣhya apanī or karanā hai. usamen svayaṅko chhoḍakar svayam kahīn akelā bhinna paḍā rahatā hai aur yah gnān kahīn or paḍā rahatā hai, aisā nahīn hai. usakā upayog bāhya ho gayā hai isaliye paraprakāshak gneyoṅkī or ho gayā hai. svayam gnāyakakī or jātā nahī̃n. usamen vah jānanevālā hai, gneyoṅko grahaṇ nahīn karake main jānanevālā hūn̐, aise apanī or muḍe to usamen gnān grahaṇ hotā hai. aur gneyoṅkī or lakṣhya jāy to gney grahaṇ hote haĩn. upayog bāhar jātā hai to bāharako grahaṇ kare to bāhya gney grahaṇ hote haĩn. antar dr̥uṣhṭi kare to apanā gnān grahaṇ hotā hai.

jānapanā hai vah jānapanā mātra nahīn, parantu vah jānanevālā jo pūrā hai vah main hū̃n. kṣhayopasham gnānake bhed, shāstramen ātā hai na ki bādalake paṭalamen hīnādhikatārūp jo kiraṇ dikhāī dete hain, vah kiraṇ kahān̐-se āye hain? kiraṇoṅkā sañchār vah mūl vastu hai. ataḥ ek bhed par khaḍe nahīn rahakarake usakā mūl kahān̐ hai, us mūlako grahaṇ karanā hai. kṣhayopashamagnānake bhed hīnādhikatārūp dikhe vah hīnādhikatā jitanā hī

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main nahīn hūn̐, parantu usakā mūl kahān̐ hai? usakā svabhāv mūl vastu kyā hai? use grahaṇ karanā hai. vah use ādhār denevālā hai, toḍanevālā nahīn hai. shāstramen ātā hai ki usake kiraṇ jo bādalake paṭalamen jo sūryake kiraṇ dikhate hain, us kiraṇake pīchhe pūrā sūrya hai use grahaṇ karanā hai. bhedako grahaṇ nahīn karake akhaṇḍako grahaṇ karanā.

mumukṣhuḥ- vartamān gnānaupayog, use jānate hue yah gnān ise prakāshatā hai, ise prakāshatā hai, aise lakṣhyamen nahīn lete hue, gnānatva lakṣhyamen lekar us parase trikālīkā lakṣhya karanā?

samādhānaḥ- trikālīkā lakṣhya (karanā). jānapanākā mūl kahān̐ hai? usakā mūl astitva grahaṇ karanā. ye gney gnāt hue, ye gnāt huā, ye gnāt huā isaliye main, aise nahīn, parantu jānapanā mūl sāmānya jānapanā. aur us jānapanekā āshray lekar usakā mūl astitva kahān̐ hai, us mūlako grahaṇ karanā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- aisā sāmānya jānapanā-jānapanā kahān̐se ā rahā hai? vah jo trikālī astitva hai..

samādhānaḥ- trikālī astitvako grahaṇ karanā hai. .. akhaṇḍako grahaṇ karanā hai. dūsareko prakāshatā hai aisā nahīn dekhakarake, us kiraṇoṅkā āshray lenevālī mūl vastu kaun hai? jānapanekā āshray mūl astitva usakā kahān̐se hai, use grahaṇ karanā hai. mūl astitva kahān̐ hai, vah grahaṇ karanā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- ye jānapanā.. jānapanā.. jānapanā kahān̐se ho rahā hai, us par lakṣhya..

samādhānaḥ- jānapanekā mūl astitva kahān̐ hai, akhaṇḍa astitvako grahaṇ karanā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- 297 gāthāmen pragnāse kis prakār grahaṇ karanā, use samajhāte hue ... main mere dvārā, mujhe mere dvārā, mere liye, meremen, merese aur mere ādhārase mujhe jānatā hū̃n. prayojanakī siddhimen vah kuchh upayogī hai?

samādhānaḥ- usakī sādhakadashā abhī shuddha paryāy pragaṭ nahīn huyī hai, isaliye bīchamen bhed āte to haĩn. mūl to astitva jo hai vah hai. vah to jo akhaṇḍa anādiananta vastu to jo hai so hai. vah koī chhūṭ nahīn gayī yā dūsaremen gayī nahīn yā dūsaremense ātī nahī̃n. gnāyakakā astitva to jo hai vah hai. lekin vah svayaṅko gnānamen pragaṭapane grahaṇ nahīn huā hai. isaliye usamen bīchamen main, mere liye, mujhe hī grahaṇ karatā hūn̐, isaliye parakā āshray nahīn hai. aise svayam apanī svādhīnatā par dr̥uṣhṭi karatā hai, usamen bīchamen ātā hai.

usakī dr̥uṣhṭi aise bhed par nahīn hai. dr̥uṣhṭi to ek akhaṇḍako karanekī hai. parantu usakā prayojan, kisake liye, usakā sādhan kaun aise apanī svatantratāke liye bīchamen

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aise bhāv, aisā gnān use bīchamen ā jātā hai. dr̥uṣhṭi to ek akhaṇḍa par hai. phir bhī gnānamen sādhanāmen ye sab use ā jātā hai. parake jo sādhan hain, vah sādhan merā mūl sādhan nahīn hai. merā sādhan mujhe hai, merā āshray mujhe hai, merā karma-kārya mujhamense pragaṭ hotā hai. merā ādhār mujhe hai. mujhe dūsarekā ādhār nahīn hai. aisā bīchamen ā jātā hai. main mere dvārā hī, mere hī liye, mujhamense main pragaṭ hotā hū̃n. merī shuddhi mujhamense pragaṭ hotī hai. paramense nahīn ātī hai.

anādikā bhūlā hai, mānon paramen se sab ātā hai, parake āshray binā mujhe chalatā nahīn, parake ādhārase main ṭikatā hūn̐, aisā bhram ho gayā hai. usakā palaṭā hotā hai tab dr̥uṣhṭike sāth gnān bhī aisā kārya karatā hai. mujhe parakā ādhār nahīn hai, mujhe merā hī ādhār hai. mujhe merā hī sādhan hai. main mere liye, mujhamense pragaṭ hotā hai. gnān aisā kārya kiye binā nahīn rahatā. usakī pariṇati bhī us prakārase kām karatī hai. bīchamen sādhakadashā hai. sādhya ekadam pūrṇa ho aur kuchh karanā hī na ho to bīchamen kuchh nahīn ātā. usamen dr̥uṣhṭi apekṣhāse jaisī hai vaisī anādiananta vastu hai. parantu usamen sādhanākī shuddha paryāy pragaṭ karanī hai. samyagdarshanakī paryāy pragaṭ ho, usamen chāritrakī nirmalatā, svarūpācharaṇ chāritra, gnānakī nirmalatā ādi sab pragaṭ hotā hai. isaliye bīchamen aise bhāv āye binā nahīn rahate. gnān aisā kārya kiye binā nahīn rahatā.

parakā kārakonse bhinna paḍakar apane kārakoṅko grahaṇ kiyā. main mujhe mere liye, mere kāryake liye mujhe jānatā hū̃n. gnān svaparaprakāshak hai, khyālamen hai. parantu nishchay orakī dr̥uṣhṭiko pragaṭ karatā huā... yathārtha gnān to use nishchay aur vyavahār donon sāthamen hī rahe haĩn. nishchayako mukhya rakhakar vyavahār sāthamen rahatā hai. gnān yathārtha ho aur dr̥uṣhṭi samyak ho usake sāth gnān aisā samyak sāthamen hotā hai. nishchay aur vyavahārakā vivek karatā huā gnān sāthamen hī hotā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- aur nirvikalpa anubhav hotā hai.

samādhānaḥ- .. chhūṭ jātā hai. main parako nahīn jānatā hūn̐, mujhe mere liye jānatā hūn̐, vah sab vikalpa hai. bākī use aisā gnān vartatā hai ki main svayam anādiananta svabhāv par dr̥uṣhṭi karake main mujhe jānatā hūn̐, parake sāth ekatvabuddhi nahīn hotī hai, parase bhinna gnānamen rahakar svayam main apane ātmāko jānatā hūn̐, usamen par bīchamen ā jātā hai. aisā gnān use sahaj vartatā hai. usamen use vikalpa nahīn karanā paḍatā. parantu ye to sab gnānakā vistār karate hain na, usamen sab ātā hai. aise vikalpa bīchamen karanā paḍatā hai aisā nahīn hotā, aisā gnān use hotā hai. main merese svatantra hū̃n. parakā ādhār nahīn hai. svayam svaparaprakāshak merā svabhāv hai. main anādiananta svayam vastu hū̃n. vah sab

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usake gnānamen, jahān̐ samyagdr̥uṣhṭi hotī hai, vahān̐ sab sahaj ā jātā hai. gnānake prakār hain, isaliye usamen bīchamen is prakārakā jānanā ātā hai.

pahale gneyase chhūṭā, phir andar svatantra huā, phir svabhāv par jahān̐ dr̥uṣhṭi huyī, vahān̐ use dr̥uṣhṭi, gnān donon sāthamen hote haĩn. usamen use parakā bhed, sharīrase bhinna, vibhāvase bhinna, sāthamen ā jātā hai. apanese svayam kaise hai, guṇabhed, paryāyabhed vah sab use gnānamen sāthamen ā jātā hai.

samādhānaḥ- .. antaramen gurudevane jo kahā hai, vah sab smaraṇ karate rahanā. usakī lagan lagānī, usake vichār karanā, vāñchan karanā. vichār, vāñchan, usakī lagan, use bār-bār yād karate rahanā-smaraṇ karate rahanā, vichār karate rahanā. tattva sambandhit sab vichār karanā. bāhya pravr̥uttimen svayam ekamek na ho jāy usake liye apanī orakī ruchi baḍhāte rahanā. karanekā to antaramen hai vahī satya hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- koī jagah apane karanā na chāhe to bhī sahaj ho jātā hai.

samādhānaḥ- pravr̥uttikī gaṭharīyān̐ hotī hai, mumbaīmen to. to bhī antaramen svayam apanī ruchi rakhe, chāhe jaise bāhya sanyog ho to bhī.

mumukṣhuḥ- ruchi baḍhāneke liye kyā karanā?

samādhānaḥ- kāraṇakā kāraṇ kyā? svayam taiyār honā. ruchi baḍhāneke liye svayam taiyār honā. ruchi baḍhāneke liye satsaṅg, satpuruṣhakī vāṇī ādi hotā hai. jahān̐ satsaṅg mile, satpuruṣhakī vāṇī mile aise sab sādhanommen svayam rahe. ruchi baḍhāneke liye apanā upādān taiyār karanā. usakā kāraṇ svayam hī hai. koī karavātā nahīn hai, svayam kare to hotā hai. usake bāhya kāraṇoemmen satpuruṣhakī vāṇī, satpuruṣh sākṣhāt ho yā satsaṅg ādi sab bāhya kāraṇommen (hai). antaramen svayam ruchi baḍhānemen kāraṇ hai. svayam apanese baḍhānī.

prashamamūrti bhagavatī mātano jay ho!

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