Benshreeni Amrut Vani Part 2 Transcripts-Hindi (simplified iso15919 transliteration). Track: 224.

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પૂજ્ય ગુરુદેવશ્રી આ વાત લાવ્યા જે ત્રણેય ફિરકામાં ન હતી તે વિષે    0   Play
pūjya gurudevashrī ā vāt lāvyā je traṇey phirakāmān na hatī te viṣhe    0   Play

(પ્રશ્ન સમજાતો નથી) જવાબ હું જ્ઞાયક છું, જ્ઞાયક છું તેમ ટહેલ મારવી....    2:00   Play
(prashna samajāto nathī) javāb hun gnāyak chhun, gnāyak chhun tem ṭahel māravī....    2:00   Play

વાંચન-વિચાર કરતા જીવ ભેદના રસ્તે ચડી જાય છે. અનાદિની ટેવ છે તે પ્રમાણે....    3:30   Play
vāñchan-vichār karatā jīv bhedanā raste chaḍī jāy chhe. anādinī ṭev chhe te pramāṇe....    3:30   Play

અંતરથી પ્રતીતિ આવતી નથી કે હું પરિપૂર્ણ છું, મારામાં બધું છે તે વિશ્વાસ આવતો નથી...    4:25   Play
antarathī pratīti āvatī nathī ke hun paripūrṇa chhun, mārāmān badhun chhe te vishvās āvato nathī...    4:25   Play

પ્રયોજનભૂત દ્રવ્ય-ગુણ-પર્યાયનું ભાન કરીને, બધા જ્ઞાનના પડખા ચોખ્ખા ન કરે.........સૂક્ષ્મ કોઈ વિષય હોય તેનો નિર્ણય ન કરી શકાતો હોય...મૂળભૂત તત્ત્વ જાણીને ભેદજ્ઞાનનો પ્રયત્ન કરે તો શું થઈ શકે?    5:50   Play
prayojanabhūt dravya-guṇ-paryāyanun bhān karīne, badhā gnānanā paḍakhā chokhkhā na kare.........sūkṣhma koī viṣhay hoy teno nirṇay na karī shakāto hoy...mūḷabhūt tattva jāṇīne bhedagnānano prayatna kare to shun thaī shake?    5:50   Play

(પ્રશ્નનો સારાંશ) વર્તમાનમાં અમે જેનું સાંભળીએ છીએ તેઓ જ્ઞાની તો નથી તેનાથી અમે આડા રસ્તે ચડી જઈએ કારણ કે ગુરુદેવની વાણી સમજવાની અમારી શકિત નથી તો અમારે શું કરવું?    9:20   Play
(prashnano sārānsh) vartamānamān ame jenun sāmbhaḷīe chhīe teo gnānī to nathī tenāthī ame āḍā raste chaḍī jaīe kāraṇ ke gurudevanī vāṇī samajavānī amārī shakit nathī to amāre shun karavun?    9:20   Play

જ્ઞાન-જ્ઞેય સંબંધી....    12:00   Play
gnān-gney sambandhī....    12:00   Play

mumukṣhuḥ- gurudev mil, āpakī itanī kr̥upā hai, is ..

samādhānaḥ- sab kriyāse dharma hogā, isamen paḍe the. thoḍī sāmāyik kare aur pratikramaṇ kare isaliye dharma ho gayā, aisā mānate the. aur koī upavās kare to dharma ho gayā, aisā mānate the. gurudevane antarakī dr̥uṣhṭi batāyī.

mumukṣhuḥ- samājakī yahī sthiti thī.

samādhānaḥ- samājamen aisā hī thā. sthānakavāsī, derāvāsī, digambarommen bhī aisā thā. thoḍī bāharase kriyā ādi kare, shuddhi-ashuddhi, isaliye usamen dharma mān lete the.

mumukṣhuḥ- tīnon sampradāyamen aisā hī thā. digambar nām mātra thā shāstramẽn. ve log bhī kriyākāṇḍamen chaḍ gaye the.

samādhānaḥ- usamen samayasār thā, lekin koī dekhatā nahīn thā. paḍhanā gurudevane sīkhāyā. usake artha gurudevane sulajhāye. tattvārtha sūtra ādi paḍhate the. derāvāsīmen raṭ lete the. nau tattva aur guṇasthān ādi raṭ lete the.

mumukṣhuḥ- shvetāmbaramen bhī vahī thā. raṭ lete the, pāṭh kaṇṭhastha kar lete the.

samādhānaḥ- hān̐, pāṭh kaṇṭhastha kar lete the.

mumukṣhuḥ- gurudevane to bahut khullā kar diyā.

samādhānaḥ- bahut khullā kiyā. antarakī dr̥uṣhṭi batāyī. utpād, vyay, dhruv ādi sab shāstramen ātā thā, koī samajhatā nahīn thā. ātmā jānanevālā hai, gnāyak hai, bhedagnān hotā hai, svānubhūti hotī hai, koī samajhatā nahīn thā.

mumukṣhuḥ- shabda kisīne sune nahīn the. bhāvako ek or rakho.

samādhānaḥ- mokṣha to ūpar siddha shilāmen jāy tab mokṣha ho, aisā sab mānate the. mokṣha hotā hai. svānubhūtikā ansh pragaṭ ho, vahī mokṣha hai. aur pūrṇa ho tab antarame bhāvase mokṣha ho jātā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- bāten sunī hai, lekin hamāre liye koī prayojan nahīn hai. āpane kahā, usake āsapās ṭel lagānī. usakā vistr̥utikaraṇa. hamen to vahī chāhiye, hamārī bhūmikāmẽn.

samādhānaḥ- svānubhūtikā ansh pragaṭ hotā hai, vah nirvikalpa dashā hotī hai tab

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hotā hai. usake pahale main gnāyak hūn̐, gnāyak hūn̐, aisā bārambār usakā raṭan karate rahanā. vah ṭahel māranī hai. vikalpa jo ātā hai, vah vikalpa merā svarūp nahīn hai. vikalpase bhī main bhinna hū̃n. shubh manda yā tīvra jo-jo vibhāv āye un sabase bhinna main chaitanya hū̃n. main chaitanya hūn̐, chaitanya hūn̐, bārambār usakī mahimā, usakī lagana. bārambār antaramen vah raṭan rahanā chāhiye ki main gnāyak hū̃n. main vikalpa rahit nirvikalpa tattva hūn̐ aur vikalpa chhūṭ jāṭ to bhī meremen hī sab bharā hai. bāharamen nahīn hai. vikalpa chhūṭ jāy isaliye svayam shūnya nahīn ho jātā hai. parantu antaramen jo bharā hai vah pragaṭ hotā hai. isaliye meremen ek gnānamātra-gnāyakamātra ātmāmen sab sarvasva hai. aise bārambār usakī bhāvanā, usakā raṭan, usakā vichār, usakā vāñchan ādi karane jaisā hai. gnāyakake ān̐ganamen ṭahel lagāne jaisī hai, bārambāra.

mumukṣhuḥ- vāñchan, vichār karane par punaḥ bhedake rāste par chaḍh jātā hai. anādikī ādat hai us par jānekī.

samādhānaḥ- bhedake rāste par chaḍh jāy to bhī bārambār apanī or lakṣhya karate rahanā. kyoṅki kahīn na kahīn rukatā to hai. jabatak antaramen līn nahīn huā hai, antaramen dr̥uṣhṭi nahīn gayī hai, tabatak use kahīn na kahīn ghumatā rahatā hai. isaliye kahīn khaḍā to rahatā hai. parantu shraddhā aur ruchi us or rakhanī ki gnāyak, gnāyakamen sab hai. in sabamen rukane jaisā nahīn hai. vah to bīchamen āye binā nahīn rahatā. parantu shraddhā to gnāyakakī rakhanī ki nirvikalpa tattva shuddhātmā gnāyak main hū̃n. ye sab to usamen rah nahīn pātā hūn̐, isaliye vah sab āye binā nahīn rahatā.

mumukṣhuḥ- antaramen vah pratīti nahīn ātī hai. main paripūrṇa hūn̐, meremen sab hai. yah vishvās, nā jāne kyon vishvās nahīn ātā hai. dūsarī sab vastuoṅkā vishvās (ātā hai), sonekā, jhavāharātakā, phalānekā sabakā vishvās ātā hai, parantu isī kṣhaṇamen meremen sab bharā hai, (yah vishvās nahīn ātā hai).

samādhānaḥ- dūsarā sab dikhatā hai, yah dikhāī nahīn detā hai. (isaliye) use andaramen vishvās ūḍ jātā hai. parantu usamen sab hai. svayam vichār karake, gurudev kahate hain, dev-guru-shāstra kahate hain, parantu svayam vichār karake nakkī kare to usīmen sab bharā hai.

gurudev kahate the na? chhoṭīpīpar ghisate-ghisate usamen-se charaparāī nikalatī hai. vaise gnāyak hūn̐, gnāyak hūn̐ kare, usīmen sab bharā hai, usamen-se svabhāv pragaṭ hotā hai. chhāchhako bārambār bilotā rahe to usamen-se makkhan bhinna ho jātā hai. aise bārambār bhedagnān (kare). bārambār main bhinna hūn̐, bhinna hūn̐, aisā bārambār kare to, jaise makkhan bhinna ho jātā hai,

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vaise bhinna to hai hī, parantu pragaṭarūpase bhinna paḍ jātā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- bahut sundar bāt hai. bārambār yah abhyās karake bhinna paḍanekā prayatna (karanā), sab āgamakā sār kahen to yah ek hī hai.

samādhānaḥ- yah ek hī hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- prayojanabhūt dravya-guṇ-paryāyakā gnān karake, gnānake pahalū adhik spaṣhṭa na kare, .. gnānamen ho jātī ho, sūkṣhmapane tattvagnānakā koī bhī viṣhay ho usakā nirṇay na kar sakatā ho athavā usakā vah vishleṣhaṇ nahīn kar sakatā ho, parantu mūlabhūt tattvako jānakar usase bhedagnān karanekā prayatna kare to ho sakatā hai?

samādhānaḥ- ho sakatā hai. mūlabhūt prayojanabhūt tattva-main gnāyak hūn̐, aisā nakkī karake ye vibhāv main nahīn hūn̐, main anādiananta shāshvat dravya ananta guṇase bharā huā aur kṣhaṇ-kṣhaṇamen palaṭe vah paryāy, bas! itanā gnān karake apanī or jāy to usamen koī visheṣh gnān na ho to usamen kuchh jarūrat nahīn paḍatī.

mumukṣhuḥ- gote hī khāte hain na. ham vahān̐ hai. ham yānī hamāre sab bhāī. kṣhayopasham gnānamen khaḍe hain, ...

samādhānaḥ- sabakā prayojan ek hī hai ki bhedagnān karanā.

mumukṣhuḥ- bhāī kahate hain, jūṭhe hī gote khāte haĩn. viṣhay banāte hain, parantu itanā to gurudev dekar gaye haĩn.

samādhānaḥ- kitanā diyā hai. bhedagnānakā prayojan hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- vah karatā nahīn hai aur bāten karatā rahatā hai.

samādhānaḥ- hān̐, aisā hai, vaisā hai, aisā hai, aisā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- kramabaddhaparyāyamen ulajh jāya. use ulajhanā hai, aṭakanā hai isaliye kahīn na kahīn...

samādhānaḥ- kahīn-kahīn aṭak jātā hai. prayojan gnāyakako pragaṭ karanā vah hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- samay-samay usakā..

samādhānaḥ- usakā raṭan rakhane jaisā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- kyā bākī hai? usamen kyā samajhanā hai?

samādhānaḥ- samayasāramen ātā hai ki gnānamātra ātmā, aisī tū ruchi kar, aisī prīti kar, usamen usīkā anubhav kar to usamen-se pragaṭ (hotā hai). jitanā gnānamātra hai utanā hī main hū̃n. jitanā gnānamātra vahī main hū̃n. "isamen sadā rativant ban, isamen sadā santuṣhṭa re.' usamen tū santuṣhṭa ho. usīmen sab hai, usamen santuṣhṭa ho. usamen sadā santuṣhṭa ho, usīmen-se sab pragaṭ hogā. "isase hī ban tū tr̥upta, uttam saukhya ho jisase tujhe.' usamen

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tū tr̥upta ho, usīmen sab hai.

phir nirṇay na ho to chāron orakā vichār kare, parantu prayojan to ek gnāyakakā hai. jo hogā sab ā jāyagā. usamen shuddhātmākī paryāy shuddha pariṇamegī. ansh pariṇamegā, usamen bhedagnān hogā, usamen āsrav, samvar sab ā jāyagā. vah to sahaj ā jāyagā. parantu ek gnāyakako grahaṇ kar to usamen sab āyagā.

sādhakadashāmen jo ho vah sab ā jātā hai. usakī visheṣh shuddhi hotī hai, nirjarā hotī hai aur usamen visheṣh līn ho to vītarāgatā kevalagnān hotā hai. usamen munidashā (ātī hai). gnāyakamen hī sab hai. svānubhūtimẽn. aur vah svānubhūti bhī gnāyakako grahaṇ karane-se hī hotī hai. gnāyakako grahaṇ karake usakī bhedagnānakī dhārā, gnāyakakī dhārā sahaj karatā jāy to usamen svānubhūti bhī usī mārgamen hotī hai-gnāyakako grahaṇ karanese. grahaṇ nahīn hotā hai, isaliye usake chāron or vikalpa dauḍate rahate haĩn. gnāyakako grahaṇ karanā.

mumukṣhuḥ- vartamānamen, ham sab bhāī yahān̐ baiṭhe hain, ham jo kuchh sunate hain, ... sunate hain parantu aise mukhase sunate hain ki jo gnānī nahīn hai. usamen ham dūsare rāste par chaḍh jāyen (to)? kyoṅki hamen sāmane jo prarupaṇā (karate hain), ham jinako sunate hain, vah prarūpaṇā karanevāle gnānī to hai nahīn, gnānīke vachanāmr̥ut hai, parantu gnānīke vachanāmr̥ut sirpha paḍhate nahīn hai, usake hr̥udayamen jo kuchh vichār āte hain vah hamāre sāmane pradarshit karatā hai. kyoṅki gurudevakī vāṇī svatantra rūpase vichāranekī shakti kisīkī hotī hai, sabakī nahīn hotī. ... ādhyātmik prarūpaṇā hotī ho aur usamense..

samādhānaḥ- jo sachchā mumukṣhu hotā hai, jise sat grahaṇ karanā hai vah kahīn rukatā nahī̃n. vah sachchā nirṇay kar letā hai. vah sunane āye usamen jise jignāsā hotī hai ki mujhe ātmākā (hit) karanā hai, gnāyakakā bhedagnān karanā hai, vah kahīn rukatā nahīn, satya grahaṇ kar letā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- āpane kahā thā, mumukṣhu bhale sachchā mumukṣhu na kahen, main jo bāt karatā hūn̐, parantu vah mumukṣhu gnānake lobhase, gurudevane kahā hai ki vah svayam to nayā hai athavā purānā ho, jo bhī ho, parantu abhī use gnānamen pūrā pakaḍamen nahīn āyā ho. aur prarūpaṇā aisī ātī ho ki use aisā lage ki yah gurudevakī hī vāṇī hai aur gnānakā lobh hai. karane jaisā to āpane kahā utanā hī, adhik jānanekī koī āvashyakatā nahīn hai. mujhe to aisā lagatā hai, kuchh sunanekī jarūrat nahīn hai, gurudevakī ṭepake alāvā aur āpane kahā ki apane andar āsapās chakkar lagātā rah, vahī kām karane jaisā hai. chaubīs ghaṇṭe ek hī kām, jitanā samay mile usamen satakā saṅg arthāt antarakā

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jo saṅg hai usīkā saṅg karane jaisā hai. gnānake lobhase anādikī ādat hai, kuchh- kuchh nayā-nayā jānanekī, naye nyāy usamen phisal jātā hai. ... spaṣhṭa kahūn̐ to ham to banda kar denā chāhiye. mujhe to aisā hotā hai ki banda kar denā chāhiye. yadi aisā lagatā ho to. muumukṣhumen utanī lāyakāt na ho ki usamen-se vah satya nikāl sake. utanā gnānakā kṣhayopasham bhī na ho.

samādhānaḥ- bāharake sanyogamen main kyā kahūn̐? svayam apanā samajh lenā. svayaṅko nukasān hotā hai aisā lage to svayaṅko apanā samajh lenā. aisā lage ki mujhe nukasān ho rahā hai, vyaktigatarūpase, to svayaṅko nukasān hotā ho to chhoḍ denā. bākī bāharake sanyogamen sabako ruche aisā kare, usamen main hān̐-nā kaise kahūn̐? svayaṅko apane liye samajh lenā ki mujhe nukasān hotā hai. sachchā jignāsu kahe ki main jahān̐-tahān̐ ruk jātā hūn̐ ki yahān̐-se jānū, yahān̐-se jānū aisā kar-karake ruk jātā hūn̐, mujhe ulajhan hūn̐, usake bajāy gurudevakī vāṇīmen-se main satya samajhu, is tarah sirpha apane liye ho to svayam chhoḍ denā, apane liye.

samādhānaḥ- ... prakāsh aur andhakār, kitanā pharka hai. prakāsh prakāsh .. agnikī kriyā uṣhṇatārūp hī hotī hai. barphakī kriyā ṭhaṇḍakarūp hotī hai, donon ek nahīn ho sakate. pānīkī shītalatā aur agnikī uṣhṇatā ek nahīn hote. sthūl dr̥uṣhṭānta hai.

vaise gnān gnānarūp aur krodh krodharūp (rahate hain). lekin svayam hī usamen tanmay hai. parantu svayam svayaṅko jān nahīn sakatā hai. paryāy aisī bāhar bhaṭakatī rahatī hai. bāharakī pariṇatike kāraṇ antaramen dekhatā nahīn hai. ḍor, gnānakī ḍor kahān̐-se āyī hai us mūl talako dekhatā nahīn hai. ... dekhanemen tanmay ho jātā hai. bhale ākulatā ākulatāmen bāharakā dekhatā rahatā hai.

log darpaṇamen dekhe na ki darpaṇamen kyā dikhatā hai? usamen chitra-vichitratā dekhate haĩn. parantu darpaṇ ekasamān hai, us ekasamān darpaṇ par dr̥uṣhṭike jāneke bajāy log darpaṇamen kyā-kyā dikhatā hai, (vah dekhanemen ruk jāte haiain). jīvako anādise aisā bhram ho gayā hai ki ye gney kyā hai? parantu usamen ekasamān kyā hai? kisamen yah gnāt hotā hai? yah vastu kyā hai? usakā log vichār karaneke bajāy, darpaṇamen dikhatā kyā hai? anek jātakī vastuen̐ dikhatī hai, un vastuoṅko dekhanemen paḍ jātā hai.

chiḍiyā usamen dekhe to dūsarī chiḍiyā kahān̐-se ā gayī? chiḍiyāko dekhane lag jātā hai. lekin yah bīchamen darpaṇ jaḍ hai, use nahīn dekhatā. chiḍiyā usīmen chon̐ch māratā hai. andar kyā dikhatā hai, usīmen bhaṭakatā rahatā hai. parantu kisamen dikhatā hai aur kyā vastu hai? use koī nahīn dekhatā. usamen anek prakārake gneyoṅko dekhaneke bhramamen,

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kisamen dikhatā hai aur yah vastu kyā hai? aisī kaun-sī kimatī vastumen dikhāī detā hai? use nahīn dekhatā. ye sab dikhatā hai usake bhramake ghoṭālamen paḍā hai.

chiḍiyā āye to ye dūsarā kyā dikhatā hai? chiḍiyākī buddhi kām nahīn karatī hai. usake sāth jhaghaḍā kar-karake mānon dūsarī chiḍiyā ā gayī hai, aisā use ho jātā hai. vastu hai ki jisamen yah sab dikhāī detā hai.

... jānanekā hai use nahīn dekhatā hai, ye sab chitra-vichitratāmen tanmay ho gayā hai. chitra-vichitratāmen bhale hī thak jāy, ākulatā ho, to bhī usīmen lagā rahatā hai. ... lekin kuchh mālūm nahīn paḍatā hai ki yah maĩn. bāhar sab.... tū hī hai, lekin tere gnānako tū bāhar lene jā rahā hai. ānanda terā hai aur tū lene jā rahā bāhar, aisā karatā hai.

ādamī jitanā dekh sake utanā tanmay hokar ek-ek dekhe utanā dekh nahīn sakatā. bhinna huā ādamī, nyārā huā hai vah jyādā dekh sakatā hai. shīkhar par ādamī khaḍā ho vah jyādā dekh sakatā hai. vaise gnānake shikhar par khaḍā hai, vah bhinna ho to jyādā dekh sakatā hai, lekin vah jānatā nahīn hai. shikhar par ā nahīn pātā. gnānamen mahimā nahīn ātī hai. gneyakī mahimā ātī hai, aisī gnānakī mahimā nahīn ātī hai. gnān arthāt jānanā. gnānakī mahimā nahīn ātī hai. vah vibhinnatā dikhatī hai usakī mahimā ātī hai. vibhinnatā (dekhatā hai), lekin andar khaḍā to rah, usamen kaisā hai? usakā tū nishchay to kara. usīmen sab hai, sab vibhinnatā usamen hai. lekin vah bāhar (jātā hai), use vishvās nahīn ātā hai. arūpī chaitanyadravyakā vishvās nahīn ātā hai.

... kuchh agnāt nahīn rahegā. jānaneke liye vyartha prayatna karatā hai. andarakā svaghar bhī gnāt hogā aur sab gnāt hogā. kuchh agnāt nahīn rahegā, lekin use bāhar hī vyartha prayatna karanā hai. jānanekā svabhāv hai isaliye sab jānanā hai. gneyake bhed kar- karake jānanā hai. itanā bāharakā jānanekā (ras hai), bāharase jānaneko ākul-vyākūl (hotā hai).

prashamamūrti bhagavatī mātano jay ho!

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