Benshreeni Amrut Vani Part 2 Transcripts-Hindi (simplified iso15919 transliteration). Track: 246.

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પૂજ્ય ગુરુદેવશ્રી સ્વપ્નામાં આવેલા તે વિષે..    0   Play
pūjya gurudevashrī svapnāmān āvelā te viṣhe..    0   Play

વિડિયો તત્ત્વચર્ચાથી લોકોને બહુ લાભ થયો છે તે વિષે....અપેક્ષાઓના ખ્યાલ બહાર રહેવાથી ઘણા ગુચવાડા થયા છે? પણ આપ ખુલાસા કરો છો તો ખુલાસા પણ થઈ જાય છે    3:45   Play
viḍiyo tattvacharchāthī lokone bahu lābh thayo chhe te viṣhe....apekṣhāonā khyāl bahār rahevāthī ghaṇā guchavāḍā thayā chhe? paṇ āp khulāsā karo chho to khulāsā paṇ thaī jāy chhe    3:45   Play

(આત્મા સ્વપ્રકાશક છે તેમ કહેવામાં આવે છે) અને સ્વપરપ્રકાશક છે એમ પણ કહેવામાં આવે છે તેની વિવક્ષા શું છે?    7:25   Play
(ātmā svaprakāshak chhe tem kahevāmān āve chhe) ane svaparaprakāshak chhe em paṇ kahevāmān āve chhe tenī vivakṣhā shun chhe?    7:25   Play

દ્રવ્ય-ગુણ-પર્યાય વસ્તુકા સ્વભાવ હૈ ઉનકે બીચ, અંશ-અંશીકા ભેદ હૈ ઉસ સમ્બન્ધમેં    13:30   Play
dravya-guṇ-paryāy vastukā svabhāv hai unake bīch, ansh-anshīkā bhed hai us sambandhamen    13:30   Play

પૂજ્ય ગુરુદેવશ્રીકી વર્ણીજીસે ચર્ચા હુઈ થી ઉન્હોંને કહા ‘રાગ કર્મસે હોતા હૈ’ પૂજ્ય ગુરુદેવશ્રીને કહા અપનેસે હોતા હૈ.....પર્યાય દ્રવ્યમેંેસે નિકલતી હૈ તો દ્રવ્યમેં કમી નહીં હોતી નિકલતે નિકલતે?    14:20   Play
pūjya gurudevashrīkī varṇījīse charchā huī thī unhonne kahā ‘rāg karmase hotā hai’ pūjya gurudevashrīne kahā apanese hotā hai.....paryāy dravyamenese nikalatī hai to dravyamen kamī nahīn hotī nikalate nikalate?    14:20   Play

દ્રવ્ય સ્વતંત્ર સ્વતઃસિદ્ધ અકારણ પારિણામિકભાવરૂપ છે તે સમ્બન્ધમાં    16:20   Play
dravya svatantra svataḥsiddha akāraṇ pāriṇāmikabhāvarūp chhe te sambandhamān    16:20   Play

samādhānaḥ- gurudevakī āgnā huyī. phir manamen aisā huā ki main to kadāchit mān lūn̐, parantu ye sabako bechāroṅko... sabako duḥkh ho, usakā kyā? gurudevane koī javāb nahīn diyā. parantu us din sabako aisā ho gayā thā ki mānon gurudev virājate hõn. guruedavane bahut pramod-se kahā, main yahīn hūn̐, aisā mānanā. aisā kuchh nahīn rakhanā, aisā kahā. svapna itanā hī thā. svapnamen ūpar-se pādhare hon, aisā svapna thā.

mumukṣhuḥ- āpakī bhāvanā-se gurudevakī dūj alaukik rūp-se manāyī gayī. vaishākh shuklā-dūja.

samādhānaḥ- vaishākh shukla-dūj, bahut achchhī tarah-se manāyī gayī.

mumukṣhuḥ- .. svayam bhī padhāre ho, aisā ban sakatā hai.

samādhānaḥ- ban sakatā hai, apaneko lage gurudev svapnamen padhāre. gurudev gaye tab bhī thoḍe mahine pahale bhī devakā aisā svapna āyā thā. gurudevake rūpamẽn. main yahīn hūn̐, aisā mānanā. vah bhaktimen joḍā hai na? indra sarīkhā shobhī rahyā chhe..

mumukṣhuḥ- vah svapnake anusandhānamen hai?

samādhānaḥ- svapna aur antar-se sab juḍā hai. mujhe to aisā bhāvanā hotī hai ki gurudev yahān̐-se vimānamen jāte ho, .. padhārate haĩn. gurudev sīmandhar bhagavānakī vāṇī sunane (jāte hain). aisī bhāvanā ho, devoṅkī to shakti hai, sīdhe mahāvidehamen jāye. parantu ye bharat aur mahāvideh donon samīp hai. sīmandhar bhagavān jahān̐ virājate hain, vah mahāvideh aur yah bharat, ghātukī khaṇḍa dūr hai, parantu bhagavān virājate hain vah mahāvideh aurayah bharatakṣhetra donon samīp hai. ye bharatakṣhetra to bīchamen ātā hai. devoṅko to bīchamen āye yā na āye, ve to avadhignān-se jān sakate haĩn.

mumukṣhuḥ- is bār āpako phoṭomen kuchh prakāsh jaisā lagatā thā.

samādhānaḥ- sab log kahate the ki gurudev sākṣhāt virājate haĩn. phir in logonne viḍīyo dikhāyā to viḍīyamon kaun jāne aisā prakāsh, aisā kuchh lagā ki mānon gurudev hai. mainne to vahān̐ mātra darshan kiye, main to is or baiṭhī thī. dūsare log kahate the. darshan karate samay ... utanī bāt hai. parantu ye viḍīyomen mujhe aisā lagā ki ye kis

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jātakā lagatā hai? gurudev sākṣhāt virājate hain, aisā bhāv āyā. us jātakā viḍīyokā koī prakāsh ā gayā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- prasaṅg itanā sundar rūp-se manāyā gayā ki aisā thoḍā anumān ho ki gurudev sākṣhāt yahān̐ padhāre hõn.

samādhānaḥ- hān̐, padhāre ho aisā lage.

mumukṣhuḥ- āshīrvādakā phoṭo hī aisā lagatā thā ki māno āshīrvād diye hõn. sākṣhāt padhāre hõn.

samādhānaḥ- gurudevakā mastak aur ye sab alag dikhatā thā, mānon sākṣhāt kyon na ho! aisā dikhe. mujhe to kuchh mālūm nahīn thā, sab kahate the. lekin kaun-sā phoṭo aur kyā lagatā hai, viḍīyomen achānak dekhā to aisā hī lagā.

mumukṣhuḥ- āpakī gurudev prati bhakti hī aisī hai.

samādhānaḥ- aisā ho. bākī gurudev to devamen virājate haĩn.

mumukṣhuḥ- ..

samādhānaḥ- koī-koī bār bolū vah āye. bākī..

mumukṣhuḥ- hame to utanā hī chāhiye.

samādhānaḥ- prasaṅg ho tab ā jātā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- madhyastha logoṅko to bahut lābh huā hai. ... kahate hain ki bahut..

samādhānaḥ- tattva charchā karate ho us vakta dhūnamen bhale yathārtha ātā ho, bāhar prakāshit karanemen chāron pahalū āne chāhiye. vah sab usamen dhyān rakhanā paḍe. viḍiyo to kabhī-kabhī lete haĩn.

mumukṣhuḥ- āpako to sahaj hotā hai, usamen āpako dhyān rakhanā paḍe...

samādhānaḥ- vah to sahaj ātā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- charchāmen chāron pahalūoṅko āp samāviṣhṭa karī hī dete ho. āp kahate ho, lekin us charchāmen us viṣhayamen āp chāron pahalūoṅko dūsare-tīsare prakār-se ā hī jātā hai. bhāī aisā nahīn kahate hain ki kisīko shaṅkā paḍe aur dūsarā artha nikāle. aisā bhī nahīn hotā.

samādhānaḥ- pahale din charchā prashnamen bhedagnānakī dhūn thī to bhedagnānakā bolī, phir dūsarī bār āpane pūchhā. phir chāron pahalūse spaṣhṭa āyā. pahale bhedagnān par vajan āyā, phir āpane prashna kiyā to jyādā spaṣhṭa ho gayā.

mumukṣhuḥ- parantu samajhanevālā ātmā samajh jātā hai.

samādhānaḥ- hān̐, vah to samajh (jāy), āshay samajh jānā chāhiye.

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mumukṣhuḥ- apekṣhāon̐kī khīn̐chatān-se jo kuchh ulajhanen utpanna huyī hai, āp spaṣhṭīkaraṇ karate ho to sabako ek jātakā samādhān bhī ho jātā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- sabake pakṣha aise ho gaye haĩn. jise jignāsā ho vah samajhatā hai. bākī sabakī dr̥uṣhṭi anusār sab khīñchate haĩn. .. bāt aisī hai, sabakī dr̥uṣhṭi anusār khīn̐ch lete hai. jise jignāsā yathārtha ho, use barābar samajhamen āye aisā hai. aisā bahut bār hotā hai. to bhī koī prasaṅg ho to tab āp viḍīyo lāte hī ho.

mumukṣhuḥ- hamen to āp pharamāte ho, isaliye vah prasaṅg hī ban jātā hai.

samādhānaḥ- .. gurudevane to chāron or barasāt barasā gaye haĩn. main to ṭhīk, prashna pūchhe usake javāb detī hū̃n. gurudevane chāron or mūsalādhār bārīsh barasā dī hai. har jagar aṅkur utpanna ho gaye, aisī barasāt barasāyī hai. ām boye haĩn.

mumukṣhuḥ- bārīsh barasaneke bād kisīne aṅgīkār kar liyā ho, usamen-se bhī nadī, jharane ādi bahate hain na. usakā bhī lābh to milanā chāhiye na. ... dete hoṅge, usakā lābh to ham lenevāle haĩn.

samādhānaḥ- āp āte ho tab prashna to pūchhate hī ho.

mumukṣhuḥ- bālak ho to usakī ek ādat hotī hai ki mātāko thoḍā pareshān kare. aur mātāko aisā hotā hai ki bālak pareshān kare to bhī manamen use ānanda hotā hai ki bhale bālak pareshān kare. isaliye ham bālak jaise haĩn.

samādhānaḥ-

prashna-charchā hotī hai, bākī svāsthya aisā rahatā hai, isaliye thoḍī dikkat hotī hai. gurudevane bahut (samajhāyā hai). bahut prashna ho gaye haĩn.

mumukṣhuḥ- .. svaparaprakāshak hai aisā bhī kahanemen ātā hai. donoṅkī vivakṣhā kyā hai? kahān̐ vajan hai?

samādhānaḥ- svaprakāshak arthāt svayam paramen jātā nahīn hai, par padārthake sāth ek nahīn ho jātā hai. sva aur para. jo bhī jānatā hai, vah svayam gnānake svabhāv-se jānatā hai. par-se svayam jānatā nahīn hai. isaliye svaprakāshak kahanemen ātā hai. bākī svaparaprakāshak usakā svabhāv hai.

svaprakāshak yānī svako hī jāne aur parako jānatā hī nahīn, use parakā kuchh gnān hī nahīn hotā hai, aisā usakā artha nahīn hai. to-to usakā gnānasvabhāv maryādit ho jāya. svaprakāshak yānī parako jānatā hī nahīn, aisā ho to gnān maryādit ho jāya. vāstavamen svayam apanī pariṇatimen rahe, svabhāvamen rahe aur sahaj gnāt ho jāya. arthāt gnān gnānako jānatā hai, gnān parako nahīn jānatā hai, us apekṣhā-se aisā kahanemen ātā hai. parantu gnān gnānako jāne yānī vah dūsare kā kuchh svarūp jānatā nahīn hai,

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aisā nahīn hai.

vah gneyoṅkā svarūp jānatā hai. gnānamen sab gneyoṅkā svarūp ātā hai. ananta gney jo jagatamen hain, chhaḥ dravya, usake dravya-guṇ-paryāy, usakā bhūt-vartamān-bhaviṣhya sab usake gnānamen ātā hai. yadi gnānamen na āye to use gnānasvabhāv kaise kahen? gnānaguṇ use kahate hain ki jisamen maryādā na ho, aisā guṇ ho. isaliye vah pūrṇa jānatā hai. gnānamen use sab ātā hai. upayog bāhar nahīn jātā, apanī pariṇatimen rahakar, gnān gnānamen rahakar sab jānatā hai. aisā usakā svabhāv hai. isaliye svaparaprakāshak is tarah hai.

paramen jākar, usakā kṣhetra chhoḍakar bāhar nahīn jātā hai. apane kṣhetramen rahakar jāne, yānī gnān gnānake svarūpako jāne, gnān gnānako jāne, aisā kahanemen ātā hai. lekin vah gnān gnānako jāne isaliye usamen dūsarekā gnān ātā hī nahīn hai, aisā nahīn hai. pūre lokālokakā gnān, narka, svarga, pūre lokālokakā gnān, chhaḥ dravya, usake dravya- guṇ-paryāy, bhūt-vartamān-bhaviṣhya kuchh na jāne, yadi vah nahīn jānatā ho to. gnānamen sab ātā hai. ataḥ gnān svaparaprakāshak hai.

kevalagnān hotā hai tab sahaj gnāt hotā hai, usakā svabhāv hī hai. nahīn hotā tabatak usakā adhūrā gnān hai. svayam apane svarūpamen rahe isaliye usakā upayog bāhar nahīn hotā, isaliye nirvikalpatāke samay use bāharakā upayog nahīn hai. bākī usake gnānakā nāsh nahīn huā hai. gnānakī shakti to amaryādit hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- matalab upayogātmak rūpase bāharakā jānanā us vakta nahīn hotā.

samādhānaḥ- nahīn hai, upayogātmak nahīn hai. bākī usamen aisī jānanekī shakti nahīn hai, aisā nahīn hai. pratyabhignān... gnān to hai, aisā svabhāv hai. to bhūtakālakā kuchh jāne hī nahīn, bhaviṣhyakā kuchh jāne hī nahī̃n. aisā nahīn hai. kevalagnān hone- se pahale pūrvakā sab jāne aisā usakā .. hai. nahīn hai, aisā nahī̃n.

mumukṣhuḥ- pūrvakā jānatā hai, vartamān jānatā hai aur bhaviṣhyakā..

samādhānaḥ- bhaviṣhyakā jāne, sab jān sakatā hai. aisā usakā svabhāv hai. usakī dishā par taraph-gney taraph (hai). terī dishā badal de. terī dishā svasanmukh kar de. tere svadravya taraph terī dishā badal de. bākī kuchh gnāt nahīn hotā hai, aisā nahīn hai. apanī pariṇati sva-or gayī aur upayog svayam nirvikalpa svarūpamen sthir huā, isaliye bāharakā upayog nahīn hai, isaliye gnāt nahīn hotā. usakā svabhāv nāsh nahīn huā. vah adhūrā gnān hai isaliye kram-kram-se gnān jānatā hai. upayog andar sthir ho gayā, isaliye bāharakā gnāt nahīn hotā.

mumukṣhuḥ- upayogātmak sthiti alag hai aur svabhāvakī sthiti..

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samādhānaḥ- svabhāvakī pariṇati... samyagdr̥uṣhṭi apane astitvakī jo pratīt huyī, use gnāyakakī dhārā hai. vah pariṇati gnāyak gnāyakarūp pariṇamatī hai. aur main is svarūp hūn̐ aur is svarūp nahīn hūn̐, aisī pariṇati to use sahaj chalatī hai. main chaitanya gnāyak svarūp hūn̐ aur is svarūp nahīn hū̃n. yah hūn̐ aur yah nahīn hū̃n. aisī do jātakī usakī pariṇati, aisā sahaj gnān use vartatā hī rahatā hai. upayogarūp nahīn hai. vah labdha hai usakā matalab ek or paḍā hai, aisā nahī̃n. use vedanamen aisā ātā hai ki main yah hūn̐ aur yah nahīn hū̃n. yah main hūn̐-gnāyak hūn̐ aur yah nahīn hū̃n. aisā sahaj gnān nirantar use gnāyakakī dhārā rahatī hī hai. savikalpa dashāmen aisī gnāyakadhārā vartatī rahatī hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- ahampanā rūp vr̥utti athavā vyāpār nirantar chalatā hī rahatā hai.

samādhānaḥ- vah nirantar chalatī hai. main yah hūn̐, isaliye usamen main nahīn hūn̐, aisā ā jātā hai. main yah hūn̐, isaliye parase bhinna yah main hū̃n.

mumukṣhuḥ- yah main hūn̐, aisī pariṇati (vartatī hai to) vahān̐ use svaprakāshak kahanā hai?

samādhānaḥ- svaprakāshak aur par, donon sāthamen ā gayā. svaparaprakāshak hai. usakī pariṇati svaparaprakāshak hai. pratīti-yah main hūn̐-aisā dr̥uḍh hai. pratīti nirvikalpa hai, parantu gnānakī dhārā hai ki yah main hūn̐ aur yah nahīn hūn̐, vah svaparaprakāshak hai. asti aur nāsti donon gnānamen ā gayā hai. pratītimen main yah hūn̐, dr̥uṣhṭimen yah main hūn̐, aisā (hai). bākī gnānakī-gnāyakakī dhārā chalatī hai. yah main hūn̐ aur yah nahīn hū̃n. us jātakī sahaj pariṇati hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- dishā sva taraph karanī hai, vah ek alag bāt hai. bākī svabhāv to aisā hī hai.

samādhānaḥ- svabhāv to aisā hī hai. dishā sva taraph palaṭanī hai. samādhānaḥ- dravya-guṇ-paryāy to vastukā svabhāv hai. paryāy ek ansh (hai). ansh jitanā anshī nahīn hai. (anshī) akhaṇḍa hai, vah to ansh hai. dr̥uṣhṭikī apekṣhā-se paryāy meremen nahīn hai. paryāy hai hī nahīn, aisā to nahīn hai. dravya-guṇ-paryāy vastukā svabhāv hai.

gnān sabakā hotā hai. dravya-guṇ-paryāy sabakā. paryāy jitanā, ek ansh jitanā kṣhaṇik, aisā kṣhaṇik svabhāv ātmākā nahīn hai. ātmā shāshvat hai. paryāy kṣhaṇ-kṣhaṇ palaṭatī rahatī hai. aise gnān karanā. paryāy nahīn hove to paryāy ūpar-ūpar nahīn hotī hai, paryāy dravyake āshrayase hotī hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- shikharajīmen charchā huyī thī gurudevakī varṇījīke sāth, usamen unhonne kahā thā ki ... hotā hai. to gurudevane kahā thā, rāgakī paryāy .. hotī hai.

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samādhānaḥ- kisake sāth charchā huyī thī?

mumukṣhuḥ- varṇījīke sātha.

samādhānaḥ- hān̐, apane puruṣhārthakī mandatā-se rāgakī paryāy hotī hai. shuddhātmākī shuddha paryāy shuddhātmāke āshray-se hotī hai. aur puruṣhārthakī kamajorī-se rāgakī paryāy hotī hai. karma karavātā nahī̃n. karma jabarajastī nahīn karavātā. ātmā svayam rāgarūp pariṇamatā hai.

jaise sphaṭik harā, pīlā rūp pariṇamatā hai, vah sphaṭik pariṇamatā hai. lāl- pīle phūl usamen nahīn āte. vah to nimitta hai. pariṇaman sphaṭikakā hai. vaise pariṇaman chaitanyakā hai. aur mūl svabhāv jo sphaṭikakā hai, usakā nāsh nahīn hotā. ātmāke mūl svabhāvakā nāsh nahīn hotā hai. usake shuddha svabhāvakā nāsh nahīn hotā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- paryāy dravyamen-se nikalatī hai to nikalate-nikalate kuchh kam nahīn hotī hai? andar-se nikalatī hai to?

samādhānaḥ- to-to dravyakā nāsh ho jāya. rāg bhītaramen nahīn hai, rāgarūp ātmā pariṇamatā hai. shuddhātmākī shuddha paryāy shuddhātmāke āshray-se hotī hai. bhītar-se nikalate- nikalate (kam ho jāy) to dravyakā nāsh ho jāya. aisā nahīn hai. dravya to ananta shakti (sampanna hai). ananta kāl dravya pariṇaman karatā hai to bhī dravya to aisākā aisā hai.

gnānakī paryāy ek samayamen lokālok jānatī hai. to bhī ananta kāl pariṇaman kare to usamen kam nahīn hotā hai. aisā koī dravyakā achintya svabhāv hai. usamen truṭ nahīn paḍatī. ananta kāl pariṇame to bhī.

samādhānaḥ- ... koī kāraṇ-se dravya utpanna huā hai yā koī kāraṇ-se usakā nāsh hotā hai, aisā nahīn hai. dravya akāraṇ svataḥsiddha anādiananta hai. aur usakā jo pariṇaman hai, vah svataḥ pariṇamatā hai. vah kisīke āshray-se pariṇamatā hai yā koī use madad kare to pariṇamatā hai, koī use viparīt kare to viparīt ho aur sulaṭā kare to sulaṭā ho, aisā nahīn hai. akāraṇ pāriṇāmik dravya-use koī kāraṇ lāgū nahīn paḍatā. vah svayam pariṇamatā hai.

svayam anādiananta svabhāvamen pariṇame usamen vibhāv andar usake svabhāvamen pravesh nahīn karatā. aisā akāraṇ svayam apane svabhāv-se pariṇamatā hai, aisā usakā svabhāv hai. aur vibhāv ho to bhī vah svayam svatantra pariṇamatā hai. aur svayam svabhāvako pragaṭ kare to bhī svatantra hai. usamen nimitta kahanemen ātā hai, parantu vāstavamen svayam pariṇamatā hai. usamen koī kāraṇ lāgū nahīn paḍatā. to hī use dravya kahā jāy ki jise koī kāraṇ lāgū nahīn paḍatā. koī nimittake āshray-se pariṇame, kisīkī madad-se pariṇame to us dravyakī dravyatā hī nahīn rahatī.

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dravya hī use kahate hain ki jise kisīkī sahāyatākī jarūrat na paḍe. usakā nām dravya hai. vah dravya anādiananta svataḥsiddha akāraṇ pariṇamatā hai. vah usakā svabhāv hai. svayam apanā svabhāv kisī bhī prakār-se toḍatā nahīn hai. aise to pariṇamatā hai, parantu vibhāvamen bhī karmakā nimittamātra hai. svayam pariṇamatā hai. svabhāvamen palaṭatā hai vah svayam-se palaṭatā hai, svabhāv taraph bhedagnān karake. usamen dev-guru-shāstra nimitta hote haĩn. parantu upādān svayaṅkā hai.

vah akāraṇ pāriṇāmik dravya hai ki jise koī kāraṇ lāgū nahīn paḍatā. abhī tak jīv svabhāv taraph kyon palaṭatā nahīn? vah usakā svayaṅkā kāraṇ hai, kisīkā kāraṇ nahīn hai. use koī dūsarekā kāraṇ lāgū nahīn paḍatā. svayam apane hī kāraṇ- se vibhāvamen pariṇame, apane kāraṇ svabhāvamen pariṇame. aisā akāraṇ pāriṇāmik dravya hai. aisā usakā pariṇaman svabhāv svataḥsiddha hai. koī use pariṇaman karavātā nahīn aur kisī anya-se usakā nāsh nahīn hotā.

prashamamūrti bhagavatī mātano jay ho!

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