Benshreeni Amrut Vani Part 2 Transcripts-Hindi (simplified iso15919 transliteration). Track: 247.

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પરમ પારિણામિકભાવમાં ‘પારિણામિક’ શબ્દ પરિણામસૂચક લાગે છે, તો નિષ્ક્રિય ધ્રુવ સ્વભાવનું જે જાણપણું છે તેમાં પરિણામ છે ?    0   Play
param pāriṇāmikabhāvamān ‘pāriṇāmik’ shabda pariṇāmasūchak lāge chhe, to niṣhkriy dhruv svabhāvanun je jāṇapaṇun chhe temān pariṇām chhe ?    0   Play

વસ્તુનું બંધારણ પહેલા જાણવું જોઈએ તો બંધારણ વસ્તુનું કેવા પ્રકારનું છે ?    3:05   Play
vastunun bandhāraṇ pahelā jāṇavun joīe to bandhāraṇ vastunun kevā prakāranun chhe ?    3:05   Play

કોઈપણ પર્યાય શુદ્ધ હોય કે અશુદ્ધ હોય તે ધ્રુવમાંથી નીકળતી નથી જો તેમાંથી નીકળતી હોય તો ધ્રુવ ખાલી થઈ જાય? તો પછી સ્વભાવ ઉપર દ્રષ્ટિ જાય તો શુદ્ધ પર્યાય પ્રગટે તેનું શું કારણ?    4:05   Play
koīpaṇ paryāy shuddha hoy ke ashuddha hoy te dhruvamānthī nīkaḷatī nathī jo temānthī nīkaḷatī hoy to dhruv khālī thaī jāy? to pachhī svabhāv upar draṣhṭi jāy to shuddha paryāy pragaṭe tenun shun kāraṇ?    4:05   Play

....પરિણમવું એ તો સિદ્ધાંતિક વાત છે શુભાશુભભાવરૂપે અથવા શુદ્ધરૂપે પરિણમવું તેમાં જીવનો અમુક ગુણ નિમિત્ત બને જેમ કે જ્ઞાન-દર્શન?    6:35   Play
....pariṇamavun e to siddhāntik vāt chhe shubhāshubhabhāvarūpe athavā shuddharūpe pariṇamavun temān jīvano amuk guṇ nimitta bane jem ke gnān-darshan?    6:35   Play

પ્રમાણના વિષયભૂત દ્રવ્ય લઈએ તો કથંચિત કુટસ્થ અને કથંચિત્ પરિણામી કહીએ પણ જે ધ્રુવત્વભાવ છે તેને કથંચિત કૂટસ્થ અને કથંચિત્ પરિણામી એમ કહેવાય?    9:40   Play
pramāṇanā viṣhayabhūt dravya laīe to kathañchit kuṭastha ane kathañchit pariṇāmī kahīe paṇ je dhruvatvabhāv chhe tene kathañchit kūṭastha ane kathañchit pariṇāmī em kahevāy?    9:40   Play

રાગ-દ્વેષ આવે છે તે ન આવે તેનો ઉપાય બતાવશો?    13:15   Play
rāg-dveṣh āve chhe te na āve teno upāy batāvasho?    13:15   Play

સ્વાઘ્યાય કરવા બેસીએ ત્યારે કંઈક મન પરોવાય પણ વચમાં બીજા વિકલ્પો આવે છે તે વિકલ્પો ન આવે તેનો ઉપાય શો?    14:20   Play
svāghyāy karavā besīe tyāre kanīk man parovāy paṇ vachamān bījā vikalpo āve chhe te vikalpo na āve teno upāy sho?    14:20   Play

મુંઝવણનો ઉકેલ શું આ એક જ છે?    15:30   Play
muñjhavaṇano ukel shun ā ek ja chhe?    15:30   Play

mumukṣhuḥ- paramapāriṇāmikabhāvamen pāriṇāmik shabda to pariṇām sūchak lagatā hai. to dhruv niṣhkriy svabhāvarūp jānapanā jo hai, usamen pariṇām māne kyā? jānapanāmen pariṇām kyā?

samādhānaḥ- anādiananta hai. pāriṇāmikabhāv ... svayam svabhāvarūp pariṇamatā hai. usamen jo vibhāvakī kriyā, nimittakī kriyāoṅkā pariṇaman nahīn hai. parantu svayam niṣhkriy (hai), pariṇāmako sūchit karatā hai. niṣhkriy apane svabhāvako sadr̥ushya pariṇām-se jo ṭikāye rakhatā hai. pariṇām hai, parantu vah pariṇām aisā pariṇām nahīn hai ki jo pariṇām dūsareke ādhār-se yā dūsare-se pariṇame aisā pariṇām nahīn hai, niṣhkriy pariṇām hai. vah pariṇām shabda hai, parantu mūl svabhāv-se use koī apekṣhā-se niṣhkriy kahanemen ātā hai. niṣhkriy pariṇām kahanemen ātā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- kūṭastha shabda isamen isake sāth kaise biṭhānā?

samādhānaḥ- koī apekṣhā-se use kūṭastha kahanemen ātā hai. pāriṇāmī svabhāv hai vah kāryako sūchit karatā hai. isaliye .. ṭikāye rakhatā hai. isaliye vah dhruv hai. aur dhruv hone par bhī jo utpād-vyayarūp pariṇamatā hai. aise utpād-vyay aur dhruv, tīnoṅkā sambandha hai. tīnon apekṣhāyukta haĩn. akelā dhruv nahīn hotā, akele utpād- vyay nahīn hote. utpād kisakā hotā hai? jo dhruv, jo hai usakā utpād hai. vyay bhī jo nahīn hai, usakā vyay kyā? isaliye usakī paryāyakā vyay hotā hai. utpād bhī jo hai usakā utpād hotā hai. isaliye hai, usamen to bīchamen sat to sāthamen ā jātā hai. dhruv to sat hai.

jo nahīn hai usakā utpād nahīn hotā. jo nahīn hai usakā vyay hotā nahī̃n. jo hai usamen koī pariṇāmakā utpād aur koī pariṇāmakā vyay hotā hai. hai usakā hotā hai. isaliye dhruvatā ṭikākar, utpād aur dhruvatā ṭikākar vyay hotā hai. jo asat- jo jagatamen nahīn hai, usakā utpād nahīn hotā. jo nahīn hai, usakā kahīn nāsh nahīn hai. jo sat hai, us satakā utpād aur jo hai usamen vyay hotā hai. isaliye usamen dhruvamen utpād-vyayakī apekṣhā sāthamen hai.

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mumukṣhuḥ- dhruv binā akele utpād-vyayakā vichār karanā bhī vyartha hai.

samādhānaḥ- vyartha hai. dhruv binā akelā utpād-vyay kyā? kahīn asatakā utpād nahīn hotā. jo nahīn hai, usakā vyay nahīn hotā, jo hai usakā vyay hotā hai. dhruvatā ṭikākar utpād aur vyay hote haĩn. paryāyakā utpād-vyay hai aur dravya svayam ṭikatā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- vastukā bandhāraṇ pahale jānanā chāhiye. to vah bandhāraṇ kaisā? vastukā bandhāraṇ kise kahate hain?

samādhānaḥ- vastu kis svabhāv-se hai? vah kis prakār-se nitya hai? kis prakār-se anitya hai? kis apekṣhā-se nitya hai? kis apekṣhā-se anitya? usakā utpād-vyay kyā? usakā dhruv kyā? usakā dravya kyā? use guṇ kyā? usakī paryāy kyā? dravya kaisā svataḥsiddha anādiananta hai? vah sab usakā bandhāraṇ hai. dravya-guṇ- paryāy, utpād-vyay aur svataḥsiddhapanā anādiananta, ādi sab usakā bandhāraṇ hai. phir dravya, usamen vibhāv kaise huā? usakā svabhāv kaise pragaṭ ho? mūl vastu, usake dravya-guṇ-paryāy, utpād-vyay usakā-dravyakā bandhāraṇ hai. usakā koī kartā nahīn hai, svayam svataḥsiddha vastu hai. vah usakā bandhāraṇ hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- koī paryāy shuddha ho yā ashuddha ho, vah dhruvamen-se to nikalatī nahīn hai. nikale to dhruv khālī ho jāya. to phir svabhāv par dr̥uṣhṭi jāy to hī paryāyamen shuddha ansh pragaṭ ho, usakā kyā kāraṇ?

samādhānaḥ- dhruvamen-se nahīn nikalatī hai arthāt jo vastu svayam ananta shakti- ananta guṇ-se bharī vastu hai. dr̥uṣhṭi svabhāv par jāy, usamen guṇ pāriṇāmikabhāv hai, usamen paryāy pragaṭ hotī hai. dhruv khālī nahīn ho jātā. ananta kāl pariṇame to bhī dravya kahīn khālī nahīn ho jātā. pariṇame to bhī jyoṅkā tyon rahatā hai. aisī dravyakī koī achintyatā hai. usamen ananta guṇ haĩn. un guṇoṅkī paryāy-usakā kārya hotā hī rahatā hai. yadi kārya na ho to vah guṇ kaisā? vah aisā kūṭastha nahīn hai. to phir dravya pahachānamen hī na āye. dravya akelā kūṭastha ho aur pariṇame hī nahīn, to vah dravya pahachānamen nahīn ātā ki yah chetan hai yā jaḍ hai. dravya yadi pariṇame nahīn to pahachān hī nahīn ho. akelā kūṭastha ho to.

kūṭastha to (isaliye kahate hain ki) tū paryāy par yā bhed par dr̥uṣhṭi na kara. dr̥uṣhṭi ek akhaṇḍa jo ekarūp vastu hai us par dr̥uṣhṭi kara. dravyakā jo pāriṇāmik svabhāv hai usakā nāsh nahīn hotā. dravyakī dravyatā kahīn chalī nahīn jātī. dravya pariṇamatā hai. us par dr̥uṣhṭi kare to dravya jis svabhāvarūp ho us svabhāvarūp pariṇamatā hai. usakī dr̥uṣhṭi vibhāv taraph hai to vibhāvakī paryāy hotī hai aur svabhāv par dr̥uṣhṭi jāy to

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svabhāvakī paryāy ho. to bhī usakā jo svabhāv hai, dravya dravyatva chhoḍatā nahīn, dravya dravyarūp to pariṇamatā hī hai. akelā kūṭastha ho to dravyakī pahachān hī na ho. dravya dravyakā kārya karatā hī rahatā hai. svabhāv par dr̥uṣhṭi jāy to svabhāvakā kārya hotā rahe. svayam sahaj hotā rahatā hai. use buddhipūrvak yā vikalpapūrvak karanā nahīn paḍatā sahaj hī hotā hai. dravya pariṇamatā hī rahatā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- pahale jo āpane kahā ki kathañchit pariṇāmī hai, usake ādhār-se yah...

samādhānaḥ- kathañchit pariṇāmī aur kathañchit apariṇāmī. pariṇāmī hai, dravya pariṇamatā hai. svabhāv par dr̥uṣhṭi jāy to vah svataḥ svayam svabhāvarūp pariṇamatā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- padārthakā gnān, darshan aur chāritrarūp prati samay binā prayatna pariṇaman to hotā hī rahatā hai. kyoṅki pariṇamanā vah to siddhāntik bāt hai. to shubhāshubh rūp athavā shuddharūp, kis prakār pariṇamanā usamen jīvakā koī amuk guṇ nimitta paḍatā hai, arthāt gnān yā vīrya?

samādhānaḥ- usamen usakā gnāyak jo asādhāraṇ guṇ hai, us gnānako pahachāne, gnāyakatāko pahachāne. aur us rūp pratītako dr̥uḍh kare. dr̥uṣhṭi arthāt pratīta. dravya par dr̥uṣhṭi-pratīt kare, us prakārakā gnān kare aur us jātakā usakī ānshik pariṇati hotī hai. isaliye usamen use gnān, darshan aur chāritra to (hote hī hain). visheṣh chāritra to bādamen hotā hai. lekin usamen dr̥uṣhṭi, gnān aur usakī ānshik pariṇati ho to usakī shuddha paryāy pragaṭ hotī hai.

dr̥uṣhṭi to ek dravya par hai, usake sāth use gnān bhī samyak hotā hai. aur pariṇati bhī us taraph jhukatī hai. to usamen-se shuddha paryāy, dravyamen-se sarvaguṇānsh so samyagdarshan pragaṭ hotā hai. āj āyā thā na? dravya kise kahate hain? jo dravit ho so dravya. gurudevakī ṭepamen āyā thā.

mumukṣhuḥ- jī hān̐, āj subah pravachanamen āyā thā.

samādhānaḥ- hān̐, āj subah (āyā thā). jo dravit ho use dravya kahate haĩn. dravya pariṇamatā hai. svabhāv par dr̥uṣhṭi jāy to svabhāvarūp pariṇamatā hai. vibhāvamen dr̥uṣhṭi hai to vibhāvakī paryāyen hotī haĩn. svabhāv par dr̥uṣhṭi jāy to svabhāvakī paryāyen hotī haĩn. bākī vastu to pāriṇāmikabhāv-se anādiananta ekarūp sadr̥ushya pariṇām-se pariṇamatā hai. vah koī apekṣhā-se kūṭastha aur koī apekṣhā-se pariṇāmī, koī apekṣhā-se apariṇāmī hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- akelā kūṭastha mānen to sab bhūl hotī hai.

samādhānaḥ- akelā kūṭastha ho to usamen koī vedan bhī nahīn hogā, svānubhūti

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bhī nahīn hogī. kisī bhī prakārakā guṇakā kārya (nahīn hogā). jo kevalagnān pragaṭ hotā hai vah bhī nahīn hogā, chāritra nahīn hogā, kuchh nahīn hogā. yadi akelā kūṭastha ho to koī kārya hī dravyamen nahīn hogā. akelā kūṭastha ho to. kathañchit pariṇāmī, apariṇāmī hai.

siddha bhagavān kevalagnān prāpta karake, svarūpamen unhen pariṇāmīpanā, pariṇām pariṇamate hī rahate haĩn. unhen pratyek guṇ pūrṇa ho gaye. to bhī pratyek guṇakā kārya agurulaghu svabhāvake kāraṇ sab pariṇamate hī rahate haĩn. ananta kāl paryant pariṇame to bhī usamen-se khālī hī nahīn hotā, utanākā utanā rahatā hai. gnān ananta kāl paryant pariṇame, ānanda ananta kāl paryant ānandakā sāgar pariṇamatā hai, to bhī usamen-se kam hotā hī nahīn, utanākā utanā rahatā hai. aisī dravyakī achintyatā hai. aisā hī koī dravyakā achintya pāriṇāmik svabhāv hai. aur sāthamen apariṇāmī hai ki jisamen-se kuchh kam nahīn hotā, pariṇame to bhī.

mumukṣhuḥ- pramāṇake viṣhayakā dravya len to kathañchit kūṭastha aur kathañchit pariṇāmī kah sakate hain, parantu jo dhruvatva bhāv hai use bhī kathañchit kūṭastha aur kathañchit pariṇāmī kah sakate hain?

samādhānaḥ- dr̥uṣhṭi ek dravya par jātī hai, usamen koī bhed nahīn paḍatā hai. isaliye dr̥uṣhṭikī apekṣhā-se to... dr̥uṣhṭi jahān̐ jāy vahān̐ gnān samyak hotā hai. dr̥uṣhṭi aur gnān donon sāthamen hī hote haĩn. akelī dr̥uṣhṭi ho to dr̥uṣhṭi samyak hotī hī nahī̃n. dr̥uṣhṭi kā viṣhay hī aisā hai ki ek par dr̥uṣhṭi kare. gnānakā viṣhay aisā hai ki vah donoṅko jāne. parantu dr̥uṣhṭi samyak tab hotī hai ki jab usake sāth gnān ho to. gnān dūsarā kām kare aur dr̥uṣhṭi dūsarā kām kare, gnān mithyā ho aur dr̥uṣhṭi samyak ho aisā nahīn banatā.

pramāṇagnānakā matalab vah koī jūṭhā nahīn hai. vah yathārtha gnān hai. dr̥uṣhṭikā viṣhay aisā hai. dr̥uṣhṭi ek par hī hotī hai. parantu gnān usake donon pahalūoṅkā vivek karatā hai. donon pahalūoṅkā vivek sādhak dashāmen sāthamen hī hotā hai. sādhak dashāmen donoṅkā vivek na ho to usakī sādhak dashā hī jūṭhī hogī. ek par hī dr̥uṣhṭi ho to usamen chāritradashā yā kevalagnān yā kuchh nahīn hogā. dr̥uṣhṭi-samyagdarshan jahān̐ huā vahān̐ sab pūrā ho jāyagā. abhī sādhak dashā adhūrī hai. gnān sab vivek karatā hai. dr̥uṣhṭiko pūjanik kahanemen ātā hai.

pramāṇako pūjanik kahoge to ye sab chāritrakī paryāy, kevalagnānakī paryāy koī pūjanik nahīn hogī. muktike mārgamen dr̥uṣhṭi mukhya hai, isaliye use pūjanik (kahate hain). (kyoṅki) muktikā mārga usase prārambh hotā hai. ataḥ use pūjanik (kahakar, gnānako

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gauṇ) karanemen ātā hai. parantu vyavahāramen to kevalagnānakī kaivalya dashā, vītarāg sarvagnadev (hain). sādhak dashā jisane puruṣhārtha karake pragaṭ kī, vah sab pūjanik kahanemen ātā hai. muni dashā pūjanik kahanemen ātī hai. ataḥ dr̥uṣhṭi aur gnān donon sāthamen hī hote haĩn. akelī dr̥uṣhṭi ho aur gnān yadi vivek na kare to vah dr̥uṣhṭi jūṭhī ṭhaharegī.

dr̥uṣhṭikā viṣhay aisā hai ki ek par, ekako viṣhay kare. aur gnān sab vivek kare. aur dr̥uṣhṭi binākā gnān bhī yathārtha nahīn hai. dr̥uṣhṭi mukhya ho, parantu usake sāth gnān ho to un donoṅkā sambandha hai. yadi akelā hogā to galat hogā. dr̥uṣhṭimen kūṭastha āyā isaliye vah sachchā aur gnānamen kathañchit pariṇāmī aur apariṇāmī āyā, isaliye vah jūṭhā, aisā nahīn hai.

kūṭastha to (isaliye kahate hain ki), dr̥uṣhṭi muktike mārgamen mukhya hai isaliye. tūne anādi kāl-se yah sachchā aur yah sachchā, yah bhī sachchā aur yah bhī sachchā, aisā kiyā aur yathārtha samajhā nahīn, isaliye us pramāṇako aisā kahanemen ātā hai. parantu dr̥uṣhṭipūrvakakā jo pramāṇagnān hai vah to yathārtha hai. dr̥uṣhṭine viṣhay kiyā akhaṇḍakā, akhaṇḍakī dr̥uṣhṭi binā muktikā mārga hotā nahī̃n. parantu sāthamen jo gnān rahatā hai, vah donoṅkā- dravya aur paryāyakā vivek karatā hai. isaliye vah pramāṇ bhī yathārtha hai. usake pahalekā pramāṇ koī aisā kahatā ho ki nishchay sachchā aur vyavahār bhī sachchā, aisā karatā ho to vah yathārtha nahīn hai. parantu dr̥uṣhṭipūrvakakā gnān hai vah yathārtha hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- rāg-dveṣh hote hain, vah na ho usakā upāy batāīye.

samādhānaḥ- rāg-dveṣh na ho,.. pahale usakā bhedagnān karanā paḍatā hai. jabatak vah rāgakī dashāmen khaḍā hai, usakī rāgakī ruchi kam ho jānī chāhiye. merā vītarāgī svabhāv main jānanevālā hū̃n. ye rāg merā svarūp nahīn hai. aur chaitanyakā gnāyak svabhāv hai vah merā svabhāv hai. aise svabhāvako pahachānakar rāgakī ruchi kam kare to vah manda hotā hai. bākī usakā nāsh pahale nahīn hotā, pahale usakā bhedagnān hotā hai ki ye rāg merā svabhāv nahīn hai, main usase bhinna jānanevālā, main vītarāgī svabhāv hū̃n. isaliye use bhinna karanekā prayatna kare. bhinna karanekā prayatna kare to vah manda hotā hai. pahale usakā bhedagnān karanekā prayatna karanā ki main gnāyak hūn̐ aur ye rāg-dveṣh haĩn. usakī ekatvabuddhi toḍanekā prayatna karanā.

mumukṣhuḥ- dūsarā prashna hai ki svādhyāy karane baiṭhe to thoḍī der man pirotā hai, parantu bīchamen dūsare vikalpa āte hain, to vah vikalpa na āye usakā upāy kyā hai?

samādhānaḥ- use badalate rahanā bārambār, vikalpa āye use (badalakar) bārambār svādhyāyamen chitta lagānā. anādikā abhyās hai isaliye dūsare vikalpa ā jāy to

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use bārambār badalate rahanā. shrutake chintavanamen upayogako lagānā. vichāramen lagānā, usīmen sthir na rahe to bhale hī shubhabhāvamen (rahe), vichārako badalate rahanā. usakā prayatna karanā. anādikā abhyās hai isaliye bīchamen ā jāy to use badalate rahanā. badalanekā prayatna karanā ki yah merā svabhāv nahīn hai, main usase bhinna hū̃n. is prakār bārambār use badalate rahanā aur shāstrake adhyayanamen chitta lagānā. ekamen hī sthir na rahe to gurudevake, jinendra devake, shrutake vichāroṅko badalate rahanā, ekamen chitta sthir na rahe to. dhyey ek (honā chāhiye ki) main shuddhātmāko kaise pahachānū̃n.

mumukṣhuḥ- ulajhan miṭanekā yah ek hī sthān hai?

samādhānaḥ- gurudevane bahut mārga batāyā hai, parantu grahaṇ svayaṅko karanā paḍatā hai. apūrva ruchi antaramen jāge aur gurudevane kahā vah āshay grahaṇ ho to antaramen palaṭā hue binā rahe nahī̃n. shāstramen ātā hai, tatprati prīti chitten, vārtāpi hī shrutā. vah vārtā bhī apūrva rīt-se sunī ho. gurudevane jo vāṇīmen (kahā), unakā jo āshay thā (use grahaṇ kare) to vah bhāvi nirvāṇ bhājan hai. parantu jo mumukṣhu ho use aise bhī santoṣh nahīn hotā. main antaramen kaise āge baḍhūn̐? jise ruchi jāgr̥ut ho, use ātmā antaramen mile nahīn tabatak santoṣh nahīn hotā. bhale vārtākī apūrvatā lagī, parantu svayaṅko andar jo chāhiye vah prāpta na ho tabatak mumukṣhuko santoṣh nahīn hotā.

jisane gurudevako grahaṇ kiyā, unakā āshay samajhā vah bhāvi nirvāṇ bhājanan. parantu mumukṣhuko antaramen santoṣh nahīn hotā. jabatak andar ātma svarūp jo santoṣhasvarūp hai, jo tr̥uptasvarūp hai, jisamen sab bharā hai, aisā chaitanyadev pragaṭ na ho tabatak use puruṣhārtha hotā nahīn, tabatak use shānti nahīn hotā. aur karanekā vah ek hī hai. abhyās usīkā karanā hai, bārambār usakā abhyās (karanā). manda paḍe to bhī bārambār usakā abhyās karanā. bārambār us taraph hī jānā hai. anādikā abhyās hai isaliye us abhyāsamen jāy to bhī antaramen to svayaṅko hī palaṭanā hai.

antarake abhyāsako baḍhā de aur dūsare abhyāsako gauṇ kare to antaramen-se pragaṭ hue binā nahīn rahatā. bārambār main gnāyakadev hūn̐, ye vibhāv merā svabhāv hī nahīn hai. aise antaramen yadi svayam jāy, bārambār gnāyakadevakā abhyās kare to gnāyakadev pragaṭ hue binā nahīn rahatā. usakā abhyās bārambār chhūṭ jāy, manda paḍ jāy to bhī bārambār karatā rahe. anādikā abhyās hai, puruṣhārthakī mandatā-se usamen juḍ jāy to ekatvabuddhiko bārambār toḍatā rahe. main gnāyak hūn̐, aise bārambār abhyās karatā rahe. din aur rāt usīkā abhyās, usake pīchhe paḍe to vah pragaṭ hue binā nahīn rahatā.

prashamamūrti bhagavatī mātano jay ho!

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