Benshreeni Amrut Vani Part 2 Transcripts-Hindi (simplified iso15919 transliteration). Track: 57.

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આત્મામાં જ્ઞાન ગુણની શકિત એવી છે કે પૂરેપૂરી સમજણ કરીને પોતાનો મહિમા લાવી શકે તેમ શ્રદ્ધા ગુણમાં પણ....    0   Play
ātmāmān gnān guṇanī shakit evī chhe ke pūrepūrī samajaṇ karīne potāno mahimā lāvī shake tem shraddhā guṇamān paṇ....    0   Play

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bhavano abhāv kem thāy tevī laganī lāgavī joīe.... tathā pūjya gurudevashrī viṣhe    3:30   Play

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sukh joīe chhe, chaitanya ruddhi gnān chhe ke sukh chhe? pūrṇa gnān vinā pūrṇa sukh hoy nahīn to shun sukh māṭe gnānano ādhār chhe?    12:10   Play

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mātājī! samyakgnānīne nirantar gnānadhārā hoy chhe. upayog bahāramān hoy tyāre paṇ bhedagnānanī dhārā chālu chhe, te banne ek sāthe kem sambhavī shake te samajāvasho?    18:00   Play

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mumukṣhuḥ- tab āp aisā kahate the ki ātmāmen gnānashakti aisī hai ki pūrī samajhan karake apanī mahimā lā sake, aisī shakti usamen paḍī hī hai. shraddhā bhī aisī hai ki chāhe jo ho...

samādhānaḥ- shraddhāguṇ hai vah ananta balase bharapūr hai. pūrā brahmāṇḍa badal jāy to bhī vah usakī shraddhāse ḍige nahīn, aisā usamen shraddhāguṇ hai. apane dravyako grahaṇ kiyā, aisā grahaṇ karatā hai ki phir kisīse ḍige nahī̃n. aisā shraddhāmen ananta bal hai.

gnānamen aisī anantī shakti hai ki svayam antaramense nakkī kare phir use koī badal nahīn sakatā. jānanevālā guṇ aisā hai ki vah sabako jān sake. jānanemen nahīn jānanā aisā ātā hī nahī̃n. pūrṇa jāne aisī ananta shakti gnānamen bharī hai. aur shraddhāmen bhī vaisā ananta bal bharā hai. gnānamen bhī aisā ananta bal bharā hai. pratyek shakti ananta balase bharapūr hai. aise ananta balase bharapūr na ho to use guṇ hī nahīn kahate. anādiananta vastu jo svayansiddha hai, usamen jo guṇ ho vah ananta balase bharapūr hī hote haĩn.

mumukṣhuḥ- antamen āpane karuṇāpūrvak kahā ki pariṇati to tujhe hī badalanī hai. yah sab hai, kintu karanā to tujhe hai.

samādhānaḥ- tujhe svayaṅko hī karanā hai. pariṇati to koī badal nahīn detā, svayam hī badale to hotā hai. vikalpase shraddhā kare, gnānase jāne, lekin andaramen jo pariṇati karanī hai, vah to svayaṅko hī karanī paḍatī hai.

.. āshray liyā so liyā, vah shraddhāguṇ svayam aisā hai ki chhūṭe nahī. koī use chhuḍā nahīn sakatā. gnānamen bhī aisā bal hai. yathārtha gnān pragaṭ ho, us gnānako koī badal nahīn sakatā. aur līnatā bhī, svarūpakī or jo līnatā pragaṭ kī, us līnatāko ḍigāneko koī samartha nahīn hai. svayaṅke puruṣhārthakī mandatāse ho to ho, bākī use koī kuchh nahīn kar sakatā. līnatākā guṇ jo andarase pragaṭ huā, svarūpamen līn huā, us līnatāko koī nahīn ḍigā sakatā. gnāyakakī pariṇati jo pragaṭ huyī, use koī badal nahīn sakatā.

svayam apanemen ananta balase bharapūr hai. vaise bāhar gayā to use koī badal nahīn

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sakatā. svayam badale aur svayam gnāyakakā āshray le to hotā hai. dev-guru-shāstra sab nimitta mahā balavān hote haĩn. parantu upādān svayaṅkā hotā hai. yadi svayam taiyār nahīn ho aur yadi svayam grahaṇ na kare to nimitta nimittarūpase nimittamen rah jātā hai. bākī svayam grahaṇ kare to hotā hai. puruṣhārthamen bal ātā hai. vah bal tujhe hī pragaṭ karanā hai.

... bhāv to andar laganī laganī chāhiye na. dūsarī laganī... bhavakā abhāv kaise ho? laganī to ek hī hotī hai. itane sāl bīt gaye, ab itane sāl bītanemen kahān̐ der lagegī? aisā hotā thā. pandrah gaye, itane gaye, bīs, pachīs honemen kahān̐ der lagegī? abhī to kuchh hotā nahīn hai. kyā abhī bhī paribhramaṇ karanā hai? abhī duḥkh kyon nahīn lagatā hai? yah sab kyon? yah sab kyā? abhī paribhramaṇakī thakān kyon nahīn lagatī? vibhāvase kaise chhūṭanā?

mumukṣhuḥ- bachapanase hī vahī laganī.

mumukṣhuḥ- usī prakārake hī vikalpa āte rahate haĩn.

samādhānaḥ- vikalpa nahīn, bhāvanā. bhāvanāke sāth vikalpa to hote haĩn. bhāvanā us jātakī, laganī us jātakī. khāte-pīte, jāgate-sote, svapnamen ek hī laganī, dūsarī koī laganī nahīn thī. kahīn chain nahīn paḍe.

vahān̐ jātī thī, kabhīkabhār vāṅkānerake apāsaremen jātī thī. vahān̐ bhī jātī thī. poṣhā karatī thī, ek-do bār kiye the. vahān̐ pūrā din nivr̥utti mile na? isaliye vahān̐ baiṭhatī. apasārāmen ek or kamarā thā, vahān̐ baiṭhatī thī. phir bāhar nikalūn̐ tab dūsare koī ho usake sāth bātachīt karatī. bākī khās koī bāt nahīn karatī thī.

mumukṣhuḥ- kaun-sā darshan satya hai, usīkī jhaṅkhanā thī.

samādhānaḥ- satya kaun-sā hai? satya kyā hai? gurudev kahate the vahī satya lagatā thā. andarase pahachānakar, gurudev svabhāv kahate hain vahī satya hai. parantu nirṇay karaneke liye vichār to svayaṅko āte haĩn.

mumukṣhuḥ- bahinashrī! jātismaraṇ kitane sāl bād huā?

samādhānaḥ- 1989kī sālamen huā na, phir 1993kī sālamẽn. chār sāl bāda.

mumukṣhuḥ- mātājī! ek hī vichār..

samādhānaḥ- vichār nahīn āte hain, vah vichārase thoḍe hī hotā hai. vichārase nahīn hotā. andar ātmāmen-svarūpakī līnatā karate-karate sahaj ātā hai, vah koī vichārase nahīn ātā. ātmākī ekāgratā ātmāmen karate-karate vah bīchamen ātā hai. vichārase nahī̃n. sahaj ā jātā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- ..

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samādhānaḥ- vah sab bāten karane kahān̐ baiṭhī hū̃n. sab sahaj hai. andar āye to bāhar.. gurudevakā aur sabakā āye.

mumukṣhuḥ- gurudevane hī kahā hai,..

samādhānaḥ- gurudevane to bahut kahā hai, parantu merī jabānase nahīn kahanā hotā.

mumukṣhuḥ- hame to kabhī..

samādhānaḥ- lekin vah to āp sabako mālūm hī hai, nayā kyā kahanā hai?

mumukṣhuḥ- abhī to bahut bākī hai, bahan! abhī to ek rūpayamen chār ānā bhī bāhar nahīn āyā hai.

samādhānaḥ- gurudevane kahā hai ki gurudev bhagavān-tīrthaṅkar honevāle haĩn. vah sab to bāhar āyā hī hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- bahinashrī! abhī to yahān̐ aisī bhī bāt chalatī thī ki gurudev sākṣhāt padhārate haĩn.

samādhānaḥ- sab aisā hī bolate haĩn. sab bāten haĩn.

mumukṣhuḥ- gurudev tīn lokako āhvān karate hain, aise svapna..

samādhānaḥ- gurudevako svapna ātā thā. gurudevako svapna āte the ki main tīrthaṅkar hū̃n. main tīrthaṅkar honevālā hū̃n. aise sab svapna (āte the). gurudevako om dhvani svayaṅko ātī thī. vah unako ātā thā. mujhe to mālūm bhī nahīn thā ki gurudevako aise svapna āte haĩn. mujhe mālūm nahīn thā. gurudevako to āte the, mujhe to bādamen āyā. gurudevako tīrthaṅkar honeke svapna āte the. pahalī bār om vahān̐ āyā, dūsarī bār umarālā aur tīsarī bār viñchhīyāmẽn. viñchhīyāmen thoḍā jyādā āyā. pahalī shurūāt vāṅkāner, phir umārālā, phir viñchhīyā.

mumukṣhuḥ- bahinashrī! kundakundasvāmī to ekadam pratyakṣha dikhāī dete hoṅge na.

samādhānaḥ- jo smaraṇamen āye vah to aise hī āye na.

mumukṣhuḥ- munikā svarūp nagna hī hotā hai, usake liye to koī.. vah to ekadam vishvāsapūrvak..

samādhānaḥ- usakā to koī prashna hī nahīn hai. vah to videhakṣhetramen dhokh mārga chal rahā hai. munioṅke jhuṇḍ jahān̐ vicharate haĩn.

mumukṣhuḥ- sīmandhar bhagavān kaise virājate haĩn.

samādhānaḥ- sākṣhāt sīmandhar bhagavān virājate hain, bhagavānakī divyadhvani chhūṭ rahī hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- bahinashrī! itanī pratiṣhṭhāen̐ huyī, usamen..

samādhānaḥ- pratimā vaisī laganī to mushkil hai. sākṣhāt bhagavānakī to kyā bāt

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karanī!

mumukṣhuḥ- phir bhī koī ākr̥uti vaisī ā gayī ho ki itane pratimājīmen yah ek pratimājī aise lagate hain ki māno sīmandhar bhagavān ho.

samādhānaḥ- pān̐chasau dhanuṣhakā deh aur vah ākr̥uti, sākṣhāt bhagavān jīvant mūrti, vah sab ākr̥uti ānī mushkil hai. nāsāgra dr̥uṣhṭi, dhyān mudrā, divya mudrā, yahān̐ sonagaḍhamen hī vaisī hai. to bhī sākṣhāt to sākṣhāt hī hotī hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- phir bhī vāṅkāneramen pratimājī hain..

samādhānaḥ- videhakṣhetramen virājate bhagavān yahān̐ thoḍe hī ā jāte haĩn. samavasaraṇamen virājamān, sākṣhāt divyadhvani.. lekin vah to jinapratimā jin sarikhā, kahate hain na? jinapratimā bhī jin sarikhā kahalātī hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- gurudev kahate the na, bahan to yahān̐ baiṭhakar videhake bhagavānake darshan karatī hai. bharatamen hai ki videhamen hai, bhūl jātī hai.

samādhānaḥ- bhagavānane hī kahā hai ki yah rājakumār tīrthaṅkar honevāle haĩn. bhagavānakī vāṇīmen āyā hai. tīrthaṅkar jagatamen sarvotkr̥uṣhṭa hote haĩn. bhagavānakī ratnamay pratimāen̐, aisā jagatamen kudaratī tīrthaṅkarakī pratimāen̐ ratnarūp ho jātī haĩn. jagatamen sarvotkr̥uṣhṭa hon to tīrthaṅkar bhagavān hī hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- maṅgalan bhagavān vīro, maṅgalan gautamo gaṇī, maṅgalan kundakundāryo..

samādhānaḥ- gurudevakā svapna thā, tīn lokako āhvān karate haĩn. tīn lokako. tīn lokako kaun āhvān kare? jo tīnalokase ūn̐chā ho vaha. ao re.. āo! hitake liye āo! tīn lokako kaun āhvān kare? gurudevake svapna bhī aise.

mumukṣhuḥ- jo tīrthaṅkar ho vahī kare na.

samādhānaḥ- tīn lokako āhvān kaun kare? .. mārga chalatā hai, vah digambar mārga (chalatā hai). munioṅke jhuṇḍake jhuṇḍ videhakṣhetramen haĩn. mujhe mālūm nahīn thā ki gurudev mānate haĩn. unako kahanese kyā lābh? apane to aisā vichār āye. gurudev aise hī thoḍā mān le. gurudevako svayaṅko hī andar thā ki main tīrthaṅkar honevālā hū̃n. bhagavānakī bāt sunakar utsāh to āye na. trilokīnāthane ṭīkā lagāyā, ab kyā chāhiye? utanā utsāh thā.

mumukṣhuḥ- ..

samādhānaḥ- trilokīnāthane ṭīkā lagāyā, ab kyā chāhiye? bhagavānane kahā tīrthaṅkar honevāle haĩn. arthāt trilokīnāthane ṭīkā lagāyā, ab kyā chāhiye?

mumukṣhuḥ- tīrthaṅkar honevāle hain, aisā mātājīne kahā to gurudevako aisā ho gayā..

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samādhānaḥ- bāhar kisīko nahīn kahate the.

mumukṣhuḥ- sukh chāhiye, to chaitanyakī mūl r̥uddhi sukh hai yā gnān hai? pūrṇa gnān binā pūrṇa sukh hotā nahī̃n. to sukhake liye gnānakā ādhār hai?

samādhānaḥ- jīv sukhako chāhatā hai. parantu sukhake liye prayojanabhūt gnānakī āvashyakatā hai. gnānakī r̥uddhi, gnānaguṇ mukhya ātmākā hai. parantu r̥uddhike liye prayatna nahīn karanā hai. jīv sukhako chāhatā hai. adhik jānanā, lokālok pratyakṣha jānanemen āye, aisī r̥uddhike liye prayatna nahīn karanā hai. gnānaguṇ mukhya hai aur jīvakā sukhaguṇ bhī visheṣh guṇ hai. to bhī gnān mukhya hone par bhī r̥uddhike liye prayatna karanekā mokṣhamārgamen nahīn hotā.

ātmāko andar chain nahīn paḍatī, use duḥkh hotā hai, isaliye sukhake liye prayatna chalatā hai. gnānake liye prayatna nahīn hotā, parantu mukhya prayojanabhūt jo tattva hai use jāne. main kaun hūn̐? yah vibhāv kyā hai? prayojanabhūt jāne to phir usamen jyādā jānanekī āvashyakatā nahīn hai. jānanekī āvashyakatā nahīn hai, parantu shāstramen ātā hai, pahale vītarāgatā hotī hai, phir sarvagnatā hotī hai. pūrṇa gnān honeke bād pūrṇa sukh hotā hai, aisā nahīn hai. pahale vītarāgatā ho, phir gnān hotā hai. mukhya puruṣhārtha karanā hai, vah gnāyakako pahachānakar vītarāgatā pragaṭ karanekā hai. shraddhāke sāth vītarāgatā pragaṭ karanī hai. gnānake liye prayatna nahīn karanā hai. jyādā jānaneke liye, r̥uddhike liye prayatna nahīn karanā hotā hai.

shāstramen ātā hai, shrīmad kahate hain, jise jainakā kevalagnān bhī nahīn chāhiye, use prabhu kaunasā pad deṅge? isaliye kevalagnānake liye prayatna nahīn karanā hotā hai. ek gnāyakako pahachānakar dr̥uṣhṭi ek ātmā par rakhakar, mati-shrut, avadhi, manaḥparyay aur keval, use vr̥uddhigat karanekī āvashyakatā nahīn hai. vah to bīchamen līnatā nahīn ho tabatak sādhakadashā hotī hai, tabatak mati-shrut bīchamen ātā hai. kevalagnān pragaṭ karun̐, avadhignān pragaṭ karun̐, manaḥparyayagnān, mati-shrut aur kevalagnān pragaṭ karun̐, kevalagnān pragaṭ karanekā koī prayatna nahīn hotā hai. us par-kevalagnān par dr̥uṣhṭi nahīn hotī.

andar svarūpamen shraddhāke sāth līnatā ho, vītarāgatā ho to sahaj gnān pragaṭ hotā hai. r̥uddhi par dr̥uṣhṭi hotī hī nahī̃n. bāhyakī sab r̥uddhi to, "rajakaṇ ke r̥uddhi vaimānik devanī, sarve mānyā pudagal ek svabhāv jo.' aur andarakī chaitanya r̥uddhi gnānamen jāne ki ātmāmen koī alaukik gnān r̥uddhi hai, anupam ānanda hai, ananta shaktiyān̐ hai. parantu sādhanāmen aise rāgake vikalpa yā aisī lālasāke vikalpa nahīn hote. use antaramense ek shānti chāhiye. shānti kaise pragaṭ ho? basa. mujhe ātmāmense-svabhāvamense, merā svabhāv kyā hai, aise tattvako pahachānakar mujhe svabhāvamense shānti, vītarāgatā, merā gnān, merā

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gnāyakadev mujhe kaise pragaṭ ho? aisī usakī bhāvanā hotī hai. use anant shaktiyoṅke vikalpa aur kaise jyādā jānūn̐, us prakārakā prayatna sādhakadashāmen nahīn hotā hai. ek ātmāko jāne isaliye sab ā jātā hai. usamen use bāhar jyādā jānanekī jarūrat nahīn paḍatī.

mumukṣhuḥ- sukhake liye vītarāgatā..?

samādhānaḥ- hān̐, sukhake liye vītarāgatā. prayojanabhūt gnān pahale hotā hai. pahale ātmāko jāne. prayojanabhūt gnān hotā hai. phir usamen sukhake liye vītarāgatākī jarūrat hai, gnānakī jarūrat nahīn hai. jo vītarāg ho, usamen sampūrṇa shānti, ānanda, sukh sab usīmen-vītarāgatāmen hī hai. prayojanabhūt gnān hotā hai. gnānaguṇ ātmākā hai, vah to sahaj pragaṭ ho jātā hai. vītarāgatā ho isaliye gnān sahaj pragaṭ hotā hai. gnān svako jāne aur (parako bhī jāne). svaparaprakāshak gnān sahaj pragaṭ hotā hai. use pragaṭ karane nahīn jānā paḍatā.

dr̥uṣhṭiko avalmaban ek gnāyakakā hotā hai. usakī dr̥uṣhṭi mati, shrut, avadhi, manaḥparyay, kevalagnānake bhedamen nahīn rukatī. gnānamen jāne ki, yah mati, shrut, avadhi kṣhayopashamagnānake bhed, kṣhāyikake bhed (jāne), lekin usamen vah rukatā nahī̃n. dr̥uṣhṭimen kisī bhī prakārakā bhed nahīn hotā. sampūrṇa vītarāg hotā hai, vah sampūrṇa sarvagna hotā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- he bhagavatī mātājī! samyakagnānīko nirantar gnānadhārā hotī hai. upayog bāharamen ho tab bhī bhedagnānakī dhārā chālū hai, vah kaise sambhavit hai? yah kr̥upā karake hamen samajhāiye.

samādhānaḥ- upayog bāhar ho to bhī gnānakī dhārā-gnānakī pariṇati rahatī hai. upayog bāhar ho aur pariṇati gnāyakakī ho, usamen koī virodh nahīn hai. gnāyakakī dhārā andar chalatī ho. ekatvabuddhi ṭūṭ gayī hai aur bhedagnānakī dhārā vartatī hai. gnāyakakī gnāyakarūp dhārā pratikṣhaṇ jo-jo vikalpa āye, vibhāvakī paryāy ho, to usamen use bhedagnānakī dhārā (chalatī hī rahatī hai). svayam bhinna hī bhinna, nyārā hī nyārā rahatā hai. dr̥uṣhṭi ek gnāyak par hai, pariṇati gnāyakakī hai. pratikṣhaṇ vah bhinna hī bhinna, pratyek kāryamen vah nyārā hī nyārā rahatā hai.

khāte-pīte, sote, svapnamen sabamen vah nyārā hī nyārā rahatā hai. aisī gnāyakakī pariṇati rahatī hai. upayog bhale bāhar ho, bāharake kāyāmen ho. bāhar gayā aur bāharakā jāne to andar khaṇḍa-khaṇḍa ho jātā hai, aisā nahīn hai. vah to akhaṇḍa gnāyak hai. kṣhayopashamagnānake kāraṇ usakā jo mūl svabhāv gnāyak pariṇati hai, usamen koī khaṇḍa nahīn hotā. gnāyakakī pariṇati har vakta maujūd hotī hai.

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chāhe jaisā rājā ho, chakravartī ho, laukik kāyāmen ho, rājake kāyāmen ho, to bhī pariṇati to bhinna nyārī kī nyārī rahatī hai. prashasta bhāvommen ho. chakravartīko baḍī pūjā ādike prakār ho, dev-guru-shāstrakī prabhāvanākā prasaṅg ho, to bhī usakī pariṇati nyārīkī nyārī hotī hai. ekatvabuddhi nahīn hotī. ashubhabhāvase bachaneko shubhabhāvamen juḍe to bhī gnāyakakī pariṇati to use bhinna hī bhinna hotī hai. gnāyakakī pariṇatiko aur upayogako koī virodh nahīn hai. gnāyakakī pariṇati chālū hī hotī hai aur upayog bāhar hotā hai. koī bār upayog palaṭakar svānubhūtimen jātā hai aur bāhar āye, to bhī gnāyakakī pariṇati use har samay chālū hai. usamen use virodh nahīn hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- bahinashrī! pariṇati trayātmak hai yā gnānātmak hai?

samādhānaḥ- prayātmak?

mumukṣhuḥ- trayātmak-tīnõn. gnān, darshan, chāritra tīnon pariṇatimen hai?

samādhānaḥ- gnāyakakī pariṇati shraddhā, gnān aur gr̥uhasthāshramamen ānshik svarūp ramaṇatā hai. anantānubandhīkā jo kaṣhāy ṭūṭ gayā hai, isaliye ānshik svarūpācharaṇachāritra hai. isaliye darshan, gnān, chāritra (tīnon hain). paddhatike hisābase chāritra nahīn kah sakate, parantu svarūpācharaṇachāritra amuk anshamen līnatā apanemen hai. ekatvabuddhikī līnatā ṭūṭ gayī isaliye antaramen gnāyak pariṇatikī līnatā ānshik hai. parantu use paddhatike hisābase chāritrakī līnatā to pān̐chavā guṇasthān aur chhaṭṭhā-sātavān̐ guṇasthān āye, tab paddhati-shāstra paddhati anusār tab chāritra kahalātā hai. bākī use līnatā hai, andar gnāyak pariṇatimen tīnon haĩn. gnāyakamen shraddhā, gnāyakakā āshray shraddhāmen, gnānakā āshray, gnān bhī usamen aur līnatā bhī usamen hai.

prashamamūrti bhagavatī mātano jay ho!

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