Benshreeni Amrut Vani Part 2 Transcripts-Hindi (simplified iso15919 transliteration). Track: 64.

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આપનો અને પૂજ્ય ગુરુદેવશ્રીનો આશય એક જ હોય છે--- દેવ-ગુરુ-શાસ્ત્રનો રાગ ઝેર છે–તથા તે મુકિત પામવામાં નિમિત્ત છે?    0   Play
āpano ane pūjya gurudevashrīno āshay ek ja hoy chhe--- dev-guru-shāstrano rāg jher chhe–tathā te mukit pāmavāmān nimitta chhe?    0   Play

.... વાંચનમાં કઈ રીતે ઘ્યાન રાખવું કે આત્માનો નિશ્ચય થાય?    3:30   Play
.... vāñchanamān kaī rīte ghyān rākhavun ke ātmāno nishchay thāy?    3:30   Play

અનુમાનજ્ઞાનથી આત્મા જણાય તેમ નથી તેમ આવે છે પણ સમયસારમાં તો લક્ષ-લક્ષણના ભેદ બતાવી લક્ષણની પ્રસિદ્ધિ તેના દ્વારા અનુમાનથી લક્ષ તરફ દોરી જવા માંગે છે?    5:15   Play
anumānagnānathī ātmā jaṇāy tem nathī tem āve chhe paṇ samayasāramān to lakṣha-lakṣhaṇanā bhed batāvī lakṣhaṇanī prasiddhi tenā dvārā anumānathī lakṣha taraph dorī javā māṅge chhe?    5:15   Play

જ્ઞાની ઉપડયો છે તો એકલા જ્ઞાયકનું અવલંબન લેવા. હવે જ્યારે અવલંબન લીધું ત્યારે અવલંબન તો જ્ઞાયકનું અને જ્ઞાનમાં તો જ્ઞાયક અને પરિણમન બંને આવ્યા ને?    15:30   Play
gnānī upaḍayo chhe to ekalā gnāyakanun avalamban levā. have jyāre avalamban līdhun tyāre avalamban to gnāyakanun ane gnānamān to gnāyak ane pariṇaman banne āvyā ne?    15:30   Play

mumukṣhuḥ- is samayakī tattva charchāmen, mātājī! ... āpakā aur gurudevakā āshay to ek hī hotā hai. yah shabda āpake shrīmukhase sune nahīn hai. is vakta bhāīne khās rakhā ki dev-guuru-shāstra bhī jaḍ hai. tab āpane samayasārajīkā ādhār dekar kahā, tīsarī bhūmikāmen jāneke lie use apekṣhāse kah sakate haĩn.

samādhānaḥ- apane shubhāshubh bhāv vibhāv hai, parantu nimittako jhaharakā ārop kaise kiyā jāy?

mumukṣhuḥ- vah to apanī mahimā karānevālā hai, apanā ādarsha hai, muktike mārgako prāpta kiyā, dev to mokṣhako prāpta hue hain, unake prati aisā bhāv āye binā nahīn rahatā.

samādhānaḥ- shubhāshubh bhāv ākulatārūp hai, apanā svabhāv nahīn hai. vah bhāva. parantu jo nimitta hai, jisane svabhāv pragaṭ karake svānubhūti pragaṭ kī aur svarūpamen ramate hain, un par ātmārthīko jhaharakā ārop karanekā prayojan kyā hai? ga

gurudev to mārga prakāshak the. sampradāyamen sab kriyāmen paḍe the aur sabakī dr̥uṣhṭi hī viparīt thī. mujhe koī par kar detā hai aur kartābuddhi.. koī bhagavān kar detā hai. yathārtha tattva aur nishchayamen vastu kyā hai, use batānevāle gurudevane pūrā parivartan (kar diyā). jorase na kahe to logoṅkī dr̥uṣhṭi palaṭe nahī̃n. sabako aisā hī ho gayā thā ki sabakuchh māno bhagavān kar detā hai, paradravya kar detā hai, aisī sab buddhi ṭūṭe nahīn, yadi gurudev jorase dravyadr̥uṣhṭikī bāt na kare to. ve to mārga prakāshak the aur sādhakadashāmen sab aise shabdaprayog kare vah yogya nahīn hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- mārga prakāshakakī shailī..

samādhānaḥ- vah alag hotī hai. nahīn to kartābuddhimen paradravya kar detā hai, vah bhāv ṭūṭe nahī̃n. sab kriyākāṇḍamen aise līn ho gaye the.

mumukṣhuḥ- mūl digambar hamako is bātakā patā nahīn thā.

samādhānaḥ- hān̐, vah sab aisā mānanevāle the. kriyākāṇḍa.

mumukṣhuḥ- sab kriyākāṇḍ thā.

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samādhānaḥ- hān̐, mūl digambar kriyākāṇḍamen the.

mumukṣhuḥ- aisā prahār kiye binā chhūṭakārā nahīn thā.

samādhānaḥ- mārga prakāshak to aisā hī kahe. aise hī hotā hai. shāstrommen sab ātā hai, apekṣhāse sab ātā hai. ek bāt svayam svatantra dravya hai, vah bāt alag hai. upādānakī dr̥uṣhṭikī bāt alag hai aur yah bāt alag hai. us bāt par vajan denekā koī prayojan nahīn hai. dravya par dr̥uṣhṭi karanekā prayojan hai. shubhāshubh bhāv merā svarūp nahīn hai. main usase bhinna hū̃n. aise bhāvanā karake phir bāharamen aise shabda prayog karanekī (jarūrat nahīn hai). jo mārga prakāshak na ho use aisā bolanekī koī jarūrat nahīn hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- paḍhanā, sunanā (hotā hai), parantu nishchay nahīn huā hai. vāñchanamen kis prakārakā dhyān rakhanā ki jisase nishchay ho?

samādhānaḥ- gnāyakakā lakṣhya kaise ho? aisī ruchi rakhanī. vah ātmāke liye hai na. ek ātmārthakā prayojan hai. ātmākā svarūp kaise samajhamen āye? ātmākā nishchay kaise ho? satya vastu kaise samajhamen āye? is hetuse shāstramense svādhyāy kare. satya vastu kaise grahaṇ ho, is hetuse. ātmā kaise samajhamen āye? gnāyak kaise samajhamen āye? gnāyak kise kahate hain? gnāyakakā lakṣhaṇ kyā? jānanā. vah jānapanā kaise pahachānamen āye? gnāyak kaise pahachānamen āye? yah vibhāv kyā? svabhāv kyā? kaise pahachānamen āye? dravya-guṇ-paryāyakā svarūp kyā? vah samajhaneke liye, ātmāke prayojanake liye samajhanā. gnāyakakā lakṣhya nahīn huā hai (to) usakā lakṣhya kaise ho? usakī ruchi rakhanā, vah hetu rakhanā. shāstra mātra jānaneke liye nahīn, parantu ātmākā svarūp kaise samajhamen āye, is hetuse-sva hetuse vichār karanā, paḍhanā.

mumukṣhuḥ- prayojan ātmākā honā chāhiye.

samādhānaḥ- prayojan ātmākā honā chāhiye. bhavakā abhāv kaise ho? bāharakā ananta kāl sab kiyā, shubhabhāv kiye, puṇyabandha huā, sab hotā hai, parantu ātmākā svarūp kaise samajhamen āye? bhavakā abhāv kaise ho? svabhāvakā sukh kaise prāpta ho? aisā hetu honā chāhiye.

mumukṣhuḥ- anumānase-anumān gnānase ātmā prāpta nahīn ho sakatā. samayasāramen to lakṣhya-lakṣhaṇakā bhed batākar jo gnānakā lakṣhaṇ prasiddha hai, usase anumānase hī lakṣhya karavānā chāhate hai?

samādhānaḥ- vah anumānamen aisā kahanā hai ki mātra ūpar-ūparase anumān kiyā aise nahī̃n. parantu andar yathārtha anumān, svabhāvako pahachānakar anumāna. lakṣhaṇase lakṣhya

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pahachānamen vah apekṣhā alag hai aur anumānase pahachānā nahīn jātā, vah apekṣhā alag hai. donon apekṣhā alag hai. anumānase pahachānamen āye, yathārtha anumān, yathārtha lakṣhaṇako pahachāne to lakṣhya pahachānamen ātā hai. yathārtha anumānase. parantu jo anumānase nahīn pahachājā jātā arthāt gnāyak dravya bāharase anumānamātrase pahachānā nahīn jātā, gnāyak gnāyak dvārā pahachānā jātā hai. donon apekṣhāen̐ alag haĩn.

mumukṣhuḥ- vah yathārtha lakṣhaṇ hai.

samādhānaḥ- vah yathārtha lakṣhaṇ hai. andar svarūp lakṣhyamen, dravyake lakṣhyase dravyako pahachāne usamen sab bāhya ho jātā hai. anumānase pahachānā vah sab vyavahār ho jātā hai. svayam svayaṅke dvārā antaramen pahachānā jātā hai, svayam hī hai. vah apekṣhā alag hai, yah apekṣhā alag hai. parantu vyavahār athavā anumān kuchh ho hī nahīn to āge (kaise baḍhe)? anumānakā vyavahār to bīchamen āye binā rahatā hī nahī̃n. gnānase gnānakā vyavahār bīchamen āye binā nahīn rahatā. shraddhā prāpta ho, gnānakā vyavahār to bīchamen ātā hī hai. yathārtha gnān ho to yathārtha shraddhā hotī hai. vyavahār bīchamen āye binā nahīn rahatā. shraddhā mukhya hone par bhī bīchamen gnān āye binā nahīn rahatā.

mumukṣhuḥ- ..

samādhānaḥ- hān̐, vah anumān hai, yathārtha anumāna. bāharase anumān karanā vah nahīn, lakṣhaṇako pahachānanā vah anumāna.

mumukṣhuḥ- pahachānanekā jo svayaṅkā prayās chalatā ho, usamen vikalpa dvārā use vichār chalate ho aur sāthamen apane bhāvamen, yah gnān hai, yah jānanā hai, yah jānanekā sāmarthya hai, to pahale jo-jo vikalpa gaye vah sab vyavahār ho jātā hai aur..

samādhānaḥ- vah sab vyavahār hai. svayam svayaṅko pahachān lenā. svayaṅkī svayaṅke dvārā pahachān ho gayī, apanī antar pariṇatise antaramen pahachānā, vah sab nishchay hai. bīchamen sab vichār āte hain, vah vyavahār hai. parantu vah bīchamen āye binā rahatā hī nahī̃n. gnānalakṣhaṇ hai, anumānase. vah anumān bhī yathārtha anumān hai.

.. kab kahā jāy? lakṣhaṇase pahachānā, parantu antaramen svayam apane svabhāvamen gayā aur svabhāvamen sthir ho gayā, tab jaisā ātmā thā vaisā usane pahachānā. aisā kahā jāya. usakī pratīt, gnān, līnatā sab abhed hokar pariṇaman huā, tab use yathārtha pratīt huyī. bīchamen use lakṣhaṇase pahachānakar nakkī kiyā ki gnānasvabhāv hī ātmā hai. phir antaramen svayam us rūp ho gayā, jaisā thā vaisā. isaliye bīchamen jānanekā vyavahār ātā hai. anumānamātra nahīn hai. svayam svayaṅke dvārā pahachānā (jātā hai), vah apekṣhā alag hai.

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.. aisā bhī ātā hai ki pahale yathārtha gnān karanā, shraddhā karanī. phir svayam apane svarūpamen līn ho. phir aisā āye ki tabhī vah samyakapane dikhatā hai, tabhī samyakapane anubhavamen ātā hai. use samyak nām kab diyā jātā hai? ki jab us rūp pariṇamit ho gayā tab use kahanemen ātā hai.

usakī pratīti aur gnāyakadhārā to sahajarūpase chalatī hī hai. parantu pahale use pahachāne tab gnānalakṣhaṇase pahachāne. yah gnān jo lakṣhaṇ hai vah main gnāyak hūn̐, svayaṅko pahachān letā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- samyagdr̥uṣhṭikā pramāṇagnān ..

samādhānaḥ- samyagdr̥uṣhṭikā pramāṇagnān? bākī sab vyavahāra. pahale jo anumān ādi kahate hain vah sab (vyavahār). use yathārtha nām nahīn kah sakate.

yathārtha shraddhā ho. ātā hai na? nistuṣh yukti avalambanase. aisī yuktikā avalamban hai ki jo ṭūṭe nahīn, aisī yathārtha. svabhāvako pahachānakar svayam apaneko jānatā hai. parantu vah kise pahachānā gayā? svayam apanese. svayam apane svarūpase anumānase, koī bāhya kāraṇ jise lāgū nahīn paḍate. svayam apanese pahachānā jātā hai. vah apekṣhā pūrī alag hai.

... parantu utanā hī nahīn hai. utanā nahīn hai, parantu abhī andar dūsarā hai. svayam apane dvārā jānanemen ātā hai. mātra jān liyā aur shraddhā kī isaliye jānanemen ātā hai, aisā nahīn hai. svayam apanī pariṇatise jānanemen ātā hai. aisā kahanā hai. vyavahār nahīn hai aisā nahīn kahanā hai, utanā hī nahīn hai apitu usase kuchh adhik hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- usase āge..

samādhānaḥ- usase āge hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- andarase hotā hai.

samādhānaḥ- hān̐, andarase hotā hai. sthūl anumān nahīn, yah to andarakā anumān ho gayā. lakṣhaṇase lakṣhya pahachānā. parantu vah anumānamātra itanā hī nahīn, parantu andar svayam apanī pariṇatise pahachānā jātā hai. svayam apane svabhāvase pahachānamen ātā hai. astitvase, svayam apanī pariṇatise antarase pahachānā jātā hai. svānubhūtise, apane astitvase, apanī pariṇatise pahachānā jātā hai. mātra anumānase nahī̃n.

.. usamen pūrā nahīn ā jātā. vah lakṣhaṇ to ek guṇ āyā. ek gnānaguṇ hī āyā. parantu us lakṣhaṇase pūrā lakṣhya pahachānanekā kāraṇ banatā hai. ātmārthī aisā hai ki lakṣhaṇ dvārā pūreko grahaṇ kar letā hai. pūrā pahachānanekā hai, ek guṇ nahīn pahachānanā hai. ... pahachānatā nahī̃n. parantu apanā pūrā astitva pahachān letā hai.

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mumukṣhuḥ- abheda.

samādhānaḥ- abhedako pahachān letā hai. prakāsh nahīn, yah tej dikhāī detā hai, vah prakāsh nahīn, us prakārakā prakāsh nahī̃n. bahut kahate hain na? andar dhyān kiyā to prakāsh ho gayā. us prakārakā prakāsh nahīn hai, vah prakāsh nahīn hai. yah prakāshaguṇ prakāshatva shakti andar hai. vah prakāsh alag, chaitanyakā prakāsh lenā. arūpī prakāsh hai, yah rūpī prakāsh nahīn hai. svānubhūtimen chaitanyakī anubhūti hai, usamen prakāsh par lakṣhya nahīn hai. prakāsh yānī gnān svayam prakāshasvarūp hī hai. ek prakāshatva shakti ātmāmen hai. andar kisīko kalpanā ho jātī hai ki andarase prakāsh ho gayā. vah nahī̃n. andar gayā isaliye kuchh dikhā, kuchh prakāsh ho gayā, ujālā ho gayā, vah sab bhramaṇā hai, vah nahī̃n. yah to chaitanya svayam gnānasvarūp ātmā gnāyak hai, usamen sthir ho gayā, usakī svānubhūti (huyī). vah chaitanyajyoti chaitanya prakāshasvarūp chaitanya hī hai. bāharakā prakāsh nahīn lenā.

.. prakāsh pragaṭ hotā hai, aisā gurudev nahīn kahate the. gnānakā prakāsha. prakāsh pragaṭ hotā hai, aisā gurudev nahīn kahate the. vah to vedan, svānubhūtikā vedan hai. ānandaguṇ pragaṭ hotā hai, prakāsh pragaṭ hotā hai aisā gurudev nahīn kahate haĩn.

mumukṣhuḥ- 12vīn shakti hai na? svasamvedanamayī..

samādhānaḥ- svasamvenadamayī shakti. svasamvedan-svānubhūtike vedanamay prakāsha. svasamvedan arthāt svānubhūti, svayaṅkā vedan ho vah prakāsha. yah mātra prakāsh bolate haĩn. akelā prakāsh nahī̃n. svasamvedanarūp prakāsh vah alag prakāsh hai. svayam svayaṅko prakāshatā hai. samvedanarūp prakāsha. apanī svānubhūti hotī hai, svayam chaitanya hai aise hī ananta guṇ haĩn. vah sab chaitanyasvarūp hī hai. use jo svānubhūti hotī hai, vah svānubhūtikā prakāsh hai. ek prakāshaguṇ pragaṭ hotā hai, aisā nahīn hai.

svasamvedanamayī prakāsh-apane vedanakā prakāsh hai. dūsarā prakāsh nahīn, andar vedan hotā hai. andar ānandaguṇ ādi guṇ (hain). ātmā apūrva anupam hai, usakā jo vedan hotā hai, jo svasamvedan hotā hai, usakā prakāsh hai. svayam apaneko prakāshit karatā hai, svayam apanā vedan kar rahā hai. svayam apane prakāsharūp pariṇamatā hai, svayam apaneko jān rahā hai, dūsare prakārase kahen to. vah prakāsh yānī bāharakā prakāsh nahī̃n. apane vedanakā prakāsh hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- .. akele gnāyakakā avalamban leneke liye. ab jab usane avalamban liyā tab avalamban akele gnāyakakā liyā aur gnānamen to use gnāyak aur pariṇām donon āye na?

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samādhānaḥ- gnāyakakā avalamban liyā, phir? dr̥uṣhṭi aur gnān donon sāthamen hai. dr̥uṣhṭi dravya par hai aur gnān sab jānatā hai. gnān apane guṇoṅko jānatā hai, gnān paryāyako jānatā hai, gnān vastuko jānatā hai, gnān sab jānatā hai. gnān us vakta chalā nahīn jātā. gnān to svayam pariṇamatā hai. gnān svaparaprakāshak hai. svānubhūtike kālamen svayam apane guṇoṅko jānatā hai, apanī paryāyoṅko jānatā hai. svayam gnāyakako jānatā hai, gnāyakake guṇoṅko jānatā hai, gnāyakakī paryāyako jānatā hai, pariṇāmako jānatā hai, sab jānatā hai.

dr̥uṣhṭi ek dravya abhed hai (us par hai), phir bhī gnān sab jānatā hai. gnān bhed, abhed sabako jānatā hai. binā vikalpa kiye. rāgakā vikalpa jisamen nahīn hai, aisī nirvikalpa dashāmen sab jānatā hai. gnān shūnya nahīn ho gayā hai, gnān jāgr̥ut hai. svānubhūti yānī bāharakā sab chhūṭ gayā, vikalpa chhūṭ gaye isaliye shūnya ho gayā, aisā nahīn hai. gnān svayaṅko jānatā hai, apane svarūpako (jānatā hai). avalamban bhale hī dravyakā- gnāyakā hai, parantu vedan-svānubhūtimen ānandakā vedan hai. ānandako jānatā bhī hai. vedan bhī hai aur jānatā bhī hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- anubhavake pahale jo shurūāt kī thī, us vakta to akele gnāyakakā jor thā.

samādhānaḥ- mujhe ek gnāyak hī chāhiye. gnāyakakī dr̥uṣhṭi hai. gnāyak ek ātmā main jis svabhāvase hūn̐, us svabhāvako grahaṇ kar liyā. phir dr̥uṣhṭi vahān̐ nahīn hai. bhed par dr̥uṣhṭi nahīn hai. vichārase sab jān liyā ki ātmāmen ananta guṇ aur ananta paryāy hai. dravya-guṇ-paryāyase vastu bharī hai. lekin ālamban ek vastukā hī liyā hai. kahīn or dr̥uṣhṭi nahīn hai, kahīn or rāg nahīn hai, guṇabhedamen rukatā nahī̃n. main jo hūn̐ vah mujhe pragaṭ ho, bas! vah vikalpa bhī nahīn hai. kisīkā vikalpa nahīn hai. ālamban ekakā hone par bhī pragaṭ sab hotā hai. vastumen jo hai vah sab pragaṭ hotā hai. dr̥uṣhṭikī ḍor ek gnāyak par bān̐dh dī hai. phir gnāyakamen jo ho, vah sab use pragaṭ hotā hai. shraddhāke balase āge jātā hai.

gnāyakakī laganī lage, ek gnāyakakī. dr̥uṣhṭi-shraddhākā bal us par hai. shubhabhāvamen jise bhagavān par bhakti, guru par bhakti (hotī hai). dr̥uṣhṭi us par hotī hai, isaliye ek guru par aur dev par jo dr̥uṣhṭi gayī, phir vichāramen sab ātā hai. dr̥uṣhṭikī ḍor shubhabhāvamen bhagavān, guru aur shāstra par gayī, phir bhī vichār to sab āte haĩn. yah to ek dr̥uṣhṭānt hai. .. phir vichār chhūṭ gaye. donon jor gnāyakakī or hai. shraddhākā bal aur gnānakā bal gnāyakakī or hai, parantu gnān sab jānatā hai. shraddhāke sāth gnān bhī balavān hai. jo shruddhā huyī, us shraddhākī gnān puṣhṭi karatā hai. gnāyak mukhya

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hai aisā gnān bhī jānatā hai. gnāyakako mukhya rakhakar gnān sab jānatā hai. gnān vastuko jaisī hai vaisī jānatā hai. abhed nishchay vastu svarūp kyā hai vah jānatā hai, usake guṇ aur usakī paryāy, sabako jānatā hai. jaise shraddhākā bal dravya par hai, vaise gnānakā bal bhī us or hai. nishchay aur vyavahār jaisā hai vaisā gnān jānatā hai. jahān̐ jisakā bal ho, us prakārase gnān sab jānatā hai. gnānakī ḍorī us or hai, shraddhā us or hai, līnatā bhī us or jātī hai. dravyamen sthir honeke liye līnatā bhī vahān̐ jātī hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- gnānamen sab gnāt honeke bāvajūd usakā viṣhay to chālū hī rahatā hai. samādhānaḥ- jaisā hai vaisā jānatā hai. donoṅko jānatā hai. bal shraddhākā hai, parantu gnānakā bal bhī sāthamen hai. sab hai. shraddhā mukhya hai. gnānamen bhī shraddhā, svayam shraddhā bhī shuddha. sab guṇ ek dravyake hī haĩn. lakṣhaṇabhedase bhinna haĩn.

prashamamūrti bhagavatī mātano jay ho! mātājīnī amr̥ut vāṇīno jay ho!

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