Benshreeni Amrut Vani Part 2 Transcripts-Hindi (simplified iso15919 transliteration). Track: 65.

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mumukṣhuḥ- dīkṣhā lenese pahale jātismaraṇ hotā hai. vairāgyakā nimitta banatā hogā yā aur kuchh?

samādhānaḥ- unhen vikalpa ātā hai. dīkṣhāke pahale jātismaraṇ hotā hī hai. aisā niyam hai. nimitta kuchh bhī bane, parantu andar hotā hai. dīkṣhā bhāv utpanna hote hain isaliye jātismaraṇ hotā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- jātismaraṇ vairāgyakī vr̥uddhikā (kāraṇ banatā hai)?

samādhānaḥ- vairāgya-vr̥uddhikā kāraṇ banatā hai. shāstramen ātā hai na? vairāgya-vr̥uddhikā kāraṇ banatā hai. pūrvake duḥkhoṅko yād karake bahut jīvoṅko vairāgya ātā hai. bhavoṅko yād karake bahut jīvoṅko vairāgya ātā hai. vairāgyakā nimitta banatā hai. jo us or muḍe use vairāgyakā kāraṇ banatā hai. ātmākī or muḍanevālā hotā hai, use vairāgyakā kāraṇ banatā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- jātismaraṇ ātmaprāptimen nimitta banatā hogā?

samādhānaḥ- jo ātmākī or muḍanevālā ho use nimitta kahanamen ātā hai. shāstramen bahut kāraṇ āte hain na? anek jātake kāraṇ āte haĩn. jātismaraṇ, amuk devakī r̥uddhi, yah-vah, aise bahut kāraṇ āte haĩn. usamen ek jātismaraṇ bhī kāraṇ ātā hai. jīv apanī or muḍe use kāraṇ banatā hai. sabako kāraṇ bane hī aisā nahīn hotā. sabako vairāgyakā kāraṇ bane, aisā bhī nahīn hotā. laukikamen bahutoṅko hotā hai, sabako hotā hai, aisā nahī̃n. jo ātmākī or muḍanevālā hotā hai, use kāraṇ banatā hai. bhavāntaroṅko yād karake jise vairāgya ānā hotā hai, use vairāgyakā kāraṇ banatā hai. is jīvane ananta janma-maraṇ kiye haĩn. yah jīv ananta paribhramaṇ karatā ā rahā hai. ātmā shāshvat hai. jo ātmārthī apanī or muḍanevālā hotā hai, use kāraṇ banatā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- tīrthaṅkar bhagavānako janmase avadhignān to hotā hai.

samādhānaḥ- hān̐, avadhignān hotā hai, phir jātismaraṇ hotā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- jātismaraṇase bhī visheṣh spaṣhṭatā avadhignānamen hotī hai?

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samādhānaḥ- avadhignān to pratyakṣha hai, phir bhī jātismaraṇ hotā hai. bhagavānako to sab gnān pragaṭ hote haĩn.

mumukṣhuḥ- mātājī! samakit jyādā sāl ṭike to gāḍh hotā jātā hai. vaisā jātismaraṇagnān jyādā sāl ṭike to usamen koī pheraphār hotā hai?

samādhānaḥ- samyagdarshan jyādā sāl ṭike to gāḍh hotā jātā hai, vah to usakī pariṇati dr̥uḍh hotī hai, vah apane kāraṇase hotī hai. vaise jātismaraṇ dr̥uḍh hotā jātā hai, vah sab apane kāraṇase hotā hai. jātismaraṇake kāraṇase vah hotā hai, aisā nahīn hai, parantu apane puruṣhārthake kāraṇase hotā hai. samyagdarshan jyādā sāl ṭikatā hai vah apane kāraṇase banatā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- jātismaraṇake ṭikanemen bhī puruṣhārtha hai?

samādhānaḥ- sabamen puruṣhārtha to hotā hī hai. prayatnase nahīn hotā, sahaj hotā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- jātismaraṇamen vr̥uddhi hotī hai? usamen vr̥uddhi kaise hotī hai?

samādhānaḥ- nirmal pariṇatike kāraṇase hotī hai. kaise hotā hai, vah to sahaj hai. matikī nirmalatāse hotī hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- ek bār yād to ā gayā hai, phir usamen vr̥uddhi ho, vah kaise?

samādhānaḥ- matikī nirmalatāse hotī hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- adhik spaṣhṭatāpūrvak yād ātā hai?

samādhānaḥ- vah sab matikī nirmalatāke (kāraṇ hotā hai). svayam ātmākī sādhanā sādhatā-sādhatā jo jīv āge baḍhatā hai, usamen koī bhī pariṇatikī nirmalatā baḍhane par hotā hai. svarūpamen līnatā karate-karate koī pariṇatikī nirmalatā ho to us nirmalatāse hotā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- jise pūrva bhavakā jātismaraṇagnān ho, use bīchamen is janmase pahaleke .. koī smaraṇ hotā hai? kyoṅki shrīmadamen aisā ātā hai, is jīvako pūrva bhavakī maraṇakī vedanā adhik ho yā garbhakī vedanā ho to us vedanākā vedan kare to usamen use pūrva bhavakā smaraṇ ho jātā hai. sab jīvoṅko ..

samādhānaḥ- .. kisīko vismaraṇ ho jātā hai. phir bhī sañgnī jīv hai, man hai to use yād āve. mr̥utyu samayake duḥkhake kāraṇ vismaraṇ ho jātā hai. vismaraṇ bhī ho jātā hai aur yād bhī āye. sañgnī jīv hai use yād āye.

mumukṣhuḥ- pūrva bhavake sāth is janmake garbhake duḥkh bhī yād āye?

samādhānaḥ- us prakārakī pariṇati ho to yād āye. yād āve hī aisā nakkī nahīn hotā. jis jātakī usakī pariṇati jahān̐ jāye vaise yād āye. usakī pariṇati

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sahaj jahān̐ jātī ho, aise yād ātā hai.

... (nakkī) nahīn hotā ki aisā hī āye yā aisā hī āye. man sahitake jo usake bhav hai, usamen use sahajarūpase yād āye.

mumukṣhuḥ- bahinashrī! gurudevashrīkā ek bol aisā ātā hai ki anubhūti honese aur jātismaraṇagnān hone par ... anek prakār unhen spaṣhṭa ho gaye.

samādhānaḥ- kahān̐ ātā hai? vah sab kahanekī bāt hai. shraddhā-gnānase ātmāko pahachāne, svarūpakī pratīti kare ki main gnāyak hū̃n. us or usakī shraddhā dr̥uḍh ho, gnāyakakī pariṇati ho, gnān us or jāy, līnatā us or ho vah sādhakadashākā mārga hai. usamen usakī līnatā baḍhatī jāya. usamen bīchamen koī nirmalatākī pariṇati baḍhane par jo prakār hone hote hain, vah hote haĩn. prayojan to ek ātmākī or jānekā hai.

gnāyakakī pariṇati dr̥uḍh ho, bhedagnānakī dhārā ugra ho, gnāyakakī pariṇatikī ugratā ho aur andar svarūpakī līnatā baḍhatī jāy, vibhāvase nyārā hotā jāy, svarūp pariṇatikī dr̥uḍhatā hotī jāya. yah ek hī mārga hai. usamen bīchamen jis prakārakī pariṇatikī nirmalatā hotī ho vah hotī hai. jisakī jis prakārakī pariṇati ho (vaise hotā hai).

mumukṣhuḥ- ājakā din aisā maṅgal hai, ..

samādhānaḥ- vah koī bār-bār kahanekī bāt hai? sahaj jab āye tab āye. vah to us din bhagavān har jagah virājamān hote the, vah prasaṅg thā, us prasaṅg par kuchh nikal gayā. sab jagah bhagavān virājamān hote the, vah prasaṅg thā isaliye...

mumukṣhuḥ- āj is prakārakā prasaṅg hai. bhāv jātismaraṇ...

samādhānaḥ- us jātakā yād āve to spaṣhṭa ho, jis jātakā yād āve vaisā. svayam jānate the ki svayam tīrthaṅkar honevāle haĩn. unakā hr̥uday hī bolatā thā. svayam tīrthaṅkar honevāle haĩn. tīrthaṅkarakā dravya svayam haĩn. aur bhagavānane kahā. unako antarase lagatā thā. unako svayaṅko tīrthaṅkaratvakī bhanak ātī thī. yah bharatakṣhetra, yahān̐ to abhī sabake abhiprāy... gurudev yahān̐ padhāre aur mārgakā prakāsh kiyā. sabako satya mārga milā. mārga kahān̐ kaun jānatā thā?

kevalagnān to abhī nahīn hai, bhāvaliṅgī muni bhī abhī to durlabh ho gaye haĩn. gurudev padhāre to yah sab jānaneko milā. yah mārga alag hai, antaramen rahā hai. sādhakadashā antaramen, sab antaramen hai. gnān, shraddhā ādi sab antaramen hai. pahale to sab samyagdarshan bāharase mānate the, sab gnān bāharase mānate the, chāritra bāharase mānate the. samyagdarshan antaramen svānubhūtikī dashāmen pragaṭ hotā hai, gnān bhī antaramen hai aur chāritra bhī antaramen

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hai. gurudevane spaṣhṭa kar-karake spaṣhṭa (kiyā hai). kahīn bhūl na rahe aise lalakār kar- karake kahā hai ki shubhabhāv karate-karate hogā, aisā nahīn hogā. antaramen to tū bhinna hī ho jā. itanā to rakhūn̐, aise bhī nahī̃n. itanā joradār kahā hai. sabake abhiprāy andarase badal gaye.

mumukṣhuḥ- mātājī! jātismaraṇagnānamen ... bhavakā jānanā ho parantu āpakā pūrva bhavakā jātismaraṇagnān hai mahāvidehakṣhetrakā, to ājake din sabako jyādā bhāvanā ho ki āpake shrīmukhase bhagavānakā varṇan, samavasaraṇakā varṇan athavā dūsarā kuchh ham sunen to ham sabako ānanda ho.

samādhānaḥ- vah jab ātā hai tab thoḍā ā jātā hai. vah sab koī kahanekī bāt thoḍe hī hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- ājake din sab apekṣhā to rakhe nā.

samādhānaḥ- apekṣhā rakhe, lekin jitanā kahanemen āye utanā hī kahanemen ātā hai, dūsarā kuchh kahanekā nahīn hai. logoṅko ek prakārakā āshcharya hotā hai. andar ātmākā karanā vah mukhya hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- prayojan to sukhakā hai, parantu r̥uddhi bīchamen sahaj pragaṭ ho jātī hai, to us r̥uddhikā bahut bār gnānī sādhakako bhī aisā rāg ātā hai, to ham sabako to aisī ichchhā ho na ki mātājī kuchh kahe.

samādhānaḥ- r̥uddhiko jānanekā rāg nahīn, parantu bhagavānakī bhakti hai. r̥uddhi jānanekā rāg nahīn hai. bhagavānakā kyā varṇan, us samavasaraṇakā kyā varṇan (karanā)? vah sab shāstrommen ātā hai. bākī bhagavān to bhagavānakā kyā varṇan (karanā)? jagatase bhinna- nyāre bhagavān (hain). jo vītarāgī hai, jinakā chalanā alag, jinakā bolanā alag, jinakā baiṭhanā alag, jinakī vāṇī alag, jagatase sab alag hī hai. antaramen to bhinna ho gayā, parantu bāhar bhī alag ho gayā.

mumukṣhuḥ- shāstramense sune aur ek pratyakṣha puruṣhake pās sune to usamen pharka to paḍatā hai na? āp thoḍe khulle hr̥udayase bāt karen to hamen..

samādhānaḥ- khullā kuchh nahīn kahanā hai. jitanā kahanā hotā hai, utanā kahate haĩn.

mumukṣhuḥ- bhagavānakā itanā baḍā deh hogā, samavasaraṇamen kaise virājamān hoṅge?

samādhānaḥ- .. yahān̐ kalpanāmen ātā hai? yahān̐ to ratna dikhāī bhī nahīn dete haĩn. vah ratnakā samavasaraṇ kahān̐ kalpanāmen ā sake aisā hai? jo devon dvārā rachita. dev bhī yahān̐ dikhāī nahīn detā. devoṅkā āvāgaman aur munioṅkā samūh, kalpanāmen

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ānā mushkil paḍe aisā hai. munikā dikhanā mushkil paḍatā hai. munioṅkā, sādhakoṅkā samūh yahān̐ kahān̐ dikhāī de aisā hai? ratnakā samavasaraṇ, vah ratna yahān̐ kahān̐ dikhāī dete hain? pān̐chasau dhanuṣhakā deh, usake vr̥ukṣha, usake gaḍh kahān̐ kalpanāmen ā sake aisā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- mātājī! kabhī thoḍā jyādā sunanekī ichchhā hotī hai na.

samādhānaḥ- yahān̐ kuchh kalpanāmen ā sake aisā nahīn hai. jahān̐ dūsare koī mat nahīn hai, jahān̐ dūsarā sampradāy, vāḍā nahīn hai, jahān̐ bhagavān kahe vahī bāt phail rahī hai. vāṇī sunate vakta kitane hī antarmuhūrtamen samyagdarshan, kitane hī kevalagnān, kitane hī muni (dashā) prāpta kar rahe hain, vah kāl pūrā alag hai. yahān̐ ek samyagdarshanakī durlabhatā hai. vahān̐ munidashā kṣhaṇ-kṣhaṇamen (ātī hai). sab tyāgakar chhoḍakar chal dete haĩn. bhagavānakī vāṇī sunate haĩn. vah dharma kāl... yahān̐ gurudevake pratāpase itanā ho rahā hai.

... gurudevane tattva bahut samajhāyā. ek gnāyak ātmāko samajho. ek ātmā bhagavān hai. vibhāv bhī apanā svabhāv nahīn hai. gnāyak ātmāko pahachāno, yah sab gurudevane batāyā. shubhabhāvamen dev-guru-shāstra aur bhītaramen shuddhātmā gnāyak, jo nirvikalpa tattva hai use pahachāno. gurudevane isakā bahut vistār kar-karake sūkṣhma-sūkṣhma nyāyādise batāyā hai. unakī vāṇī apūrva thī, ātmā apūrva, unakā gnān apūrva, sab apūrva hī thā. aisā kahanevāle koī dikhanemen nahīn āte haĩn. tīrthaṅkarakā dravya thā jo bharatakṣhetramen padhāre, sabake kalyāṇake liye padhāre.

mumukṣhuḥ- is bātako kahanevālā koī nahīn thā. svapnamen bhī nahī̃n.

samādhānaḥ- alaukika. utanī vāṇī itanī joradār va apūrva thī, sunanese ātmākā āshcharya lage, ātmākī mahimā āye, aisī unakī apūrva vāṇī thī. dravya-guṇ-paryāyakā svarūp, kartā-karmakā svarūp, nimitta-upādānakā svarūp, sab gurudevane spaṣhṭa karake batāyā. pahale to sab kriyāse dharma hotā hai, shubhabhāvase dharma hotā hai, aisā sab mānate the. gurudevane aisā parivartan antar dr̥uṣhṭi karake sabako (jāgr̥ut kiyā). bhītaramen ātmāmen sab hai, svabhāvase sab pragaṭ hotā hai. svabhāvamense svabhāvakī paryāy bhītaramense ātī hai. gurudevane sab spaṣhṭa karake batāyā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- ātma dharma yahān̐se prakāshit karake āpane mahān upakār kiyā hai.

samādhānaḥ- gurudevane kahā, us mārga par chalanā vahīn karanā hai, ātmākā kalyāṇ (karanā hai). ātmākā svarūp samajhakar, bhedagnān karake, ātmadravya par dr̥uṣhṭi karanī vahī karanā hai. gurudevane jo mārga batāyā, usī mārga par chalanā hai. andar svānubhūti, bhavakā abhāv sab gnāyakako pahachānanese hotā hai. puruṣhārtha to svayaṅko karanā hai, puruṣhārtha to karanese hotā hai. ātmā gnāyak jānanevālā, shubhāshubh bhāv bhī apanā svabhāv nahīn

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hai. usase bhedagnān karake gnāyakake svabhāvako pahachānakar, usakī pratīt-shraddhā, usamen līnatā karanā vahī muktikā mārga hai, vahī pragaṭ karanā hai, jīvanamen vahī karanekā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- bharatajīne kailās parvat par sthāpanā kī, āpane bhī sākṣhāt sthāpanā kī. ... yah sunakar jisako kaṇṭālā ātā hai.. yah to jo .. sākṣhāt karake dikhāyā. yah kām koī būrā nahīn kiyā, sabase baḍhiyā kārya kiyā. yah hamāre manake .. huā.

samādhānaḥ- sabakī bhāvanā huyī, sab mumukṣhuoṅko. kyā kare? kisīko achchhā lagā, kisīko nahīn bhī lagā. sabakī bhāvanā huyī to aisā (ho gayā).

prashamamūrti bhagavatī mātano jay ho! mātājīnī amr̥ut vāṇīno jay ho!

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