Benshreeni Amrut Vani Part 2 Transcripts-Hindi (simplified iso15919 transliteration). Track: 93.

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પોતે પુરુષાર્થ કરે તો વિભાવ ટળી જાય તે વિષે....    0   Play
pote puruṣhārtha kare to vibhāv ṭaḷī jāy te viṣhe....    0   Play

સ્વાનુભૂતિમાં નિર્વિકલ્પ ઉપયોગ હોય ત્યારે તે પ્રમાણાત્મક હોય છે તેમાં પ્રમાણાત્મક એટલે શું?    1:06   Play
svānubhūtimān nirvikalpa upayog hoy tyāre te pramāṇātmak hoy chhe temān pramāṇātmak eṭale shun?    1:06   Play

પર્યાય દ્રવ્યકે આશ્રયસે હોતી હૈ ઉસ બારેમેં    8:00   Play
paryāy dravyake āshrayase hotī hai us bāremen    8:00   Play

જો અરિહન્તકો જાનતા હૈ વહ આત્માકો જાનતા હૈ હમ અરિહંત ભગવાનકો મન-વચન-કાયસે જાનતે હૈ તો કહાઁ કમી રહ જાતી હૈ?    10:20   Play
jo arihantako jānatā hai vah ātmāko jānatā hai ham arihant bhagavānako man-vachan-kāyase jānate hai to kahān̐ kamī rah jātī hai?    10:20   Play

માતાજી! છદ્મસ્થ જ્ઞાનીકો સુખકા વેદન સર્વાંગસે હોતા હૈ? યા નિયત પ્રદેશસે હોતા હૈ?    13:20   Play
mātājī! chhadmastha gnānīko sukhakā vedan sarvāṅgase hotā hai? yā niyat pradeshase hotā hai?    13:20   Play

જ્ઞાન એકદમ ઝડપથી કઈ રીતે પ્રાપ્ત કરી શકાય?    14:15   Play
gnān ekadam jhaḍapathī kaī rīte prāpta karī shakāy?    14:15   Play

ભેદજ્ઞાન પ્રાપ્ત કરવા માટે જ્ઞાનીનું સાનિઘ્ય કાંઈ ન કરી શકે?    16:35   Play
bhedagnān prāpta karavā māṭe gnānīnun sānighya kāī na karī shake?    16:35   Play

samādhānaḥ- ... svabhāvase shuddha hai, paryāy palaṭ jātī hai, ashuddhatā ṭal jātī hai. ashuddhatā apanā svabhāv nahīn hai. bāhya nimittake kāraṇ, apane puruṣhārthakī mandatāse ashuddhatā hotī hai. us ashuddhatākā vyay hotā hai aur shuddhatā pragaṭ hotī hai.

sphaṭik svabhāvase nirmal hai. lāl-pīle phūlake kāraṇ jo pratibimb utpanna hote hain vah pariṇaman svayaṅkā hai, lekin vah sphaṭik saphedarūp pariṇame nahīn, nimittakā (sanyog hai). yah to dr̥uṣhṭānta hai.

svayam puruṣhārtha kare to svayam nirmalatārūp pariṇame to vah chhūṭ jātā hai. vah apanā svabhāv nahīn hai, ashuddhatā hai vah ṭal jātī hai. ashuddhatā ṭal jāy aur karma chhūṭ jāy, donon sāthamen hotā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- svānubhūtimen jab nirvikalpa hotā hai, vah upayog pramāṇātmak hai, usakā artha kyā hai? pramāṇātmak yānī?

samādhānaḥ- pramāṇ-dravya aur paryāy donon sāthamen haĩn. gnān jānatā hai. gnān svayaṅko jānatā hai, gnān paryāyako jānatā hai isaliye pramāṇ hai. dr̥uṣhṭi to dravya par hī hai. vikalparūp dr̥uṣhṭi nahīn hai, apitu nirvikalpa hai. dravya aur paryāy donon shuddha hai, use gnān jānatā hai, isaliye pramāṇ kahate haĩn.

mumukṣhuḥ- gnānakī paryāy ek hī samayamen donon pahalūoṅko chhadmastha jān sakatā hai?

samādhānaḥ- nirvikalpa hai. vah vikalpase nahīn jānatā hai. ekasāth donon use vedanamen āte haĩn.

mumukṣhuḥ- āshray hai vah dr̥uṣhṭikā kārya hai yā gnān bhī us vakta āshray ...

samādhānaḥ- dravyakā āshray dr̥uṣhṭibhī letī hai aur gnān bhī letā hai, donon lete haĩn. āshray nā?

mumukṣhuḥ- hān̐jī.

samādhānaḥ- dr̥uṣhṭi bhī dravyakā āshray letī hai aur gnān bhī letā hai. gnān donoṅko jānatā hai. dr̥uṣhṭi use gauṇ karatī hai. dr̥uṣhṭikī mukhyatā hai. gnān bhī āshray to letā

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hai, parantu mukhyapane dr̥uṣhṭi hai. gnān bhī āshray letā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- nirvikalpa upayogake vakta donoṅkā gnān hotā hai aur gnānamen dravyakā jor bhī sāthamen rahatā ho.

samādhānaḥ- vah vikalpātmak nahīn hai, nirvikalpa hai. jor yānī vah sahaj hai. dr̥uṣhṭi aur gnān sab sahaj hai. dravyakī mukhyatā rahakar paryāy usamen sāthamen rahatī hai. donon sāth hī hai. vah vikalparūp nahīn hai, vah to sahaj hai. usamen āshray karanā nahīn paḍatā. jo āshray liyā vah sahaj rah jātā hai. āshray karanā nahīn paḍatā. āshrayakā jor use karanā nahīn paḍatā, vah to sahaj hai. jor nahīn karanā paḍatā.

... paryāy to paryāyarūp hī hai. use āshray sahaj rah jātā hai. jaisā hai vaisā rah jātā hai. jo āshray liyā vah sahaj rah jātā hai. vah āshray chhūṭatā nahī̃n. use vikalpa karake āshray nahīn lenā paḍatā.

mumukṣhuḥ- ek hī viṣhay par ho, usamen dravya-paryāy kahanemen āte hain, parantu viṣhay ek hī hai.

samādhānaḥ- use upayog nahīn denā paḍatā. vah to sahaj gnān rahatā hai. dravya par alag upayog karanā paḍe aur paryāyakā alag upayog karanā paḍe, aisā nahīn hai. vah to sahaj vedanamen ekasāth ā jāte haĩn. bhinna-bhinna upayog nahīn denā paḍatā. vah to pariṇatirūp sahaj rah jātā hai. vikalpātmak ho to upayog bhinna-bhinna karanā paḍe, use vikalpātmak kahān̐ hai, sahaj gnān hai. vah vikalpātmak nahīn hai ki paryāyakā upayog alag karanā paḍe, dravyakā upayog karanā paḍe. vah to vedanarūp hai. dravya, guṇ, paryāy sab use gnānamen hai, usake vedanamen hai.

vedan paryāyakā hotā hai, lekin yah sab usake gnānamen hotā hai. sahaj pariṇatirūp hotā hai. usamen upayogakī bhinnatā nahīn karanī paḍatī. usakī sahaj pariṇatimen sab hotā hai. vahān̐ upayog chhinna-chhinna, bhinna-bhinna nahīn hotā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- samajhamen nahīn āye aisī bāt hai.

samādhānaḥ- kahān̐se samajhamen āye? vachanase atīt hai, vachanātīt hai. manase bhī agochar hai. vah upayogakā svarūp, pariṇatikā svarūp, vedanakā svarūp, dravya-guṇ-paryāyakā svarūp vachanātīt hai, manase agochar hai, vah kaise samajhamen āye? vah tarkase par hai, kaise samajhamen āye? tarkamen amuk prakārase āye. bākī sab nahīn ātā. ānandakī sthiti ādi sab manase agochar hai.

jaisī siddha bhagavānakī jāt hai, vaise yah upayogakī khaṇḍa-khaṇḍatā yā koī vikalpa vahān̐ kām nahīn āte. jaise siddha bhagavān jis svarūp pariṇamit hue, usakā ansh

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hai, usakī jāti hai. usamen sahaj guṇ, paryāy pariṇamate haĩn. usamen gnān, darshan sahaj pariṇamate haĩn. usamen koī vikalpa kām nahīn ātā, usakī kalpanā kām nahīn ātī. kalpanāse atīt hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- isamen tarkase kuchh pakaḍamen āye aisā nahīn hai.

samādhānaḥ- pr̥ithvī khaṇḍa-khaṇḍa ho, aisī kalpanā karake vahān̐ siddhānta biṭhānā chāhe to baiṭhe nahī̃n.

mumukṣhuḥ- vikalpamen jaisā vichār kare, vaisā vahān̐kā vichār karate haĩn.

samādhānaḥ- vaisā vichār, vaisā jānanā, aise kalpanā karane baiṭhe to vah samajhamen nahīn ātā.

mumukṣhuḥ- dhyey sahī hogā to sab pahalū apaneāp baiṭh jāyeṅge.

samādhānaḥ- hān̐, dhyey sahī honā chāhiye. yathārtha dhyey ho to sab sahī hotā hai. usakī apūrva ānandakī sthiti, anupam ānandako savikalpake sāth nirvikalpa joḍe to aisī bhī mel nahīn baiṭhatā. vikalpasahitakī sthiti, nirvikalpa sahitakī sthiti, vah sab manase, vachanase sab agochar hai.

ek yathārtha gnāyakako grahaṇ kare to usamen sab ā jātā hai. ek gnāyakake sivā mujhe kuchh nahīn chāhiye. yah rāg, vikalpa yā yah sab ākulatā hai, usase main bhinna hū̃n. andar bhinnatākī shraddhā kar, ek gnāyakako grahaṇ kare to usamen sab use ā jātā hai. yathārtha dhyey hogā to sab yathārtha hogā. sūkṣhmamen sūkṣhma jo bhāv hain, shubhāshubh bhāv merā svarūp nahīn hai. main usase bhinna hū̃n. aise yathārtha nakkī karake āge baḍhe to usamen yathārthatā āyegī. andarase yathārtha nakkī honā chāhiye.

... unakā hai? kamākā kṣhay karanā.... jo mokṣha padhāre, is mārgase padhāre haĩn. vartamān.. vah sab āyā na? bhūt, vartamān... isī mārgase mokṣha padhāre haĩn. aise hī nivr̥utta hue...

dravyake āshrayase paryāy hotī hai, paryāy koī bhinna nahīn hai. gujarātī samajhamen ātā hai? nahīn samajhamen ātā hai?

mumukṣhuḥ- pahalī bār āye hain, mātājī!

samādhānaḥ- dravya hai, usakī dravyakī paryāy hai. dravya paryāyako pahun̐chatā hai. dravya pariṇaman karake paryāy pragaṭ hotī hai. aur paryāy dravyako pahun̐chatī hai. paryāy pragaṭ hotī hai vah dravyake āshrayase pragaṭ hotī hai. dravya pariṇaman karake paryāy pragaṭ hotī hai aur paryāy dravyake āshrayase hotī hai. isaliye dravya, guṇ, paryāy abhed hai. koī bhinna-bhinna ṭūkaḍe nahīn hai. usakā vastubhed nahīn hai. lakṣhaṇabhed hai. vastu to ek gnāyak ek hī

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hai. jisamen ananta guṇ, ananta paryāy hai. dravya pariṇaman karake paryāy hotī hai aur paryāy dravyake āshrayase hotī hai. paryāy dravyako pahun̐chatī hai, dravya paryāyako pahun̐chatā hai. aisā gurudev kahate haĩn.

guṇamense paryāy hotī hai, guṇake āshrayase paryāy hotī hai. guṇ paryāyako pahun̐chatā hai, paryāy guṇako. donon abhed haĩn. aise ṭūkaḍe nahīn hai. lakṣhaṇabhed hai. gnān, darshan, chāritra aise lakṣhaṇ bhinna-bhinna hai. aisī koī bhinna-bhinna vastu nahīn hai, vastu to ek hī hai. aisā gurudev kahate the.

jaise ām ek hai. usamen harā, pīlā aisā varṇa, khaṭṭā-mīṭhā ras, aise ām to ek hai. vaise chaitanyamen ananta guṇ aur paryāy hone par bhī ek hai. vastubhed nahīn hai. aisā koī kahe ki paryāy bhinna rahatī hai, dravya bhinna rahatā hai, vastu donon alag- alag hai, aisā nahīn hotā. ek gnāyakamen ananta hai. chaitanya hai usamen gnān hai, darshan hai, chāritra hai. gnān gnānakā kārya karatā hai, darshan darshanakā, chāritra chāritrakā lekin sab vastumen ek hai. bhinna-bhinna nahīn hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- pūjya mātājī! ārambhamen ātā hai, je jāṇe arhantane te jāṇe nij ātmane. ham arihantadevake darshan to man, vachan, kāyāse pratidin karate haĩn. phir ātmāko jānanemen kahān̐ kamī rah jātī hai? thoḍāsā pharamāiye.

samādhānaḥ- jo arhantako jāne vah ātmāko jānatā hai, aisā ātā hai. parantu arhantako ... jānanā chāhiye. arhanta bhagavānake dravya, guṇ, paryāy, arhantakā svarūp jāne to apanā svarūp jānatā hai. aise arhantako pahachāne binā aise hī arhanta bhagavānako namaskār karatā hai, arhanta bhagavānakā ādar karatā hai to shubhabhāv hotā hai, puṇyabandha hotā hai, parantu arhantakā svarūp nahīn jānatā hai to ātmākā svarūp nahīn jānatā.

arhantakā svarūp jānanā chāhiye. arhanta bhagavān kaun hai? unakā ātmā kaun hai? usamen kyā guṇ hai? unhonne-arhanta bhagavānane kyā pragaṭ kiyā? kaun hai arhanta bhagavān? aise ātmāko pahachānanā chāhiye. jo arhantake ātmāke pahachānatā hai, vah apane ātmāko pahachānatā hai. jo ātmāko pahachānatā hai, vah arhanta bhagavānako pahachānatā hai. isaliye nishadin bhagavānako namaskār karate hain, lekin jānatā nahīn hai ki bhagavān kyā hai? bhagavānakā kyā svarūp hai?

sab ātmā bhagavān jaise hī hain, parantu bhagavānako pahachāne to apaneko pīchhānatā hai. bhagavānakā svarūp pahachānanā chāhiye. bhagavān shuddha svarūp shuddhātmā, usakā darshan, gnān, chāritra pragaṭ karake, sādhanā karake bhagavānane kevalagnān pragaṭ kiyā. bhagavān ātmāke ānandamen ramate haĩn. bhagavānane pūrṇa vītarāg dashā pragaṭ kī hai. bhagavānakā svarūp jāne

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tab apane ātmāko jānatā hai.

bhagavānakā svarūp jo jāne to apane ātmāko pahachāne binā rahatā hī nahī̃n. bhītaramense jānanā chāhiye. aise sab ātmā shuddha svarūp hī hai. shuddhātmā hai. usamen puruṣhārtha kare ki main gnāyak hūn̐, main jānanevālā hūn̐, shuddhātmā hūn̐, yah vibhāv merā svabhāv nahīn hai. vibhāvase main bhinna hī hū̃n. merā svabhāv main jānanevālā hū̃n. meremen ananta guṇ hai. jaise bhagavānamen hain, vaise meremen haĩn. aisā vichār kare to apane ātmāko pahachānatā hai. usamen svānubhūti hotī hai. samyagdarshan, gnān aur chāritra-līnatā karanese hotā hai. bārambār usamen līn honese kevalagnān hotā hai. aise bhagavānakā svarūp jāne bhītaramense to apanā svarūp pragaṭ hotā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- param pūjya bhagavatī mātājī! antim prashna hai ki chhadmasthake liye gnāniyoṅko sukhakā vedan sarvāṅgase hotā hai yā niyat pradeshonse hotā hai? sukhakā vedan niyat pradeshonse hotā hai yā sarvāṅgase hotā hai? chhadmasthake liye.

samādhānaḥ- vah to ātmāmen hai... shāstramen ātā hai ki jahān̐ man hotā hai, manake nimittase yahān̐ hotā hai. vah sarvāṅgase hotā hai yā amuk pradeshamen hotā hai, yah jānanekā kuchh prayojan nahīn hai. jo ātmāko jānatā hai, usako svānubhūti hotī hai. manake nimittase... man chhūṭ jātā hai vikalpa aur nirvikalpa dashā hotī hai. sarvāṅgase hove yā amuk pradeshase hove, vah to jānanekī bāt hai. shāstramen jo ātā hai vah hotā hī hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- ātmadarshanake liye gnān ekadam tvarāse kaise prāpta kar sake?

samādhānaḥ- prayojanabhūt gnāna. jyādā jāne, shāstra jyādā jāne to... gujarātī samajhamen ātā hai na? jyādā shāstrakā abhyās kare, shāstra jāne, aisā kuchh nahīn hai usamẽn. ātmāko jāne mūl prayojanabhūt ki main ek gnāyak ātmā hūn̐ aur yah vibhāv merā svabhāv nahīn hai. aisā bhedagnān karake antaramen jāy, aisā yathārtha gnān ho to vah āge jātā hai. prayojanabhūt gnāna.

mumukṣhuḥ- bhedagnān karaneke liye saral upāy...?

samādhānaḥ- saral upāy, ātmākī laganī lagāye, jignāsā kare, usakī laganī hove to hotā hai, binā laganīke nahīn ho sakatā. laganī lagāye, main gnāyak hū̃n. main kaun hūn̐? merā svabhāv kyā hai? main shāshvat ātmā hū̃n. anādiananta dravyamen koī ashuddhatā nahīn hai, paryāyamen ashuddhatā hai. paryāyakī ashuddhatā ṭālaneko andar bhedagnān kare.

bhedagnān karanekā upāy andar laganī lage, kahīn sār na lage. sārabhūt ātmā hī hai, bākī koī sārabhūt nahīn hai. to vah vibhāvase bhinna hue binā nahīn rahatā. vibhāv

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ākulatārūp-duḥkharūp hai. vibhāvakā lakṣhaṇ jāne, gnānakā lakṣhaṇ jāne. gnān aur vibhāvakā lakṣhaṇ jānakar bhinna paḍe. bhinna paḍanekī taiyārī.. andar laganī lage, use virakti āye, svabhāvamen kahīn chain na paḍe, svabhāvakī mahimā āye to hotā hai.

bhedagnān karaneke liye svabhāvakī mahimā (ānī chāhiye). vibhāvase vairāgya āye, pratyek vibhāvake prasaṅg ho usase vairāgya, vibhāv pariṇatise vairāgya, sabase vairāgya āve aur ātmākī mahimā lage aur tattvakā vichār karake prayojanabhūt gnān kare to āge jāya. jyādā jāne to jāy aisā nahīn, prayojanabhūt gnān to honā chāhiye.

mumukṣhuḥ- bhedagnān prāpta karaneke liye gnānīkā sānnidhya kuchh visheṣh nahīn kar sakatā?

samādhānaḥ- gnānīkā sānnidhya kare, lekin antaramen āshray svayaṅko lenā chāhiye. nimitta to prabal hai. unakā sānnidhya to lābhakā kāraṇ hai aur usase āge jā sakatā hai. lekin vah sānnidhya lenevālā svayam antaramense sānnidhya le to ho sakatā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- antaramense sānnidhya leneke liye dhyānamen ūtaranā jarūr hai?

samādhānaḥ- andar sānnidhya lenemen utanī laganī laganī chāhiye. antaramen, bas, bākī sab niḥsār lage to hotā hai. gnānīkā sānnidhya mile... jo gnānīne prāpta kiyā vah mujhe kaise prāpta ho? use svayaṅko laganī laganī chāhiye. sab ras chhūṭakar gnānīke charaṇamen (jāye), mujhe kuchh nahīn chāhiye. mujhe ek ātmā chāhiye. aisī andaramen lage to ho sakatā hai.

aur gnānī jo kahate hain, vah kyā kahate hain? usakā āshay grahaṇ karaneke liye apanī utanī taiyārī aur usakā vichār kare to use sachchā gnān ho. sachche gnānake binā āge nahīn jā sakatā. lekin sachchā gnāna. rūkhā gnān nahīn, apitu sachchā-andar hr̥uday bhīgā huā ho aur jo gnān ho, vah kārya karatā hai. gnānīkā sānnidhya lābhakā kāraṇ hai. lekin svayam andar grahaṇ karake aisī laganī lagāye, gnānīke charaṇamen (jāye), gnānī jo kahe vah svayam andar grahaṇ karatā jāy, to hotā hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- sachchā gnān māne main svayam sva. usamen anubhūti-anubhavakā sātatya nahīn rahatā...

samādhānaḥ- usakā kāraṇ? vah satat nahīn rahatā hai, usakā kāraṇ apane puruṣhārthakī mandatā hai. anādikā abhyās hai isaliye usamen dauḍā jātā hai. dauḍ anādi kālakī hai. usake anupātamen svayam is or svabhāvakī or utanī dauḍ nahīn lagātā. bārambār, bārambār... chhūṭ jāy to bhī bārambār,.. jo gnānīne kahā, usakā rahasya grahaṇ karaneke liye us anusār pariṇati karaneke liye svayam bārambār prayās nahīn karatā hai, to kahān̐- se ho? vah to chhūṭ jātā hai. bārambār prayās karanā chāhiye.

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jo gnānīne kahā ho, usakā rahasya hr̥udayamen ūtāraneke liye bārambār apane puruṣhārthakī dauḍ lagātā nahī̃n. to kahān̐-se ho? bārambār ekatvabuddhimen chalā jātā hai. sharīr, vibhāv ādi sabamen ekatva hotā hai, to bārambār usase (bhinna paḍanekā) prayās kare to hotā hai. apane netrakī ālasake kāraṇ harike darshan nahīn kiye. apane netrakī ālasake kāraṇ svayam hirako nirakhatā nahīn, dekhatā nahīn hai. apanā kāraṇ hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- brahmanād us viṣhayamen kuchh kahiye. svagnānamen kitanā...?

samādhānaḥ- brahmanād, vah nād koī āvāj nahīn hai. brahma svarūp ātmā hī hai. brahma svarūp ātmā svayam antaramen jāy, svayam apane svarūpako vede-svānubhūti kare vah brahmanād hai. nād koī bāharase āvāj nahīn ātī. āvāj āye vah to pudagalakī āvāj hai. brahmanād yānī brahmakā antarase vedan ho, svānubhūti-apanā anubhav ho, usakā nām brahmanād hai. nād yānī bāharakī āvāj nahīn hai, chaitanyakī āvāj hai. vah koī karṇase sunanekī āvāj nahīn hai. usakā vedan ho vah usakā brahmanād hai.

mumukṣhuḥ- bāharase to ātā hī nahīn hai, andarase ātā hai. samādhānaḥ- parantu nād shabda yānī vah sunanekā nahīn hai, vah to vedan hai. svarūpakā koī apūrva, anupam, jisake sāth kisīkī upamā nahīn lāgū paḍatī hai, aisā jo chaitanyakā brahma svarūp, us brahma svarūpakī anubhūti... ananta svabhāv, ananta guṇonse bharā huā jo achintya hai, jo kalpanāse atīt hai, usakī jo anubhūti hai vah brahmanād hai. usamen vikalpa chhūṭakar jo ātmākī anubhūti hotī hai, vah brahmanād hai.

prashamamūrti bhagavatī mātano jay ho! mātājīnī amr̥ut vāṇīno jay ho!

 

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