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samAdhAnaH- upAdAn yAnI mUl vastu, mUlame.n svaya.n upAdAna. upAdAnakAraN yAnI svaya.nkA kAraNa. jo vastu hai, vah mUl vastu upAdAn aur sAthame.n ho use nimitta kahate hai.n. sphaTik svaya.n mUl vastu hai. usame.n hare-pIle ra.ngakA pratibi.nb uThe vah bAhar hai, vah nimitta aur svaya.n mUl vastu hai vah upAdAna. usake upAdAnakI yogyatA aisI hai ki usame.n lAl-pIle ra.ngakA pratibi.nb uThatA hai, vah usakA upAdAna. bAhar hai vah nimitta. nimitta kuCh karatA nahI.n, svaya.nke kAraN aisA hotA hai. parantu usakA mUl svabhAv hai, usakA nAsh nahI.n hotA.

mumukShuH- ...

samAdhAnaH- jalI huI DorI hotI hai, vaise karma abhI bAkI hai. kevalaj~nAnIko karmakA nAsh ho gayA, karmakA to kShay ho gayA hai. phir jo thoDe karma bAkI hai vah karma aise hai.n, jalI huI DorI hotI hai na? jalI huI rassI hotI hai na? khAT bharate hai.n na? jalI huI rassI jaise karma (bAkI hai), ekadam TUT jAye aise hai.n. thoDI derame.n khatma ho jAte hai.n. unhe.n, ghAtikarma jo kevalaj~nAnako roke, jo andar AtmAke puruShArthake roke, vaise nimittarUp, koI rokatA nahI.n hai, apane puruShArthakI mandatAse rukA hai. kevalaj~nAnI bhagavAnako jo aise karma the, vah to kShay ho gaye. parantu bAdame.n jo bAkI rahe, abhI sharIr ChUTA nahI.n, aise jo karma bAkI hai, vah karma jalI huI rassIke samAn hai, jaldI nAsh ho jAye aise karma (hai.n). kevalaj~nAnI sharIrasahit ho to kevalaj~nAnIko sab karma kShay ho gaye hai.n, parantu bAkI jo rahe hai.n vah jalI huI rassIke samAn hai. jab siddha ho.nge tab vah sab ChUT jAye.nge. AyuShya Adi karma hai, vah sab karma jalI huI rassIke samAn bAkI rahe hai.n. nAmakarma hai, gotrakarma hai aise karma (bAkI hai.n).

mumukShuH- ghanaghAtI karma yAnI kyA?

samAdhAnaH- ghanaghAtI, jo AtmAke guNo.nke ghAtame.n nimitta ho, use ghanaghAtI kahate hai.n. jaise kevalaj~nAnako rokanevAlA, kevaladarshanako, andar puruShArthako un sabako rokanevAle karmako ghanaghAtI kahate hai.n. AtmAke guNako ghAt karaneme.n nimitta. arthAt vah ghAt nahI.n karate, parantu nimitta hai.

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jaise sphaTik hai, bAhar hote hai.n na? hare-pIle phUl, usake bhA.Nti. karma usame.n nimitta hai isaliye ghanaghAti kahate hai.n. kuCh karma aise hote hai.n ki jo guNakA ghAt nahI.n karate, mAtra sharIr prApta ho, AyuShya hotA hai, un sab kamAko ghanaghAtI nahI.n kahate, use aghAti kahate hai.n. vah AtmAke guNo.nkA ghAt nahI.n karate. sharIr mile, AyuShya ho un sabako aghAti kahate hai.n.

mumukShuH- ...ChaThThA ArA AyA, matalab?

samAdhAnaH- use kAl kahate hai.n, Aro yAnI chaturtha kAl, pa.ncham kAl, aise kAla. jagatame.n aisA kAl AtA hai ki jisame.n aise janma lete hai.n ki use chaturtha kAl (kahate hai.n). achChe-achChe jIvakA janma hotA ho, jo mokShame.n jAnevAle ho, aisI unakI pAtratA ho, kevalaj~nAn prApta kare, koI samyagdarshan (prApta kare), koI muni bane, R^iddhidhArak muni bane, aise kAlako chaturtha kAl kahate hai.n. jisame.n tIrtha.nkarakA janma ho, jisame.n kevalaj~nAnI vicharate ho, use chaturtha kAl kahate hai.n-chaturtha ArA. jisame.n bhagavAn tIrtha.nkarakA janma ho, use chaturtha-achChA kAl kahate hai.n. kahA na? achChA kAl AyA hai. lokame.n aisA kahate hai.n na ki apane liye yah achChA kAl hai ki yah puNyakA kAl AyA to ab unnati hotI hai. kisIkA dhan kam ho jAye to kahe ki ab hin kAl AyA, kisIko sharIrame.n rog Aye to kahe ki hin ho gayA hai, anukUlatA hove to kahe ab unnatikA samay AyA. vaise chaturtha kAla. Aro yAnI chaturthakAlame.n achChe- achChe jIvo.nkI unnati hotI hai isaliye use chaturtha kAl, chaturtha ArA kahate hai.n.

mumukShuH- usame.n bhI maryAdA hotI hogI?

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, kuCh kAl tak aise jIvo.nkA hI janma hotA hai. achChe jIv hote hai.n vah dUsare kShetrame.n janma lete hai.n. pa.nchamakAl Aye to usame.n amuk prakArake jIv janma lete hai.n. dharma to rahatA hai, amuk prakArakA dharma to rahatA hai, parantu dekhiye, abhI to kapaT, mAyAchArI Adi baDh gayA hai. aise logo.nkA janma ho use pa.nchamakAl kahate hai.n. pa.ncham ArA. ChaThThe Areme.n to utanA hogA ki hi.nsA baDh jAyegI. use ChaThThA kAl kahate hai.n.

samAdhAnaH- ... AtmA bandhA nahI.n hai. abaddha yAnI bandhA huA nahI.n hai. gAthAme.n hai, harigIt hai na? AtmA kisI bhI karmase vAstavikarUpase bandhA huA nahI.n hai, AtmA bhinna hI hai. makaDIkI jAl hotI hai usame.n makaDI bhinna hI hai. vaise AtmA bhinna hI hai. karmase vaise nahI.n bandhA hai ki vah bhinna nahI.n ho sake. andar bhinna hI hai. abaddha hai, aspR^iShTa hai. vah kisIse sparshit nahI.n huA hai. jaise kamal pAnIme.n ho, pAnIme.n kamal ho to aise dikhatA hai ki mAno pAnIme.n aur kIchaDame.n lipta ho gayA

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ho. parantu vah kamal lipta nahI.n hotA hai, kamal to bhinna hI rahatA hai.

aise AtmA to andar bhinna hI hai. abaddha, aspR^iShTa, ananya. AtmA anya koI bhI sharIrarUp nahI.n ho jAtA. janma-maraN kare. manuShya, nArakI, dev Adi rUp ho nahI.n jAtA. AtmA to AtmA hI rahatA hai. AtmA anya-anya, alag-alag nahI.n ho jAtA. ananya-ekarUp jo apanA svarUp hai vaisA hI rahatA hai. bhinna-bhinna avasthA dhAraN kare, alag-alag paryAy ho, AtmA vaisA hI rahatA hai.

mumukShuH- .. shuddhatAme.n keli kare, usakA matalab kyA?

samAdhAnaH- keli yAnI usame.n khelate hai.n, lIlA karate hai.n, aisA nahI.n kahate? shuddhatAme.n keli kare, shuddhatA ras barase, amR^itadhArA barase. AtmAme.n samyagdarshan ho, Age baDhe, svAnubhUtime.n khelatA ho to shuddhatAme.n keli kare, amR^itaras barase. keli-khelatA hai, keli yAnI khelatA hai.

mai.n shuddha hI hU.N. shuddhatAko dhyAve, shuddhatAkA dhyAn kare, shuddhatAme.n keli kare, shuddhatAme.n khel kare, amR^itadhArA barase. aisA karanese andar amR^itakI dhArA barasatI hai. shuddhatAkA dhyAn karatA hai.

mumukShuH- gaNadharadevako aisI R^iddhi hotI hai ki bArah a.ngako gU.nthate hai.n. hame.n aisI koI R^iddhi dIjiye ki ham virodhiyo.nke bIchame.n rahate hue bhI j~nAnIke prati sha.nkA utpanna na ho aur hamArI shA.nti bha.ng na ho, aisI koI R^iddhi de dIjiye.

samAdhAnaH- vah to apane puruShArthake hAthakI bAt hai. virodhiyo.nke bIchame.n rahakar bhI AtmAkI ArAdhanA karanA (ki) mai.n j~nAyak hU.N. bAhar nahI.n AnA. j~nAyakasvarUp AtmA hU.N, dev-guru-shAstrakI mahimAkI ArAdhanA, AtmAkI ArAdhanA. aisI bhAvanA, puruShArtha karanA. bhItarame.n lakShaN pahachAnakar dR^iDhatA karanI. bAharakI bAt sun-sunakar nakkI nahI.n karanA. pratyakSha dekhe binA koI bAt nakkI nahI.n karanA. jo pratyakSha dekhA ho use hI nakkI karanA. AtmAkA svabhAv bhI apanA lakShaN pahachAnakar nakkI karanA. .. svAdhyAy karanA, dUsarI bAto.nme.n nahI.n paDanA.

mumukShuH- vAdavivAdame.n bhI nahI.n paDanA?

samAdhAnaH- vAdavivAdame.n bhI nahI.n paDanA. kisIme.n nahI.n paDanA. apanI utanI shakti nahI.n ho to vAdavivAdame.n nahI.n paDanA. AtmA hai to puruShArtha kar sakatA hai. AtmAkA prayojan sAdhanA apane hAthakI bAt hai. use koI rok nahI.n sakatA. nyAre rahakar apane AtmAkI sAdhanA puruShArtha karanese ho sakatI hai.

mumukShuH- mAtAjI! koI, j~nAniyo.nke liye yA gurudevake liye yA kisIke bhI liye mAno.n ki do-chAr UlaTe-sIdhe shabda bole to ham to sa.nsArI hai.n, aisA bhaktikA rAg

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A jAye ki gurudevake liye aisA kyo.n? athavA dUsare j~nAnIke liye aisA kyo.n bole? aisA vikalpa Aye to... mAtAjI! ham to aj~nAnI hai.n, aise samayame.n kyA karanA?

samAdhAnaH- aise vikalpa nahI.n karanA, aise vikalpa nahI.n karanA. (mumukShukA) kArya hai ki maryAdAke bAhar nahI.n jAnA. maryAdAse bAhar jAye to...

mumukShuH- mAtAjI! apane koI bhI mumukShu maryAdAkI hadakA ulla.nghan kare, aise hai.n hI nahI.n. gurudevakA apAr upakAr aur ApakA apAr upakAr hai ki maryAdAkA ulla.nghan nahI.n karate hai.n. parantu sAmanevAle ulla.nghan karake yahA.N A jAye aur apaneko kuCh bhI kare to kyA khaDe rah jAnA?

samAdhAnaH- sAmanevAlA maryAdAkA ulla.nghan kare to usakA vah jAne, svaya.n maryAdAkA ulla.nghan nahI.n kare. ...

mumukShuH- bahinashrI! kundakundasvAmI kevalaj~nAnakA svarUp jab gAthAme.n varNan karate hai.n, tab to sab anubhavasiddha varNan karate hai.n. kevalaj~nAnakA svarUp shAstrake AdhArase varNan karate hai.n yA usaprakArakI tarkaNAse kevalaj~nAnakA svarUp khyAlame.n lete hai.n? anubhav to kevalaj~nAn..

samAdhAnaH- AchAyAkI kyA bAt karanI, kaise varNan karate hai.n. AchArya hai.n so AchArya hai.n. unakI shakti to koI alag hI hotI hai. usame.n bhI kundakundAchAryakI kyA bAt! unhe.n to andar shrutaj~nAn koI alag hI thA. unake andar aisI koI shakti thI, svaya.n andarase samajh sake. svAnubhUtime.n kevalaj~nAn pragaT nahI.n huA hai, parantu samyagdarshanapUrvak unakI dashA andar kahA.N tak TikatI hai, ChaThThe-sAtave.n guNasthAname.n jhulate hue muni (hai.n). aur unakA j~nAn yAnI is pa.nchamakAlame.n chAro.n or kundakunda AmnAy, kundakunda AmnAy (ho gayA). unakI shakti koI alag thI. mAtra Uparase vichAr karake (kahate hai.n), aisA nahI.n. unakI bAt yAnI bas... a.ntar shrutaj~nAn unakA koI alag thA. shrutaj~nAnase bAt karate hai.n.

AtA hai na? shrutaj~nAn aur kevalaj~nAn, dono.nme.n koI nahI.n dekhanA. mAtra pratyakSha, parokShakA a.ntar hai. kevalaj~nAnI pratyakSha dekhate hai.n, shrutaj~nAnI parokSha dekhate hai.n. lekin dono.n samAn hai, aisA shAstrame.n AtA hai. usame.n AchAyAkI bAt kyA karanI! AchAyAne usakA rahasya samajhAyA hai. kevalaj~nAnI sab pratyakSha dekhate hai.n, to shrutaj~nAnI sab parokSha dekhate hai.n.

mumukShuH- usame.nse aisA artha nikale ki kevalaj~nAnIkI sAkShAt bhe.nT huI thI?

samAdhAnaH- usame.nse vichAr kare to nikale ki kevalaj~nAnIkI bhe.nT huI thI. bhe.nT huI thI, mAno.n nahI.n bhI huI ho to shrutaj~nAnakA svarUp hI aisA hai ki shrutaj~nAnI aur

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kevalaj~nAnI dono.n samAn hai.n, aisA shAstrame.n AtA hai. unakA shrutaj~nAn aisA hai. pravachanasArame.n bhI kevali bhagavAnake pAs gaye the vah bAt to gAthAo.nme.nse nikalatA hai. vartamAn kShetrame.n vicharate sIma.ndhar bhagavAn eva.n pratyek-pratyek sabako vandan karatA hU.N, Adi sab AtA hai. nikalatA hai kyA, kitane hI AchAyAne likhA hai ki kundakundachArya videhakShetrame.n gaye the. aise lekh Ate haiai.n, usake sab shilAlekh Ate hai.n. usakA to vichAr karanA paDe aisA kahA.N hai? shilAlekho.nme.n, pa.nchAstikAyame.n, devasenAchArya Adi sab kahate hai.n. unakI lekhanIke bAreme.n kahA.N vichAr karanA paDe aisA hai. unakI gAthAo.nme.n (AtA hai), pratyek- pratyekako videhakShetrame.n vicharate bhagava.nto.nko namaskAr karatA hU.N.

mumukShuH- unakI vANIme.n OM hI AtA hai, aisA hai kyA?

samAdhAnaH- kevalaj~nAnIkI vANIme.n OM AtA hai. AchAyAkI vANIme.n OM nahI.n AtA. bhagavAnakI vANIme.n OM AtA hai. bhagavAnako ichChA TUT gaI hai, vItarAg ho gaye hai.n, isaliye vANIme.n OM AtA hai. AchArya to muni hai.n, shAstrame.n dravya-guN-paryAyakA vistAr karake varNan karate hai.n. bhagavAnakI vANIme.n OM AtA hai, parantu usame.n ananta rahasya AtA hai. pUre lokAlokakA svarUp AtA hai.

mumukShuH- ApashrI kevalaj~nAnakA svarUp batAte ho tab aisA lagatA hai ki Apako bhI bhe.nT huI ho aur sunA ho, aise hI kahate ho.

samAdhAnaH- jisako jaisA artha karanA ho vaisA kare.

mumukShuH- mAtAjI! logo.nko to shilAlek AdikA AdhAr lenA paDatA hai, hame.n to sAkShAt ApakA AdhAr milA hai. kundakundAchArya vahA.N padhAre the, Apane sAkShAt dekhA hai, isase baDhakar aur kyA AdhAr chAhiye? ham to adhik bhAgyashAlI hai.n, Ap sAkShAt mojUd hai.n. logo.nko mAtra shilAlekh dekhane milate hai.n, Ap to sAkShAt hame.n prApta hue hai.n.

samAdhAnaH- shAstrame.n sab pramANabhUt hai. shilAlekh hai, sab TIkAo.nme.n hai, sab pramANabhUt hai. jainasamAjame.n, digambar samAjame.n (AdhArabhUt hai). Ap sab mAnate ho vah mAne.

mumukShuH- mAtAjI! hame.n to ApakA mAnanA hai, dUsaro.nko jo mAnanA hai vah mAne, hame.n kyA? hamane ek j~nAnIko pakaDe hai.n, dUsareko kyo.n pakaDanA? bakarekA jhu.nD hotA hai, si.nhakA nahI.n hotA.

samAdhAnaH- .. chaturtha guNasthAn yAnI samyagdarshanakI bhUmikA hai. samyagdarshan prApta ho, use chaturtha guNasthAn kahate hai.n. svAnubhUti ho, bhedaj~nAn ho, AtmAkI svAnubhUti hotI hai vah chaturtha guNasthAn hai.

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mumukShuH- sAth-sAth samyagdarshan hotA hai, tIno.n sAthame.n hotA hai?

samAdhAnaH- samyagdarshan-j~nAn hotA hai, chaturtha guNasthAname.n abhI chAritra nahI.n hai. vAstavik chAritra munidashAme.n (hotA hai). ye to gR^ihasthAshramame.n hote hai.n isaliye thoDI lInatA hai. bAkI chAritradashA ratnatray nahI.n, samyagdarshan kah sakate hai.n. svarUpAcharaN chAritra kahate hai.n. lekin jo muni hote hai.n, aisA chAritra nahI.n.

mumukShuH- paun sekaNDase adhik nidrA nahI.n hotI, aisA kaise?

samAdhAnaH- ChaThThe-sAtave.n guNasthAname.n jhulate hai.n. a.ntarmuhUrta-a.ntarmuhUrtame.n AtmAme.n jAte hai.n. usame.n nidrA kaise ho? kShaN-kShaName.n jAgR^it hote haiai.n, kShaN-kShaName.n jAgR^it hote hai.n.

mumukShuH- samyagdarshan yAnI kyA? aur use prApta karaneke liye is pAmar jIvako ... kaise ho?

samAdhAnaH- samyagdarshanakA svarUp, is pa.nchamakAlame.n gurudevane yahA.N padhArakar kitanA vistAr karake samajhAyA hai. samajhanA mushkil, prApta karanA mushkil, sab mushkil thA. parantu gurudevane kitanA mArga (spaShTa kiyA).

.. AtmAkI or dekhatA bhI nahI.n. bAharame.n hI usakI dR^iShTi hai. bAharase dharma hotA hai, sabakuCh bAharase hI mAn liyA hai. bAharase j~nAn AtA hai, bAharase sukh AtA hai, bAharase sab AtA hai. dR^iShTi bAhar hI hai, isaliye use durlabh ho gayA hai. a.ntar dR^iShTi kare to pahachAn sakatA hai. a.ntar dR^iShTi kiye binA janma-maraN hote hI rahate hai.n. jyAdAse jyAdA shubhabhAv kare, bAhya kriyA kare, kuCh kare, kuCh ChoDe, kuCh kare, (usame.n bhI) shubhabhAv ho to puNyabandha hotA hai. puNyase devame.n jAtA hai. parantu bhavakA abhAv to hotA nahI.n. bhavakA abhAv to ek AtmAko pahachAne ki mai.n chaitanyatattva anAdise kyo.n rakhaDA? merA kyA svarUp hai? aur ye vibhAvakA duHkh kaise Tale? andar vichAr kare, andar jij~nAsA kare, laganI lagAye, use is sa.nsArakI thakAn lage to a.ntarame.n jAye. use thakAn nahI.n lagI aur andarase use ChUTanekI ichChA ho ki mai.n kaise ChUTU.n? a.ntarame.nse mArga mil jAtA hai. svaya.n hI hai, gupta nahI.n hai, svaya.n nahI.n hai. mArga a.ntarase mil jAtA hai.

AtmA jAnanevAlA j~nAyak hai. usakA j~nAnalakShaN hai, j~nAnalakShaNase pahachAname.n Aye aisA hai. aur usakA svarUp gurudevane bahut batAyA hai. use samajhAnevAle gurudev pratyakSha the aur unakI vANI mUsalAdhAr barasatI thI. AtmAkA svarUp kyA hai? usake dravya- guN-paryAy kyA hai? pudagalake kyA hai? dono.n vastu atya.nt bhinna hai.n. a.ntar AtmA ananta guNo.nse virAjamAn anupam tattva hai. lekin use pahachAne to a.ntarame.n jAye. usakI laganI lagAye, usakI jij~nAsA kare to hotA hai. jij~nAsA hue binA, a.ntar laganI lage binA,

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usakA svarUp pahachAne binA Age nahI.n jA sakatA. usakA svarUp pahachAnanekA prayatna karanA chAhiye. usakA svarUp pahachAnaneeke liye vichAr kare, vA.nchan kare, shAstra svAdhyAy kare, gurudevane kyA kahA hai, usakA vichAr kare to Age baDh sakatA hai.

muumukShuH- aisI shakti svaya.nme.n hai ki jisake AdhArase vah Age baDh sake. samAdhAnaH- hai, svaya.n ananta shaktise bharA AtmA hai. koI de to ho jAye, aisA nahI.n hai. svaya.n hI hai, svata.ntra hai. vah parAdhIn nahI.n hai ki koI kar de to ho jAye. svaya.nme.n ananta shakti hai. jaise bhagavAn hai.n, vaisA svaya.n hai. jaise siddha bhagavAn hai.n, jaise tIrtha.nkaradev hai.n, unakA jaisA AtmA hai, vaisA hI svaya.nkA AtmA hai. usame.n aur isake svabhAvame.n kuCh bhI a.ntar nahI.n hai.

bhagavAnane jo prApta kiyA vah svaya.n kar sake aisA hai. a.ntarame.n puruShArtha kare to (hotA hai). utanI ananta shaktise bharA chaitanyadev virAjatA hai. usame.n ananta shakti bharI hai. lekin puruShArtha kare to hotA hai, puruShArtha kiye binA (nahI.n hotA). bAra.nbAr usakA puruShArtha karanA chAhiye. kShaN-kShaName.n usakA vichAr karanA chAhiye, usakI laganI lagAye. ChAChame.nse makkhan banAnA ho to bAra.nbAr use biloye to Upar AtA hai. binA prayatna nahI.n AtA.

isaprakAr bhinna honeke liye, vibhAvase bhinna honeke liye... a.ntarame.n bhinna hI hai, lekin ekatvabuddhi (ho gayI hai). bAra.nbAr usakA vichAr kare, ma.nthan kare, bAra.nbAr kare, laganI lagAye to bhinna ho sakatA hai. ananta shaktise bharA hai.

mumukShuH- shakti to pragaT ho tab AtI hai na?

samAdhAnaH- andar ananta shakti bharI hai. pragaT ho tab Aye, aisA nahI.n. usame.n shakti bharI hI hai. svaya.n prayAs kare to hotA hai. pAnI svabhAvase nirmal hI hai. kIchaDake kAraN mailA dikhatA hai, parantu usakA svabhAv nirmal hai. usame.n nirmalI auShadhi DAle to nirmal hotA hai. vaise svaya.n svabhAvase nirmal hai. ananta shaktise bharA hai. puruShArtha karake, andar yathArtha j~nAn karake, j~nAnakI auShadi DAle, praj~nAChainI pragaT kare to AtmA andarase pragaT ho aisA hai.

mumukShuH- Apane do bAt kahI, shakti bharI bhI hai aur puruShArtha bhI karanA paDe. samAdhAnaH- bharI hai, parantu use kAryAnvit nahI.n kI hai. kAryame.n rakhe to hotA hai. shakti to bharI hI hai. svaya.n karatA nahI.n hai.