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mumukShuH- jAnanekA jo svabhAv kahA hai, vah bhI rAgakA kAraN hai, to usase visheSh kyA?

samAdhAnaH- ... hone par bhI, anAdise parakI or, parakI or ekatvabuddhi kI hai. isaliye par or jAtA hai. jAnanekA svabhAv hai, lekin svaya.n jAnatA kahA.N hai? j~nAyak rahakar jAnatA nahI.n hai. jAnanekA svabhAv hone par bhI svaya.nko pahachAnatA nahI.n hai. isaliye use mushkil ho gayA hai. rAgame.n aTak gayA hai. anAdi kAlase svaya.n j~nAyak hone par bhI, svaya.n chaitanya hone par bhI vibhAvakI or ekatvabuddhi karake bhrAntime.n paDA hai. svaya.n svaya.nko bhUl gayA hai.

yah ek AshcharyakI bAt hai ki svaya.n svaya.nko ChoDakar bAhar jAtA hai. isaliye svaya.n svaya.nko jAne. j~nAyak honeke bAvajUd udAsIn rahakar jAnatA nahI.n hai aur kartA hokar dUsareko mai.n karatA hU.N, karatA hU.N, aisI kartR^itvabuddhime.n paDA rahatA hai, j~nAyak nahI.n hotA hai. usakI svaya.nkI bhUl hai, bhrAntime.n paDA hai. jAnaneke bAvajUd, svaya.n svaya.nko jAnatA nahI.n hai, yah ek AshcharyakI bAt hai. jAnanekA puruShArtha kare to jAn sake aisA hai.

mumukShuH- j~nAnako rAgake sAth ekamek kar letA hai.

samAdhAnaH- ekatvabuddhi, rAgamishrit j~nAn (hai). rAg bhinna hai aur mai.n j~nAn bhinna hU.N, aise bhinnatA kare to hotA hai. rAgake vikalpa Aye, us vikalpake sAth rAgamishrit j~nAn (chalatA hai). rAg so mai.n nahI.n hU.N, mai.n j~nAn hU.N. j~nAn so mai.n, mai.n pUrNa j~nAyak hU.N. ekatvabuddhi ChUTatI nahI.n, j~nAyak hotA nahI.n. j~nAtA... kare so karatArA, jAne so jAnanahArA. j~nAtA hotA nahI.n aur kartAbuddhi ChUTatI nahI.n. j~nAtA ho jA to kartAbuddhi ChUTe. kartAUbuddhi ChUTe to j~nAyak hotA hai. dono.n ekasAth rahe hai.n.

mumukShuH- ... sAdhakakI paryAy, samayasArakI 15vI.n gAthAme.n. dravya eva.n bhAv jinashAsan sakal dekhe. vah j~nAnIkA bhAvashrut hai na?

samAdhAnaH- bhAvashruta. te jinashAsan dekhe khare. dravya temaj bhAv jinashAsan sakal dekhe kare. usakI pratham pa.nkti kyA hai? dravya temaj bhAv jinashAsan sakal dekhe khare.

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bas, usame.n pUre AtmAkA svarUp A gayA. abaddhaspR^iShTa-AtmA bandhA nahI.n hai, sparshit nahI.n hai. AtmA sAmAnyase visheSh ho nahI.n jAtA. AtmA niyat hai, aniyatarUp nahI.n hai. samudrakA dR^iShTAnta diyA. is vR^iddhi-hAnirUp AtmA mUl svabhAvase hotA nahI.n. AtmA visheSharUp anya-anya hotA nahI.n. AtmA ananya (hai). anya-anya hotA nahI.n, ekarUp hai. sab guNo.nke bhed honeke bAvajUd abhed hai. aisA samAnya hai. vibhAvake sAth (hone par bhI) vibhAvarUp hotA nahI.n. aisA AtmA hai. aise AtmAko pahachAne to jinashAsan sakal dekhe khare. pUrA jinashAsan usame.n A jAtA hai.

jaisA AtmAkA svarUp hai, AtmA bandhA nahI.n hai, AtmA sparshit nahI.n huA hai, AtmA visheSharUp hotA nahI.n, AtmA anya-anya hotA nahI.n, AtmA vR^iddhi-hAnirUp hotA nahI.n. jaise agnike (sa.nyogase jal) uShNarUp hotA hai. vaise AtmA shItalarUp hai. vibhAvakI uShNatA usame.n nahI.n hai. sarva prakArase AtmAkA svarUp pahachAne. dravyako (pahachAne) aur mUl dravya par dR^iShTi kare aur paryAyakA svarUp sAthame.n pahachAne. vah jinashAsan sakal dekhe khare. aisA AtmAkA svarUp yathArthapane pahachAne, usame.n sab A jAtA hai. aisA sab honeke bAvajUd bhI svaya.n aisA abaddhaspR^iShTa hai.

usame.n AtA hai na? kamalinIkA patra hai, vah jalase nirlep hai. usake samIp jAkar dekhe to vah bandhA huA, sparshit huA dikhAI de. andar dekhe to bandhA huA, sparshit huA nahI.n hai. bhUtArtha dR^iShTise dekhe to bandhA huA, sparshit nahI.n huA hai. aur abhUtArthase dekhe to vah bandhA huA, sparshit huA dikhAI detA hai. isaliye use mUl vastu svarUpase dekh aur abhUtArtha dR^iShTise us rUp paryAyame.n hai, lekin dravyadR^iShTise us rUp nahI.n hai.

mumukShuH- aise AtmAkA anubhav kara.

samAdhAnaH- aise AtmAkA anubhav kara.

mumukShuH- vah jinashAsana.

samAdhAnaH- usame.n samasta jinashAsan A gayA. mUl vastuko jAnI to samasta jinashAsan (A gayA). pUrA muktikA mArga, svAnubhUti sab A gayA.

mumukShuH- .. munio.nko nahI.n mAn rahe hai.n, usakA javAb denA hame.n nahI.n AtA. dravyali.ngI mithyAdR^iShTi muni aur dravyali.ngI samyagdR^iShTi, isake bAreme.n Abap khulAsA kar de.nge to merI sha.nkA miT jAyegI.

samAdhAnaH- dravyali.ngI mithyAdR^iShTi muni aur samyagdR^iShTi dravyali.ngI muni to usame.n kyA pUChanA hai?

mumukShuH- jaise Ajake jo muni hai.n, hamako dikhe to hame.n va.ndanA karanA yA nahI.n

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karanA, kaise..?

mumukShuH- vah Apake Upar nirbhar hai. usakA tattva kyA hai vah... mumukShuH- sha.nkA jo hai, log bolate hai.n, hamako javAb denA nahI.n AtA. mumukShuH- bolane do, javAb kyo.n de? apanA adhikAr nahI.n hai javAb denekA, apaneko samajh lenA.

samAdhAnaH- ... mithyAdR^iShTi to AtmAko jAnatA hI nahI.n hai. sva-parakI ekatvabuddhi hai. AtmA bhinna hai, sharIr bhinna hai, vibhAv merA svabhAv nahI.n hai. sabame.n ekatvabuddhi mithyAdR^iShTiko ho rahI hai.

sachche muni to ChaThThe-sAtave.n guNasthAname.n jhulanevAle hai.n. a.ntarmuhUrta-a.ntarmuhUrtame.n svAnubhUti hotI hai. yathArtha muni ho to. usako svAnubhUti to hai nahI.n. mAtra bAharase veSh dhAraN kar liyA. aur vartamAname.n to pa.nch mahAvrat Adi jo shAstrame.n kahe hai.n, aisI kriyA bhI vartamAname.n to nahI.n hai. jo shAstrame.n (AtA hai ki) AhAr kaise lenA, aisI kriyA bhI bAharame.n nahI.n hai, vartamAn munime.n to.

pahale chaturtha kAlame.n dravyali.ngI muni to sab kriyA pAle, sab kare to bhI bhItarame.n to ekatvabuddhi ho rahI hai. shubhabhAvase merA kalyAN ho jAyagA, shubhabhAvame.n ruchi rahatI hai, aise muni hote hai.n to bhI vah muni to nahI.n hai. vAstavik munikI dashA nahI.n hai to vah muni nahI.n hai. aur samyagdR^iShTi muni dravyali.ngI bAharame.n vesh dhAraN kar liyA aur samyagdarshan ho gayA. to samyagdarshan to hai, parantu use munikI dashA nahI.n hai. munidashA nahI.n hai, bAharame.n vesh to hai, use munikI dashA nahI.n hai. usako samyagdarshan to huA hai. bAharame.n kaisA vyavahAr karanA vah to apane itanA samajhanA ki va.ndan vyavahAr kisako hotA hai? bhItarame.n yathArtha dashA pragaT huyI ho, use va.ndan vyavahAr hotA hai. sachche muniko ho sakatA hai.

mumukShuH- shAstro.nme.n bhI aisA AtA hai, bahinashrI! kahate hai.n na ki pa.nchamakAlake AkharI tak chaturvidh sa.ngh rahegA, to?

samAdhAnaH- AkhIr tak rahegA, parantu vartamAname.n to koI dikhAI nahI.n dete. vah to apaneko parIkShA karanI paDatI hai. vartamAname.n koI dikhAI nahI.n dete. hote hai.n, hote hai.n to kabhI-kabhI... koI hote ho to bhI vartamAname.n dikhAI nahI.n dete. aisA niShedh nahI.n hai. hote hai.n, koI muni hote hai.n, lekin vartamAname.n aiese dikhAI nahI.n dete. usame.n aisA koI kAl A jAtA hai to vartamAname.n muni dikhAI nahI.n dete. sachche muni nahI.n dikhAI dete. pahale ho gaye, sab AchArya ho gaye, parantu vartamAname.n koI dekhaneme.n nahI.n Ate. niShedh nahI.n hai, pa.nchamakAlake Akhir tak muni hote rahate hai.n, parantu bIchame.n koI

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bAr nahI.n bhI hote hai.n, vartamAname.n dikhAI nahI.n dete. mArga batAnevAle gurudev hue, unho.nne mArga sachchA batAyA. parantu muni to vartamAname.n koI dikhAI nahI.n dete. kahA.N ho, dikhAI nahI.n dete.

mumukShuH- ho sakate hai.n, lekin dekhaneme.n nahI.n Ate.

samAdhAnaH- vartamAn dekhaneme.n nahI.n Ate. vartamAn koI kAl aisA A jAtA hai. abhI dekhaneme.n nahI.n Ate. ho sakate hai.n. pa.nchamakAlake... hote hai.n.

mumukShuH- likhA huA hai vah bhI ThIk hai, parantu.. samAdAnaH- likA huA hai, barAbar hai. vartamAname.n koI-koI kAl aisA A jAtA hai. hote hai.n, nahI.n hote hai.n, hote hai.n, nahI.n hote hai.n. niShedh nahI.n hai.

mumukShuH- namostu..

samAdhAnaH- namostu lekin kisako karanA? sachche dev-guruko namaskAr karane hai.n na. bAharame.n veSh dhAraN kar liyA to kyA veShako namaskAr hotA hai? aShTapAhuDame.n kyA AtA hai? muni AchAryadev kahate hai.n, sachche muniko namaskAr hote hai.n. kaise karanA, nahI.n karanA, apane bhAv par AdhArit hai. lekin lAbh to sachche muniko namaskAr (karanese hotA hai). aShTapAhuD shAstrame.n kundakundAchArya likhate hai.n, sachche muniko namaskAr karanA. parIkShA karanA. parIkShA to karanI paDatI hai.

mumukShuko jisako mokShakI ichChA hove, jisako mokSha, apanA kalyAN karanA hai, usako sab parIkShA karake grahaN karanA chAhiye. binA parIkShA kiye,... mokShakA svarUp kaisA hai? AtmAkA svarUp samajhanA. yah sharIr merA nahI.n hai, vibhAvasvabhAv merA nahI.n hai. mai.n j~nAyak hU.N. yah sab vichAr karake parIkShA karake sab nakkI karatA hai. phir bAharame.n sachche dev, sachche guru, sachche shAstra, sabakI parIkShA kare. jisako mokShakI ichChA hove, vah parIkShA (karatA hai). itanA to kShayopasham milA hai. AtmArthI ho, AtmAkA prayojan ho to itanI parIkShA to ho sakatI hai.

mumukShuH- munikI ... AchAr koI bilakul pAlate nahI.n. jo aisA ho to .. A jAte hai.n. bAhya .. to parIkShAme.n kyA dikkat hai? ... usame.n kyA .. ek bhI sachche batAo.

mumukShuH- .. usako to muni mAne.nge ki nahI.n mAne.nge? mumukShuH- to usako praNAm nahI.n karanA chAhiye. jo bAhya AchAr ... ToDaramalajIne kahA hai, samAjame.n kuCh virodh nahI.n hove, isaliye koI dravyali.ngI muni dravyali.ngakA AchAr barAbar pAlate ho, to...

samAdhAnaH- .. apane Upar hai. bAharakI bAt hai na. kalyAN to apane svarUpako

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pahachAne tab hotA hai. mai.n j~nAyak hU.N, mai.n jAnanevAlA hU.N, yah sab merA svarUp nahI.n hai. shubhAshubh bhAvase mai.n bhinna hU.N. yah sharIr jaDatattva hai, mai.n jAnanevAlA AtmA hU.N. yah kaise samajhame.n Ave? usakI jij~nAsA, usakI ruchi sab honA chAhiye. ashubhabhAvase bachaneke liye shubhabhAv sachche dev-guru-shAstrakI mahimA AtI hai, parantu mujhe shuddhAtmA kaise khyAlame.n Ave? mai.n shuddhAtmAkA svarUp kaise pIChAnu.N? aisI pratIt, aisA j~nAn (karanA).

samyagdarshan AtmAme.n hotA hai, samyagj~nAn AtmAme.n hotA hai, samyakachAritra AtmAme.n hotA hai. sab AtmAme.n hotA hai. bAharase kuCh nahI.n hotA, sab AtmAme.n hotA hai. sAthame.n shubhabhAvakA vyavahAr hotA hai. pa.nch mahAvrat, aNuvrat sab shubhabhAv hote hai.n. bhItarame.n chAritra to svarUpame.n svAnubhUti hove tab chAritra hotA hai. samyagdarshan, svarUpakI shraddhA, j~nAn sab AtmAke Ashrayame.n hotA hai. usakI ruchi, jij~nAsA, bhAvanA sab karanA. usakI ruchi, tattvakA vichAr Adi sab karanA. aise bhavakA abhAv ho sakatA hai. phir bAhar kyA karanA, nahI.n karanA, vah sab samajhame.n A jAyegA. pahale bhavakA abhAv kaise ho, usakI laganI lagAnI. tattvakA vichAr karanA. yah sab to bAharakA hai. praNAm, nahI.n praNAm sab bAharakA hai.

mumukShuH- .. samajhame.n A jAyagA to yah apaneAp ..

samAdhAnaH- A jAyagA, sab A jAyagA. usako vichAr karanA chAhiye.

mumukShuH- ... vah to sochanA chAhiye na.

samAdhAnaH- .. to vichAr karanA chAhiye. aisA paDhaneme.n AyA, mokShamArga prakAshakame.n sab AtA hai. gurudevane bahut samajhAyA hai. sabakA vichAr karake nakkI karanA.

mumukShuH- dravyali.ngI jaise mithyAdR^iShTi hotA hai, bahinashrI! to samyagdR^iShTi bhI ho sakatA hai kyA?

samAdhAnaH- samyagdR^iShTi ho sakatA hai, lekin vartamAname.n aisA nahI.n hai. dravyali.ngI samyagdR^iShTi hote hai.n.

mumukShuH- samyagdR^iShTi dravyali.ngake sAthame.n hotA nahI.n hai..

samAdhAnaH- .. sab kriyA karate hai.n bAharakI.

mumukShuH- ChaThThe-sAtave.n guNasthAnavAle munirAj bhI hAthame.n hI lete hai.n?

samAdhAnaH- hAthame.n lete hai.n. bhItarakI dashA koI usakI adbhut rahatI hai. dashA adbhut rahatI hai. muni to hAthame.n AhAr lete hai.n. bAhar hAthame.n AhAr liyA isaliye bhItarame.n aisI dashA ho gayI, aisA nahI.n hotA. vah to koI ajab hote hai.n, bhAvali.ngI muni to. ChaThThe-sAtave.n guNasthAname.n sharIr kahA.N hai? AtmA kahA.N hai? bhItarame.n chale jAte hai.n, a.ntarmuhUrta-a.ntarmuhUrtame.n. chalate-chalate bhI bhItarame.n chale jAte hai.n. AhAr lete-lete nirvikalpa

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ho jAte hai.n. nirvikalpa dashA ho jAtI hai.

mumukShuH- yah to bhAvali.ngIko, aur dravyali.ngIko?

mumukShuH- mithyAdR^iShTi hove to kuCh nahI.n.

mumukShuH- aur samyagdR^iShTi hove to?

samAdhAnaH- samyagdR^iShTiko kShaN-kShaName.n (nirvikalpatA nahI.n hotI). muniko to kShaN- kShaName.n hotI hai. aisI dashA hai. kShaN-kShaName.n muniko svAnubhUti hotI hai. samyagdR^iShTiko koI bAr hotI hai, koI-koI bAr samyagdR^iShTiko hotI hai. ye to kShaN-kShaName.n chalate-chalate, khAte-pIte, nidrA thoDI lete hai.n, phir nidrAme.n jAge to svAnubhUtime.n. kShaName.n svAnubhUti (hotI hai). aisI munikI dashA hotI hai.

yah (bAharakI) to shubhabhAvakI kriyA hai. ashubhabhAv ChoDakar tyAg le liyA. tyAg lekar aise pachchakhAN le liyA ki aise AhAr lenA. vah shubhabhAvakI kriyA hai. lekin bhItarakI dashA koI kuCh alag hai. vah to shubhabhAvakI kriyA hai. jaise koI upavAs kar lete hai.n, koI tyAg karatA hai. vaise munikI kriyA dhAraN kar le. hAthame.n AhAr liyA, tyAg kar diyA ki mai.n aise AhAr nahI.n lU.NgA, aise AhAr lU.NgA. vah sab to bAharakI kriyA hai. kriyA hai, isaliye bhItarame.n dashA ho gayI aisA to nahI.n hai.

(gR^ihasthAshramame.n) bhI samyagdarshan to hotA hai. chakravartIko bhI hotA hai. .. vah to koI ajab hotI hai. aise muni nahI.n ho sakate.