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mumukShuH- .. j~nAn honekA ek hI samay hai?

samAdhAnaH- dono.nkA ek hI samay hai. Asravako nivR^itti aur j~nAnaghan AtmAkA honA, dono.n ekasAth hI hotA hai. Asrav nivR^itte usakA matalab kuCh pragaT hotA hai. yahA.N j~nAnaghan AtmA j~nAyak ho, isaliye vahA.Nse Asrav nivR^itta hote hai.n. dono.n ekasAth hI hotA hai. usame.n koI kram nahI.n paDatA hai. AsravokI nivR^itti aur AtmAkI pragaTatA, dono.n ekasAth hI hai. usame.n kram nahI.n paDatA hai. pahale Asrav nivR^itta ho usake bAd j~nAn ho, aisA nahI.n hai. is or nivR^itta huA, yahA.N j~nAn hotA hai. j~nAnaghan AtmA pragaT hotA hai aur Asravase nivR^itta hotA hai, dono.n ek hI samayame.n hotA hai. ek hI kShaName.n. yahA.N astime.n svaya.n pragaT hotA hai aur us or nAstime.n Asravase nivR^itta hotA hai.

mumukShuH- mithyAtva aur anantAnubandhike viShayame.n kuCh..

samAdhAnaH- mithyAtva arthAt usakI dR^iShTi jUThI hai. parapadArthake sAth ekatvabuddhi kar rahA hai. par sharIr so mai.n aur mai.n so sharIr, aisI bhrAnti andar hai. yah vikalpa hote hai.n, vah bhI mere hai.n (aisI) ekatvabuddhi (hai). svaya.n bhinna hai, usakA kuCh bhAn nahI.n hai. vah mithyAtva hai. vah a.ntarame.n pariNatime.n usakA mithyAtva hai.

aur anantAnubandhi kaShAy use itanA tIv ho ki use AtmA orakI ruchi nahI.n ho, AtmAkI bAt kare to ruche nahI.n, aisA. AtmAkI aruchi, us prakArakA krodh, us prakArakA mAn, us prakArakI mAyA, vah anantAnubandhi kaShAy hai. aur bAharame.n use mithyAtvame.n jUThe dev-guru-shAstrako grahaN kare to vah bhI mithyAtva hai. vah grahit mithyAtva hai. aur yah andarakA mithyAtva hai.

jUThe dev ki jisako vItarAgatA pragaT nahI.n huyI hai use dev mAne. jo AtmAkI sAdhanA nahI.n karate hai.n usako guru mAne. jis shAstrame.n AtmAkI bAt nahI.n AtI hai, aise shAstrako mAne. vItarAgI shAstra, vItarAg guru, vItarAg dev hone chAhiye. anya- anya dev mAne, anya guru mAne, anya shAstra mAne to vah gR^ihit mithyAtva hai.

mumukShuH- sa.npradAyakI mithyAtvakI samajh..

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samAdhAnaH- mithyAtva isI prakArakA hai. mithyAtva to ek hI prakArakA hai. jUThI bhrAnti. jUThe dev-guru-shAstrako mAne aur a.ntarame.n sharIrake sAth ekatvabuddhi vah bhI mithyAtva hai. vibhAvake sAth (ekatvabuddhi). usakI samajhan bhinna-bhinna nahI.n hai. vah to koI artha alag kare, samajhan alag (hotI hai).

mumukShuH- sa.npradAyame.n aisA hai ki ... Apako shivako nahI.n mAno to vah mithyAtva hai.

samAdhAnaH- vah svaya.nko vichAranA chAhiye ki satya kyA hai? sab sa.npradAyavAle alag-alag kahe. sachche dev, sachche guru kaun hai usakA svaya.nko vichAr karanA paDatA hai. jise AtmAkI jij~nAsA ho vah svaya.n hI vichAr kar letA hai ki sachche dev, sachche guru, sachche shAstra kise kahate hai.n. vah svaya.nko hI vichAranA paDatA hai. sab sa.npradAyavAle to.. jahA.N svaya.n janma dhAraN karatA hai, jIv jahA.N janma dhAraN karatA hai vahA.N svaya.n apanA mAn letA hai ki is dharmame.n mai.nne janma liyA hai isaliye yah merA satya hai. aur us dharmame.n aisA Aye ki kR^iShNako mAno, shivako mAno, isako na mAno, vah to mithyAtva hai. sab sa.npradAyavAle aisA kahe to svaya.nko vichAr karake nakkI karanA paDatA hai ki satya kyA hai? vah to nakkI karanA paDatA hai.

mumukShuH- Apta puruShane kahA huA vachan mAnanA, to Apta puruSh kise mAnanA?

samAdhAnaH- Apta kaun hai, vah svaya.nko nakkI karanA paDatA hai. shrImadame.n AtA hai na? ki jij~nAsuke netra satpuruShako pahachAn lete hai.n. usakA hR^iday us prakArakA ho jAtA hai ki satya kyA hai, aisI a.ntarame.nse use jij~nAsA pragaT hotI hai ki satya kyA hai? sachche guru kaun hai? vah svaya.n hI unakI vANI parase, unakI vANIkA kahA.N jor AtA hai? unakA amuk prakArake parichayase nakkI kar letA hai ki yahI sachche dev hai.n.

mumukShuH- jise ruchi hogI vahI Apta puruShako pahachAn sakegA na? jo mithyAtva hai vah pahachAn sakatA hai?

samAdhAnaH- mithyAtvI ho to bhI jo jij~nAsu hotA hai, satakA jij~nAsu ho, bhale mithyAtva hai use, parantu jise satya samajhanekI ruchi hai ki mujhe satya kahA.N prApta hogA? satako khojanevAlA, bhale use ekatvabuddhi hai, parantu andarase use jij~nAsA huyI hai ki mujhe satyA kahA.N prApta hogA? vah satyakI parIkShA karanevAlA jo hai vah pahachAn sakatA hai. mithyAtva ho to bhI satpuruShako pahachAn sakatA hai ki yah satpuruSh hai. usakI hR^idayakI pAtratA aisI ho jAtI hai ki vah satpuruShako pahachAn letA hai. lekin utanI pAtratA taiyAr honI chAhiye.

mumukShuH- .. kahA hai ki banArasIdAsajI jahA.N bhUl karate hai.n vah ham samajh sakate

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hai.n. unho.nne bhUl batAyI nahI.n hai.

samAdhAnaH- samyagdarshaname.n unhe.n bhUl nahI.n huyI hai, pahale bhUl huyI hai. pahale bhUl huyI hai. pahale kriyAme.n chaDh gaye, phir shuShka ho gaye, ataH pahale bhUl huyI hai, bAdame.n nahI.n huyI hai. pahale-pahale sab bhUl kI hai. pahale bhUl huyI hai.

mumukShuH- ...

samAdhAnaH- mUl tattvame.n usakI bhUl nahI.n hotI, vastukI samajhame.n bhUl nahI.n hotI. usakI asthiratA ho, rAg Ave to asthiratA hai. usakI tattvakI samajhame.n bhUl nahI.n hotI.

mumukShuH- usame.n to bhUl hotI hI nahI.n.

samAdhAnaH- nahI.n, samajhame.n bhUl nahI.n hotI. use asthiratA hotI hai.

mumukShuH- us samay nAsamajh ho sakatI hai?

samAdhAnaH- nAsamajh nahI.n hotI. use rAg ho vah jAnatA hai ki mujhe rAg hotA hai, mere puruShArthakI mandatA hai. andar khed hotA hai ki mai.n gR^ihasthAshramame.n hU.N, mujhe is prakArakA rAg-dveSh Adi hotA hai. lekin yah merA svarUp nahI.n hai, mai.n usase bhinna hU.N.

mumukShuH- tattvame.n bhUl nahI.n karate.

samAdhAnaH- tattvame.n bhUl nahI.n hotI. rAg hotA hai. rAg bhI maryAdA ChoDakar rAg nahI.n hotA hai.

mumukShuH- kyo.nki kShaN-kShaName.n ruchi to badalatI rahatI hai. ... jo lakShya huA hai vah nahI.n badalatA. dR^iShTi nahI.n badalatI.

samAdhAnaH- dR^iShTi nahI.n badalatI. andar j~nAyakako pahachAnA vah nahI.n badalatA.

mumukShuH- samakitI ho vah laDAIme.n jAy aur laDAI bhI karatA ho. us vakta use hi.nsA bhI karanI paDe.

samAdhAnaH- lekin usakI dR^iShTi nahI.n badalatI. use aisA hotA hai ki arere..! mai.n isame.n-rAjame.n baiThA hU.N isaliye is kAryamee.n juDanA paDatA hai. to vah anItise kuCh nahI.n karatA hai. mujhe rAjakA rAg hai, isaliye mujhe hi.nsAme.n juDanA paDatA hai. mujhe is rAjakA rAg ChUT jAy to...

mumukShuH- hi.nsAme.n juDatA hai?

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, samyagdR^iShTi aise kAryame.n juDatA hai. samyagdR^iShTi rAjA hotA hai, samyagdR^iShTi rAjA hotA hai. aise kAryame.n juDatA hai. lekin use khed (hotA hai).

mumukShuH- mare hueko mAratA hU.N, mAnase use aisA nahI.n kahe. merA doSh hai aisA

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kahe. mare hueko mAratA hU.N...

samAdhAnaH- merA doSh hai, aisA mAnatA hai. merI asthiratA hai ki mai.n ChUT nahI.n sakatA hU.N. mujhe rAjakA rAg hai. yadi abhI yah rAj ChoD dU.N to sab ChUT jAya. mai.n isame.n juDatA hU.N, yah merA svarUp nahI.n hai. mujhe juDanA paDatA hai.

mumukShuH- ... kitanI aisI kShaN AtI hai ki jab ... tattvase dUr jAnA paDatA hai.

samAdhAnaH- tattvase dUr nahI.n jAtA hai. use asthiratA hai. tattvase dUr nahI.n jAtA. koI use aisA kahe ki terA j~nAyak AtmA bhinna nahI.n hai, sharIr aur AtmA ek hai, aisA tU bol, to aisA vah nahI.n kahate. AkAsh-pAtAl ek hA jAy bhI nahI.n kahe.

mumukShuH- samakit honeke bAd vah bhUl jAtA hai?

samAdhAnaH- nahI.n, bhUlatA nahI.n.

mumukShuH- to samayasArame.n hI AtA hai.

samAdhAnaH- puruShArthakI mandatA ho to bhUl jAy, vah to bhUl gayA kahaneme.n AtA hai. parantu samyagdarshaname.n puruShArthakI dhArA hotI hai vah apratihat dhArAse bhUlatA nahI.n, bhUlatA nahI.n. chyUt ho jAy usakI (bAt alag hai).

mumukShuH- samyagdarshan sthir rahatA hai?

samAdhAnaH- sthir rahatA hai, koI chyUt ho jAy usakI bAt nahI.n hai. vah to chyUt ho jAtA hai. koI chyUt ho jAya.

mumukShuH- samayasArame.n ek aisI gAthA hai...

samAdhAnaH- .. hA.N, vah hai. ... dhArAse uThA huA.. usame.n koI chyUt ho jAtA hai.

mumukShuH- adhiShThAn ek hai, vah mujhe nahI.n baiThatA nahI.n thA. vedAntame.n ek adhiShThAn kahate hai.n. ChaH dravya paDhA to ek adhiShThAn...? vah nahI.n baiThA.

samAdhAnaH- .. koI hotA hI nahI.n, svaya.n hI hai svata.ntra.

mumukShuH- ... svata.ntra hai. koI..

samAdhAnaH- svaya.n svaya.nkA AdhAr hai. koI kisIkA adhiShThAn nahI.n hai. svaya.n svata.ntra hai, jaisA karanA ho.

mumukShuH- isIlIye jIvako svata.ntra banAnA hai. abhI jo sa.nyogIbhAvame.n hai, use svata.ntra banAnA hai.

samAdhAnaH- vibhAvaparyAyame.n svata.ntra hai. jahA.N svaya.nkI pariNati karanI ho, vahA.N svata.ntra

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hai. nimitta hotA hai, parantu svaya.n juDe to hotA hai. nimitta yah nahI.n kahatA hai ki tU jabaran usame.n rAg kar yA isame.n dveSh kara. bAharake shabda nahI.n kahate hai.n ki tU shabda sUn yA tU shabda sunakar rAg kar yA dveSh kara. aisA vah koI nahI.n kahate hai.n. shabda nahI.n kahate hai.n, svaya.n juDatA hai. tU vApas muD jA to jabaran tujhe koI nahI.n kahatA hai.

mumukShuH- puruShArthakA paDhA vah mujhe bahut yAd AtA hai ki AtmA svaya.n .. hue binA, bhAvyakA bhAvak hue binA dUrase hI vApas muD jAtA hai.

samAdhAnaH- dUrase vApas muD jAtA hai. samayasArame.n AtA hai. dUsare vApas muD jAtA hai.

mumukShuH- .. vahA.N puruShArthake darshan hote hai.n.

samAdhAnaH- dUrase, andar vibhAvame.n juDe binA dUrase vApas muD jAtA hai.

mumukShuH- vah vAkya mujhe itanA pasanda A gayA....

samAdhAnaH- .. j~nAyak svaya.n svata.ntra, svaya.n puruShArtha karake dUsare vApas muDatA hai. sab apane hAthakI bAt hai. svaya.n jitanA karatA nahI.n hai, vah apanA pramAd hai. svaya.n kare to apane hAthakI bAt hai. karma to nimitta hai. nimitta use rokatA nahI.n hai. nimitta use rokatA nahI.n hai aur nimitta kuCh kahatA bhI nahI.n hai ki tU juD jA.

mumukShuH- AtmA anAtmA yAnI jaD Upar koI prabhAv DAl sakatA hai?

samAdhAnaH- par Upar koI prabhAv DAl nahI.n sakatA.

mumukShuH- jo arihanta, kevalaj~nAnI hote hai.n unakI saumyamUrtise unakA bAhya AkAr bhI saumya ho jAtA hai, vah kaise?

samAdhAnaH- ve svaya.n andar vItarAg ho gaye, isaliye unakA sharIr bhI us prakArake rajakaN svata.ntra pariNamate hai.n.

mumukShuH- ska.ndh us prakArake bandhate ho.nge?

samAdhAnaH- nahI.n, usake paramANu vaise badal jAte hai.n, svata.ntra. prabhAv nahI.n paDatA hai, svata.ntra apaneAp ho jAtA hai. aisA sambandha hai ki...

mumukShuH- ekakShetrAvagAhI isaliye?

samAdhAnaH- ek kShetrame.n rahate hai.n. svaya.n andar upashamabhAv kare, upashamabhAv ho gayA isaliye shAnta pariNAm ho gaye. jaise koI manuShya krodh kare to usakI mudrAme.n krodh dikhatA hai. shA.nt manuShyakI shA.nt dikhatI hai. vah krodh aur shAnti alag rahate hai. parantu yah to kudaratI ekakShetrAvagAh ekasAth rahe hai.n, isaliye aisA nimitta-naimittik sambandha hai.

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mumukShuH- paramANuko athavA pudagal svaya.nko arpaN karate hai.n. aur AtmA dekhatA- jAnatA hai. to rajakaN kevaladarshanIko kaisA arpaN karanA...

samAdhAnaH- .. aisA usakA j~nAn hotA hai, vaisA usakA j~ney hotA hai. jaisA j~ney hotA hai, vaisA j~nAn hotA hai. vah to sambandha hI hotA hai. use arpaN nahI.n karatA. darpaName.n pratibi.nb dikhate hai.n. us pratibi.nbarUp darpaN svaya.n pariNamatA hai. pratibi.nb andar pravesh nahI.n karate, darpaNake andar pravesh nahI.n karate.

mumukShuH- vah darpaNakI svachChatA hai.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, vah darpaNakI svachChatA hai. vaise j~nAnakI svachChatA hai ki jaisA j~ney ho vaise j~nAn pariNamatA hai. j~nAn pariNamatA hai. vah bAhya j~ney Akar andar kuCh nahI.n karatA hai. aur j~nAn vahA.N jAkar, darpaN bAhar pratibi.nbame.n jAkar kuCh nahI.n karatA hai, vaise j~nAn bAhar jAkar j~neyo.nko kuCh nahI.n karatA hai.

mumukShuH- kevalio.nkI vANI aisI hotI hai ki ve kahe vaisA hI bane. to vANI to pudagal hai, to usame.n aisI kaisI shakti AyI?

samAdhAnaH- vANI to pudagal hai. parantu jaisA vastukA svarUp hai, vaisI vANI nikalatI hai. dUrase, jaise chu.nbak hotA hai, vah chu.nbak sUIko nahI.n kahatA hai ki tU yahA.N A. aur vah sUIko khI.Nchane bhI nahI.n jAtA. aur sUI svata.ntra AtI hai. aisA nimitta-naimittik sambandha jagatame.n pudagalo.nke (bIch hotA hai). aisA nimitta-naimittik sambandha hai.

mumukShuH- lekin vah sambandha nahI.n hai.

samAdhAnaH- vah kuCh karatA nahI.n hai. chu.nbak sUIko kuCh karane nahI.n jAtA hai aur sUI chu.nbakake kAraN khI.NchI nahI.n AtI. usakA svabhAv hI aisA hai. jahA.N chu.nbak ho vahA.N sUI Aye. bas, aisA sambandha hI hai. svata.ntra pariNaman hai.

mumukShuH- ...

samAdhAnaH- bhinna dravya na rahe, yadi usakA prabhAv paDatA ho to.

mumukShuH- ... achChI aspatAl ho to mai.n aspatAl ban jAU.N. merI aspatAl,.. mai.n aspatAl ban gayA.

samAdhAnaH- aspatAl par prabhAv nahI.n paDatA.

mumukShuH- prabhAv paDe to vah, vah ban jAya. to tIrtha.nkar sharIr ban jAya. tIrtha.nkarane paramANuko saumyA banAyA ho to..

mumukShuH- prabhAvakA artha aisA nahI.n kar sakate, mAno ham log baiThe hai.n aur usame.n AtmA hI vaise pariNamatA hai. usame.n to usako AtmAko kuCh nahI.n hai, parantu

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svaya.nkA AtmA svaya.n vaise pariName. use prabhAv lage hI.

samAdhAnaH- svaya.n pariNamatA hai. svaya.n prabhAvako grahaN karatA hai.

mumukShuH- kyo.nki aisA to bahut jagah dekhate hai.n ki kisIke prabhAvame.n A jAte hai.n.

samAdhAnaH- gurudevakI vANI aisI thI ki sunanevAle ekadam sthir ho jAy aur Ashcharyachakit ho jAte. lekin svaya.nkI aisI lAyakatA hotI hai. vANI nimitta aur andar AtmAkI yogyatA, dono.nkA sambandha hai.

muumukShuH- bahut log kahate hai.n, mai.nne to nahI.n dekhe hai.n, parantu gurudevake pAs baiThe.n aur unakI vANI sune to usakA kuCh alag hI prabhAv paDatA.

mumukShuH- koI virodh bhI karate the.

samAdhAnaH- virodh karanevAle bhI the, virodh karate the. mu.nbaIme.n kitanI baDI janasa.nkhyAme.n gurudev pravachan karate the. sab Ashcharyachakit ho jAte the ki kuCh AtmAkI bAt karate hai.n. parantu jIvo.nkI aisI lAyakAt hotI hai.

mumukShuH- mai.nne kahA vah barAbar hai? ki sAmanevAlA AtmA vaise pariNamatA hai.

samAdhAnaH- AtmA pariNamatA hai. prabhAv nahI.n, AtmA us nimittako prApta karake AtmA svaya.n pariNamatA hai.

mumukShuH- kyo.nki mai.nne is prakArakA aisA samAdhAn khoj liyA ki aise..

samAdhAnaH- bane... to chAval, anAj Adi pake. lekin chAval svaya.n pakate hai.n. agni nimitta hai. agni kuCh nahI.n karatI, usakI yogyatA hai isaliye hotA hai. jis mu.Ngame.n namI na ho, vah agni mile to bhI pakate nahI.n. vah vaisA hI rahatA hai. isaliye jo koI aise AtmA ho use aise gurukA nimitta mile to bhI ve pakate nahI.n. parantu jo aise naram hote hai.n, vah agnikA nimitta pAkar mu.Ng Adi pak jAte hai.n.

vaise pAtra AtmA ho use gurukI vANI mile vahA.N aise pak jAte hai.n, pariNamit ho jAte hai.n. lekin koI uparokta mu.Ng jaise ho, use kuCh.. abhavya jaise ho use koI asar hI nahI.n hotI.