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samAdhAnaH- ... usane ek j~nAyakako grahaN kiyA hai, AtmAko grahaN kiyA hai. aise vichArase, buddhise nakkI kare (aise nahI.n). a.ntarame.n mai.n jAnanevAlA hI hU.N, aise j~nAyakako svaya.nne a.ntarame.nse grahaN kiyA hai. use grahaN karake, us par shraddhA-pratIt karake usame.n vah lIn hotA hai-usame.n sthir hotA hai. isaliye bAhya dR^iShTi ChUTakar vah a.ntarame.n lIn hotA hai. bAharase upayog a.ntarame.n (le jAtA hai). dR^iShTi to j~nAyak par hai. upayog bAhar jAy to bhI usakI dR^iShTi to j~nAyak par rahatI hai. parantu upayog bhI bAhar jAtA ho use sthir karaneke liye vah j~nAyakame.n lIn hotA hai. anya koI vikalpame.n lIn hotA hai, aisA nahI.n. bIchame.n vikalpa Aye, pa.nch parameShThIkA vikalpa Aye, dravya-guN- paryAyake vichAr Aye vah alag, vah shubhabhAv hai. parantu a.ntarame.n j~nAyakame.n lIn hotA hai. bAra.nbAr j~nAyakame.n lIn hotA hai, j~nAyakakA dhyAn karatA hai.

mumukShuH- vah savikalpa dhyAn hai?

samAdhAnaH- bhale savikalpa ho, parantu j~nAyakako grahaN karake dhyAn hai. vikalpa usame.n gauN hotA hai aur j~nAyakame.n lIn hotA hai.

mumukShuH- usame.nse nirvikalpa kaise hotA hai?

samAdhAnaH- j~nAyakame.n lIn hote-hote, jo-jo pariNAm vikalpa Aye usase mai.n bhinna hU.N, mai.n j~nAyak hU.N, aise j~nAyakame.n lIn hote-hote use ugratA tIvra ho to vikalpa ChUTate hai.n. ugratA ho to.

mumukShuH- kahate hai.n ki mai.n baddha hU.N aur abaddha hU.N, vah bhI vikalpa hai?

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, vah bhI vikalpa hai.

mumukShuH- to phir savikalpame.nse nirvikalpame.n jAnA kaise?

samAdhAnaH- use vikalpa hai ki mai.n baddha hU.N-bandhA hU.N, parantu abaddha hU.N, vah bhI nayakA vikalpa hai. vah vikalpa yAnI rAg hai ki mai.n abaddha hU.N, abaddha hU.N. us vikalpa parase dR^iShTi uThAkar, upayog uThAkar mai.n jo hU.N so hU.N, vikalpa nahI.n. chaitanyakA astitva hai vahI mai.n hU.N. ek merA astitva j~nAyak vahI mai.n hU.N. aise vikalpako gauN karake j~nAyakako grahaN kare. bAra.nbAr usame.n lIn ho to usake vikalpa ChUTe.

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ek j~nAnasvabhAvako, aisA AtA hai na? ek j~nAnasvabhAvako grahaN karake, nishchay karake. mai.n yah j~nAnasvabhAv hI hU.N, mai.n j~nAn hI hU.N, aisA nakkI karake bAdame.n mati- shrutakA upayog, j~nAnakA upayog jo bAhar jAtA hai use bhI a.ntarame.n lAkar usame.n sthir ho to vikalpa ChUT jAya. lekin sthir honA, sachche j~nAn binA sachchA dhyAn nahI.n ho sakatA. usakA j~nAn sachchA ho, j~nAn samyak ho to usakA dhyAn sachchA ho. j~nAn sachchA ho to sachchA dhyAn ho. yadi usake j~nAname.n bhUl ho to, j~nAyakako grahaN nahI.n kiyA ho to kahA.N sthir khaDA rahegA? vikalpame.n sthir khaDA rahegA, j~nAyakako grahaN nahI.n kiyA ho to. j~nAyakake astitvako grahaN kiyA ho to usame.n usakI sthiratA jamatI hai, nahI.n to vikalpame.n sthiratA jamatI hai. phir dhyAn kare aur vikalpa manda ho jAy to use aisA lagatA hai ki vikalpa ChUT gaye. vikalpa sUkShma ho gaye. lekin j~nAyakako grahaN kare to sachchA dhyAn hotA hai.

mumukShuH- us vakta jo jaD prAN hai, vah lIn hote hai, usakI gati bhI aisI ho jAtI hai.

samAdhAnaH- prAN to bAhar rah jAte hai.n. lekin a.ntarame.n j~nAyak chaitanyako grahaN kare phir prAN kahA.N gaye, usakA use dhyAn nahI.n hai. prAN kyA, shvAsoshvAs hai yA kyA hai, us or usakA dhyAn bhI nahI.n hai.

mumukShuH- usakA na jAy, oTomeTik prAN lIn hote hai.n aur ...

samAdhAnaH- vah bAharase hotA hogA ki bAharase usake prANI alag prakArase gati karate ho. lekin a.ntarame.n to use aisA hI hai ki mai.n mere j~nAyak lIn ho jAU.n, basa. us jaD prANakI or kyA hotA hai, usakA dhyAn nahI.n hotA.

mumukShuH- aisA hotA hogA kyA?

samAdhAnaH- kuCh AtA hai, AtA hai, shAstrame.n AtA hai. usake prAN Uparase jAte hai.n, aisA AtA hai.

mumukShuH- jo bahir prAN hote hai.n, usame.n ... jAtA hai.

samAdhAnaH- lekin usake shvasoshvAs banda nahI.n ho jAte. usakI gati alag ho jAtI hai, gati alag ho jAtI hai.

mumukShuH- kyo.nki jaD prANo.nse ChUTaneke liye yah sab prayatna hai na?

samAdhAnaH- jaD prANo.nse ChUTaneke liye..

mumukShuH- jaD prAN karmake kAraN hai.n.

samAdhAnaH- bhale usase ChUTanekA prayatna hai, parantu usakA prayatna j~nAyakako grahaN karanekA hai.

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mumukShuH- mukhya to vahI hai.

samAdhAnaH- kyo.nki jaD prANo.nse ChUT jAU.N, ChUT jAU.N aisA kare parantu a.ntarame.n svaya.nko grahaN nahI.n kiyA ho to kahA.Nse (ChUTe)? aisA dhyAn jIv bahut bAr karatA hai. aisA dhyAn kare ki bAharase kuCh bhI ho to use mAlUm nahI.n paDe. prAN rok le, shvAsoshvAs rok le, aisA sab kare, parantu andar j~nAyak grahaN nahI.n huA ho to vah dhyAn kaisA? AtA hai na?

yam niyam sa.nyam Ap kiyo, puni tyAg virAg athAg lahyo, jap bhed jape tap tyo.nhI tapai, Urase hI udAsI lahI sabase.

sab kare. maun rahA, dhyAn kiyA, .. kare, bAharase sab tha.Nbh jAy aisA kare. andar j~nAyakako grahaN na kiyA ho to... usame.n AtA hai, kuCh aur rahA un sAdhanase. usake sAdhaname.n kuCh alag hI hai. andar chaitanyako grahaN nahI.n kiyA ho to bAharase sab dhyAn to kare, parantu a.ntarame.n grahaN kare to hotA hai. aisA dhyAn jIvane bahut bAr kiyA. upavAs kiye, tyAg kiyA, yam kiyA, niyam pAle, parantu guru batAte hai.n ki andar tU tere AtmAko grahaN karake dhyAn kara.

mumukShuH- isIliye to mai.nne kahA na ki, jo a.ntarAtmA huA hai usakA dhyAn is prakArakA hotA hai?

samAdhAnaH- usakA dhyAn AtmAko grahaN karake, j~nAyakako grahaN karake, chaitanyako (grahaN karake hotA hai). use chaitanya andarase apanA astitva grahaN hotA hai. yah sharIr use grahaN nahI.n hotA, shvAsoshvAs nahI.n, A.Nkh nahI.n, sunanA nahI.n, us or kahI.n upayog nahI.n hai. vikalpakI or upayog hai use svaya.n bhinna karake ek j~nAyakakI or jAya. bas, ek chaitanya. chaitanyake alAvA kuCh nahI.n. mai.n ek AtmA j~nAyaka. usakA svabhAv grahaN kare.

vikalpase raTaN karatA rahe, mai.n j~nAyak.. j~nAyak.. j~nAyaka. aise to vikalpa hotA hai. parantu vastu jo padArtha hai, us padArthako grahaN karake dhyAn kare to hotA hai. sabase bhedaj~nAn kare, mai.n yah nahI.n hU.N, mai.n sharIr nahI.n hU.N, mai.n vikalpa nahI.n hU.N, yah rAgayukta vikalpa mere nahI.n hai. jo-jo shubhabhAv, shubhabhAvake vikalpa Aye vah bhI merA svarUp nahI.n hai. un sabase mai.n bhinna (hU.N). bhinna hU.N, aisA vikalpa kare lekin mai.n bhinna kaisA? kaunasI vastu hai? ki mai.n yah vastu hU.N. yah mai.n jAnanevAlA sabake bIch rahanevAlA. yah sab jaD hai. yah vikalpa Aye, mere puruShArthakI mandatAse vikalpa Aye parantu vah merA svarUp nahI.n hai. vah to vikalpakI jAl hai. usase bhI mai.n nirAkul svarUp jAnanevAlA, sabako jAnanevAlA so mai.n hU.N. vah jAnanevAlA sabako jAnanevAlA aise nahI.n, parantu andar

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jo svaya.n jAnanevAlA hai. sabako jAnA isaliye jAnanevAlA nahI.n, parantu svaya.n usakA svarUp hI jAnanekA hai. jaise yah jaDa. vah svaya.n jAnanevAlA hai. vah jAnanamAtra nahI.n, parantu ananta adabhut svarUpase bharA hai vah mai.n hU.N. aise svaya.nko vikalpase nahI.n, apitu svabhAvase grahaN kare. guD shabda nahI.n, shakkar shabda nahI.n parantu us vastuko grahaN kare. use grahaN karake usakA dhyAn kare, usame.n ekAgra ho to hotA hai. lekin usakI shraddhA, sachchI pratIt pahale ho, nishchay kare to dhyAn hotA hai.

samAdhAnaH- .. dhyAnakA phal andar AtmAkI prApti ho, svAnubhUtikI prApta ho.

mumukShuH- usase nirjarA hotI hai?

samAdhAnaH- nirjarA to hotI hai, karmakI nirjarA hotI hai aur andar svAnubhUtikA phal Ave, andar AtmAkI prApti ho. AtmA jo adabhut svarUpase virAjatA hai usakI use anubhUti ho. aur karmakI nirjarA ho, karmakI nirjarA ho. parantu vah abhI thoDI nirjarA hotI hai, pUrI nirjarA to kevalaj~nAn ho tab hotI hai. lekin sachchI nirjarA to use svAnubhUti ho tab hI hotI hai. bAkI ananta kAlase jo nirjarA hotI hai, vah sab to bandhan hotA hai aur nirjarA hotI hai, bandhan hotA hai aur nirjarA hotI hai, vah sachchI nirjarA nahI.n hai. andar AtmAko grahaN kare to sachchI nirjarA hotI hai.

mumukShuH- jIv janmatA hai aur maratA hai, R^iShAnubandhase ikaTThe hote hai.n, vah kaise hotA hai?

samAdhAnaH- janma-maraN hote hai.n vah usake karmake kAraNa. jaise usane karma bAndhe hote hai.n, vaisI gati hotI hai. aur AyuShya bAndhA ho usakA maraN hotA hai. kisIko pUrvakA sambandha hotA hai, to koI pUrvame.n ho to ikaTThe hote hai.n aur koI ikaTThe nahI.n bhI hote. unake pariNAmakA mel Ave to vah R^iShAnubandha (hotA hai). pariNAmakA mel Ave to ikaTThe hote hai.n. yadi pariNAmakA mel na ho to ikaTThe nahI.n hote. kyo.nki kisIkA pariNAm devalokame.n jAy aise ho, kisIke pariNAm tirya.nchame.n jAy aise ho, kuTumbame.n sab ikaTThe hue ho.n, sabake pariNAm ek samAn nahI.n hote hai.n. kisIke pariNAm kuCh hote hai.n, kisIke pariNAm kuCh aur hote hai.n, isaliye koI kahI.n jAtA hai aur kahI.n jAtA hai. isaliye ikaTThA honA mushkil hai. sabake pariNAm ekasamAn ho to ve ikaTThe hote hai.n. .. bhagavAnake bhavame.n agale bhavame.n amuk jIvo.nke pariNAm samAn the to sAth- sAth janmate the. aur kitane hI jIv to koI kahI.n jAtA hai aur koI kahI.n jAtA hai. kisIkA mel nahI.n hai.

mumukShuH- hameshA isI prakAr ikaTThe ho aisA kyo nahI.n hotA? R^iNAnubandha ho, amuk kAraN...

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samAdhAnaH- pariNAmakA mel hove to hI ikaTThe hote hai.n. pariNAm bhinna-bhinna ho to ikaTThe nahI.n hote.

mumukShuH- .. milate hai.n, biChaDate hai.n, kisIko R^iNAnubandha nahI.n hai. ...

samAdhAnaH- kisIkA mel honA ho to ho jAtA hai. jij~nAsA sachchI thI to mil gayA. sachchA mil gayA. paDhanekA ras thA, satya khojanekA (ras thA) to vA.nchan karate the, ichChA thI satyakI to paDhate-paDhate satya prApta ho gayA.

mumukShuH- mai.nne pUChA bhI thA, rAmAyaN, bhAgavat, upaniShad paDhe to ab kyA?

samAdhAnaH- .. ho to mil jAtA hai. .. ho to use bahut kR^ipAse bulAte the. vastu to hai, anek vastue.N hai.n. parantu terA vikalpa ChoD de, tU tereme.n sthir ho jA. vastu ek nahI.n hai. vastu bhinna-bhinna hai.n. tU tere vikalpa ChoDakar andar sthir ho jA.

mumukShuH- itanA sab alag samajhame.n AyA? ek kahe, brahma laTakA kare, brahma bhAse nahI.n... itane alag hai.n.

samAdhAnaH- samajhame.n Aye aisA hai, jise jij~nAsA ho use.

mumukShuH- bahut samajhame.n Aye aisA hai.

samAdhAnaH- samajhame.n Aye aisA hai. .. dekhatA hai, jo andar vedan hotA hai, vah kuCh nahI.n hai, yah ek vichArame.n Aye aisA nahI.n hai.

mumukShuH- kyo.nki yah ek anubhav shAstra hai.

samAdhAnaH- .. samyagdR^iShTiko bolanekI.. bAhar bole to bhI use AtmA bhinna hI rahatA hai. chale, sharIr chale to bhI AtmA bhinna rahatA hai. chale, phire, bole, khAy, pIe sab kare, lekin use AtmA to sabame.n bhinna hI rahatA hai. yah kriyA ho, sharIr chale, sab ho, lekin use AtmA to bhinna hI bhAsatA rahatA hai. use rAg Ave to rAgase bhI vah bhinna bhAsatA hai. alpa asthiratAko samajhatA hai ki mere puruShArthakI mandatAse is rAgame.n juDatA hU.N. parantu sab kriyAme.n usakA AtmA use bhinna bhAsatA hai. use AtmA bhinna usake vedaname.n, usake j~nAname.n, usake darshaname.n, usake AcharaName.n sabame.n AtmA bhinna hI (rahatA hai), sab kriyAme.n. vah chale yA bole yA khAye, pIye, jIvan- maraN sabame.n AtmA use shAshvat bhinna hI dikhatA hai. AtmA use ekatva bhAsit hI nahI.n hotA hai, AtmA use bhinna hI dikhAI detA hai. nidrAme.n, svapname.n sabame.n AtmA use bhinna hI rahatA hai. svapname.n bhI use AtmA bhinna rahatA hai. use sabame.n AtmA bhinna hI bhAsit hotA rahatA hai.

yah mai.n AtmA bhinna, yah sharIr bhinna, yah kha.NbhA bhinna dikhAI detA hai, yah dIvAr

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bhinna dikhAI detI hai, vaise sharIr mujhase bhinna hai. rAg Aye vah bhI merA svabhAv nahI.n hai. usase bhI merA svabhAv bhinna hai. puruShArthakI mandatAse sabame.n khaDA hU.N, phir bhI mai.n to bhinna hI rahatA hU.N. kShaN-kShaName.n bhinna (rahatA hai). koI kShaN aisI nahI.n jAtI ki jisame.n use AtmA ekarUp ho jAya. pratikShaN use AtmA bhinna bhAsatA hai.

koI bhI kArya karatA ho, bolate ho, kuCh bhI likhatA ho, kuCh bhI karatA ho, sabake andar AtmA use bhinna (rahatA hai), ekatva hotA hI nahI.n. bhinna bhAsatA rahatA hai. merA AtmA bhinna, j~nAyakakI pariNati use nira.ntar chAlU hI hai. usame.n use thoDA- sA bhI pharka nahI.n paDatA. yadi vah ekamek ho jAy to usakA j~nAn ekatvabuddhivAlA ho jAya. j~nAname.n use bhinna hI bhAsatA hai. kShaN-kShaName.n bhinna (bhAsit hotA hai), vah use bhUlatA hI nahI.n, kisI bhI kShaN nahI.n bhUlatA hai. vah usakA vartan hai. bhinna to bhAsatA hai, lekin AtmAme.n andar sthir honekA prayatna vartatA hai. use thoDAsA bhI bhUlatA nahI.n.

use vichAr karake jabaran rakhanA paDe yA use kuCh kR^itrim karanA paDe aisA bhI nahI.n hai, use sahaj bhinna bhAsatA hai. vichAr kiye binA use sahaj (bhAsatA hai). jisame.n vichAro.nkI shrR^i.nkhalA chalatI rahe usame.n koI jabaran nahI.n lAnA paDatA, vaise AtmA use ekadam sahajapane bhinna hI bhAsatA hai. kuCh bhI karatA ho to bhI. aisI usakI vartanA hotI hai. hameshAkI vartanA. bhinna, hameshA bhinna rahatA hai. bhale kahI.n bhI khaDA ho, kahI.n bhI baiThA ho, use bhinna hI bhinna bhAsatA hai.

bhagavAnake sAmane bhakti karatA ho, bhagavAnake darshan karatA ho, bhAv Aye, bhakti Aye to bhI AtmA bhinna bhAsit hotA hai. vA.nchan karatA ho, sabakA vichAr karatA ho, dravya-guN-paryAyakA svarUp, to bhI usakA AtmA bhinna bhAsatA hai. aur usakI dhArA j~nAnadhArA-j~nAtAdhArA aise hI chAlU hai.

mumukShuH- nira.ntar chalatI rahatI hai.

samAdhAnaH- nira.ntar chalatI hai. isIliye kahate hai.n na, kaun khAtA hai, kaun pItA hai, kaun hilatA hai, kyo.nki use AtmA bhinna hI bhAsit hotA hai. vah bhinna rahatA hai. parantu vah samajhatA hai ki alpa asthiratAke kAraN yah sab bolanekI, chalanekI kriyAe.N hotI hai. alpa rAg hai. parantu use AtmA bhinna bhAsatA hai. alpa bhI na ho to-to use khAnekI, pInekI kisI bhI prakArakI kriyA na ho. alpa hai, parantu AtmA use bhinna bhAsatA hai.

mumukShuH- j~nAnIkI vartanA j~nAnI hI jAnate hai.n. aisA ek kalashame.n AtA hai.

samAdhAnaH- yathArthapane j~nAnIkI vartanA j~nAnI hI jAnate hai.n. kyo.nki j~nAnIko usakA

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anubhav hai. isaliye j~nAnIkI kyA vartanA pariNati hotI hai, vah j~nAnI hI jAnate hai.n. parantu mumukShu svaya.n vichAr kare to vichArase amuk prakArase use nakkI ho sakatA hai. barAbar yathArtha to j~nAnIkI vartanA j~nAnI hI jAnate hai.n. parantu mumukShu vichAr kare to nakkI kar sakatA hai.

mumukShuH- mumukShu hai use andar tattvakA to yathArtha nirNay hotA hai, bAhya lakShaNase...?

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, vah to bAhya lakShaNase jAne. parantu usakI jij~nAsA amuk prakArakI hai, isaliye bAhya lakShaNase jAne. parantu a.ntarame.n use yathArtha jAnanA to mushkil paDe. to bhI mumukShu satpuruShako pahachAn sakatA hai, bAhya lakShaNase. a.ntarame.n use bhedaj~nAnakI pariNati kaise chalatI hai, vah use yathArthapane barAbar nahI.n jAnatA hai, parantu use amuk anumAn dvArA jAn sakatA hai ki inakI vANI kuCh alag hai, vartan alag hai, unake parichayase, unakI vANIse amuk samajh sakatA hai. vANI dvArA, unake parichay dvArA unakA AtmA kyA kAm karatA hai, use amuk prakArase jAn sakatA hai. nahI.n to satpuruShako pahachAne kaise? har jagah AtmA.. AtmA.. AtmA. use usakI pariNatime.n AtmA hI hai.

munio.nkI to bAt hI alag hai. unako to bAharakA sab ChUT gayA hai. muni to kShaN-kShaName.n AtmA... j~nAyakakI pariNati to hai parantu unhe.n svAnubhUti a.ntarmuhUrta-a.ntarmuhUrtame.n hotI hai.

mumukShuH- .. kaun-se guNasthAn tak...?

samAdhAnaH- shrAvak ChaThThe guNasthAn parya.nt aur pa.ncham guNasthAn parya.nta. deshashrAvak hai vah pa.ncham guNasthAn aur avirati shrAvak hai vah chaturtha guNasthAn parya.nt hote hai.n. muni ChaThThe-sAtave.n guNasthAname.n hote hai.n. muniko baDh gayI hai. svAnubhUtikI dashA baDh gayI hai. shrAvako.nko bhedaj~nAnakI dhArA hai aur svAnubhUti bhI hai. parantu munio.nko tvarAse svAnubhUti hotI hai. munio.nkI sthiti baDhatI hai, kAl baDhatA hai, sab tvarAse hotA hai. abhI vartamAname.n koI muni dikhAI nahI.n dete. parantu munidashA pa.nchamakAlake a.nt tak hai, ChaThThA- sAtavA.N guNasthAna. shAstrame.n AtA hai ki Akhir tak bhAvali.ngI muni honevAle hai.n. abhI bhI ChaTThA-sAtavA.N guNasthAn hai. vartamAname.n aise muni dikhAI nahI.n dete, lekin hai sahI. koI-koI kAlame.n hote hai.n, ChaThThe-sAtave.n guNasthAname.n jhulate hue muni. aTThAIs mUlaguN, a.ntarame.n AtmAkI dashA pragaT huI ho. aTThAIs mUlaguN kisIko bAharase hote hai.n, a.ntarakI dashAke sAth ho vah bhAvali.ngI muni (hai.n).

mumukShuH- bAharame.n dikhAI nahI.n dete ho, a.ntarakI sthiti usakI U.NchI ho to...?

samAdhAnaH- jise a.ntarakA ho use bAharame.n hotA hai, aisA sambandha hai. aisA AtA hai. a.ntara.ng dashA ho use bAhar hotA hai. bAhar ho aur andar ho yA nahI.n bhI ho.

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parantu a.ntarame.n ho use bAhar hotA hai, aisA sambandha hai. bAharase kisIne bheSh le liyA ho, bAharase kisIne pratij~nA le lI, bAharase le lI, parantu a.ntarame.n jo bhAv (honA chAhiye vah nahI.n hotA). upavAsakA pachchakhAN le liyA, parantu andar jo upavAs honA chAhiye, a.ntar AtmAko pahachAnakar, vah huA nahI.n ho. bAharase le, parantu jise andar ho use bAhar hotA hI hai. aisA sambandha hai.

mumukShuH- desh-kAlake kAraN kuCh chIje.n na ho sake, aisA nahI.n ho sakatA?

samAdhAnaH- desh-kAlake kAraN tattvame.n pharka nahI.n paDatA.

mumukShuH- tattvame.n to na paDe, andar to usakI vartanA barAbar hai. ChaThThe-sAtave.N tak aNagAr ho vah bhI pahu.Nch sake yA na pahu.Nch sake?

samAdhAnaH- ChaThThe-sAtave.n guNasthAname.n ho, use bAharame.n to aisI hI hotA hai. shAstrame.n AtA hai vaisA. desh-kAlake kAraN (badalatA nahI.n).