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samAdhAnaH- ... gurukI jo vANI AtI hai, ...

mumukShuH- deshanAlabdhi bagair koI bhI samyakatva nahI.n pAtA?

samAdhAnaH- anAdikAlase deshanAlabdhike binA nahI.n pAtA. ek bAr koI guru, koI devakI pratyakSha vANI milatI hai tab pAtA hai. akele shAstrase nahI.n hoshratA hai. chaitanyakI prApti, sAmane chaitanya hove to hotI hai. pragaT svAnubhUti jisako hotI hai, vah jise chaitanya (pragaT huA) hai, usako chaitanya pragaT hotA hai, aisA nimitta-naimittik sambandha hai. .. usako deshanAlabdhi hotI hai. hotA hai apanese, lekin nimitta-upAdAnakA aisA sambandha hotA hai.

jisako chaitanya pragaT huA hai, usake nimittase chaitanyakI prApti hotI hai. aisA upAdAn- nimittakA sambandha hai. ... usakA spaShTIkaraN, usakA rahasya kaun jAnatA hai? pratyakSha j~nAnI jAnatA hai. usako svAnubhUti huyI hai. usake jo bhItarame.nse adabhutatA pragaT huyI hai, usakI vANI usako batAnevAlI hai. usake nimittase, chaitanyake nimittase chaitanya (pragaT) hotA hai. gurukI vANI ChUTatI hai to deshanAlabdhi hotI hai. bhItarame.n pragaT hotI hai. usakA sambandha hai upAdAn-nimittakA.

samAdhAnaH- ... kAraNashuddhaparyAy to anAdiananta hai. vah pAriNAmikabhAv anAdiananta hai, vaise kAraNaparyAy bhI ananta hai. jaise dravya shuddha hai, guN shuddha hai, paryAy bhI anAdiananta pAriNAmikabhAvakI vah paryAy hai, vah anAdiananta hai. kAryaparyAy to pragaT hotI hai. pAriNAmikabhAv par dR^iShTi karanese kAryaparyAy pragaT hotI hai. akhaNDa dravya par dR^iShTi karanese kAryaparyAy hotI hai. akelI kAraNashuddhaparyAy par dR^iShTi karanese hotI hai, aisA nahI.n hai. usame.n kAraNaparyAy A jAtI hai. dravya par dR^iShTi karanese kAraNaparyAy usame.n A jAtI hai. dravya par jo dR^iShTi karatA hai, usame.n pAriNAmikabhAv, j~nAyakabhAv, kAraNashuddhaparyAy sab usame.n A jAtA hai.

jo j~nAyakako grahaN karatA hai usako. usame.nse kAryaparyAy sadhatI hai, isaliye kAraNashuddhaparyAy aur kAryashuddhaparyAy (kahate hai.n). kAraNaparyAy... vah anAdiananta hai, kAraNashuddhaparyAy anAdiananta hai. aisA dravyakA svabhAv hai. us par dR^iShTi karanese kArya-

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ratnatray pragaT hote hai.n aur pUrNa paryAy pragaT hotI hai. akele a.nsh par dR^iShTi karanese nahI.n, pUrNa dravya par dR^iShTi karanese kAryashuddha paryAy pragaT hotI hai.

mumukShuH- mAtAjI! j~nAyakako jo pakaDanA hai, j~nAyakako, to vartamAname.n to ... vishva dikhatA hai. j~nAyak apragaT hai, ab j~nAname.n rAgAdi khyAlame.n Ate hai.n ki yah rAg hai yA yah kaShAy hai athavA parapadArtha hai. us j~nAnase j~nAyakako bhinna karake pakaDanA kaise?

samAdhAnaH- use bhinna karake pakaDanA ki yah jo rAg dikhatA hai, yah dikhatA hai, vah dikhatA hai, dikhAI detA hai vah mai.n nahI.n, parantu use jAnanevAlA mai.n hU.N. use bhinna karake (jAne). jo ekatvabuddhi ho rahI hai, yah rAg dikhatA hai, yah dikhatA hai, bAharakA dikhatA hai, sab dikhatA hai, parantu jo dikhAI detA hai vah vastu mai.n nahI.n hU.N, parantu usame.n jAnanevAlA (mai.n hU.N). sab paryAye.n chalI jAtI hai, usake bIch jo jAnanevAlA rahatA hai, vah jAnanevAlA mai.n j~nAyak hU.N. us j~nAyakako grahaN kar lenA, usakA astitva grahaN kar lenA. paryAy jo sab hotI hai, usake bIch jo dravya rahatA hai, jo jAnanevAlA akhaNDa hai, vah mai.n hU.N. aise usakA astitva grahaN kar lenA. usakA j~nAyakarUp astitva hai.

mumukShuH- puruShArtha karanekI yukti sUjh jAy to mArgakI ulajhan Tal jAya.

samAdhAnaH- puruShArtha karanekI yukti arthAt jo mArga hai, vah mArga use andarase sUjh jAy ki yah sab jo vibhAv hote hai.n vah mai.n nahI.n hU.N, parantu mai.n chaitanya hU.N. aisI sUkShma dR^iShTi karanekI kalA, usakI kalA, bhedaj~nAn-bhedavij~nAnakI kalA yadi hAthame.n A jAy to pragaT ho jAya. ulajhan Tal jAya.

lekin vah kalA pragaT karaneke liye utanI taiyArI chAhiye, utanI mahimA, utanI jij~nAsA, utane tattvavichAr, utanI gaharAI ho to pragaT hotA hai. to usakI kalA sUjhe. kal sUjhaneke liye utanA dhairya, utanI a.ntarame.nse jij~nAsA chAhiye to kalA pragaT hotI hai, to ulajhan Tale.

mumukShuH- ... prApta nahI.n hotA, samyakatva banA rahe aur paryAy badal jAy, manuShyaparyAyase devaparyAy ... mAtAke peTame.n nav mahine aise hI rahatA hai to kyA samyakatva banA rahatA hai?

samAdhAnaH- pUrNatA nahI.n hotI hai to bhI samyagdarshan rahatA hai. ek bhavase dUsare bhavame.n. dev manuShyabhavame.n jAtA hai to jisako kShAyik samyagdarshan hotA hai to mAtAke garbhame.n bhI usako rahatA hai. samyagdarshan rahatA hai. tIrtha.nkar bhagavAn mAtAke garbhame.n Ate hai.n to tIn j~nAn lekar Ate hai.n. mati, shrut aur avadhi tIn j~nAn unako hote hI hai.n. ChUT nahI.n jAte.

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mumukShuH- kShayopasham samyakatvI...?

samAdhAnaH- kShayopasham samyagdarshan palaTatA hai, kShAyik nahI.n palaTatA. aur apratihat dhArA hotI hai to nahI.n palaTatA hai, parantu kShAyik to palaTatA hI nahI.n. ... manuShyabhavame.n garbhame.n rahate hai.n to bhI jisako kShAyik hotA hai vah rahatA hai.

mumukShuH- svarUpakA ugra Ashray karanese kShAyik samyagdarshan pragaT hotA hai na?

samAdhAnaH- svarUpakA ugra Ashraya. apratihat dhArA, usakI dhArA apratihat hotI hai. ugra Ashray bhI karatA hai aur dhArA apratihat (hotI hai). bAdame.n aisI dR^iDh ho jAtI hai ki bAdame.n palaTatA nahI.n. ugra Alamban to hai hI, parantu palaTe nahI.n aisA Alamban, ekasamAn Alamban letA hai.

mumukShuH- samyagdarshanakA puruShArtha kaise kare.n? kaise hotA hai?

samAdhAnaH- a.ntarame.nse hotA hai. bhedaj~nAnakI dhArAkA abhyAs karanese hotA hai. mai.n j~nAyak hU.N, mai.n chaitanya hU.N, aisI bhedaj~nAnakI dhArA bhItarame.nse pragaT karanese hotA hai. jisako bAhar kahI.n chain nahI.n paDatA hai, jisako bhUkh lagatI hai to vah khAye binA nahI.n rahatA, vaise jise a.ntarame.nse pyAs lage to puruShArtha kiye binA rahatA hI nahI.n. aise j~nAyak.. j~nAyak.. j~nAyakake binA use sa.ntoSh nahI.n hotA. j~nAyakame.n mahimA lage, j~nAyakame.n ruchi lage, j~nAyakakA abhyAs nira.ntar ho to hotA hai.

svAnubhUtikA abhyAs karanA. yah sharIr mai.n nahI.n hU.N, vibhAvasvabhAv mai.n nahI.n, mai.n j~nAyak hU.N. aisI j~nAyakakI mahimA karanA. shabdarUp nahI.n, parantu j~nAyakakI mahimA lage, usame.n ruchi lage, vah abhyAs karanA. shAstra svAdhyAy, tattva chi.ntavan Adi sab karake mai.n AtmA kaisA hU.N, yah samajhaneke liye sab hotA hai. dev-guru-shAstrake vichAr.. mai.n chaitanya kaise pragaT karu.N? aisI jij~nAsA karanA. vah karanekA hai.

samAdhAnaH- ... anAdise jo pragaT hotA hai, vah chaitanyase...

mumukShuH- ...

samAdhAnaH- samavasaraName.n jAte hai.n, gurudev to bhagavAnake darshan karane jAte hai.n. devalokame.n to sab virAjate hai.n. kundakundAchArya, amR^itachandrAchArya sab virAjate hai.n. virAjate hai.n devalokame.n. svapname.n to Aye, rAmajIbhAI kahate hai.n vah kuCh nahI.n. svapnakA to aisA hai, devake rUpame.n bhI Aye aur gurudevake rUpame.n bhI Aye. kabhI gurudevake rUpame.n Aye, kabhI devake rUpame.n.

mumuukShuH- .. samAdhAnaH- vah sab kyA kahanA? devake rUpame.n Aye. isame.n bhI Aye aur devake rUpame.n bhI Aye.

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mumukShuH- Apako bhI gurudevakA virah ho gayA. mAtAjIko to bahut virah...

samAdhAnaH- ve to mahApuruSh the.

mumukShuH- bahin-bahin karate the.

samAdhAnaH- unakA to adabhut thA! dravya hI alag thA, tIrtha.nkarakA dravya thA. mai.n to unakA dAs hU.N. ve to mahApuruSh! upayog to rakhe, gurudevako sab mAlUm to hotA hai. gurudev upayog rakhe. unhe.n j~nAname.n to sab AtA hai, parantu yahA.N AnekA bhAv.... pa.nchamakAl hai isaliye abhI AnA bahut mushkil hai.

samavasaraN hotA hai, vahA.N dev sAkShAt jAte hai.n. yahA.N pa.nchamakAlame.n devo.nkA Agaman aisA ho gayA hai. pa.nchamakAlame.n dev bahut Ate nahI.n. aur ve to nispR^ih the. unhe.n andarase sab dharmakA prApta ho aisA prashasta bhAv thA, parantu ve to nirlep the. ichChA kare to AnekI shakti to hai, parantu aise pratibandhavAle ve the hI kahA.N? unhe.n bhAv thA ki sab dharma prApta kare. parantu vaisA unhe.n pratibandha, vikalpa nahI.n thA. ve svaya.n hI kahate the, koI kisIkA kar nahI.n sakatA.

mumukShuH- ek bAr padhAre to chamatkAr ho jAya.

samAdhAnaH- shAsanake prashasta rAg... svaya.n hI kahate the, koI kisIkA kar nahI.n sakatA. aisA bhAv Aye to AnekI shakti to hai.

mumukShuH- upayog rakhate hI nahI.n ho.nge, vahI.n sab khajAnA ho to yahA.N...?

samAdhAnaH- bhagavAn mil gaye unhe.n to. bhagavAn, bhagavAn karate the, bhagavAn mil gaye.

mumukShuH- mAtAjI! dhyAname.n to baiThate hai.n, j~nAyakakA Ananda kaisA...?

samAdhAnaH- j~nAyakakI pratIt karanI chAhiye. vichAr karake ... vichAranA chAhiye to dhyAname.n Aye na?

mumukShuH- vichAr karate hai.n us samay to pratItame.n AtA hai, phir vah bAt nikal jAtI hai.

samAdhAnaH- anAdikA abhyAs hai isaliye ekatvabuddhi ho jAtI hai. vichArame.n baiThe to bAr-bAr usakI pratIti karanA, bAr-bAr dR^iDh karanA chAhiye, punaH abhyAs karanA. anAdikA abhyAs hai isaliye bAr-bAr karanA chAhiye. thakanA nahI.n. ekatvabuuddhi to nira.ntar chalatI hai, to isako bAr-bAr dR^iDh karanA chAhiye.

mumukShuH- dUsare kAmame.n jab upayog jAtA hai to vah bAt nikal jAtI hai.

samAdhAnaH- to bAr-bAr karanA. bAra.nbAr karanA, bAra.nbAr vichAr karanA, bAra.nbAr karanA. tattvakA vichAr, svAdhyAy (karanA). j~nAyak mahimAva.nt hai, bAra.nbAr viShay karanA

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chAhiye ki mai.n adabhut hU.N. usakI adabhUtatA lage to usame.n upayog jAya. chaitanyakI mahimA karanI chAhiye ki mai.n adabhUt tattva hU.N. jagatame.n sarvotkR^iShTa tattva mai.n hI hU.N. aisA bAra.nbAr, bAra.nbAr, bAra.nbAr usakA abhyAs karanA, bAra.nbAr dR^iDhatA (karanI). usakI bhUkh lage to bAra.nbAr us or pariNati gaye binA nahI.n rahatI.

mumukShuH- vichAr karate hai.n us samay to thoDI shAntisI lagatI hai, phir vah rahatI nahI.n.

samAdhAnaH- puruShArthakI kamI hai, ruchikI kamI hai isaliye. bAra.nbAr karanA.

mumukShuH- mArgakI pratIti to hai ki mArga bilakUl sahI hai aur yahI ek prakArase mujhe shAnti hogI, aisA lagatA to hai. parantu vah kAyam nahI.n rahatA hai.

samAdhAnaH- usakA puruShArtha kam hai. jisakI pratIti bhItarase hove ki idhar hI sukh hai, idhar hI shAnti hai, yah mujhe pragaT karanA hai. aisI yadi tIvra jij~nAsA hove to puruShArtha us or gaye binA rahatA hI nahI.n. j~nAn, darshan, chAritra sab mereme.nse hI hotA hai. aisI dR^iDh pratIti hove to pariNati us (or jAy). parantu usakI dR^iDhatA nahI.n hai. bAra.nbAr bhedaj~nAnakA abhyAs karanA. mai.n chaitanya hU.N, yah sharIr mai.n nahI.n hU.N. vikalpa vibhAvasvabhAv merA nahI.n hai. mai.n nirvikalpa tattva hU.N. aisA bAra.nbAr abhyAs karanA. aisI pratIti dR^iDh karanA.

usake pIChe paDe to pragaT hue binA rahatA nahI.n. jisakI jarUrat lagatI hai bAharame.n, koI vastukI, vyApArakI to pIChe paDatA hai. to isakI-j~nAyakakI jarUrat lage ki mujhe isakI jarUrat hai, to usake pIChe paDake bhI usakA abhyAs karanA chAhiye. bAra.nbAr aisA karanA chAhiye, to pragaT hove. aise ek bAr vichAr kar liyA to ho gayA, aise nahI.n hotA. bAra.nbAr karanA chAhiye.

mumukShuH- bAharame.n anukUlatAme.n nahI.n hai isaliye usame.n juDanA paDatA hai.

samAdhAnaH- bhItarame.n bAra.nbAr karanA chAhiye. bAharake kArya chaitanyako rokate nahI.n. bhItarake pariNAm apane hAthame.n hai. bAra.nbAr dR^iDhatA karanI. bAharake kArya rokate nahI.n.

mumukShuH- pariNAm apane hAthame.n hai?

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, pariNAm apane hAthame.n hai. pariNAmako kaise palaTanA, shubhAshubh bhAv, shubh aur ashubh aise pariNAm palaTate hai.n, vaise j~nAyakakI or bhI palaTate hai.n. puruShArtha karanA apane hAthame.n hai. use karma kar nahI.n detA hai. apanA puruShArtha apane hAthame.n hai.

mumukShuH- ... AtmAme.n AnekI kyA vidhi hai? kaise Aye?

samAdhAnaH- shabda bolanese nahI.n hotA hai. AtmAko jAnanekI vidhi bhItarame.n hotI

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hai. jaisA gurune batAyA, shAstrame.n AyA hai, samayasAr Adime.n AtA hai ki j~nAyak svarUp AtmA j~nAtA hai. yah sab bhinna hai, AtmAkA svarUp nahI.n hai. vibhAvasvabhAv AtmAkA nahI.n hai. usakA bhedaj~nAn karo, tattvakA vichAr karo, gaharAIme.n jAkar j~nAnasvabhAvako pahachAnA. aise mAlA japanese, mAtra shubhabhAv karanese nahI.n hotA hai. bhItarame.n bhedaj~nAn karanese hotA hai. bhItarame.n jij~nAsA karake aur bhedaj~nAn karake svAnubhUti karanese hotA hai.

din-rAt usakI jij~nAsA, laganI laganI chAhiye. mai.n AtmAko kaise pahachAnU.N? usakA vichAr, usakA vA.nchan aisA bAra.nbAr bhedaj~nAn karanese hotA hai. sharIrako jAnatA hai, bAhar jAnatA hai, aise jAnanese AtmAkA j~nAn nahI.n hotA. AtmAko jAnanese AtmAkA j~nAn hotA hai. mai.n j~nAnasvarUp hU.N, mai.n AnandasvarUp hU.N, mai.n ananta guNase bharapUr hU.N, aisA bolanemAtrase nahI.n, aisA mAtra raTan karanese nahI.n, mAtra aise kalpit dhyAn karanese nahI.n, parantu bhItar usakA svabhAv pahachAnanese (hotA hai).

guDakI mIThAs aur shakkarakA svAd (jAnatA hai), aise bhItarame.n aisA svabhAv jAnanese hotA hai. mAtra bAhya dR^iShTise, bAhar jAnanese nahI.n hotA hai. bhItarako jAnanese hotA hai.