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mumukShuH- mAtAjI! mai.n j~nAnasvabhAvI hU.N, to hamArA yah vibhAv pariNaman kyo.n hotA hai?

samAdhAnaH- anAdikA ho rahA hai. j~nAnasvabhAv to hai. anAdikA ho to rahA hai, vibhAvakA vedan to hotA hai. aur jab ho rahA hai, use toDanA kaise? yah karanA hai, vah upAy karanA hai. ho to rahA hai anAdikA.

AtmA shuddha svabhAv dravyase hai aur paryAyame.n anAdise ho rahA hai. jisako usakI AkulatA lage, duHkh lage to toDanekA upAy karanA. ho to rahA hai, kyo.n ho rahA hai kyA? ho rahA hai. vah to dikhaneme.n AtA hai. paryAyame.n karma aur AtmA anAdise aise hI chale Ate hai.n, anAdi sambandhase. dravyame.n to shuddhatA hai, paryAyame.n aisA ho rahA hai.

mumukShuH- bhagavAn kundakundasvAmI jab sIma.ndhar bhagavAnake pAs gaye, us vakta kyA ApakI AtmA vahA.N thI?

samAdhAnaH- sab log bahut pUChane Ate hai.n to mujhe bahut pravR^itti ho jAtI hai.

mumukShuH- hamArA to kabhI.. bAharase Aye hai.n ham loga.

samAdhAnaH- gurudevane bahut batAyA hai, gurudevane to bahut batAyA hai. gurudev kahate the, ham sab the, aisA gurudev kahate the. gurudev svaya.n kahate the. ham sab the, aisA kahate the.

mumukShuH- ..

samAdhAnaH- aisA usako rAg thA. samyagdR^iShTi the, lekin unako vItarAgatA nahI.n huyI thI. vItarAgatA pUrNa nahI.n huyI. chAritradashA, svarUpame.n lInatA aisI visheSh nahI.n huyI thI. rAg thA nA, rAg thA isaliye rAgake kAraN aisA huA. rAgake kAraNase aisA hotA hai. bhItarame.n jAnate hai.n, bhedaj~nAn hai, yah sab bhinna hai. yah merA svabhAv nahI.n hai, aisA jAnatA hai, to bhI rAg aisA kArya karatA hai ki rAgake kAraNase lakShmaNakA rAg nahI.n ChUTatA hai, isaliye usako lekar phirate haiai.n. mai.n isako ChoD nahI.n sakatA. lakShmaNako mai.n kaise ChoD dU.N? vah rAg nahI.n ChoD sakate. bhItarame.n mAnate bhI the ki

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isame.n jIv nahI.n hai, to bhI usakA rAg nahI.n ChUTatA thA, isaliye phirate the.

balabhadra the nA, vAsudev the. isaliye usakA rAg, bhAIke Upar aisA bahut rAg hotA hai, isaliye ChoD nahI.n sakate the. bAdame.n jab rAg (khatma) ho gayA, bAdame.n hotA hai, bAdame.n palaT jAte hai.n. rAg nahI.n ChUTatA hai. bhedaj~nAn honepar bhI rAg nahI.n ChUTatA hai. jAnate hai.n to bhI rAg nahI.n ChUTatA hai. isaliye phirate hai.n.

mumukShuH- mAtAjI! kramabaddha paryAy jo nikalatI hai, vah shuddha-shuddha nikalatI hai yA shuddha aur ashuddha dono.n nikalatI hai?

samAdhAnaH- shuddha aur ashuddha dono.n kramabaddha hI hotI hai, parantu apane puruShArthakI or dR^iShTi rakhanI chAhiye. puruShArtha usame.n sAthame.n rahatA hai. apanI kamajorIse ashuddha hotA hai, puruShArtha kare tab shuddhakI paryAy hotI hai. vah sAthame.n kramabaddha chalatA hai. puruShArthake sAthame.n kramabaddha lenA chAhiye.

mumukShuH- hamArI jo paryAy nikalatI hai, andarase jo paryAy nikalatI hai, vah shuddha nikalatI hai yA shuddha-ashuddha dono.n nikalatI hai? bAhar Akar ashuddha ho jAtI hai yA andarase ashuddha AtI hai?

samAdhAnaH- andarase ashuddha hotI nahI.n. ashuddha to karmakA nimitta hai, isaliye us or dR^iShTi karatA hai, isaliye ashuddha hotI hai. dravya to shuddha hai. ... hotA hai, jab vah nimitta hotA hai, tab usakA lAl-pIlA pariNaman hotA hai. sphaTikame.n bhItarame.nse lAl nahI.n AtA hai.

mumukShuH- ...

samAdhAnaH- sphaTikame.n to nirmal paryAy hotI hai. sphaTik to saphed hai. usame.n jab lAl dikhatA hai, vah nimittake kAraN, upAdAn apanA, lAl hotA hai vah sphaTikakA mUl svabhAv nahI.n hai. vah mUl svabhAv nahI.n hai. pariNaman sphaTikakA hai, lAl jo hotA hai vah usakA mUl svabhAv nahI.n hai, vah vibhAvaparyAy hai. isaliye usakA mUl svabhAv nahI.n hai, bhItarame.nse lAl ra.ng nahI.n AtA hai. paryAyakA palaTan hotA hai. nimitta sAthame.n rahatA hai.

mumukShuH- .. bhAv bhI hai, parantu TikatA nahI.n hai.

samAdhAnaH- apanI mandatA hai. nahI.n TikatA hai, usame.n bhI apanA kAraN hai. apane pramAdake kAraN TikatA nahI.n hai. svaya.n puruShArtha kare to hotA hai. nahI.n TikanekA kAraN svaya.nkA hI hai. pramAd apanA hai. bhedaj~nAn nahI.n honekA kAraN apanA hai. anAdi kAlase nahI.n karatA hai isaliye nahI.n hotA hai. svaya.n kare to hotA hai. apanI kShati hai. lakShya ho to bhI puruShArtha karanekA bAkI rahatA hai. yathArtha lakShya, yathArtha j~nAyakakI pratitI,

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bhedaj~nAn sabakA puruShArtha svaya.nko karanekA hai. lakShya ho, vichAr kiyA ki satya yahI hai, parantu us prakArakA puruShArtha karanA usakI kShati hotI hai. vah kShati hai, vaisI svaya.nkI kShati hai. kShati hai.

mumukShuH- j~nAnalakShaN dvArA dikhatA hai, j~nAt hotA hai, vedaname.n AtA hai. to us vedaname.n yah jo j~nAt hotA hai, usakA mai.n jAnanevAlA hU.N. is prakArase usakA avalokan karake us or moD lenA. yah jo chIj jAnaneme.n AtI hai, us chIjako jAnanevAlA mai.n hU.N, is prakAr apanA avalokan shaktiko us or moDanI paDatI hai ki usake khyAlame.n sIdhA A jAtA hai?

samAdhAnaH- yah jAnaneme.n AtA hai, use jAnanevAlA mai.n, aise nahI.n, mai.n svaya.n jAnanevAlA hU.N. svaya.n jAnanevAlA j~nAyak hU.N. yah bAharakA j~nAt ho use jAnanevAlA mai.n, aise nahI.n. mai.n svaya.n jAnanevAlA hU.N. ab tak bachapanase lekar abhI tak jo-jo bhAv Aye, usako svaya.n jAnanevAlA (hU.N), vah jAnanevAlA vaisA hI hai. vah sab paryAye.n chalI gayI, sab sa.nkalpa-vikalpa chale gaye to bhI jAnanevAlA to vaisA hI hai. jAnanevAlA svaya.n sab lakShyame.n le sakatA hai.

gurudevake pAs kyA sunA? kyA jij~nAsA, kyA bhAvanA (thI)? vah sab jAnanevAlA to jAnanevAlA hI hai. svaya.n jo jAnanevAlA hai, vah jAnanevAlA mai.n hU.N. yah j~nAt hotA hai vah mai.n, aise nahI.n. svaya.n jAnanevAlA svaya.n j~nAyak svataHsiddha merI shakti jAnanekI anAdiananta hai. j~neyako jAnatA hU.N, isaliye jAnanevAlA, aise nahI.n. mai.n svaya.n jAnanevAlA hI hU.N. svaya.n jAnanevAlA chaitanyashakti, merI svaya.n jAnanekI shakti hai, svaya.n jAnanevAlA hU.N. aise j~nAnalakShaNase svaya.nko (pahachAnanA). ek j~nAnalakShaN dvArA pUrA j~nAyak pakaD letA hai. j~nAnalakShaNase ek guN jAnatA hai, aisA nahI.n, parantu svaya.n j~nAyak hU.N. svaya.n pUrNa jAnanevAlA dravya, mai.n jAnanevAlA hI hU.N.

mumukShuH- vah svaya.n j~nAnadashA parase yah svaya.n mereme.nse utpanna huyI hai aur mai.n aisI vastu hU.N, vahA.N tak usakA j~nAn chalA jAtA hai?

samAdhAnaH- vahA.N chalA jAtA hai. mai.n svaya.n j~nAyak vastu hI hU.N. ek jAnanevAlA akhaNDa j~nAyak jAnanevAlA hI hU.N.

mumukShuH- j~nAnalakShaNase j~nAt hotA hai, phir dUsare jo lakShaN kahaneme.n Ate hai.n ki mai.n Anandamay hU.N, mai.n nirvikalpa hU.N, akhaNDa hU.N, mai.n dhruv hU.N, paripUrNa hU.N, to yah sab lakShaN use kab pramANarUpase khyAlame.n Ate hai.n?

samAdhAnaH- j~nAyakalakShaN tattva hU.N. jo tattva ho, vah pUrNa hI hotA hai. tattva aisA koI adhUrA nahI.n hotA. mai.n paripUrNa hU.N. usame.n use sab sAthame.n samajhame.n A jAtA

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hai. jo svaya.n sukhako ichChatA hai, vah sukh kahI.n bAhar nahI.n hai. sukhasvarUp mai.n hU.N. yah sab use A jAtA hai. mai.n sukhasvarUp hU.N, shAntisvarUp hU.N. yah vikalpa hai vah sab AkulatA hai. mai.n nirvikalpa tattva hU.N.

jo shAstrame.n kahA hai, aise nahI.n, apitu mai.n svaya.n nirvikalpa tattva hU.N. vikalpa binAkI jo shAnti ho, is vikalpakI jAlame.n AkulatA hai, sab AkulatAse bhinna mai.n j~nAyak hU.N. AkulatA binA nirAkulasvarUp aise nahI.n, parantu mujhame.n Ananda guN hai. Ananda guN use dikhAI nahI.n detA. vah to use amuk prakArase nakkI karatA hai. j~nAnalakShaN aisA hai ki vah use grahaN ho sakatA hai. isaliye AtmAko j~nAnase jAnanA, aisA kahanekA kAraN vahI hai. Ananda use dikhAI nahI.n detA. AkulatA binAkA mai.n nirAkul, aisA use grahaN ho sakatA hai. parantu mai.n Ananda lakShaN hU.N, vah Ananda use dikhatA nahI.n. to bhI vah amuk prakArase yathArtha pramANase, yathArtha j~nAnase jAn sakatA hai. sachche j~nAnase nakkI kar sakatA hai. parantu j~nAnalakShaN to aisA hai ki usake anubhavame.n A sake aisA hai. anubhav yAnI svAnubhUtikA anubhav nahI.n, parantu j~nAnalakShaN use j~nAt ho sakatA hai.

mumukShuH- use prasiddha hai. apane vedaname.n..

samAdhAnaH- j~nAnalakShaN vedaname.n prasiddha hai aur Ananda use vedaname.n us vakta anubhavame.n nahI.n AtA hai. lekin amuk prakArakI yuktiyo.nse nakkI (karatA hai). lekin vah aisA nakkI kar sakatA hai ki usame.n pharka nahI.n paDatA. aisA vah nakkI kar sakatA hai. mai.n paripUrNa hU.N, vah sab yukti dvArA, sarva prakArase nakkI kar sakatA hai. jo vastu ho, vah svataHsiddha (hotI hai), vah adhUrI hotI nahI.n. usakA kabhI nAsh ho to use vastu hI nahI.n kahate. vastu ho vah paripUrNa j~nAnalakShaNase bharapUr hai. usakA kabhI ghAt nahI.n hotA. to use vastu kahe.n? yadi vastukA nAsh hotA ho to. pUrNa na ho vah vastu hI nahI.n hai. yathArtha prakArase nakkI kar sakatA hai.

mumukShuH- jahA.N j~nAnamay hU.N, aisA bhAv khyAlame.n Aye to sAthame.n use apanI akhaNDatA, paripUrNatA Adi sab..

samAdhAnaH- vah sab yuktise nakkI kare, sachchI pratIt kar sakatA hai. lekin mukhya usame.n j~nAn hai. vah use prasiddhime.n AtA hai.

mumukShuH- jise anubhav ho gayA, use bhI jab-jab punaH nirvikalpatA utpanna hotI hai, us vakta bhI usI lakShaNase phirase hotA hogA? yA usame.nse koI bhI lakShaN dvArA (anubhav hotA hai)?

samAdhAnaH- vah to j~nAyakakA astitva grahaN kiyA, vah to use sahaj hai. use koI vichArakI kalpanA nahI.n karanI paDatI ki mai.n Ananda hU.N yA akhaNDa hU.N. use

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to jo apanA j~nAyak astitva grahaN kiyA so kiyA hai. use sahaj dhArArUp hai. use sahaj bhedaj~nAnakI dhArAme.n sahaj j~nAtAkI dhArA vartatI hai. usame.nse use nirvikalpa svAnubhUtikI dashA sahaj pariNatirUp hotI hai. aur usakI j~nAyakakI dhArA aise hI sahaj (chalatI hai). use vikalpase raTanA nahI.n paDatA ki mai.n yah j~nAyak hU.N yA Ananda hU.N yA paripUrNa hU.N, vah to use j~nAyakakI dhArA vedanarUp usakI amuk dashA anusAr pariNamatA hai, usame.n sahaj rahatA hai. use raTan nahI.n karanA paDatA.

mumukShuH- usakI sa.nvedanashaktime.n hI vah sab j~nAt hone lagatA hai athavA vedan hone lagatA hai.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, vedan hone lagatA hai. svAnubhUtikA Ananda vah ek alag bAt hai, parantu usakI bIchavAlI dashAme.n savikalpatAme.n bhI use vedaname.n j~nAyakakA vedan amuk a.nshame.n rahatA hai.

samAdhAnaH- .. unhe.n to shrutakI labdhi (thI). shrutakevalI koI dUsarI apekShAse gurudevako kahA thA.

mumukShuH- shrutakA bhAv..

samAdhAnaH- shrutakA bhAv pragaT huA. samyagdarshanapUrvak unhe.n shrutakI visheShatA thI. us apekShAse. .. shrutakevalI vah to unhe.n amuk prakArakA shrut...

samAdhAnaH- .. gurudevakA jitanA kare.n utanA kam hI hai. bhakto.nko jo bhAv Ate hai.n, vah gurudevako kahate hai.n. unhe.n shrutakI labdhi koI apUrva thI. bhAvase shrutakevalI kahate hai.n. bhadrabAhU shrutakevalI the vah dUsarI apekShA hai. gurudevame.n to koI atishayatAyukta shrutaj~nAn thA. tIrtha.nkarakA dravya thA to unakA prabhAvanA uday alag thA, unakI vANI atishayatAyukta thI, unakA AtmA alag thA, sab alag thA. gurudevako jitanI upamA de.n, utanI kam hI hai.n. bhadrabAhusvAmI..

mumukShuH- nau.nvI gAthAme.n paribhAShA karate hai.n, shrutase jo AtmAko jAne...

samAdhAnaH- unakI shrutaj~nAnakI dhArA... hajAro.n jIvo.nko .. kiyA.

mumukShuH- .. usakI paribhAShA karate samay kahA thA ki, jo bhAvashrutaj~nAnase keval AtmAkA anubhav kare vah shrutakevalI hai. aisA R^iShishvaro tathA tIrtha.nkaro.nne ghoShaNA kI hai. aur aise pravachanasArakI 33vI.n gAthA. isase yah siddha hotA hai ki svAnubhUti pariNat param pUjya gurudev tathA pUjya bahinashrI, svaya.nke bhAvashrutaj~nAnase keval AtmAnubhavayukta honese ham mumukShu samAjake mahAn upakArI dono.n mahAtmA shrutakevalI hai.n. kyo.nki R^iShishvaro.nne.n unhe.n shrutakevalI kahA hai.

mumukShuH- sogAnIjIke bAd pravAh kuCh manda ho gayA hai, aisA lagatA hai. kAlakA

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kAraN hogA?

samAdhAnaH- koI pravAh manda nahI.n paDA hai. gurudevake pratApase pravAh chalatA hI hai. kuCh manda nahI.n paDA. gurudevakA prabhAv chAro.n or vartatA hai. AtmA kaise prApta ho? AtmA kaise prApta ho? pUre hindustAname.n ho gayA hai.

mumukShuH- abhI to aur bhI baDhegA.

samAdhAnaH- kuCh manda nahI.n huA hai. gurudevakA prabhAv chAro.n or gu.Nj rahA hai. gurudevane kitane jIvo.nko jAgR^it kar diye hai.n.

mumukShuH- .. mandatA nahI.n AyI hai, parantu prAptime.n mandatA A gayI. samAdhAnaH- kuCh mandatA nahI.n AyI hai. AtmAkI or hI kaise prApta ho? kaise prApta ho? kitane hI jIv jAgR^it ho gaye hai.n. kriyAme.n dharma mAnate the, to ab AtmA.. AtmA.. chAro.n or hindIbhAShI kShetrame.n sab or ho gayA hai. adhyAtmakA prem chAro.n or ho gayA hai.