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mumukShuH- mAtAjI! ... aur barAbar baiThatA nahI.n thA, kyo.nki dono.n virodhAbhAsI dikhatA thA. darshanase milAn karanekA AtA nahI.n thA. kyo.nki yah j~nAnaguNakI paryAy, ... usake avibhAg pratichChed, yA guN-paryAy svata.ntrapane pariName, phir bhI dravyake Ashray binA paryAy hotI hai... ek apekShAse to dravya hI kartA, karma,..

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, dravya hI kartA-kartA (hai). dravyake Ashrayase (hotI hai). ... kahI.n khI.NchA jAtA ho, aise vajan deneme.n AtA hai. apekShA to yahA.N gurudev jo kahate the, vah sabako baraso.nse khyAlame.n hai ki gurudev nishchay mukhya rakhakar vyavahAr kahate the yah sabane grahaN kiyA hai. parantu gurudev vyavahArako nikAl deneko nahI.n kahate the. baraso.nse sunA hai isaliye us prakArakA sabako khyAl hai. ... usakI pakkaD nahI.n karanI, vaise paryAyako nikAl nahI.n denA tathApi paryAy par dR^iShTi nahI.n karanI. aise gurudevakA Ashay vah thA.

... to svaya.n us bAt par bhI uChal paDate aur nishchayakI bAt Aye to usame.n bhI. isaliye gurudevake (pravachaname.n) dono.nkI sandhi hai. unakA us prakArakA vartan, pariNaman hI aisA thA. niShedh kare, use karanA kyA bAkI rahA? dR^iShTi usakI nahI.n hotI, parantu bhAvanA Aye, sab bIchame.n Aye. us par vajan nahI.n denA hai.

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mumukShuH- ...yah paryAy is dravyakI aur yah paryAy is guNakI hai. sab paryAy svata.ntrarUpase pariNamatI hai. ab Apake shabda grahaN kiye the, vAstavame.n to paryAy svata.ntra hai... yah puruShArtha karaneme.n aisI bhAvanA ho ki mai.n aisA karu.N, aisA karu.N. to yadi dono.n ek na ho athavA dravyakA Ashray na ho to... aise shabdo.nme.n rahA ki ye svarUpase bhinna hai, vastu bhI vah hai. parantu bhAvame.n kahA.N alag paD jAtA hai, vah a.ntarame.n khyAlame.n nahI.n AtA.

samAdhAnaH- dravya kUTastha hone par bhI use pAriNAmik bhI kahaneme.n AtA hai. isaliye akhaNDame.n aise AtA hai. phir bhI paryAy pariName to bhI vah dravyakI shaktiyA.N hai.n, dravyame.nse pariNamatI hai. sab paryAy pragaT hotI hai vah dravyame.nse pragaT hotI hai. dravyase bAhar nahI.n hai. dravyakI shuddhi, dravyakI nirmalatA aur dravyadR^iShTime.nse pragaT hotI hai. phir usakI jo tAratamyatA pragaT hotI hai vah sab svata.ntra pragaT hotA hai. vah svaya.n....

...dravyake svabhAvame.nse ... pariNamatI hai. .. kuCh log aisA mAnate hai.n. jaise dravya svata.ntra hai, vaise paryAy (svata.ntra nahI.n hai). svata.ntratA utanI ki paryAy pariNamanevAlI hai, ek kShaNakA sat... dravya jo akhaNDa sAmarthyase bharA huA, paripUrNa sAmarthyase bharA huA, paryAy kahA.N vaisI hai. jitanA sAmarthya dravyame.n, utanA sAmarthya paryAyame.n kahA.N hai. paryAy to dravyame.n hai. mujhe vah yAd nahI.n AyA. ... koI khI.NchatA ho to use prayojanavashAt kahanA paDe ki isakA aisA hai. koI kuCh khI.NchatA hai. nahI.n hai, paryAy sarvathA nahI.n hai, paryAy hai hI nahI.n, aisA thoDA hI hai. aisA nahI.n hai. vyavahAr nahI.n hai, paryAy nahI.n hai... ... paryAy svata.ntra hai, jab pariNamanA hogA tab pariNamegI. svaya.nke kuCh hotA nahI.n. paryAyake sab kArak svata.ntra hai.n. ek guN dUsare guNakI paryAyako kar sakatA nahI.n. dravya bhinna, paryAy bhinna, sabake kArak svata.ntra. bhAvanA kare, puruShArtha kare to kaun rahe? balaguN hai vah use kar sakatA nahI.n. to phir bhAvanA kisake AdhArase? kaun kisakA nimitta ho aur upAdAn rahe? kuCh nahI.n hogA. ... guN bhinna, paryAy bhinna, dravya bhinna, sab bhinna. kisIko kisIkA Ashray hI nahI.n hai. Ashray mAtra bolane tak simIt rah jAtA hai. phir andar kyA samajhatA hai, vah kuCh nahI.n rahatA. Ashray hai, Ashray hai kahane par bhI TUkaDe-TUkaDe mAn letA hai. gurudev svata.ntratA kahate the, para.ntu aise TUkaDe thoDe hI kahate the.

... paryAy hai, svata.ntra to vah svaya.n tak simIt hai. dravya to ek vastu hai. paryAy to kShaN-kShaName.n hotI hai. dravyake Ashrayase hotI hai. svaya.n svata.ntra hai, usakI tAratamyatA hotI hai vah svata.ntra, us prakArase svata.ntra hai. parantu usakA pUrA sAmarthya dravyame.n bharA hai. dravyake Ashrayase honevAlI hai. aisA kahaneme.n Ay, ... sab svata.ntra hai. to bhI dravya

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pariNamatA hai. abhed lene jAy to dravya pariNamatA (hai).

.. ananta-ananta ... pariName to bhI khatma nahI.n hotA aise sAmarthyase paripUrNa hai, isaliye paryAy aise hI pariNamatI rahatI hai. paryAy Uparase hotI hai? dravyake sAmarthyame.n ananta-ananta shakti (bharI hai). chAhe jitanI paryAy pariNamo, ananta kAl jAy to bhI dravya vaisAkA vaisA hai. usame.n kuCh kam nahI.n hotA. aisI shaktise bharapUr sAmarthyayukta dravya hai, usame.nse paryAy AtI hai. use dravyakA Ashray hai. vah kShaNik hai. pariNamanevAlI, usame.n-paryAyame.n pariNamanekI shakti hai. paryAy svata.ntra pariName. usakA sa.npradAn svata.ntra, usakA apAdAn, usakA adhikaraN (svata.ntra). us apekShAse paryAy svata.ntra (kahA). isaliye use dravyakA Ashray nahI.n hai, aisA nahI.n mAnanA. us apekShAse hai. kartA, karma, karaN (Adi). jaise dravyake ShaTakArak svata.ntra hai, vaise hI usake (hai.n), aisA nahI.n mAnanA. dono.nme.n a.ntar hai. dUsare dravyakA aur is dravyakA kartA, karma sab svata.ntra hai.n, aisI svata.ntratA paryAyame.n hai, aisA nahI.n mAnanA. aisI hI svata.ntratA paryAyame.n nahI.n hai, paryAy to kShaNik hai. dravya to ananta sAmarthyase bharA huA hai. usake ShaTakArak svata.ntra (AtA hai), vah alag hai.

... isaliye usakI svata.ntratA hai. paryAyame.n utanA sAmarthya nahI.n hai, vah to kShaN bharake liye pariNamatI hai, dUsare kShaName.n dUsarI paryAy AtI hai. j~nAn pariNamatA hI rahe, j~nAn khatma nahI.n hotA. ananta kAl parya.nt Ananda pariNamatA hI rahe to bhI khatma nahI.n hotA. dravyake sAmarthyase ... hai. sa.nj~nA, sa.nkhyA, lakShaN, prayojanase bhed hai. vastubhed hai kyA usakA? vah to shAstrame.n bhI AtA hai. vastu paryAy ek bhinna dravya thoDA hI hai. dravya nahI.n hai. to phir kitane dravya ho jAy? chaitanyadravya aur chaitanyakA paryAyadravya, guNadravya aisA ho jAya. jaisA dravya svata.ntra hai, vaisI hI jAtakI paryAy svata.ntra nahI.n hai. svata.ntra kahI jAtI hai, parantu svata.ntra-svata.ntrame.n a.ntar hai.

.. rAjA usakA svAmI hai. usake Ashrayame.n rahanevAle sab svata.ntrapane kAm karate ho, parantu usakA mAlik to rAjA hai. aisI svata.ntratA, jo kAm karanevAle hote hai.n ve svata.ntratAse karate ho.n. rAjA use pUChe bhI nahI.n, kuCh nahI.n, svata.ntrarUpase karate ho.n, to bhI mAlik to rAjA hI hai. rAjAkI ... hai. (dR^iShTAntame.n) to bhinna-bhinna dravya hai.n.

(yahA.N siddhAntame.n to) rAjA jaise chalatA ho, vaise hI paryAy chalatI hai. usakI dR^iShTi dravya par jAy to aise hI paryAy chalatI hai. svaya.n andar svabhAvame.n, svabhAvakI or jor baDh jAy to paryAy aise hI chalatI hai. vibhAvakI or jAy to vaise hI paryAy chale. mUl dravya par dR^iShTi denevAlA hai, vah jaise chalatA ho vaise hI paryAyakI Dor chale, dUsare prakArase nahI.n chale. vaise hI chale.

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jo dravya par dR^iShTi hai, usake balame.nse jo chalatA hai, usI prakAr paryAy chale. dUsare prakArase chale nahI.n sakatI. use Ashray dravyakA hai. vibhAvakI or dR^iShTi ho to vaise hI vibhAv chale. aise dR^iShTi phire to svabhAv chale. usame.n yadi usakI pariNati jorase vR^iddhigat ho to vaise chale. to pUrA chakra vaise chale. ek usakI dR^iShTi phari aur lInatA phir to pUrA dravya, sarvaguNA.nsh so samyagdarshan, pUrA chakra vaise chale. jis or dR^iShTi aur pariNati, lInatA jaise chale vaise sab chale. yah is or chale to vah us or nahI.n chalatA. ... paryAy dUsarI or chale aisA nahI.n hotA.

.. shuddhAtmAkI shuddharUp paryAy pariName to svata.ntra pariName. parantu jaise dravyakI dR^iShTi aur lInatA jaise chale vaise vah chale. dUsare prakArase nahI.n chal sakatA. phir use alag- alag karane nahI.n jAnA paDatA ki vah bhinna-bhinna (chale). ek chalA, usame.n sab pariNati sarvaguNA.nsh so samyagdarshan, svataH ananta guNakA pariNaman shuddha hotA hai. bhinna-bhinna ananta par dR^iShTi karake bhed karake nahI.n karanA paDatA ki sab par alag-alag dR^iShTi karake (karanA paDe). ek par dR^iShTi (detA hai) isaliye pUrA chakra sulaTA (chalatA hai). usakI us parya.ntakI svata.ntratA hotI hai.

... samajhAye isaliye aisA lage ki ye bhinna kahate hai.n. dUsaro.nko biThAneke liye, dUsare lakShaN kahakar (kahate the). mai.n dUsare prakArase kahatI hU.N. .. is prakArase kahatI hU.N aur ve dUsare prakArase kahate hai.n. unako ... karanA hotA hai, mai.n dR^iShTikI orase kahatI hU.N ki dR^iShTi dravyakI or muDe to sab paryAy (is or jhuk jAtI hai). paryAyako dravyakA Ashray hai.

... dev-guru-shAstra nimitta hote hai.n, upAdAn to svaya.nko taiyAr karanA paDatA hai. pahale to a.nsh pragaT hotA hai, bAdame.n pUrNatA hotI hai. pahale samyagdarshan pragaT karanA. bAharase nahI.n... j~nAyak AtmAkA svarUp pahachAne, bhedaj~nAn kare, sharIr mai.n nahI.n hU.N, vibhAvaparyAy merA svabhAv nahI.n hai. shubhAshubh bhAv bhI merA svabhAv nahI.n hai. mai.n bhinna chaitanyadravya hU.N. aisI shraddhA-pratIt karake usakI svAnubhUti kare to use samyagdarshan kahate hai.n. Age baDhakar kevalaj~nAn to bAdame.n hotA hai.

svAnubhUtime.n lIn hote-hote, visheSh-visheSh sthiratA hotI hai tab pa.ncham guNasthAn, ChaThThe-sAtave.n guNasthAname.n muni a.ntarmuhUrta-a.ntarmuhUrtame.n jhulate hai.n, bAdame.n shreNi lagAkar kevalaj~nAn hotA hai. shurUAt to aise hotI hai. usakI jij~nAsA karanA, mahimA karanA, nahI.n hove tab tak usakA abhyAs karanA, ye sab karanA.

mumukShuH- mAtAjI! ShaTakhaNDAgamame.n AtA hai na ki matij~nAn kevalaj~nAnako bulAtA hai.

samAdhAnaH- matij~nAn bulAtA hai. mati-shrut (j~nAn) jisako pragaT hotA hai to

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vah kevalaj~nAnako Ao.. Ao... (kahatA hai). matij~nAn jab Aye, matij~nAnakA a.nsh pragaT hotA hai tab kevalaj~nAn avashya AtA hI hai. jisako svAnubhUti pragaT hotI hai,.... matij~nAn parasanmukh hotA thA. mati-shrut svasanmukh huA, svAnubhUti pragaT huyI to usako matij~nAn pragaT huA. jisako vah matij~nAnakA a.nsh pragaT huA use kevalaj~nAn avashya hotA hai.

anAdikAlase ughAD to hai, bAdame.n jab svasanmukh hotA hai, tab use svAnubhUti pragaT hotI hai. svasanmukh mati-shrut (hotA hai). vikalpa TUTakar svasanmukh hotA hai to nirvikalpa svAnubhUti hotI hai. jisako svAnubhUti hotI hai, (usako) avashya kevalaj~nAn hotA hai. matij~nAn avashya kevalaj~nAnako bulAtA hai. usako to avashya kevalaj~nAn AtA hai. vah avashya AtA hai. matij~nAn-shrutaj~nAn kevalaj~nAnako bulAtA hai. kevalaj~nAnako AnA hI paDatA hai. matij~nAn-DorIko khi.NchatI hai svAnubhUti to kevalaj~nAn pragaT ho jAtA hai.

mumukShuH- AtmA pratyakSha j~nAtA hI hai.

samAdhAnaH- pratyakSha j~nAtA hai. anAdiananta j~nAtA hai, parantu j~nAtAkA bhAn nahI.n hai. j~nAyak-j~nAtA jab pragaT hotA hai, j~nAyakakA pariNaman samyagdarshaname.n A.nshik pragaT hotA hai, pUrNa pragaT hotA hai kevalaj~nAname.n. pratyakSha j~nAtA hai.

mumukShuH- atIndriy j~nAname.n?

samAdhAnaH- atIndriy j~nAname.n pratyakSha j~nAtA j~nAyakakA vedan hotA hai. atIndriy j~nAname.n. bAdame.n pUrNa atIndriy (j~nAn pragaT hotA hai).

mumukShuH- shrutaj~nAnase jo AtmAko jAne aur kevalaj~nAnase AtmAko jAne, usame.n kyA pher hai?

samAdhAnaH- shrutaj~nAnase jAnatA hai vah svAnubhUti pratyakSha hai aur vah kevalaj~nAn pratyakSha hai. mati-shrutako koI apekShAse parokSha kahaneme.n AtA hai, parantu svAnubhUti pratyakSha hai. matij~nAname.n manakA thoDA abuddhipUrvak a.nsh rahatA hai isaliye parokSha (kahaneme.n AtA hai), parantu svAnubhUti pratyakSha hai. mati-shrut pratyakSha hai. kevalaj~nAname.n to manakA avalamban bhI nahI.n hai, vah to pratyakSha j~nAyak hai-pratyakSha j~nAtA ho gayA. pratyakSha-parokShakA bhed paDatA hai. parantu mati-shrut svAnubhUti pratyakSha hai.

mumukShuH- mAtAjI! Ap bAra.nbAr kahate hai.n ki dev-guru-shAstrakI samIpatA rakhe to andar jAnekA avakAsh hai. thoDA isake bAreme.n...

samAdhAnaH- dev-guru-shAstra jisake hR^idayame.n rahate hai.n, usakI bhAvanA rahatI hai ki muje dev-guru-shAstrakA sAnnidhya ho. kyo.nki jisako AtmAkI ruchi hove usako aisI bhI ruchi hotI hai ki muje gurukA sAnnidhya ho, devakA ho, shAstrakA bhI (sAnnidhya

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ho). usake shravaN-mananakI bhAvanA rahatI hai. phir sa.nyog bane, na bane vah bAharakI bAt hai, parantu usakI bhAvanA bahut rahatI hai ki mujhe sAnnidhya ho. kyo.nki jise AtmA ruche usako use sAdhanevAle par bhI Adar AtA hai. guru sAdhakadashAme.n sAdhate hai.n aur dev pUrNa ho gaye. isaliye jisane isakI sAdhanA pragaT karI, us par usako bahut Adar rahatA hai. kyo.nki apanI ruchi hai to apaneko nahI.n hotA hai, jisane pragaT kiyA us par bahut Adar rahatA hai. isaliye dhyey AtmAkA hai aur dev-guru-shAstrake sAnnidhyakI bhAvanA rahatI hai. mai.n AtmAko kaise pahachAnU.n? jisane pIChAnA ho us par Adar AtA hai. jisako AtmAkI ruchi hotI hai (usako).

mumukShuH- mAtAjI! AtA hai na, "seve sadaguru charaNako to pAvai sAkShAt'. mAtAjI! aisI koI tAkat do ki samyagdarshan, kevalaj~nAn pragaT kar sake hama.

samAdhAnaH- "seve sadaguru charaN' charaN (seve) lekin upAdAn apanese pragaT hotA hai. nimitta guru hote hai.n, upAdAn apanA hotA hai. upAdAn pragaT kare to use nimitta kahaneme.n AtA hai. upAdAn apaneko (taiyAr) karanA paDatA hai. charaN sevanekI bhAvanA apanI hotI hai ki mai.n cheraN sevan karake mere AtmAko kaise pragaT karu.N? aise upAdAn apanA taiyAr karanA paDatA hai.

jo bhagavAnako jAnatA hai, vah apane AtmAko jAnatA hai. bhagavAnake dravya-guN- paryAyako jAnA, (vah) apaneko (jAnatA hai). apanekA jAnatA hai, vah bhagavAnako jAnatA hai. use bhagavAnakA kaisA dravya hai, guN hai, paryAy hai apane upAdAnase (jAnatA hai), nimittase isame.n bhagavAn hote hai.n. aisA nimitta-upAdAnakA sambandha hai. bhagavAnako jAnatA hai vah AtmAko jAnatA hai, AtmAko jAnatA hai vah bhagavAnako jAnatA hai. aisA nimitta-upAdAnakA sambandha hai. upAdAn apanA aur nimitta dev-guru hote hai.n.

mumukShuH- mAtAjI! shrutaj~nAn dvArA AtmAko jAne yA ariha.ntake dravya-guN-paryAyako jAne? usame.n dono.n barAbar yuktisa.ngat hai.

samAdhAnaH- shrutaj~nAn dvArA..?

mumukShuH- shrutaj~nAn dvArA AtmAko jAne yA ariha.ntak bhagavAnake dravya-guN-paryAyako jAne, to yahI alaukik yukti svasa.nvedanaj~nAn prApta karAtI hai?

samAdhAnaH- usame.n A jAtA hai. jisane bhagavAnake dravya-guN-paryAyako jAnA usame.n shrutaj~nAn bhI sAthame.n A jAtA hai. bhagavAnake dravya-guN-paryAy jAne, usame.n shrut apane Apase apane bhItarame.n shrutaj~nAn pragaT hotA hai. bhagavAnake dravya-guN-paryAyako jAn yA shrutaj~nAn dvArA jAne, dono.n sAthame.n hote hai.n. upAdAn apanA andarame.n hotA hai aur bhagavAnakA dravya-guN-paryAy (jAnanA) sab sAthame.n hotA hai. shrutaj~nAnase kevalI jAne, vah j~nAn dvArA

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yA bhagavAn dvArA yA dev-guru-shAstra dvArA kaho yA shrutaj~nAn dvArA kaho. dono.n sAthame.n hote hai.n.

shrutaj~nAn orase bAt karaneme.n AtI hai to shrutaj~nAnakI orase kahate hai.n. dev-gurukI orase bAt kare to dev-gurukI orase (bAt AtI hai). dono.n sAthame.n hote hai.n. bhagavAnake dravya-guN-paryAyako jAne usame.n shrutaj~nAn A jAtA hai. shrutaj~nAn dvArA AtmAko jAne usame.n dev-guru bhI A jAte hai.n. dono.nme.n aisA sambandha A jAtA hai.

... koI kahanekI bAt nahI.n hai. svAnubhUti to alaukik hai, AtmAkI vastu hai. AtmA hai, AtmAkI svAnubhUti (hotI hai). vibhAv to anAdi kAlame.n bahut vedaname.n AyA hai, svAnubhUti to vedaname.n nahI.n AyI hai. samyagdarshan pragaT nahI.n huA hai, vah to alaukik hai. vikalpa TUTakar nirAkul AtmAkA Ananda, ananta guNase bharA AtmA, vah to koI alaukik vastu hai. svAnubhUtime.n AtI hai.

mumukShuH- mAtAjI! samyagdarshanakI pAtratA kyA honI chAhiye? samAdhAnaH- pAtratAme.n to aisI bhAvanA hove ki mai.n AtmAko kaise pragaT karu.N? mai.n kaise AtmAko pahachAnU.N? vibhAvame.n chain na paDe, bAharame.n kahI.n chain (na paDe), bAhar upayog jAy usame.n chain nahI.n paDe, vibhAvame.n kahI.n chain na paDe. sukh aur shAnti mere bhItarame.nse kaise A jAy? aisI bahut bhAvanA (ho). mujhe AtmA kaise pragaT ho, aisI jij~nAsA, chaitanya j~nAyakakI mahimA, mai.n j~nAyakako kaise pIChAnU.N, usakI mahimA, dev- guru-shAstrakI mahimA, bAra.nbAr usakA abhyAs, tattva vichAr, shAstra abhyAs, usame.n mai.n AtmAko kaise pIChAnU.N? prayojanabhUt AtmA. jyAdA jAn lU.N (aisA nahI.n), parantu mai.n prayojanabhUt AtmA j~nAyak usako kaise pIChAnU.N? usakI bahut bhAvanA, jij~nAsA, laganI rahatI hai.