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samAdhAnaH- gurudev to mahAn ek tIrtha.nkar jaisA kAm kiyA. vah to tIrtha.nkarakA dravya thA. gurudevane koI apUrva mArga batAyA hai. jIv kahA.N the aur kahA.N rakh diye hai.n. koI kriyAme.n aur shubhabhAvame.n dharma mAnate the. usake bajAy a.ntar dR^iShTi karanekA gurudevane sIkhAyA hai.

mumukShuH- bhedaj~nAnakA viShay kahI.n sunane nahI.n milatA thA. vah apane samakSha lAye.

samAdhAnaH- samakSha lAye, kitanA saral spaShTa kar diyA hai. jA sakate hai.n, devame.n to jAnekI shakti hotI hai. dev to bhagavAnake samavasaraName.n jAte hai.n. .. jAte hai.n, mandiro.nme.n jAte hai.n, dev sab jagah jAte hai.n.

mumukShuH- gurudevakA virah hame.n satAtA hai. yahA.N Ate hai.n, unakI gu.Nj sunAyI detI hai, phoToke samakSha jAte hai.n to lagatA hai ki si.nhanAd gu.NjatA thA.

samAdhAnaH- gurudevakA virah to sabako lagatA hai, parantu kuudaratake Age kahA.N (chalatI hai)? aisA dravya jagatame.n shAshvat rahe, shAshvat birAje aisI sabako bhAvanA ho parantu kudaratake Age koI upAy nahI.n hai. sabako gurudevakA virah to lagAtA hai. gurudev to gurudev the.

mumukShuH- hA.N jI, mArga to ve hI darshA rahe hai.n.

samAdhAnaH- mArga to gurudev darshA rahe hai.n. mukhya to gurudev hI sab mArga darshA rahe hai.n. chAro.n or prachAr (huA hai).

mumukShuH- adhyAtmakA pravAh chAro.n or pahu.NchA hai. gurudevakA aur ApakA mahAn upakAr hai.

samAdhAnaH- ... andar puruShArtha kaise karanA? sabako ek hI prashna utpanna hotA hai. bahut kahA hai, spaShTa kiyA hai. kahI.n kisIko prashna utpanna ho aisA nahI.n hai, itanA spaShTa kar diyA hai.

mumukShuH- jab samyagdarshanakA viShay dravyadR^iShTi karaneme.n AtI hai, tab paryAy dravyase bhinna hai, aisA kahaneme.n AyA. to dravya aur paryAyakI jo bhinnatA hai, is viShayame.n gurudevakA kahanekA Ashay kyA hai? yah hame.n vistArase samajhAiye.

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samAdhAnaH- dravyadR^iShTikI mukhyatAme.n paryAy gauN ho jAtI hai. paryAyakI dravya par jahA.N dR^iShTi huyI vahA.N paryAy lakShyame.n nahI.n AtI. pUrA dravya sAmAnya jahA.N lakShyame.n AyA, usame.n paryAy gauN hotI hai. paryAy par lakShya nahI.n rahatA hai. is apekShAse paryAy aur dravya (bhinna kahaneme.n AtA hai). bAkI paryAy hai vah dravyakI paryAy hai. dravyase Upar- Upar nahI.n hai. dravya par dR^iShTi karaneme.n AtI hai, vahA.N paryAy gauN hotI hai. aur vah paryAy par lakShya, dR^iShTikA lakShya paryAy par nahI.n hotA hai. dR^iShTikA viShay akelA dravya hai.

mumukShuH- dUsarI bAt yah kI ki, jab paryAyame.n rAg hotA hai, tab rAgakI malinatA hai vah bAhar rah jAtI hai aur paryAy a.ntarlIn hotI hai, vah paramapAriNAmikabhAvarUp ho jAtI hai. to dhruv hai vah niShkriy hai aur paryAyakA jo rAg hai vah rAg bAhar rah jAtA hai aur paryAy svaya.n a.ntarlIn hotI hai-bhUtakAlakI paryAy, tab paramapAriNAmikabhAvarUp ho jAtI hai, is viShayame.n kyA (samajhanA)?

samAdhAnaH- rAg bAhar rah jAtA hai arthAt vah rAg to asthiratAkA rAg hai. paryAy andar jAy to shuddha paryAy andarame.n pragaT hotI hai. paryAy shuddharUp hotI hai, paryAy bAhar rah jAtI hai arthAt... jahA.N bhedaj~nAn hotA hai, vahA.N asthiratA alpa hotI hai. vah alpa asthiratA rahatI hai. bAkI bAhar rah jAy, usakA kyA artha hai?

mumukShuH- paryAyame.n jo rAg hotA hai vah rAg bAhar rah jAtA hai aur paryAy...

samAdhAnaH- paryAy paramapAriNAmikarUp huI.... dravya svaya.n pUrA pAriNAmikabhAvarUp hI hai. paryAy usame.n lIn hotI hai arthAt pAriNAmikabhAvarUp dravya pariNamatA hai. dravyame.n aisI yogyatA hotI hai. bhUt, vartamAn, bhaviShyakI paryAyako dravya kahaneme.n AtA hai. vah paryAyarUp nahI.n, parantu pAriNAmikabhAv dravyarUp rahatA hai. pAriNAmikabhAvarUp rahatI hai. rAg andar nahI.n AtA. rAg to malin paryAy hai. dravya svaya.n shuddhatArUp anAdiananta rahatA hai. paramapAriNAmikabhAvarUp rahatA hai.

mumukShuH- amuk apekShAse bhinnatA batAte hai.n isaliye samajhaname.n thoDI ulajhan hotI hai.

samAdhAnaH- apekShA samajh lenI, usame.n koI ulajhan nahI.n hai. dravya par dR^iShTi karanese muktikA mArga shurU hotA hai. muktikA mArga dravya par dR^iShTi karanese shurU hotA hai aur bhedaj~nAn karanese muktikA (mArga shurU hotA hai). svame.n ekatva aur parase vibhakta aisI chaitanyakI pariNatikI dhArA pragaT karanese muktikA mArga shurU hotA hai. shubhAshubh vikalpa so mai.n nahI.n hU.N, mai.n usase bhinna chaitanyatattva hU.N. kShaNik nahI.n hU.N, parantu mai.n to shAshvat dravya hU.N. guNake bhed, paryAyake bhed dR^iShTime.n nahI.n Ate, parantu j~nAn sab jAnatA hai. aisA

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dR^iShTi viShay karake j~nAn sab jAnatA hai. pariNati svaya.n svakI or Dhale. vikalpa toDakar svAnubhUti ho, nirvikalpa dashA ho, muktikA mArga (pragaT hotA hai). usame.n ulajhan honekA koI savAl nahI.n hai. kis apekShAse hai, vah apekShA samajh lenI. usame.n muktikI paryAyako bAdhA nahI.n pahu.NchatI. apekShA samajh lenI. dR^iShTiko mukhya karake, j~nAname.n jAnakar paryAyakI shuddhatA pragaT karanI vahI muktikA mArga hai.

mumukShuH- ... usame.n asamAdhAn hotA hai. bhinna-bhinna virodhAbhAsI vachan dekhakar aisA hotA hai ki yahA.N to aisA kahA hai aur isase virUddha aisA kahA, punaH isase virUddha yah kahA, punaH isase virUddha aisA kahA. aise virodhAbhAs...

samAdhAnaH- usakI apekShA samajhame.n nahI.n AtI hai. kis apekShAko mukhya karanI, kaun-sI apekShA gauN karanI yah samajhame.n nahI.n AtA, isaliye usIme.n rukatA hai. parantu muktikA mArga dravyadR^iShTise hotA hai aur usame.n paryAyakI shuddhatA pragaT karanI hai. muktike mArgame.n jAnA hai aur usIme.n gothe khAnA, usake bajAy usakI apekShA samajh lenI. usakI ulajhaname.n rahaneke bajAya.

chaitanya dravya sAmAnya tattva hai. usame.n guNake bhed, paryAyake bhedako dR^iShTi svIkAratI nahI.n hai. j~nAn sabako jAnatA hai. dravyame.n ananta guN hai. j~nAname.n sab hai. dravya-guN- paryAyase bharA tattva hai. use pahachAn lenA. aur dR^iShTi ek sAmAnya par karanI. svame.n ekatvabuddhi, parase vibhakta aisI bhedaj~nAnakI dhArA, dravya par dR^iShTi karake vikalpa toDakar shubhAshubh vikalpajAlase bhinna nirvikalpa tattva hai, use pahachAnakar svAnubhUtike mArga par jAnA. phir yah apekShAbhed kyA hai, usakA vichAr karake, samajhakar samAdhAn karanA.

kisako mukhya karanA aur kisako gauN karanA, vah kyA hai? usame.n ekAnta karake vastukA svarUp kyA hai, yah samajh lanA. dravya akhaNDa trikAl hai, paryAy kShaNik hai. use vah sparshatA nahI.n.

mumukShuH- guNabhedako bhI nahI.n sparshatA, isaliye jab tak bhed hogA tab tak vikalpa uThe.nge.

samAdhAnaH- bhed par dR^iShTi denese vikalpa utpanna hote hai.n. bhed parase dR^iShTi uThA lenI. dravyame.n guN hI nahI.n hai, paryAy bhI nahI.n hai, aisA usakA artha nahI.n hai. dravyame.n guN hI na ho aur dravyame.n paryAy hI na ho to akelA dravya (ho jAtA hai). to vedan kisakA? svAnubhUti kisakI? usame.n ananta guN, j~nAn aur Ananda kisakA? usakA vedan kisakA? use sparshatA nahI.n-ChUtA nahI.n, usame.n kuCh hai hI nahI.n to dravya akelA sAmAnya kUTastha shUnya hai, aisA artha ho jAtA hai.

mumukShuH- arthAt gurudevane kahI bAtakI apekShA barAbar samajhanI.

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samAdhAnaH- apekShA samajhanI chAhiye.

mumukShuH- ki kis apekShAse bAt hai?

samAdhAnaH- kis apekShAse hai? dR^iShTikA bal batAte hai.n. dR^iShTike balase Age baDhA jAtA hai. isaliye usame.n kuCh hai hI nahI.n, aisA usakA artha nahI.n hai. siddha bhagavAn bhI ananta guN aur ananta paryAyame.n virAjate hai.n. unhe.n ananta paryAy pragaT hotI rahatI hai, samay-samayame.n ananta guNakI ananta paryAye.n (pragaT hotI hai.n). agurulaghurUp pariNamate hai.n. vah vastukA svabhAv hai. lekin tU us bhed par dR^iShTi mat kara. guNabhedame.n rukanese tU Age nahI.n baDh sakegA. tU ek sAmAnya mUl vastu astitva par lakShya kar, aisA kahate hai.n. sab nikAl degA to tattva shUnya (ho jAyagA), aisA vastukA svarUp nahI.n hai. utpAd-vyay-dhruvarUp tattva hai. utpAd-vyay-dhruv yukta.n dravya. dravyakA svarUp to aisA hai.

mumukShuH- dravya akelA kUTastha nahI.n hai.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, kUTastha kis apekShAse? dravyadR^iShTikI apekShAse. parantu pAriNAmikabhAvarUp dravya hai.

mumukShuH- ... anubhav karanekA, phir bhI Ananda dUr kyo.n rahatA hai?

samAdhAnaH- puruShArtha nahI.n karatA hai, bhAvanA hai phir bhI. jis svabhAvarUp pariNamit hokar Age baDhanA hotA hai, us prakArase jAtA nahI.n hai. isaliye svaya.nko us rUp pariNaman karanA chAhiye, j~nAyak j~nAyakarUp, j~nAtAkI dhArA pragaT karake, kartAbuddhi ChoDakar j~nAyak j~nAyakarUp pariNamit ho to Ananda pragaT hotA hai. pariNamatA nahI.n hai. vibhAvakA pariNaman ekatvabuddhikA hai. AnandarUp kahA.N pariNamegA? bhAvanA ho, parantu bhAvanA anusAr kArya nahI.n karatA hai.

mumukShuH- bAharame.n hI ruk jAtA hai.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, bAharame.n rukatA hai. bhAvanA ho, parantu us prakArakA pariNaman karanA chAhiye na.

mumukShuH- yathArthatayA dekhe to utanA prayatna karatA nahI.n hai.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, prayatna nahI.n karatA hai.

mumukShuH- sa.nkShepame.n ek hI bAt dIjiye na, ..

samAdhAnaH- dravyadR^iShTi pragaT karanI vaha. j~nAname.n sab bhed jAnanA aur ek dravya par dR^iShTi karanI. aur svame.n ekatva karake, vibhakta shubhAshubh bhAvase bhinna..

mumukShuH- jAnanekI bAt Apane phirase kahI, usake bajAy...

samAdhAnaH- mai.n ek chaitanyatattva hU.N, jAn lenA. ananta guN aur usame.n ananta

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paryAy hai. phir adhik apekShAme.n nahI.n rukakar mUl tattvako grahaN kar lenA. astitva j~nAyaka.

mumukShuH- Ap aisA ek mantra dIjiye.

samAdhAnaH- ek j~nAyakatattvako grahaN kar lenA. usame.n ananta guN bhare hai.n. j~nAyak guNo.nse bhinna nahI.n hai. j~nAyak ananta guNo.nse bharapUr hai. usame.n AnandAdi ananta guN hai.n. usakA astitva grahaN kar lenA. kShaN-kShaName.n bhedaj~nAn karake. paryAy par dR^iShTi nahI.n hai, parantu jAnatA to hai, paryAyakA vedan hotA hai. svAnubhUtime.n paryAyakA vedan hotA hai. jAne sab, parantu dR^iShTi ek dravya par hotI hai.

mumukShuH- ek samayame.n bahinashrI! dR^iShTi dravya par aur jAnapanA, dono.n ek samayame.n?

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, sAthame.n jAnatA hai. dR^iShTi sAmAnya par hai aur j~nAn sab jAnatA hai. use bhed kar-karake, pratisamay bhed karatA rahatA hai aisA nahI.n, sahaj jAnatA hai. mai.n is sva-rUp hU.N aur par-rUp nahI.n hU.N. aisI anekAntamUrti hai ki mai.n sva-rUp hU.N aur par-rUp nahI.n hU.N.

... nayapakSha ChUT jAy to nirvikalpa hotA hai. phir to sahajarUp (hotA hai). dR^iShTi ek Atmadravya par aur j~nAn sab jAnatA hai, pramANarUp sab jAnatA hai. dR^iShTi ek mukhya rahatI hai. svaya.n svaya.nko jAne. ... dhruv tattva par hai. dravyako samajhakar, dravya par dR^iShTi karake bhedaj~nAn kare to vahI muktikA mArga hai.

mumukShuH- AjakI charchAme.n mujhe aisA lagatA hai ki pUrA sAr (A gayA). mumukShuH- dravyadR^iShTike jorame.n paryAyako gauN karavAneko koI bAt jorase AtI hai to ekAnta pakaDatA hai aur phir usame.n aTak jAtA hai.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, to aisA ho jAtA hai. usame.n aTakatA hai ki paryAyako abhinna mAnanI yA bhinna mAnanI? usame.n aTakatA hai.

mumukShuH- aisA karatA rahatA aur aj~nAname.n use rAstA sUjhatA nahI.n hai aur khyAl nahI.n AtA hai.

samAdhAnaH- (dravyadR^iShTike) jorame.n vah shuddha paryAy pragaT hotI hai. usame.n bhinna yA abhinna, usake j~nAname.n samajhame.n A jAyagA. yathArtha pariNatime.n vah A jAtA hai. usakA vedan hotA hai, usIse samajhame.n AtA hai ki vah sarvathA bhinna hai. aisA usame.n A jAtA hai. aur pUrA sAmAnya dravya hai aur vah nayI pragaT hotI hai aur vyay hotI hai. ataH vah sarvathA bhinna bhI nahI.n hai aur usakA svabhAv kShaNik hai, aisA sAthame.n A jAtA hai. vah apekShA usame.n sAthame.n A hI jAtI hai.

dravyakI bhA.Nti shAshvat sAthame.n nahI.n hai. nayI utpanna hotI hai, vyay hotI hai. aisA

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hotA hai aur usakA vedan hotA hai. dravyakI hI vah paryAy hai parantu kShaNik hai. isaliye bhinna yA abhinna jaise j~nAnakI apekShAme.n samajhame.n Aye aisA hai. ... paryAy hai. dravyake Ashray binA nahI.n hotI hai, Upar-Upar nahI.n hotI hai. dravyakA svabhAv hai, dravyakI paryAy hai. kShaNik hai, isaliye dravya sAmAnya hai usase usakA svabhAv thoDA alag hai. kShaNik hai.

mumukShuH- ... koI bhI bAt kahI ho, parantu gauN karavAneke liye bAt kahI hai.

samAdhAnaH- gauN karaneke liye, nikAl denekI bAt nahI.n hai. dR^iShTike jorame.n nikAl dI, aisI bAt bhI Aye, parantu use samajhanA chAhiye. jaise rAg jaD hai aisA kahaneme.n AtA hai, parantu rAg jaD hai aisA hI mAn le to vibhAv hI nahI.n hai, aisA artha ho jAy na. rAg jaD hai. vah apanA svabhAv nahI.n hai, isaliye use jaD kahaneme.n AtA hai. to phir puruShArtha kis bAtakA, bilakUl jaD ho to? svaya.nkA svabhAv nahI.n hai.

... bhinna, parantu vah dravyake Ashrayase hotI hai. jaisA dravya svata.ntra svataHsiddha hai, vaise paryAy svataHsiddha dravyake Ashray binA hai, aisI usame.n apekShA nahI.n AtI hai. dravyake Ashrayase hI paryAy hotI hai. .. usake bhinna nahI.n hai. jaise ek dravyase dUsare dravyake bhinna hai, aise ek dravyase paryAyake (kArak) us prakArase bhinna nahI.n hai. use to dravyakA Ashray hai.

mumukShuH- us prakArase bhinna nahI.n hai.

mumukShuH- hA.N, maryAdA bAhar (nahI.n hai). apanI-apanI maryAdA to hai.

samAdhAnaH- use dravyakA Ashray hai. usakA-paryAyakA svabhAv alag hai isaliye usake kArak bhinna hai, aise. dravyake Ashrayase, jaisA dravya hotA hai us jAtakI usakI paryAy hotI hai. usame.n to do dravya svata.ntra hai.n, bilakUl svata.ntra haiai.n. jaise do dravya svata.ntra hai.n, vaise paryAy aur dravya us prakArase svata.ntra nahI.n hai.n. jaisI dravyakI dR^iShTi hotI hai, us prakArakI paryAy hotI hai. dR^iShTi dravya par jAy to paryAy vaisI hotI hai.

mumukShuH- .. paryAyako dravyakA Ashray hai.

samAdhAnaH- paryAyako dravyakA Ashray hai. .. lekin usame.n ek jAtakA nahI.n hai, isaliye ek bhI bAt binA apekShAse nakkI nahI.n hogI. bhinna hai? abhinna hai? bhinna hai? abhinna hai? ekAnta nahI.n hai, ataH vaise vah nishchit nahI.n hogA, usame.n apekShA AtI hai.

.. sabane bahut sunA hai. gurudev to mUsalAdhAr vANI barasA gaye hai.n. kahI.n kisIko koI prashna na rahe, aisA chAro.n orase gurudevane spaShTa kiyA hai. bahut darshAyA hai. AtmAko j~nAyakako pahichAnanA. sharIr aur vibhAvaparyAy usakA svabhAv nahI.n hai. usase bhinna jAnanekA

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svabhAv hai. guNabhed, paryAyabhed parase dR^iShTi uThAkar ek j~nAname.n sab jAn lenA. bAkI AtmAme.n lInatA karake, bhedaj~nAn karake, svAnubhUti pragaT karanI vahI muktikA mArga hai. svaya.n j~nAyak j~nAtAdhArA a.ntarame.nse pragaT karanI. kartAbuddhi ChoDakar a.ntarase j~nAyakatA pragaT karanI, vah karanA hai. andar svabhAvame.nse karanA hai. kalyANarUp, hitarUp, ma.ngalarUp sab vahI hai.

mumukShuH- ekatvabuddhi kaise TUTe?

samAdhAnaH- ekatvabuddhi prayatna karanase TUTatI hai. svame.n ekatvabuddhi, parase vibhakta. puruShArtha karanese TUTe. anAdikA jo abhyAs hai, usase ekatvabuddhi toDanI. svabhAvase AtmAko pahichAne ki mai.n chaitanya hU.N, yah mai.n nahI.n hU.N. is tarah apanA svabhAv pahichAne. AtmA j~nAyak svabhAv hI hai. usakA dUsarA svabhAv nahI.n hai. j~nAyakatA-ananta guNase bharI j~nAyakatAkA astitva grahaN kare. is tarah svaya.nme.n ekatvabuddhi kare. pariNatiko apanI or lAye. mati aur shrutase yathArtha nirNay kare. usame.n dR^iShTi sthApit karake, us or j~nAn eva.n lInatA us or kare to hotA hai. puruShArtha kare to hotA hai, usakI lagan lagAye to hotA hai. bAkI anAdikA abhyAs hai. pariNati apanI or, pariNatikI dauD apanI or kare to hotA hai. pariNati dUsarI or chal rahI hai, use apanI or prayatna kare to hotA hai.

mumukShuH- pariNati dUsarI or ho jAtI hai. isaliye or lAneke liye... samAdhAnaH- lAneke liye, bas, ek AtmAme.n hI sarvasva hai, bAhar kuCh nahI.n hai. sarvasva AtmAme.n hai. bAharase sukhabuddhi uThAkar, sarvasva jo kuCh hai sab AtmAme.n hai. AtmA koI AshcharyakArI adabhut tattva hai. usame.n adabhutatA, mAhAtmya, mahimA sab usame.n lAye to ChUT jAya. apanI jarUrat mahesUs ho, bas, vahI kAryakArI hai, vahI kalyANarUp hai. AtmAkA svarUp hI kalyANarUp hai aur kArya karane jaisA hai, aisA nirNay-pratIt kare to us or puruShArtha muDe binA nahI.n rahatA.