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samAdhAnaH- .. kramabaddha hai..

mumukShuH- kramabaddhakA svarUp usane hI jAnA hai.

samAdhAnaH- usane hI vAstavikarUpame.n jAnA hai. jo puruShArtha karatA hai, usIne kramabaddhakA svarUp jAnA hai, use hI kramabaddha hai.

mumukShuH- usIkA sachchA kramabaddha hai.

samAdhAnaH- usakA sachchA kramabaddha hai.

mumukShuH- dUsarA kramabaddha-kramabaddha bolatA hai, lekin usakA kramabaddha mAtra kalpanA hI hai.

samAdhAnaH- vah kalpanA hai. phir kramabaddha arthAt bAhya padArtha jaise hone ho.n vaise ho, kartAbuddhi ChoD de ki mai.n yah nahI.n karatA hU.N, vah kramabaddha alaga. svabhAvakA kramabaddha to puruShArthapUrvak hI hotA hai.

mumukShuH- ye to thoDA dilAsA lenekI bAt hai.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, bAharakA jo honevAlA hai vah kramabaddha hI hai. bAhya sa.nyog anukUlatA- pratikUlatAke vah sab to kramabaddha hai. parantu andar svabhAvaparyAy pragaT honI vah to puruShArthapUrvak pragaT hotI hai.

mumukShuH- vah muddekI bAt hai.

samAdhAnaH- vah puruShArthapUrvak kramabaddha hotA hai. puruShArtha binA kramabaddha nahI.n hotA. apaneAp ho jAtA hai, usame.n puruShArtha nahI.n hotA aur aise hI ho jAtA hai, aisA nahI.n hai. jise svabhAv pragaT karanA ho usakI dR^iShTi to mai.n svabhAvakI or jAU.N, aisI usakI bhAvanA hotI hai. usakI j~nAyak-orakI dhArA hotI hai. use aisA nahI.n hotA hai ki bhagavAnane jaisA dekhA hogA vaisA hogA. aisA nahI.n, use a.ntarame.n pariNati pragaT karu.N aisA hotA hai. a.ntar shuddhikI paryAy pragaT honekI or usakI puruShArthakI gati pariNamatI hai. jisakI puruShArthakI gati apanI or nahI.n hai, use svabhAvakI orakA kramabaddha hotA hI nahI.n.

mumukShuH- mukhyatA to puruShArthakI hI hai.

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samAdhAnaH- puruShArthakI mukhyatA hai.

mumukShuH- ... nahI.n Aye to kramabaddha samajhame.n hI nahI.n AyA.

samAdhAnaH- to kramabaddha samajhame.n nahI.n AyA hai.

mumukShuH- vAsvatame.n to aisA hai na?

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, vAstavame.n aisA hai ki kramabaddha samajhame.n hI nahI.n AyA. honevAlA hogA, svabhAvakA jo honevAlA hogA, puruShArtha honevAlA hogA to hogA, aisA kare to usakI a.ntarakI sachchI jij~nAsA hI nahI.n hai. jij~nAsuko aisA a.ntarame.nse sa.ntoSh AtA hI nahI.n. jise svabhAvaparyAy pragaT honevAlI hai use aisA sa.ntoSh nahI.n hotA ki honA hogA vah hogA, bhagavAnane kahA hai vaise hogA, aisA sa.ntoSh nahI.n AtA. use a.ntarame.n khaTak rahatI hai ki kab mujhe a.ntarame.n svabhAvaparyAy kaise pragaT ho? kaise ho? aisI use khaTak rahA karatI hai. isaliye vah svabhAvakI or usake puruShArthakI gati muDe binA rahatI nahI.n. isaliye puruShArtha usakA svabhAvakI or jAtA hai, (isaliye) us prakArakA kramabaddha hai.

bAharake jo pheraphAr hote hai.n, usame.n svaya.n kuCh nahI.n kar sakatA. bAharake sa.nyog- viyog, anukUlatA-pratikUlatA saba. vibhAvaparyAyame.n jaisA honA hogA vaisA hogA, aisA artha kare to vah nukasAnakArak hai.

mumukShuH- vah svachChanda hai.

samAdhAnaH- vah svachChanda hai. apanI mandatAse hotA hai, aisI khaTak rahanI chAhiye. nahI.n to use svachChanda hogA. usame.n jaisA honA hogA vaisA hogA, to use svabhAv- orakI jij~nAsA hI nahI.n hai. aisI mumukShuko a.ntarame.n khaTak rahanI chAhiye. kramabaddha hai...

jij~nAsuko to puruShArtha par lakShya jAnA chAhiye. kyo.nki puruShArtha karanA vah usake hAthakI bAt hai. use khaTak rahanI chAhiye. puruShArthakI or usakA lakShya jAnA chAhiye. kramabaddha Adiko vah gauN kar detA hai. bAharake kAyAme.n kramabaddha barAbar hai, parantu a.ntarame.n svaya.n svabhAvakI or muDaneme.n kramabaddha usake khyAlame.n to use khaTak rahA kare ki mai.n kaise puruShArtha karu.N, Age kaise baDhU.N, aise apanI or AtA hai.

gurudev to aisA hI kahate the. bIchavAlI koI bAt hI nahI.n. jo svabhAvako samajhA aur j~nAyak huA usako hI kramabaddha hai. dUsaro.nko kramabaddha hai hI nahI.n. bIchame.n jij~nAsukI koI bAt hI nahI.n. jo svabhAv pragaT huA aur j~nAyakakI or gayA, use hI kramabaddha hai. aisA hI kahate the.

mumukShuH- vahI shailI.

samAdhAnaH- vahI shailI.

mumukShuH- svabhAv pariNati hI lI hai.

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samAdhAnaH- svabhAv pariNati pragaT huyI to kramabaddha. nahI.n to tUne kramabaddha jAnA hI nahI.n.

mumukShuH- guurudevakI shailI aisI hI AyI hai.

samAdhAnaH- jij~nAsukI koI bAt bIchame.n nahI.n. do vibhAg, basa.

mumukShuH- Apane to jij~nAsukA bahut sundar spaShTIkaraN kiyA. Apake vachanAmR^itame.n bhI bahut bAte.n jij~nAsukI svabhAv pariNatise hI pravachaname.n AyI hai. bhAvanA AdikI sab bAte.n hai.n, j~nAnIkI bhAvanA aise AyI hai.

samAdhAnaH- do bhAg hI kar dete the. bIchavAlI yahA.Nse vahA.N, yahA.Nse vahA.N prashnettarIkI koI bAt hI nahI.n. do vibhAg hI kar dete the.

mumukShuH- shuddha pariNatikA kram shurU hotA hai, vahI bAt lete the.

samAdhAnaH- bas, vahI bAta. yahA.N sab jij~nAsAke prashna kare isaliye jij~nAsukI bAt bIchame.n (A jAtI hai). AchArya, gurudev sab shAstrame.n do bhAg-ek pudagal auraek AtmA. bas! aisI hI bAta. rAgako yahA.N DAl diyA, svabhAvako is or rakh diyA.

mumukShuH- rAgako jaDame.n aur pudagalame.n DAl diyA. aur vahA.N takakI usake ShaTakArak usakI paryAyame.n, paryAyake ShaTakArak.... AtmA shuddha hai. .. vah kyA AtA hai? paryAyake ShaTakArak paryAyame.n? aise to vastuko ChaH kArako.nkI shakti hai. us hisAbase to vastu darshan ekadam barAbar hai. ChaH guN hai, ChaH shaktiyA.N hai.n.

samAdhAnaH- do dravya svata.ntra. is dravyake ShaTakArak isame.n aur us dravyake ShaTakArak usame.n. dono.n dravyake ShaTakArak to ekadam bhinna svata.ntra hai. phir paryAy ek a.nsh hai. paryAy a.nsharUp (hone par bhI) svata.ntra hai. aisA batAneke liye usake ShaTakArak kahe. parantu jitanA dravya svata.ntra (hai), utanI paryAy svata.ntra hai, aisA usakA artha nahI.n hai. usI dravyakI paryAy hai. aur us dravyake Ashrayase vah paryAy hotI hai. chetanakI chetan paryAya. vah jo svabhAvaparyAy hotI hai vah usakI paryAy hai. isaliye do dravya jitane ShaTakArak rUpase svata.ntra hai.n, usI dravyakI paryAy, utane dravya aur paryAy svata.ntra nahI.n hai. phir bhI ek a.nsh hai aur ek trikAlI dravya shAshvat hai. anAdiananta dravya hai aur vah kShaNik paryAy hai. parantu vah ek a.nsh hai, isaliye usakI svata.ntratA batAneke liye usake ShaTakArak kahe. bAkI usakA artha aisA nahI.n hai ki dravya jitanA svata.ntra hai, utanI paryAy (svata.ntra hai). paryAy utanI svata.ntra ho to do dravya ho gaye.

mumukShuH- vah bhI dravya ho jAya. samAdhAnaH- hA.N, vah bhI dravya ho gayA aur yah bhI dravya ho gayA. aisA usakAartha nahI.n hai. use usakI svata.ntratA batAte hai.n ki paryAy bhI ek a.nsharUpase svata.ntra hai. parantu

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jaisA yah dravya hai, vaisI usakI svata.ntratA nahI.n hai. kyo.nki vah paryAy dravyake Ashrayase hai. us paryAyakA vedan dravyako hotA hai. isaliye vah dravyakI hI paryAy hai. vaisI hI svata.ntratA usame.n nahI.n hai. parantu usakI svata.ntratA batAyI hai. paryAy bhI ek sat hai. dravya sat, guN sat, paryAy sata. usakA satapanA batAte hai.n. parantu usakI svata.ntratA, jaisI dravyakI hai vaisI svata.ntratA (paryAyakI nahI.n hai).

mumukShuH- ShaTakArako.nkI maryAdA hI alag hai. vah to spaShTa kiye binA samajh nahI.n sakate.

samAdhAnaH- paryAy bhI ek sat hai, isaliye usake ShaTakArak bhinna. parantu usakI apekShA samajhanI chAhiye. vah dravyakI paryAy hai. koI bhinna dravya nahI.n hai. nahI.n to paryAyakA dravya ho jAya. pUrNa nahI.n ho jAtI, paryAyame.n kuCh nyUnatA rahatI hai. isaliye paryAy bhI ek sat hai. dravyame.n pariNati abhI nyUn hai, (to) paryAy sat hai, aisA batAte hai.n. isaliye vah koI svata.ntra dravya nahI.n hai. paryAy hai vah dravyake Ashrayase usakI pariNati hai. jaisI dravyakI dR^iShTi vaisI paryAy pariNamatI hai. paryAy kahI.n aur pariNamatI hai aur dravya kahI.n aur pariNamatA hai, aisA nahI.n hai. vajan kis par kitanA vajan denA, vah ...

mumukShuH- usake badale UlaTA-sulaTA ho jAtA hai.

samAdhAnaH- UlaTA-sulaTA ho jAtA hai.

mumukShuH- vajan galat tarIkese jAy to bhI vyartha hai.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, vyartha hai. vajan kahA.N denA, vah use samajhanA chAhiye na. bhUtArtha aur abhUtArtha. paryAy abhUtArtha kahalAtI hai aur koI apekShAse-paryAy paryAyakI apekShAse bhUtArtha kahalAtI hai. vah bhUtArtha kis prakArakA? aur vah bhUtArtha kis prakArakA? use samajhanA chAhiye. vaise yah ShaTakArak aur vah ShaTakArak, vah kis jAtake ShaTakArak hai aur yah kis jAtake ShaTakArak, vah samajhame.n AnA chAhiye. paryAy abhUtArtha aur bhUtArtha. dravyako bhUtArtha kahate hai.n, dravyadR^iShTise. phir koI apekShAse-paryAy paryAy apekShAse kahalAtI hai. parantu vah dono.n bhUtArtha-bhUtArtha ekasamAn nahI.n hai. vaise dono.n ShaTakArak ekasamAn (nahI.n hai). usakI apekShA alag hai.

mumukShuH- vaisA hI pravachanasAr-114 gAthAme.n huA hai ki paryAyArthikanayako sarvathA banda karake, vah chakShu sarvathA banda karake dravyako dekhanA. aur dravyArthikanayake chakShuko sarvathA banda karake. dono.n jagah sarvathA shabdaprayog kiyA hai, phir bhI dono.n jagah sarvathAkA vajan ekasamAn to le nahI.n sakate.

samAdhAnaH- nahI.n, ekasamAn nahI.n liyA jAtA.

mumukShuH- nahI.n to shabdapraprog dono.n jagah ekasamAn hI hai. pravachan paDhe to bhI

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tAtparya nikAlanA mushkil (paDe).

samAdhAnaH- dravyArthikanayake chakShu sarvathA banda karake paryAyArthikako dekhe. parantu usakI apekShA to hR^idayame.n rakhanI chAhiye. dravya aur paryAy dono.nkI apekShA samajhe to samajhame.n Aye.

mumukShuH- nay to sApekSha lI hai. nay to sab sApekSha hote hai.n. usame.n sarvathA banda karanA to kaise bane? phir bhI vahA.N aise shabda liye hai.n, sarvathA banda karake.

samAdhAnaH- sarvathA banda karake aisA liyA hai. usame.n artha dUsare prakArakA lenA paDe, A.Nkh banda karanI arthAta.

mumukShuH- A.Nkh banda karanI mAne kyA? dono.n jagah samAn artha karanA athavA A.Nkh banda karanI usakA kyA karanA?

samAdhAnaH- mukhya-gauN karanA. A.Nkh banda karanI yAnI usame.n dUsarA to koI (artha nahI.n hai).

mumukShuH- sarvathA banda karanA... j~nAn kaise banda ho? banda karanA ho to bhI kaise ho?

samAdhAnaH- kis prakArakA hai, paryAyakA svarUp jAnaneke liye dravyakI apekShA ek or rakhakar paryAyakA svarUp kShaNik hai aur dravyakA svarUp shAshvat trikAl hai. is prakAr usakA svarUp samajhaneke liye vah chakShu banda karanA. yah dravyakA svarUp alag jAtakA hai aur paryAyakA svarUp alag jAtakA hai. arthAt dravyakA jo trikAl svarUp hai, use lakShyame.n nahI.n lekarake paryAy kShaNik hai, aisA samajhanA. isaliye vah chakShu banda karanA. jo trikAlako (dekhanekA) chakShu hai use banda karanA aur ise usake svarUpame.n samajhanA. paryAyako paryAyake svarUpame.n samajhanA, dravyako dravyake svarUpame.n samajhanA. usakA svarUp samajhaneke liye usake chakShu banda karanA, aisA artha hai.

isakA svarUp usame.n nahI.n AtA, usakA svarUpame.n isame.n nahI.n AtA. isaliye usake chakShu banda karanA. kisIkA svarUp kisIme.n jAtA nahI.n. dono.nkA svarUp dono.nme.n rahatA hai. isaliye usakA jaisA svarUp hai, us svarUpame.n samajhanA. isaliye usake chakShu banda karanA, aisA usakA artha hai. trikAlake svarUpako usame.n (kShaNikame.n) pravesh nahI.n hone denA aur kShaNikakA svarUp trikAlame.n pravesh nahI.n hone denA, is tarah dono.nko bhinna rakhanA.

mumukShuH- barAbar hai, bahut spaShTa.

samAdhAnaH- usakA svarUp usame.n. kShaNikakA svarUp usame.n nahI.n Ane denA aur trikAlakA svarUp usame.n (kShaNikame.n) nahI.n Ane denA. dono.nko bhinna rakhanA. chakShu sarvathA

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banda karanA.

mumukShuH- sarvathA chakShu banda karanA, aisA shabda vahA.N paDA hai.

samAdhAnaH- sarvathA chakShu banda (karanA). dravyArthikanayake chakShu sarvathA banda karake paryAyArthikako dekhanA. arthAt trikAl svarUp jo AtmAkA hai, trikAlake svarUpako paryAyame.n nahI.n Ane denA. paryAy to kShaNik hai, vartamAname.n pariNamanevAlI hai. isaliye jaisI hai vaisI vartamAname.n pariNamatI hai, aise samajhanA. aur vartamAname.n pariNamanevAlI hai aur vah trikAl pariNamanevAlA hai usame.n kShaNik pariNamanevAlA hai, aisA svarUp usame.n Ane nahI.n denA. aisA artha samajhanA. punaH dravya hI paryAyarUp pariNamatA hai, vah bAt vahA.N alag rakh dI hai.

mumukShuH- .. rakhakar hI Ate hai.n. akele kathanako pakaDane jAy to musIbat hogI.

samAdhAnaH- sirpha shabdo.nko pakaDe to... usame.n aisA hai.. gurudev aisA kahate the, koI kahatA hai gurudev aisA kahate the. gurudevakA Ashay samajhanA vah satya hai. .. pUrvak hI unakA pariNaman aur kahanekI shailI... ve svaya.n hI jab padmana.ndI Adi sab paDhate the tab uChal jAte the. aur ve svaya.n hI jab nishchayakI bAt Aye to nishchayakI bAt jaisA ho vaisA barAbar paDhate the. isaliye unakA hR^iday sandhiyukta thA. unakA pUrA pariNaman hI vaisA thA. bhale vyavahArakI bAt gauN karake koI-koI bAr paDhate the. parantu jab bhI vah paDhate the tab use op chaDhAkar paDhate the.

mumukShuH- jagatako..

samAdhAnaH- gurudevakA sab pratAp hai. tattvadR^iShTi to anAdise jIvane jAnI nahI.n hai. isaliye tattva to gurudevane khUb (diyA hai). anAdi kAlase tattva hI samajhame.n nahI.n AyA hai. mukhya bAt to vah hai. hajAro.n jIvo.nko jAgR^it kar diye. gujarAtI, hindI sabako.

mumukShuH- AtmAme.nse j~nAn AtA ho to shAstra Adi paDhanA kyo.n?

samAdhAnaH- j~nAn to j~nAname.nse hI AtA hai. jisame.n ho usame.nse Aye, kuCh bAharase nahI.n AtA hai. svaya.nko utanI a.ntarame.n shakti nahI.n hai na. j~nAname.nse j~nAn.. AtA hai j~nAname.nse, parantu shAstra nimitta hote haiai.n. upAdAn apanA parantu usame.n shAstra nimitta banate hai.n. vastukA svabhAv kyA hai use jAnA nahI.n hai. bhagavAn kyA kahate hai.n? vastu svarUp kyA hai? muktikA mArga kyA hai? svaya.n anajAnA hai. AchAyA jo kah gaye hai.n, mahA munivaro, gurudevane jo mArga batAyA, bhagavAnakI vANI-divyadhvanime.n AyA hai, AchAyAne shAstro.nme.n likhA hai. shAstra nimitta banate hai.n. upAdAn apanA hotA hai. svaya.nne anAdise mArga jAnA nahI.n hai. bhrAntime.n paDA hai. muktikA mArga kaisA hai, yah mAlUm nahI.n hai. isaliye shAstra

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nimitta banate hai.n.

jabatak svaya.n a.ntar vastu svarUp jAnatA nahI.n, tabatak shAstrakA nimitta hotA hai. parantu vah khyAlame.n yah rakhe ki mAtra shAstrase nahI.n hotA hai, hotA hai apane j~nAnase. shAstra to nimitta hai. shAstra kuCh kahate nahI.n ki tU jAna. parantu jAnatA hai svaya.nse. shAstra nimitta banate hai.n.

gurudev yahA.N vANI barasAte the. gurudevakI vANI prabal nimitta thI. parantu j~nAn to svaya.n jAne to ho na. gurukI vANI ek sarIkhI barasatI thI to grahaN to svaya.nko karanA hotA hai. jisakI jaisI lAyakAt ho us anusAr grahaN karatA hai. upAdAn svaya.nkA. nimitta gurukI vANI aur AchAyAke shAstra nimitta banate hai.n. vah to mahAn nimitta hai.

anAdi kAlakA anajAnA mArga, svaya.n kahA.N-kahA.N akaTatA hai, jUThe mArgame.n. kaise mukti ho? kis prakArase vastukA svarUp hai? svAnubhUti kaise ho? mAlUm nahI.n hai. isaliye AchAyA aur guru sab mArga darshAte hai.n. ve nimitta banate hai.n. anAdi kAlase mArga jAnA nahI.n hai to ek bAr dev eva.n gurukI vANI sune to use andarase deshanA labdhi hotI hai. grahaN karatA hai svaya.nse, parantu nimitta-naimittik aisA sambandha hai. ve nimitta banate hai.n-gurukI, AchAryakI vANI Adi.

mumukShuH- ham log to shubhako bhI nikAl dete hai.n, phir apane pAs sAdhan kyA rahA?

samAdhAnaH- shubh apanA svabhAv nahI.n hai. vastu svabhAv aisA hai. shubh pariNAm bhI AkulatArUp hai. andar sa.nkalpa-vikalpa sab AkulatA hai. vah pravR^itti AtmAkA mArga nahI.n hai. AtmAkA pariNaman AtmAme.n karanA. yah shubh pariNAm to kR^itrim hai, apanA svabhAv nahI.n hai. bIchame.n Aye binA nahI.n rahatA. use shraddhAme.n jAnanA ki yah merA svabhAv nahI.n hai. use hey mAnanA. kyo.nki vah apanA svabhAv nahI.n hai. isaliye use jAnanA barAbar, usakI shraddhA karanI ki yah merA svabhAv nahI.n hai. parantu bIchame.n Aye binA nahI.n rahatA. jab tak svaya.nme.n pUrNa lInatA nahI.n ho jAtI, tabatak bIchame.n Ate hai.n.

samAdhAnaH- .. samyagdarshanakI prApti na ho to usake liye bahut prayatna karanA paDatA hai. bAhya kriyA, shubh bhAvase puNyabandha hotA hai aur puNyase devalok milatA hai. to usase bhavakA abhAv nahI.n hotA. shuddhAtmAko pahachAne to bhavakA abhAv hotA hai. shuddhAtmA kaise jAnaneme.n Ave? usake liye sab vA.nchan, vichAr, tattva-vichAr Adi karanA chAhiye. to svAnubhUti hotI hai.

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karanA to svaya.nko hai puruShArtha karake. usake tattva vichAr, bhedaj~nAnakA prayatna, parase ekatvabuddhi toDanI, bhedaj~nAn karanA sab svaya.nko karanA hai. dev-guru-shAstrakI mahimA, j~nAyak- -j~nAyakakA raTan sab apaneko karanA hai.

mArga batAnevAle gurudev is manuShyabhavame.n mile. anubhUti muktikA mArga hai. vikalpa toDakar AkulatA (ChoDakar)... nirAkul svabhAv AtmA hai, j~nAnasvabhAv AtmA hai. mai.n j~nAn hU.N, ye sab kuCh mai.n nahI.n hU.N. mai.n to shubhAshubh bhAvase bhinna mai.n j~nAyak svabhAv hU.N. shubhAshubh bhAv apanA svabhAv nahI.n hai. bIchame.n Ate hai.n, to bhI apanA svabhAv nahI.n hai. to usako hey jAnakar j~nAyak svabhAvakA abhyAs karanA, vah karanA hai. apanA svabhAv hai usako bhUl gayA hai. to usako grahaN karanA chAhiye. shAstrame.n AtA hai na? vah parakA vastra oDhakar so jAtA hai. guru batAte hai.n ki, uTh! terA yah svabhAv nahI.n hai. ye to parakA hai. tU grahaN kar le. tere svabhAvako lakShaN dekhakar pahachAn le. jab lakShaN khyAlame.n Ave tab bhedaj~nAn karatA hai. yah karanA hai, vahI ek svAnubhUtikA mArga hai. bhedaj~nAn karanA vahI. gurudevake pAs samajhe hai.n.

mumukShuH- Apake pAs sIkhane milegA. samAdhAnaH- ananta kAlase samajh binA paribhramaN huA hai. sachchA samajhan kare to muktikA mArga mile. a.ntar AtmAkA lakShaN pahachAne. AtmAkA kis svabhAvase hai, use grahaN kare.