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mumukShuH- kabhI to aisA lagatA hai mAno shuShkatA A jAtI hai, hR^iday bhIgA huA nahI.n rahakarake. usame.n tattvakI samajhakA kyA doSh hogA?

samAdhAnaH- shuShkatA to apane kAraNase (hotI hai). bAkI apanA hR^iday bhIgA huA rahe, apane svabhAvakI mahimA Aye, apane svabhAvame.n hI sarvasva hai. yah sab bAharakA hai vah to tuchCha hai. svabhAvakI mahimA to... mahimAse bharA svabhAv hai. aisI mahimA Aye to aisA nahI.n hotA, shuShkatA Aye hI nahI.n, usakA hR^iday bhIgA huA rahe. apanA svabhAv, vahI adabhut aur AdaraNIy hai. shuShkatAko palaT denA ki mahimAva.nt merA svabhAv hai. ye bAhya vastu kuCh mahimAva.nt nahI.n hai.

mumukShuH- samajh kI ho, lekin andar kuCh AcharaN karanekA AtA nahI.n.

samAdhAnaH- vah AcharaN hI hai. svabhAvakI or jise sachchI samajh ho, vah a.ntarame.n utanA lIn hotA hI nahI.n. use jo vibhAv pariNAm sa.nkalpa-vikalpa Aye usame.n usakI tanmayatA nahI.n hotI. ras TUT hI jAtA hai. usakA hR^iday bhIgA huA rahatA hai. use kahI.n chain nahI.n paDatA. svabhAvake sivA kahI.n chain nahI.n paDatA. use bAhya padAthAme.n, khAne-pIneme.n har jagahase ras uD jAtA hai. a.ntarase niras ho jAtA hai, svabhAvakI mahimA lagatI hai.

mumukShuH- ananta.. ananta.. ananta kAl gayA to bhI mokSha prApta nahI.n huA. to aisA lagatA hai ki ananta-ananta kAl mokSha prApta karaneke liye lagatA hogA?

samAdhAnaH- ananta kAlase mokSha nahI.n huA usakA kAraN svaya.n kahI.n-kahI.n aTakA hai. mAtra kriyAme.n dharma mAn liyA, thoDA kuCh kar liyA, kuCh shubhabhAv kar liyA, kuCh dayA, dAn thoDA-thoDA kar liyA to mAno dharma ho gayA. aisA mAn liyA. isaliye mokSha nahI.n huA. kahI.n-kahI.n bAhar aTak gayA. tyAg kiyA, munipanA liyA parantu bAharame.n mAno.n mai.nne bahut kiyA, mai.nne tyAg kiyA, bahut kiyA. aisA mAn-mAnakar aTakA hai. a.ntarame.n jo svabhAv hai, usako grahaN nahI.n kiyA hai. apanA svabhAv grahaN kare to ananta kAl lage hI nahI.n.

ananta kAl laganekA kAraN kriyAo.nme.n, bAhar shubhabhAvo.nme.n sthit rahA. svabhAvako

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grahaN karaneme.n ananta kAl nahI.n lagatA. ananta kAl rakhaDaneme.n lagA, lekin svabhAv pragaT karaneme.n ananta kAl nahI.n lagatA. yadi svabhAvako grahaN kare to bahuto.nko a.ntarmuhUrtame.n ho jAtA hai aur bahuto.nko kAl lage to thoDe bhavame.n bhI use mokSha, kevalaj~nAn hotA hai. aur samyagdarshan to yadi svaya.n puruShArtha kare to use ho sakatA hai. is kAlame.n bhI ho sakatA hai.

mumukShuH- Apane to ChoTI umrame.n prApta kar liyA. aur ApakI deshanA sune tabhI kuCh lagatA hai, bAkI to ham jaiso.nko kuCh mAlUm nahI.n paDatA hai, sUjh nahI.n paDatI ki kaise kis prakArase kaise bAt karanI, utanA gahan tattva lagatA hai.

samAdhAnaH- svabhAv AtmAkA gahan hI hai. anek jAtakI mahimAo.nse bharA huA, gahanatAse bharA huA svabhAv hai.

mumukShuH- prasanna chittase is AtmAkI bAt sunI ho, use bhI mukti samIp hai.

samAdhAnaH- prasanna chittase AtmAkI vArtA sunI to bhAvi nirvAN bhAjanama. bhaviShyame.n nirvANakA bhAjan banatA hai. koI apUrva rItase. gurudevane apUrva vANI barasAyI. use apUrva mahimA Aye ki yah vastu koI alag hI hai. mai.n jis mArga par hU.N, vah yah nahI.n hai. koI a.ntarakA mArga hai. use AtmAme.nse mahimA hI koI alag AtI hai. aisI prasanna chittase apUrva rItase sunA ho to bhAvi nirvAN bhAjanama. bhaviShyame.n use chaitanyakI or puruShArtha uThanevAlA hI hai aur avashya bhAvi nirvAN-bhaviShyame.n nirvANakA bhAjan hai. bahut bAr apaneAp (sunA ho), parantu koI apUrva rItase sunA nahI.n hai. aise apUrva rItase, prasanna chittase sune to bhaviShyame.n nirvANakA bhAjan hotA hai.

mumukShuH- ... bAt to samyagdR^iShTi puruSh Ap jaise kar sako. parantu aisA yog na ho to kyA kare.n?

samAdhAnaH- jisakI taiyArI ho use bAhar aise nimitta mil hI jAte hai.n. is pa.ncham kAlame.n..

mumukShuH- ... ApakA nimitta mil gayA, hamako to aisA lagatA hai. andarase aisA lagatA hai ki ApakI deshanA... unakI aisI koI pAtratA ho gayI hai.

samAdhAnaH- mahAdurlabh thA, usame.n gurudevakA is pa.ncham kAlame.n janma huA. kitane jIvo.nkI taiyArI (ho gayI). unakI vANI aisI apUrva thI. kitane hI jIvo.nko AtmAme.n apUrvatA lagatI hai ki ye kuCh alag kahate haiai.n. chAhe jitanA baDA samudAy ho, koI samajhe na samajhe to bhI aise prasanna chittase sunate ho.n.

mumukShuH- gurudevakI vANI..

samAdhAnaH- kuCh alag hI prakArase lalakArake kahate the. unakA pratAp hai. unake

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pratApase sunane (milA).

mumukShuH- gurudev koI bAr aisA kahate the ki paryAy jitanA hI tU nahI.n hai aur koI bAr aisA kahate the ki paryAyase tU bhinna hai.

samAdhAnaH- paryAy jitanA tU nahI.n hai arthAt paryAy to kShaN-kShaName.n badal jAtI hai. tU shAshvat AtmA hai. paryAyase bhinna arthAt paryAyakA svabhAv bhinna aur terA svabhAv bhinna hai. vah kShaNik hai, tU trikAl hai. bhinnatAkA artha aisA lenA hai, sarvathA prakArase bhinna hai aisA artha nahI.n hai. apekShAse bhinna hai. sarvathA prakArase sarva prakArase bhed ho to dravya paryAy binAkA ho jAy aur paryAy svaya.n dravya ban jAya. is tarah sarvathA prakArase bhinnakA artha nahI.n thA. parantu tU koI apekShAse bhinna hai.

tU samajh ki terA svabhAv trikAl shAshvat rahanekA hai aur paryAy kShaNik hai. aise samajhanA. us apekShAse bhinna hai. sarvathA bhinna (ho to) dravya paryAy binAkA ho jAya. to dravya use kahate hai.n ki jis dravyake andar utpAd-vyay-dhrauvya sahit ho vah dravva kahaneme.n AtA hai. aur paryAy use kahate hai.n ki dravyake Ashrayase jo paryAy hotI ho vah paryAy hai. paryAy vaisI svata.ntra nahI.n hai ki vah paryAy svaya.n binA dravyake pariNamatI ho. aise paryAy nahI.n rahatI hai. parantu dono.nke svabhAv bhinna hai.n. us apekShAse use bhinna kahaneme.n AtA hai. isaliye bhinna kahA hai.

mumukShuH- ..

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, paryAy jitanA nahI.n hai. arthAt paryAy kShaNik hai aur tU trikAl hai.

mumukShuH- mithyAtva chalA AtA ho, ek bAr to j~nAnIkI deshanA niyamase jIvako prApta honI hI chAhiye.

samAdhAnaH- aisA nimitta-naimittik sambandha hai. anAdikA jo mithyAtva hai, usame.n ek bAr sachche guru athavA sachche dev use mile to upAdAn svaya.nkA, parantu vANIkA nimitta banatA hai. anAdi kAlakA anajAnA mArga hai. aisI deshanA ek bAr use mile, parantu vah mAtra deshanArUpase deshanA nahI.n, parantu use a.ntarame.nse grahaN ho jAya. vah deshanA to sabako lAbhakartA hI hotI hai. vah to prabal nimitta hotI hai. parantu svaya.n andarase grahaN kare tab deshanAlabdhi ho. anAdime.n ek bAr to use deshanA mile phir use sa.nskAr Dale to apaneAp apane upAdAnase taiyAr ho jAy, parantu ek bAr to use aisA nimitta banatA hai.

mumukShuH- heyabuddhikA artha kyA hai?

samAdhAnaH- shubhabhAv AdaraNIy nahI.n hai, shubhabhAv merA svabhAv nahI.n hai. shubhabhAv

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AkulatArUp hai, vah heyabuddhi. merA svabhAv nahI.n hai. shubhakA svabhAv bhinna aur merA svabhAv bhinna hai. mai.n j~nAyak Anandase bharA huA aur yah shubhabhAv hai vah to AkulatArUp hai. svabhAv viparIt hai. usakA svabhAvabhed hai. isaliye vah merese bhinna hai. vah mujhe AdaraNIyarUp hai, aisA nahI.n hai. vah pravR^ittirUp hai, merA svabhAv to nivR^ittasvarUp hai. bIchame.n Aye binA nahI.n rahatA. bhAvakI pariNati hai. shubhabhAvakA pariNaman merA svabhAv nahI.n hai, vah to AkulatArUp hai.

mumukShuH- ...

samAdhAnaH- vah koI kahanekI bAt hai? AtmA anupam hai, usakA Ananda anupam hai, usakA svabhAv anupam hai. ananta guNo.nse bharA AtmA hai. ananta guNakI jo nirmal paryAy pragaT ho, vah anupam hai usakA Ananda. vah koI vANI (dvArA kahA nahI.n jAtA). use koI upamA lAgU nahI.n paDatI. vah koI anupam hai. vikalpa TUTakar jo svAnubhUtikA Ananda (AtA hai) vah anupam hai. jagatame.n koI upamA nahI.n hai. kisake sAth milAn karanA?

mumukShuH- bahinashrIko lipaTakar rahe.nge usakA bhI beDA pAr hai. tattva bhale kam samajhe.

samAdhAnaH- gurudevake charaN mile vah sab bhAgyashAlI hai. pa.nchamakAlame.n gurudevake charaN sabako la.nbe samay tak mile. ...

samAdhAnaH- ... pUrA mArga pravartatA hai. kundakunda AmnAy, jahA.N dekho vahA.N kundakunda AmnAya. gurudevane to kundakundAchAryake rahasya khole hai.n. shAstrake rahasya khole hai.n.

mumukShuH- kundakunda bhagavAnakI kuCh bAt karIye to ham sune.

samAdhAnaH- kundakunda bhagavAnakI kyA bAt! upakAr kiyA is pa.ncham kAlame.n. AchArya, kundakundAchAryakI pahachAn gurudevane karavAyI. gurudevane shAstrake sab rahasya khole. kundakundAchAryane shAstrame.n sab bhar diyA. mahAvideh kShetrame.n bhagavAnake pAs jAkar AchAryadev sab lAye. shAstrame.n sab bhar diyA aur gurudevane sab rahasya khole hai.n. gurudevane to sab shAstrako sUlajhA diye. muktikA mArga batA diyA hai. kauI jAnatA nahI.n thA, muktikA mArga kyA hai? "AtmA' shabda bolanA gurudevane sikhAyA.

AtmA jAnanevAlA hai, j~nAyak hai, use pahichAno. AtmA sabase bhinna hai. yah sharIr, vibhAvasvabhAv apanA nahI.n hai. usase AtmA bhinna hai. j~nAn-darshanase AtmA paripUrNa hai. AchAryadev kahate hai.n na,

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shuddhatAse bharA mai.n arUpI AtmA, ye pudagalakA jo rUp hai, varNa, gandha, ras, sparsha AtmAme.n nahI.n hai. AtmA usase atyanta bhinna hai, aise AtmAko pahichAnanA chAhiye. j~nAn-darshanase bharA j~nAyakatattva pUrNa, pUrA sampUrNa chaitanyatattva hai use pahichAnanA. usame.n apUrNa dikhatI hai, vibhAvake kAraN apUrNatA dikhatI hai. bAkI paripUrNa pUrNa svabhAv AtmA hai. ek paramANuke sAth use sambandha nahI.n hai. vah svaya.n svaya.nme.n hI ananta sa.npadAse bharA hai. sab ananta pratAp sa.npadA AtmAme.n bharI hai. vah sa.npadA kaise pragaT ho, usakI ruchi rakhane jaisA hai. vah kaise pragaT ho? usakA abhyAs, usakI Adat, usakA vichAr, usakA vA.nchan sab karanA, usakI mahimA. vibhAvase ruchi ChUTakar AtmAkI or ruchi jAye vah karanA hai. gurudevane vah batAyA hai. Atmatattva koI alaukik hai.

AchAyAne to pUrA mArga shAstrame.n bahut bhar diyA hai. AtmA koI alaukik anupam vastu hai. chaitanyaras,.. AchAryadev kahate hai.n, jaise kShArarasase bharI namakakI DalI kShArarase bharI hai, shakkarakI DalI shakkarake rasase bharI hai. aise AtmA pUrA chaitanyatAse, j~nAyakatAse, AnandatAse bharA hai. use pahichAnanA. sabase nyArA chaitanyadev virAjatA hai. apanA dev apane pAs hai, use pahichAn le. dev-guru-shAstrako hR^idayame.n rakhakar aur ve jo kahate hai.n, unake sAnnidhyase, unakI mahimAse AtmAko lakShyame.n rakhakar use pragaT karanA. usIkA abhyAs, usIkA chintavan Adi sab karane jaisA hai.

mumukShuH- vichAr karane par andarame.n Ap jo bhI kahate ho vah sab bAt barAbar satya hai. lekin andar jAne par gurudevake prati aur Apake prati bhakti uChal jAtI hai, usakA kyA karanA? andar jA nahI.n sakate. vahI bhakti A jAtI hai ki AhA..! ye vastu! ye mahimA Apane batAyI!

samAdhAnaH- jabatak andar jA nahI.n sake tab tak bhAvanA Aye. shubhabhAvanA to a.ntarame.n AtI hai. parantu a.ntarame.n AtmAko pahichAnanekA dhyey rakhanA ki AtmA kaise pahichAname.n Aye? AtmAkI ruchi kaise pragaT ho? vah karane jaisA hai. shAstrame.n AtA hai, "tatprati prItichitten yen vArtApi hi shrutA'. vah vArtA bhI apUrva chittase sunatA hai to bhAvi nirvAN bhAjana. to bhaviShyame.n nirvANakA bhAjan ho. parantu apUrva rItase sunatA hai to. parantu apUrvatA a.ntarame.nse AnI chAhiye. AtmA apUrva hai, usakI ruchi jAgR^it honI chAhiye. vah na ho tab tak dev-guru-shAstrakI mahimA a.ntarame.n Aye binA nahI.n rahatI. parantu a.ntar AtmAko pahichAnanekA prayatnakA dhyey rakhanA chAhiye.