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mumukShuH- .. anubhUti karaneke liye bahut puruShArtha bhI karate hai.n, lekin usame.n aisA kaisA doSh ho jAtA hai ki jis kAraNase prApta nahI.n hotA hai. gaharAI nahI.n AtI. kaun-sA doSh hai?

samAdhAnaH- puruShArthakI kShati rah jAtI hai. a.ntarame.n abhyAs-ekatvabuddhi rah jAtI hai. par-orakI ruchi (rahatI hai). a.ntarakI ruchi jitanI pragaT honI chAhiye, utanI hotI nahI.n. kAraN kam AtA hai, isaliye kArya nahI.n hotA hai. mahimA Aye, sab Aye lekin andar puruShArthakI kShati rah jAtI hai. bhedaj~nAn karanekA jo prayatna chAhiye, chaitanyako pahichAnanekA vah nahI.n ho rahA hai. bAra.nbAr use abhyAs karanekI AvashyakatA hai.

ChAChako bilote-bilote makkhan bAhar AtA hai. vaise bAra.nbAr-bAra.nbAr usakA abhyAs karatA rahe. AtmA jAnanevAlA j~nAyak hai. svaya.n j~nAyak hai. parantu par-or dR^iShTi hai isaliye use kartAbuddhi ho gayI hai, mAno.n mai.n parakA kar sakatA hU.N. parantu svaya.n apane svabhAvakA kar sakatA hai, bAharakA kuCh nahI.n kar sakatA. vah sab to udayAdhIn hotA hai. parantu usake puruShArthakI mandatAke kAraN bAhya dR^iShTi hai. a.ntar dR^iShTi kare to a.ntarame.nse pragaT ho. j~nAn, darshan Adi sab a.ntarame.nse hI AtA hai. a.ntarame.n yathArtha dR^iShTi karaneke liye, shAshvat chaitanya par dR^iShTi karane hetu, a.ntarake bhed parase bhI dR^iShTi uThA lenI hai. j~nAn sab kare, parantu ek chaitanya par dR^iShTi karanI. us dR^iShTiko usame.n sthir karanA. vah karanekA hai. to use j~nAyakakA j~nAyakarUp pariNaman ho to vikalpa TUTe, to svAnubhUti ho. vah na ho tabatak usakI ruchi, usakA abhyAs bAra.nbAr karate rahanA.

AchAryadev kahate hai.n na, tIvra abhyAs kare to ChaH mahineme.n prApta hotA hai. parantu usakA vah abhyAs kitanA ugra hotA hai. parantu vah na ho tab tak usakA bAra.nbAr puruShArtha karatA hI rahe. svaya.n apaneko bhUl gayA hai. apane pAs hI hai. chaitanya anAdiananta shAshvat hai. pAriNAmikabhAvasvarUp anAdiananta hai. use pahichAn lenA.

mumukShuH- ... mUl aj~nAnIko vah prApta nahI.n hotA hai.

samAdhAnaH- bAlagopAlako lakShyame.n chetan chetanarUp hI anubhavame.n A rahA hai, parantu vah lakShyame.n letA nahI.n. chetan jaDarUp anubhavame.n nahI.n AtA, chetanarUp anubhavame.n AtA

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hai. usakA mUl jo mUl svabhAv nidhi hai, vah use khyAlame.n nahI.n hai. parantu j~nAn chetanatA chetanatArUp anubhavame.n A rahI hai, parantu vah lakShyame.n letA nahI.n hai. vah lakShyame.n le, gurudevane batAyA hai ki terA AtmA jAnanevAlA hai, j~nAyak hai, chetanasvarUp hai, jaDarUp nahI.n huA hai. yah vibhAv to anAdise svaya.n usame.n juDatA hai, isaliye vibhAv dikhatA hai. parantu a.ntar dR^iShTi kare to chetan chetanarUp hI dikhe. use dikhatA nahI.n hai.

usakI chetanatA sadA shAshvat rahI hai. anAdi kAl gayA to bhI usakI chetanatA miTakar jaD nahI.n ho gayA hai. nigodame.n gayA to bhI usakI shakti to jyo.nkI tyo.n ananta shakti bharI hai. usakA lakShya kare to vah pragaT ho sake aisA hai. usakI pratIti kare, usakA j~nAn kare, usame.n lInatA kare. aisA a.ntarame.n gaharAIme.n jAkar puruShArtha kare to pragaT hue binA rahatA hI nahI.n.

gurudevane vah ek hI mArga batAyA hai. usakI ruchi, usakA abhyAs, usakI lagan sab karane jaisA hai. jaise pAnI malin ho to usame.n auShadhi DAlanese nirmal hotA hai. vaise svaya.n prayAs kare to usame.nse malinatA Tal jAya. kyo.nki nirmalatA andar bharI hI hai. usame.nse pragaT hotA hai. jo hai vah usame.nse nikalatA hai. kahI.n bAhar lene nahI.n jAnA paDatA. a.ntarame.n j~nAn, Ananda sab andar bharachak bharA hai. usame.n vah prayAs kare to pragaT ho sake aisA hai. usakA ghoTan karanese vah jo hai vah pragaT hotA hai. usakI pariNati us or jAtI nahI.n, pariNati bAhar jAtI hai. parantu pariNatiko usame.n yadi dR^iDh kare, us or le jAy to usIme.nse shuddha paryAye.n pragaT hotI hai.n. isaliye vahI karane jaisA hai.

usakI svAnubhUti ek bAr pragaT ho to phir usake bhavakA abhAv hotA hai. phir to bAra.nbAr usIme.n jAtA hai. jise a.ntarame.n lagI use phir bAhar jAnekA, usane chaitanyakA Ashray liyA, bAharakI ruchi ChUT gayI to AchAryadev kahate hai.n, phir use ramanekA sthAn apanA kriDAvan-bAg apanA hI hai, usIme.n jAtA hai, bAhar jAtA nahI.n. har jagahase ChUTakar nirAlA ho gayA, nirAla.nbI. chaitanyake Ala.nbanase, svAvala.nbanase svaya.n apaneme.n jAtA hai. parantu svaya.n apanA Alamban letA nahI.n hai aur bAharake Alambaname.n ruk jAtA hai. svaya.nkA svAlamban le to usIme.nse sab svAla.nbI paryAye.n, svalambanase pragaT hotI hai. j~nAnakI, darshanakI, chAritrakI, AnandakI sabhI paryAye.n apanA Alamban lenese usame.nse pragaT hotI hai.n. isaliye usIme.n vishrAv kar, usIme.n sa.ntuShTa ho, AchAryadev kahate hai.n, usIme.nse tujhe anupam sukh utpanna hogA. bAharase kuCh hotA nahI.n. usake liye usIkA vichAr, usakA chintavan, usakA manan sab karane jaisA hai. dev-guru-shAstrakI mahimA, sab ek chaitanyakI gaharI ruchi karake j~nAyak AtmAko pragaT karanA. j~nAyak j~nAyakatArUp pariNamit

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ho jAy, vah vAstavame.n karane jaisA hai.

vah kaise pragaT ho? usIkA abhyAs karane jaisA hai. svaya.nme.n ekatvabuddhi, parase vibhakta hokar svaya.n svaya.nme.nse pragaT hotA hai. usame.n hI use vishrAm mile, usIme.n use shAnti mile aisA hai. yadi anAdikI use thakAn lage to a.ntarame.n hI vishrAm (hai). Ananda, j~nAn sab a.ntarame.n bharA hai. bAhar kahI.n lene jAnA nahI.n paDegA.

mumukShuH- mAtAjI! anubhUtisvarUp bhagavAn AtmA kahakar kyA kahanA chAhate hai.n?

samAdhAnaH- anubhUti arthAt svaya.n chaitanya chaitanyarUp anubhavame.n A rahA hai. arthAt usakA mUl svabhAv, jo usakI nidhi-use mUl svabhAvarUpakA khyAl nahI.n hai. parantu chetanatA chetanatArUp anubhavame.n AtI hai. anAdi kAl huA to vah jaD nahI.n ho gayA hai. j~nAn j~nAnarUp anubhavame.n A rahA hai. vah svaya.n lakShya kare to j~nAn j~nAn hI hai. j~nAn miT nahI.n giyA hai. j~nAn j~nAnarUp anubhavame.n A rahA hai. usakA mUl svAnubhav jo usakA shuddha svabhAv hai, vah use khyAlame.n nahI.n hai. parantu usakI chetanatA to chetanArUp anubhavame.n A rahI hai.

mumukShuH- anubhUtisvarUp bhagavAn AtmA yAnI j~nAyak lenA hai?

samAdhAnaH- j~nAyaka. pUrA j~nAyak anubhUtirUp hI hai. anubhUti yAnI usake svabhAvakA mUl Ananda hai, aisA nahI.n hai. parantu vah j~nAyak j~nAyakarUp hI rahA hai. pararUp nahI.n huA hai. usakA asAdhAraN svabhAv jo j~nAyakatA hai, vah j~nAyakatA j~nAyakatArUp rahA hai, pararUp nahI.n huA hai. apanerUp anubhavame.n A rahA hai. svaya.n apaneme.n hI rahA hai. bAhar vAstavik rUpase nahI.n gayA hai.

mumukShuH- aj~nAnI jIvo.nko bhI sadA j~nAyak hI anubhavame.n AtA hai?

samAdhAnaH- sadA j~nAyak arthAt j~nAyakatA, j~nAyakarUp pariNaman nahI.n hai. parantu usakA astitva j~nAyak, j~nAyakarUpakA astitva hai. usakA lakShya nahI.n hai. lakShya bAhar jAtA hai. parantu chetanatA chetanatArUp hI sphurAyamAn hai. ye jaD to kuCh jAnatA nahI.n. ye chetan chetanatArUp sphurAyamAn anubhavarUp hai.

mumukShuH- sadA kAl?

samAdhAnaH- sadAke liye chaitanya chaitanyarUp hI hai. samatA, ramatA, UrdhvatA. usakA ramya svabhAv hai, j~nAyak svabhAv hai, usakA vah sab svabhAv sphurAyamAn hai. lekin use pragaT anubhav-anubhUti nahI.n hai. svabhAvarUp anubhavame.n A rahA hai. use khyAl nahI.n AtA hai. ... chetanatA chetanatArUp anubhUtirUp hai. mUl use apane svabhAvakI anubhUti nahI.n hai. lakShyame.n le to pragaT ho aisA hai.

mumukShuH- aj~nAnIko bhI sadAkAl bhagavAn AtmA hI anubhavame.n AtA hai?

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samAdhAnaH- hA.N, hA.N. aj~nAnIko bhI sadAkAl bhagavAn AtmA hI anubhUtisvarUp hai. svaya.n hI hai. lekin use lakShyame.n nahI.n letA hai.

mumukShuH- lakShyame.n nahI.n AnekA koI kAraN?

samAdhAnaH- lakShyame.n nahI.n lenekA kAraN anAdike abhyAsake kAraN par-or dR^iShTi hai. parako apanA mAnatA hai. mAno.n mai.n parako jAnatA hU.N, svaya.n apanI or jAnanekA prayatna nahI.n karatA hai, apanI pratIti nahI.n karatA hai. j~nAnakI dishA apanI or nahI.n moDatA hai. svaya.nkI pratIti nahI.n karatA hai. lInatA apanI or nahI.n karatA hai. par- or j~nAn, pratIt, AcharaN sab par or jAtA hai.

samAdhAnaH- .. gurudevane bahut samajhAyA hai.

mumukShuH- vah to Ap kahate ho, gurudevako hamane sunA thA. lekin ab jyAdA samay ho gayA isaliye bhUlanekI prakR^iti ho gayI hai, isaliye bhUl jAte hai.n.

samAdhAnaH- Apane to bahut sunA aur bahut grahaN kiyA hai.

mumukShuH- mai.n to kahatA hU.N, bahut nahI.n, sab sunA hai. usame.n merI svIkR^iti hai.

samAdhAnaH- ... pahachAnanekA kahA hai. j~nAyak AtmAkA pariNaman karaneko kahA hai.

mumukShuH- barAbar hai. use kaise pahachAnanA, yah bAt hai.

samAdhAnaH- svAnubhUti karaneko gurudevane kahA hai.

mumukShuH- j~nAyakako mukh to hai nahI.n.

samAdhAnaH- mukh nahI.n hai, parantu lakShaNase pahichAnanA. lakShaNase pahachAnanekA gurudevane kahA hai. usakA lakShaN pahichAnanA. j~nAyak lakShaN pahachAname.n AtA hai. usakI pariNati karaneko kahA hai.

mumukShuH- lekin jaise .. indriyo.nse dikhe nahI.n, manase usakA kuCh nakkI hotA nahI.n, ab karanA kaise?

samAdhAnaH- svaya.n hai na, anya nahI.n hai. isaliye svaya.n apanese pahachAname.n AtA hai. svaya.n apane lakShaNase..

mumukShuH- svaya.n apanese pahachAname.n AtA hai. usakA sAdhan indriy to nahI.n hai. usakA sAdhan man nahI.n hai. apanI paryAy apane sanmukh ho tab AtmAko pahichAnA kahA jAya. lekin paryAyako apanI or moDanI kaise?

samAdhAnaH- svaya.n hI moD sakatA hai.

mumukShuH- moD to svaya.n hI sakatA hai. dUsarA koI vajubhAI moD de?

samAdhAnaH- .. batAyA hai aur moDaneko kahA hai. vah karanekA hai.

mumukShuH- gurudevakA mahA upakAr hai.

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samAdhAnaH- mahA upakAr kiyA hai.

mumukShuH- sabako rahanevAlA hai. kyo.nki samavasaraName.n bhI sunanevAle jAye.nge na?

samAdhAnaH- yahA.N sabako taiyAr kar diyA. gurudevane sabako...

mumukShuH- jahA.Nse mokSha jaldI ho vahA.Nse. Apako kR^ipAkA jyAdA lAbh milA hai, vah bAt satya hai.

samAdhAnaH- bahut kR^ipA thI. gurudevakA sAnnidhya yahA.N sabako milA. sabako prApta ho, usame.n...

mumukShuH- mai.nne to sunA hai, parantu ... ne sunA nahI.n hai, usakA kyA karanA?

samAdhAnaH- ... bachapanase sa.nskAr hai isaliye mai.n to yahI.n AtA hU.N. vA.nchaname.n aur har jagah pahu.Nch jAte hai.n.

mumukShuH- .. vahA.Nse haTatI nahI.n aur yahA.N AtI nahI.n. to aisA mAhAtmya, padArthakA aisA svarUp kaise j~nAname.n lenA ki jisase ruchikA palaTA sahaj ho jAy? kyo.nki haThapUrvak to ruchi (badalatI nahI.n).

mumukShuH- gurudev kahate hai.n ki samajhaname.n sab garbhitarUpase rahA hai. kis prakArakI aisI samajh Aye? j~nAnakA vichAr kare.n to j~nAnakI asAdhAraNatA yA ek visheSh prakAr thoDA khyAlame.n AtA hai. parantu vah Upar-Uparase thoDA vichAr kare to rahe, phir dUsarI vastume.n ... utanA hotA hai ki vahA.N ruchi chipakI hai. .. jaD padArtha hai, usame.n sukh nahI.n hai, usase kuCh hotA nahI.n. aisA dhAraNAj~nAname.n to sab AyA hai. isame.n bahut ulajhan (ho jAtI hai kiH) aisA kab tak?

samAdhAnaH- aisA hai ki vah j~nAname.n liyA, lekin vah j~nAn.. jo usakI yathArtha mahimA AnI chAhiye a.ntarame.nse mahimA utanI (nahI.n AtI hai). mahimA bAhar nahI.n hai, a.ntarame.n hI hai. us parase utanI samajhaname.n Aye to usake sAth usakI virakti chAhiye, usakI mahimA chAhiye. j~nAnake sAth sab ho to vah ruchi palaTatI hai. us orase virakti AnI chAhiye ki isame.n kuCh nahI.n hai. AtmAme.n hI hai. usase nirAlApan AnA chAhiye ki isame.n aTakane jaisA nahI.n hai. isame.n kuCh ras nahI.n hai. usakA nirNay aisA dR^iDh honA chAhiye ki ruchi palaT jAya. utanA j~nAn samajhame.n AnA chAhiye. mAtra samajhanakA doSh hai aisA nahI.n. samajh, virakti, mahimA sab andar sAthame.n ho to palaTatA hai.

mumukShuH- vah sab kaise kab Aye?

samAdhAnaH- svaya.n kare to ho. kare binA kahA.Nse (ho)?

mumukShuH- karaneme.n kyA bAkI rah jAtA hai?

samAdhAnaH- karaneme.n bAkI...

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mumukShuH- buddhipUrvak to mAno sa.nyog ChoDakar mu.nbaI ChoDakar sonagaDh chalate hai.n. to apanA us prakArakA lakShya ChUT jAy, amuk ho jAya. vah prayatna bhI hotA hai. yahA.N bhI buddhipUrvakakA prayatna shAstrame.nse paDhakar vichAr karanekA man hotA hai.

samAdhAnaH- phir bhI aTakatA hai. ruchi vahI.n hai. jitanI chAhiye utanI andar tIvratA nahI.n hai. jitanA chAhiye utanA a.ntarame.nse vApas nahI.n muDatA hai. jitanA chAhiye utanA svaya.nko grahaN nahI.n karatA hai. to utanI virakti AtI nahI.n, utanI mahimA AtI nahI.n. isaliye usame.n kShati rahatI hai. mandatA rahatI hai.

so rahA ho aur jAgR^it honekA nirNay kiyA ho, parantu jAgatA hU.N, jAgatA hU.N kare, parantu pramAdake kAraN jAgR^it nahI.n hotA. jAganA hai, jAganA hai, uThanA hai, lekin svaya.n pramAdake kAraN jitanI chAhiye utanI apanI or j~nAn, virakti, mahimA jitanI chAhiye utanI, jitanA kAraN denA chAhiye utanA karatA nahI.n. isaliye hotA nahI.n. apanI Alasake kAraN nahI.n ho rahA hai.

jitanI tIvratA chAhiye utanI (nahI.n hai). vahA.N aTakatA hai. aTakatA hai to utanI a.ntarame.nse chaTapaTI laganI chAhiye ki vahA.N aTak hI na sake aur apanemee.n chalA jAy, utanI andarase lagan laganI chAhiye. to vahA.Nse bhinna paDe. bAdame.n alpa asthiratA rahatI hai, parantu usakI dR^iShTi vahA.N tha.NbhatI nahI.n aur vahA.Nse ChUTatA nahI.n hai usakA kAraN svaya.nkA hI hai. usakA Ashray prabalapane le aur isakA Ashray ChoD de to nirAla.nban ho jAya. apanA Ashray sahaj... AshrayakA jor ho to vah ChUT jAtA hai. svaya.n ChoDe to ChUTe. svaya.n hI nahI.n ChoDatA hai, apanA kAraN hai. dravyadR^iShTi vah to usame.n gayA nahI.n hai, use grahaN nahI.n kiyA hai, parantu paryAyame.n har jagah aTakA hai.

mumukShuH- usake liye kuCh...?

samAdhAnaH- visheSh mahimA Aye usake liye, j~nAyakame.n hI sarvasva hai, usakI dR^iDhatA kare. isame.n sarvasva nahI.n hai, chaitanyame.n sab hai. bhale buddhipUrvak svaya.n vichAr karake kare, parantu andarase palaTaneke liye to usakI visheSh taiyArI honI chAhiye. pariNati palaTe. buddhime.n Aye lekin jab tak pariNati nahI.n palaTatI, tab tak kachAs hai. pariNati ekatvakI or Dhal rahI hai to apaneme.n kachAs hai. buddhime.n nirNay kare ki mahimA isame.n hai, sukh isame.n hai, isame.n sukh nahI.n hai, vahA.N tak svaya.n AtA hai, parantu pariNati palaTatI nahI.n, vah apanI kachAs hai.

.. bAra.nbAr usakI pariNati rahA kare. bAra.nbAr aisA karate-karate palaTe. parantu j~nAyakakI or Tike kab? utanI apanI or rahanekI jarUrat lage, yahI jarUratavAlA hai, dUsarI orase vApas haTe to ho. pariNatikA palaTanA apane puruShArthase hotA hai. gurudevane sabako

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grahaN ho us prakArase spaShTa kahA hai. terA svarUp tereme.n hai, par tujhame.n nahI.n hai. pUrA mArga spaShTa karake dikhA diyA hai.

mumukShuH- Ap kahate ho us anusAr pariNati hI is or muDatI nahI.n.

samAdhAnaH- pariNati palaTanI chAhiye. usame.n puruShArthakI taiyArI karanI paDatI hai.

mumukShuH- "tatprati prItichitten yen vArtApi hi shrutA'. usakA artha kyA samajhanA?

samAdhAnaH- ruchipUrvak vArtA sunI hai, bhAvi nirvAN bhAjana.n. a.ntarakI ruchipUrvak sunA hai to usakI pariNati palaTe rahegI hI nahI.n. lekin vah palaTe kab? svaya.n kare to ho. bhAvi, bhAvi hai. kabhI bhI palaTe aisA usakA artha hai. bhaviShyame.n nirvANakA bhAjan hai. a.ntarakI ruchipUrvak jisane bAt bhI sunI hai, usakI pariNati palaTe binA rahegI nahI.n. bhaviShya nirvAN bhAjana.n. usakA artha svaya.n puruShArtha karake usakA palaTanA hogA. lekin jo jij~nAsu ho use aisA hotA hai ki merI pariNati kaise palaTe? use puruShArtha karanekI svaya.nko bhAvanA rahatI hai.

mumukShuH- vah aise kathano.nkA AdhAr nahI.n letA. samAdhAnaH- hA.N, AdhAr nahI.n letA. usakI bhAvanA aisI hotI hai ki kaise palaTe? kaise puruShArtha karu.N? kaise karu.N? aisI bhAvanA aur vaisI lagan lagAnevAleko palaTatI hai. phir kab palaTe vah usakI yogyatA anusAr (hotA hai), parantu usakI bhAvanA aisI hotI hai ki kaise puruShArtha karu.N? kaise ho? kaise puruShArtha karu to palaTe? aisI usakI bhAvanA hotI hai. puruShArtha karanekI hI bhAvanA hotI hai.