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mumukShuH- utpAd aur vyay to kramashaH hote hI rahate hai.n.

samAdhAnaH- utpAd, vyay aur dhruv, sab ek samayame.n hotA hai. jis samay utpanna hotA hai, usI samay vyay hotA hai, usI samay dhruv hai. utpAd, vyay aur dhruv AtmAkA svarUp hai. utpAd, vyay, dhruv, pratyek dravyame.n utpAd, vyay, dhruv hote rahate hai.n. svabhAvakI or muDe to svabhAvakA utpAd ho. ye vibhAvakI or hai to vibhAvakA utpAd hotA hai.

mumukShuH- svabhAvakI or muDe tab use usakA utpAd-vyay kaise khyAlame.n Aye?

samAdhAnaH- svabhAv to anAdi ananta svaya.n hI shAshvat j~nAyak AtmA hai. vah to dhrav svarUp hai. dhruv bhI apanI or muDakar jo utpAd huA, apanI or svabhAvakI paryAy huyI, usakA svaya.nko vedan huA, vah svaya.nkA utpAd huA.

mumukShuH- phir vyay?

samAdhAnaH- vyay-vibhAvakA vyay huA aur svabhAvakA utpAd huA.

mumukShuH- svabhAvakA utpAd aur vibhAvakA vyay, us samay dhruv?

samAdhAnaH- us samay dhruv svaya.n hai.

mumukShuH- yAnI j~nAyak svabhAv?

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, j~nAyak dhruv hai. samyagdarshanakI prApti huyI, samyagdarshanakA utpAd huA aur mithyAtvakA vyay huA. mithyAtvakA nAsh huA aur samyagdarshanakA utpAd huA aur AtmA dhruv hai.

mumukShuH- dhruv, paryAyako sparsha nahI.n karatA hai na?

samAdhAnaH- j~nAyak svaya.n dhruv hI hai.

mumukShuH- to paryAyArthik ...

samAdhAnaH- .. utpAd hai vah paryAy hai. paryAy hotI hI rahatI hai. anAdise. andar svabhAvakA utpAd, vibhAvakA vyaya. phir jisakI dR^iShTi AtmAkI or gayI use svabhAvakA utpAd, svabhAvakI nirmalatA, svabhAvakA utpAd hotA rahatA hai.

mumukShuH- vibhAvadashAkA..

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samAdhAnaH- hA.N, vibhAvakA vyay hotA jAtA hai.

mumukShuH- isIliye sthiratA..

samAdhAnaH- svaya.nkI or muDe to sthir paryAy pragaT hotI hai. samyagdarshan, j~nAn, chAritra A.nshik hote hai.n. chAritra-svarUpAcharaN chAritra hotA hai. asthiratAkI paryAy use khaDI hai.

mumukShuH- .. kaise pahachAnanA aur kaise prApta karanA? usakI rIt (kyA)? hamArI to abhI shurUAt hai to kaise use samajhanekI rIt hai?

samAdhAnaH- AtmA to jAnane vAlA hai. yah jaD sharIr to kuCh jAnatA nahI.n. jAnane vAlA AtmA jAnane vAlA hai, vah jAnane vAlA svaya.n hai. lekin us jAnane vAlekI mahimA AnI chAhiye ki yah jAnane vAlA hai vahI mai.n hU.N. yah sharIr mai.n nahI.n hU.N. andar AkUlatA hotI hai, vah merA svabhAv nahI.n hai. jAnane vAlA hai vahI mai.n hU.N. jAnane vAleme.n ananta guN hai. jAnane vAlA mahimAva.nt hai. us jAnane vAlekI mahimA lAkar jAnane vAleko pahachAnanA chAhiye. use pahachAnanekA prayatna karanA chAhiye. usake liye AtmA kaun hai? vah dravya kyA hai? usame.n guN kyA hai? usakI paryAy kyA hai? yah sab use pahachAnanA chAhiye aur usakA bhedaj~nAn karanA chAhiye ki yah sharIr bhinna hai aur AtmA bhinna hai. usakI taiyArIke liye andar laganI lagAnI chAhiye, jij~nAsA lagAnI chAhiye, bAhar kahI.n ruche nahI.n, a.ntarame.n ruchi lage, kahI.n chain paDe nahI.n, yah usakI vidhi hai. lekin taiyArI svaya.nko karanI chAhiye.

mumukShuH- usI dashAme.n dhruv to nitya TikatA hai, utpAd-vyay siddhadashAme.n kaise lAgU hote hai.n?

samAdhAnaH- siddhadashAme.n jo vastu hai usakA svabhAv hI dravya-guN-paryAy hai. usame.n ananta guN hai. siddha bhagavAname.n ananta guN hai.n. ananta guNakI paryAy hotI rahatI hai. kevalaj~nAn pragaT huA, us kevalaj~nAnakI paryAy pragaT hotI hI rahatI hai. AnandakI paryAy hotI hI rahatI hai. AtmA akriy dhruv hai lekin usame.n pAriNAmikabhAv hai. isaliye kriyA (hotI hai). akriy hone par bhI kriyAtmak hai. use pariNaman chalatA hI rahatA hai. pratyek guNakA kArya AtA hai. j~nAn j~nAnarUp pariNamatA hai, Ananda AnandarUp kArya lAtA hai, j~nAn j~nAnarUp kArya lAtA hai. chAritra chAritrarUpase kArya lAtA hai. aise prabhutva, vibhutva Adi ananta guN apane-apane kArya rUp pariNamate hai.n. siddhadashAme.n bhI utpAd-vyay-dhruv svabhAvame.n hote hI rahate hai.n.

mumukShuH- kAraNashuddhaparyAy hai..

samAdhAnaH- kAraNashuddhaparyAy alag hai. siddha bhagavAname.n jo utpAd-vyay-dhruv hote

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hai.n, vah to pratyek guNakA kArya AtA hai. kAraNashuddhaparyAy to anAdi ananta hai. vah to pAriNAmikabhAvarUp shuddha hai. vah alag hai. ye to siddha bhagavAname.n utpAd-vyay- dhruv hote hI rahate hai.n. pratyek dravyame.n utpAd-vyay-dhruv hote hai.n. paramANume.n bhI hote hai.n aur siddhame.n bhI hote hai.n. kAraNashuddhaparyAy alag hai.

mumukShuH- vah to dravyakI bhA.Nti..

samAdhAnaH- dravyame.n anAdi ananta trikAl hai, vah alag hai.

mumukShuH- use dhruvakI tarah lenA?

samAdhAnaH- dhruv jaisI hai, anAdi anta hai, vah alag hai.

mumukShuH- utpAd-vyay use lAgU nahI.n paDate.

samAdhAnaH- vah nahI.n, vah to anAdi ananta dhruv hai. siddha bhagavAn svaya.n shuddharUp pariNamit ho gaye. kevalaj~nAnakI paryAy pariNamit hotI hI rahatI hai, AnandakI paryAy (AnandakA) kArya lAye. pratyek guNakI paryAy (hotI hI rahatI hai). usame.n ananta guN hai.n, ananta guNakI paryAy kArya karatI rahatI hai. usame.n aisI kriyA hotI hI rahatI hai, siddha bhagavAname.n.

mumukShuH- AnandakA vedan unhe.n hotA hai?

samAdhAnaH- AnandakA vedan Adi kriyA hotI rahatI hai. siddha bhagavAn bilakUl kUTastha nahI.n hai.

mumukShuH- sAthame.n nirmal paryAyakA pariNaman..

samAdhAnaH- nirmal paryAyakA pariNaman siddha bhagavAname.n pUrNa rUpase hotA rahatA hai. svAnubhUtime.n a.nsh pragaT huA aur siddha bhagavAname.n pUrNa kArya hotA hai.

mumukShuH- j~nAn, darshan, chAritrame.n j~nAnakI paryAy..

samAdhAnaH- darshan mukhya, koI apekShAse j~nAnako mukhya lete hai.n, koI apekShAse darshanako lete hai.n. samyagdarshan mokShamArgame.n kArya karatA hai, isaliye samyagdarshan (mukhya hai). lekin pahale mArga jAnaneke liye j~nAn hotA hai, isaliye j~nAn lete hai.n. phir muktimArgame.n samyagdarshan mukhya hai. dono.n apekShAse dono.n lete hai.n.

samadhAnaH- gurudev to gurudev the, gurudev to koI alag hI the. shAshvat rahe.n, aisI sabakI bhAvanA hotI hai. bhAvanA anusAr is kudaratake Age kisIkA kuCh nahI.n chalatA. vah bAt koI kah sakatA hai? gurudevake guNakA varNan.. gurudev to mahApuruSh is pa.ncham kAlame.n janme, mahAbhAgyakI bAt hai. sabako unakI vANI milI, koI atishayatAyukta sAtishay vANI thI. sabako AtmA dikhe aisI unakI vANI thI. bhedaj~nAn ho jAye, svaya.nke puruShArthakI mandatAse jIv aTakatA hai. bAkI unakI vANI to koI alag hI

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thI. unakA dravya tIrtha.nkarakA, is pa.nchamakAlame.n padhAre kahA.N-se? mahAbhAgya, pa.nchamakAlakA mahAbhAgya ki gurudev yahA.N padhAre. unake guNo.nkA varNan kyA kare.n? gurudev to sarvotkR^iShTa is pa.nchamakAlame.n the.

mumukShuH- praj~nA khIle to hotA hai, to praj~nA khIlAnekI kalA kaisI hotI hai?

samAdhAnaH- bhale buddhise, vichArase nakkI kare. pahale to buddhise, vichArase nakkI karanA hotA hai. chAro.n orase yuktise, nyAyase nakkI kare. lekin praj~nA to kise kahate hai.n? j~nAyakako pahachAne to use praj~nA kahate hai.n. j~nAyakako pahachAnakar ki yah mai.n j~nAyak, yahI j~nAyak hai. jis kShaN rAgAdi hote hai.n, usI kShaN yah j~nAn hai aur yah rAg hai, aise bhinna kare to yahA.N praj~nA shurU hotI hai.

mumukShuH- kShaN-kShaName.n anubhav hotA jAtA hai.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, kShaN-kShaName.n use bhedaj~nAn vartatA hI hai. use praj~nA kahate hai.n. (usake pahale) praj~nA nahI.n hai. pahale to buddhise hI nakkI karanA paDatA hai. pahale sAdhan to use buddhi hI hotI hai. buddhise nakkI kare.

mumukShuH- Age baDhaneke bAd khIlatI hai?

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, bAdame.n hotI hai. buddhi, buddhike sAth use j~nAyakakI mahimA honI chAhiye. use virakti honI chAhiye ki isame.n kahI.n bhI sukh nahI.n hai. sukh AtmAme.n hai. aisA sab honA chAhiye. jij~nAsA, bhAvanA, buddhise nakkI (karanA).

mumukShuH- jIvan utanA us rUp ho jAnA chAhiye.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N. sachchA to use bAdame.n pragaT hotA hai. pahale to buddhise nakkI karatA hai. buddhi aur buddhike sAth shuShkatA nahI.n hotI. mujhe AtmAkA karanA hai. j~nAyakakI mahimA Aye, ye sab AkUlatA hai, sukh kahI.n bhI nahI.n hai. ye vikalpakI jAlame.n sukh nahI.n hai, aise usase virAm lekar andar jAye. virAm yAnI use us jAtakA vairAgya AtA hai. aur buddhise nakkI kare.

mumukShuH- bahut kaThin hai.

samAdhAnaH- kaThin hai, lekin svaya.nkA hai. kare to ho sake aisA hai. kahI.n dUr nahI.n hai. samIp (hai), svaya.n hI hai. anAdise dUsarA abhyAs ho gayA hai isaliye kaThin lagatA hai. isakA abhyAs aisA ho jAye, aisA prayAs kare, bAra.nbAr kare to sahaj ho jAtA hai. parantu dUsarA abhyAs jyAdA hai aur yah abhyAs kam hai, isaliye kaThin lagatA hai.

mumukShuH- bAhar khi.NchA jAtA hai.

samAdhAnaH- bAhar khi.NchAv rahatA hai. us prakArakA parichay ho gayA, isaliye

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aisA hotA hai. usake liye satsa.ng Adi ho to hotA hai. to yah sa.nskAr dR^iDh rahe. vahA.N mu.nbaIme.n dUsare kShetrame.n pharka paDatA hai na. vahA.N mandir Ane-jAnekA hotA hogA? karate raho, nakkI karo. bAharame.n sab khaDA ho jAtA hai na, kShetra badale to sab parichay badal jAtA hai. svaya.nkI utanI dR^iDhatA honI chAhiye. svaya.nko puruShArtha karanA chAhiye.

gurudevane sab upadesh diyA hai. Ap logo.nne upadesh bahut bAr sunA hogA. bachapaname.n upadesh sunA hogA, vah sab yAd karanA. gurudev is kAlame.n padhAre, mahAbhAgyakI bAt! aise sat svarUpakI pahachAn karavAne vAle pa.nchamakAlame.n koI nahI.n thA, gurudev padhAre to sabako yah sat svarUp jAnane milA. mArga gurudevane batAyA.

mumukShuH- ... anya kisIkI rAh dekhanI nahI.n paDe, is thoDA (spaShTa kIjiye).

samAdhAnaH- jarUrat nahI.n paDe arthAt dravya-vastu use kahate hai.n ki, vastu svaya.n svAdhIn hai. vastu svaya.n svataHsiddha hai. use kisIne banAyI nahI.n hai. dravya svarUp svaya.n dravya hI hai. usake kAryake liye bAharase kuCh Aye to kArya ho, aisA dravya nahI.n hotA. dravya svata.ntra hotA hai. usakA kArya-usakI pariNati andar pragaT ho, vah svata.ntra hotI hai. use koI sAdhan Aye yA bAharake koI sAdhan mile to usakA kArya ho, aisA nahI.n hotA. usake kAryakI taiyArI andar ho to sAdhan to hAjir hI hote hai.n. usIkA nAm dravya hai ki usake liye koI parAdhInatA nahI.n hotI. vah svaya.n svAdhIn ho, use hI dravya kahate hai.n. usake kAryake liye kisIkI rAh nahI.n dekhanI paDatI. aisA usakA artha hai. ananta shaktivAn hai.

chakravartI rAjA use kahe.n ki sab R^iddhi usake pAs ho. usakI R^iddhike liye kisIkA i.ntajAr nahI.n karanA paDe. chakravartI aisA hotA hai. vaise yah chakravartI rAjA, usake kAryake liye anya kisIkI jarUrat nahI.n paDatI, anya sAdhano.nkI. svaya.n sarva sAmarthyavAn hai. pratyek dravya. ab kyA karanA? ab yah sAdhan nahI.n hai, to kaise Age baDhA jAyegA? svaya.n taiyAr ho to sab sAdhan hote hI hai. apanI taiyArI honI chAhiye. svaya.n svata.ntra pariNAmI dravya hai. usIkA nAm dravya kahate hai.n.

mumukShuH- sachet aur achet, dono.nme.n ..

samAdhAnaH- nahI.n, nahI.n, vah nahI.n. svaya.n svaya.nke liye svata.ntra hai. dUsareke liye nahI.n, dUsareke liye nahI.n.

mumukShuH- nahI.n, achet jaD dravya hai..

samAdhAnaH- svata.ntra hai. jaD jaDame.n svata.ntra, chetan chetaname.n svata.ntra. sab svata.ntra hI hai. paramANu svaya.n svata.ntra. sab svata.ntra hai.n. dharmAsti, adharmAsti sab dravya svata.ntra hai.n. usake kAryake liye kisI bhI dravyakI kisIko jarUrat nahI.n hai. sAdhano.nko nimitta-naimittik

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sambandha hai. bAkI use kisIke liye rAh nahI.n dekhanI paDatI. pratyek dravyame.n pratyek svata.ntra hai. usake dravya-guN-paryAy svaya.n svata.ntra pariNamate hai.n. usakA nAm hI dravya hai, nahI.n to dravya kaisA? svata.ntra dravya (hai). vaisA parAdhIn dravya jagatame.n hotA hI nahI.n. gurudev kahate the na? bhagavAn AtmA hai. svata.ntra hai. (dravyame.n) kuCh kam nahI.n hotA, sab pUrA hI hotA hai. vah to puNya hai, ye to svata.ntra dravya hai.

mumukShuH- bahinashrI! aisA hai kyA, ek bAr anubhUti ho, phir vah jab chAhe tab anubhUti kar sake? chAbI hAth lag gayI, jab chAhe tab anubhUti kare.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, kar sake. svaya.n andar virakta ho tab kar sake. bAharase upayog svarUpame.n sameT lenA vah apane hAthakI bAt hai. svaya.nke puruShArthakI mandatAse bAhar aTakA hai. koI use rokatA nahI.n. usakI bhAvanA ugra ho ... bhAvanA ugra ho ki svarUpame.n hI lIn honA hai, to ho sakatA hai. mArga usane jAnA hai. bhAvanA ugra ho ki svarUpame.n lIn honA hai, bAharame.n nahI.n rukanA hai, to ho sakatA hai. use koI rokatA nahI.n. svaya.nke puruShArthakI mandatAse aTakatA hai. lInatAme.n Age nahI.n baDhatA to apane puruShArthakI mandatAke kAraNa.

samyagdarshan honeke bAd turanta koI shreNI lagAtA hai. ChaThThA-sAtavA.N (guNasthAn) munidashA ekadam AtI hai, kisIko der lagatI hai. svaya.nkI kamIke kAraN hai. phir kahaneme.n AtA hai ki karmakA uday hai, vah sab kahaneko (kahate hai.n), andar svaya.nke puruShArthakI mandatAke kAraN aTakA hai.

mumukShuH- ... andar bhAvanAkI ugratA..

samAdhAnaH- svaya.nkI bhAvanAkI ugratA ho to svaya.n a.ntarame.n lIn ho sakatA hai, koI use rok nahI.n sakatA.

mumukShuH- aisA koI niyam nahI.n hai ki ek mahineme.n ek hI bAr nirvikalpa ho, pa.ndrah diname.n ho, jaisI svaya.nkI bhAvanA...

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, svaya.nkI ugratA anusAr hotA hai. usame.n niyam nahI.n hai. parantu usakI bhUmikA yogya hotA hai. ChaThThe-sAtave.n guNasthAname.n munidashAme.n jo hotA hai, vah dashA use gR^ihasthAshramame.n nahI.n A sakatI. kyo.nki vah bAharame.n jyAdA rukA hai. muni usaprakArase bAharame.n nahI.n ruke hai.n, unhe.n turanta (nirvikalpatA) hotI hai. gR^ihasthAshramame.n usakA niyam munidashA jitanA (nahI.n ho sakatA), bhAvanA ho to bhI munidashA jitanA nahI.n ho sakatA. utanA vah ChUT nahI.n sakatA. parantu usakA niyam nahI.n hai. ek mahineme.n ho, pa.ndrah diname.n ho, usase bhI jaldI ho. aisA koI niyam nahI.n hai. kisIko pa.ndrah din, mahiname.n, kisIko usase bhI jaldI hotA hai. aisA koI niyam nahI.n hai. kisIkI ugra dhArA

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ho to usase bhI jaldI hotA hai. lekin munidashA jitanA nahI.n.

mumukShuH- ek saptAhame.n ho, chAr diname.n ho...

samAdhAnaH- jaisI usakI pariNatikI ugratA ho us anusAr ho sakatA hai.

mumukShuH- yadi ugratA adhik ho to jyAdA der tak tattva chi.ntavan chalatA hai, ugratA nahI.n ho to...

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, vikalpa sahit hai, usakI ugratA anusAr tattva chi.ntavan chalatA hai. nahI.n to usakA upayog palaT jAtA hai.

mumukShuH- usame.n puruShArtha hI kAraN hai.

samAdhAnaH- puruShArthakA kAraN hai. karma to nimitta hai, vah to anAdikA abhyAs hai isaliye dauDA jAtA hai. parantu apanI ugratA yadi tattva chi.ntavaname.n ho to us anusAr rahatA hai. ise to Dor usake hAthame.n hai. apane kAraNase rukA hai.