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samAdhAnaH- ... juD rahA hai, isaliye yah sab ho rahA hai. parantu nishchayase vastu svabhAvase jaise siddha bhagavAn hai.n, vaise hI sabakA AtmA hai. koI pharka hI nahI.n hai.

mumukShuH- paryAyakA pahalu atya.nt gauN rahatA hai.

samAdhAnaH- paryAyako gauN karake dravyadR^iShTike balame.n AchAryadev bol rahe hai.n. dravyadR^iShTij~nake balame.n, AtmAko pahachAnanA ho to dravyadR^iShTise dravyase-dravya svarUpase AtmA vaisA hI hai. dravya svarUpase pratyek AtmA vaise hI hai.n. dravyadR^iShTike balame.n paryAy gauN ho jAtI hai. siddha bhagavAn jaise hI sab AtmA hai.n. kis nayase, kuCh pharka nahI.n dikhAI detA. tattvake andar tattva dR^iShTise dekhatA hU.N, tattvame.n koI AtmAme.n kuCh pharka nahI.n hai. paryAyako gauN kar dI hai. paryAy hai hI nahI.n, lekin use gauN kar dI hai.

anAdise ashuddha jIv to mAnatA hI AyA hai, shuddha svarUp svaya.nkA pahachAnA nahI.n, shuddha svarUpako pahachAne to Age jAtA hai. lekin shuddha svarUp us prakArase pahachAne ki usame.n paryAy aur dravya dono.nko jAne, lekin bal dravyadR^iShTikA AtA hai. paryAyame.n bhI ashuddhatA nahI.n hai vaisA artha vahA.N nahI.n hai.

mumukShuH- paryAyame.n ashuddhatA hai to phir use bhrAnti kyo.n kahA?

samAdhAnaH- bhrAnti yAnI jUThA hai, aisA artha nahI.n hai. ashuddhatA hai vah usakI bhrAnti yAnI merA AtmA par svarUp ho gayA aur mai.n par svarUp ho gayA, vah bhrAnti hai, vah to bhrAnti hI hai na. vastu svarUp jaisA hai vaisA mAnatA nahI.n hai aur jUThI rItase mAnatA hai to bhrAnti hai. bhrAnti hai vah ashuddhatA hai. bhrAnti yAnI ye sab ekAnta hai, shuddha hai bAkI sab mAyA hai, aisA usakA artha nahI.n hai. aisA nahI.n hai. bhrAnti bhI ashuddhatA hai. bhrAntike kAraN sab ashuddhatA, asthiratA aur jUThA mAn le ki kuCh nahI.n hai yAnI paryAyame.n ashuddhatA... aisA jUThA svarUp mAn liyA hai isaliye bhrAnti hai. dravya jaisA hai vaisA nahI.n mAnatA, yah usakI bhrAnti hai. mAno merA dravya par rUp ho gayA, mAno par mujhame.n A gaye. vah sab jUThA hai. vastu svarUpase viparIt mAne isaliye vah bhrAnti hai. vastuko yathArtha mAne binA muktikA mArga prAra.nbh nahI.n hotA. dravya jaisA hai vaisA, paryAy jaisI hai vaisI (mAne).

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... munidashA hai. svaya.nko hI andar bal vartatA hai, us balame.nse bolet hai.n. vastu svarUp jaisA hai vaisA bolate hai.n, dravyadR^iShTise.

mumukShuH- sAdhanAko adhik veg mile, dravyadR^iShTikA jor ho to sAdhanAko adhik veg mile aisA hai?

samAdhAnaH- bolanese veg mile aisA artha nahI.n hai. AchAryako bhAvanA AyI hai isaliye bolate hai.n. bolanese veg (nahI.n AtA). veg to andar pariNatime.n hai.

mumukShuH- pariNatime.n utanA jor ho to...

samAdhAnaH- muktike mArga vAleko dravyadR^iShTikA bal hotA hai, usakA jor hotA hai. lekin vah jor aisA nahI.n hotA ki us jorakA vaisA atirek yA paryAyakA niShedh ho jAye. aisA bal nahI.n hotA. bal hotA hai. dravyadR^iShTike balame.n Age baDhatA hai, lekin vah bal aisA bal nahI.n hotA. bhAShAme.n kuCh bhI bole, mai.n kis nayase jAnU.N? kahI.n bhed nahI.n dikhAI detA, aisA kahe, lekin usakI pariNatime.n to usakA bal jo yathAsthit muktike mArgame.n jaisA hotA hai vaisA hI rahatA hai.

mumukShuH- kathaname.n to aisA lage ki mAno ekAnta (ho gayA).

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, ekAnta jaisA lage. muktike mArgame.n bal yathAsthit jaisA hai vaisA lete hai.n. aisI koI bhAvanA Aye to aisA bole. koI aise prashna karane vAle ho, aisA koI upadeshakA prasa.ng bane, koI shAstra likhate ho.n, unhe.n bhAvanA ho aur vaisA kuCh kahe isaliye (j~nAn nahI.n badal jAtA). mArga andarame.n yathArtha vastutAse hai. bole yAnI kuCh ekAnta kahanA chAhate hai.n, aisA artha nahI.n hai. dravyadR^iShTike balake sAth unhe.n j~nAn barAbar hotA hai. ve bole isaliye usame.nse koI binA samajhe ekAnta khI.Nch le to vah usakI svaya.nkI yogyatA hai.

dravyadR^iShTikA bal itanA ho jAye ki paryAy hai hI nahI.n aisA mAn le to sAdhanAko bahut bal milatA hai, aisA usakA artha nahI.n hai. lInatAme.n bal, Ashrayame.n bal, usakA bal AtA hai. koI bAr AchAryadevako bhAvanA Aye to aisA bole, kis nayase bhed jAnU.N? sab shuddha hai.

mumukShuH- vyavahAranayakA viShay hI mAno nahI.n hai, vyavahAranay hai hI nahI.n, kathaname.n to aisA lage.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, kathaname.n (aisA lage ki) mAno vyavahAr hai hI nahI.n. ek or AchAryadev kahe, are..re..! yah vyavahAr nay bhUmikAme.n bIchame.n hastAvalamban tulya AtA hai, are..re..! khed hai. use lenA paDatA hai, aisA kahe. aur ek or aisA kahe ki, mai.n shuddha chinmAtra mUrti hU.N, parantu merI pariNati kalmAShit mailI ho rahI hai. isaliye

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is TIkAkI rachanAme.n merI pariNati shuddha hoo. aisA bole. vahA.N mAno khed hotA hai ki, are..! is vyavahArame.n kahA.N A gaye? phir yahA.N aisA kahe. mAno kathanI karanese merI shuddhi hotI ho, aisA bole. andar shuddhi to unakI pariNati dravyadR^iShTi hai, chinmAtra mUrti andar jo hai usakI dravyadR^iShTikA bal hai aur andar lInatA baDhatI jAye. usase shuddhi hotI hai. to kahate hai.n, is TIkAse merI pariNati shuddha hoo, aisA bolate hai.n. AchAryadevakA Ashay grahaN karanA, andar samajhakar Ashay karane jaisA hai.

mumukShuH- kathanako koI ekAntame.n khI.Nch le to nahI.n chalatA.

samAdhAnaH- ekAntame.n khI.Nch le to bhUl hotI hai. dUsarI orakA khyAl rakhanA chAhiye. AchAryadevane kyo.n is par vajan diyA hai.

mumukShuH- tamAm siddha shuddha guN-paryAy vAle hai.n, aisA shabdaprayog kiyA hai.

samAdhAnaH- shuddha guN-paryAy vAle hai.n. dravyadR^iShTime.n sabakuCh kah sakate hai.n. kuCh dikhatA hI nahI.n, sab shuddha guN-paryAy vAle siddha jaise hai.n, aisA kahaneme.n Aye. yahA.N j~nAname.n khyAl hai. pramatta-apramatta nahI.n hU.N, mai.n to ek j~nAyak hI hU.N. har bAr j~nAyak hI hU.N. pramatta-apramatta dashA nahI.n hai, aisA AchAryadev kahanA nahI.n chAhate. bhUmikA to hai, lekin mai.n to ek j~nAyak hI hU.N. bhUmikAme.n khaDe hai.n, phir bhI mai.n to ek j~nAyak hI hU.N, aisA kahate hai.n.

j~nAyak yAnI ChaThThI-sAtavI.n bhUmikA nahI.n hai, aisA nahI.n kahanA chAhate. us bhUmikAme.n khaDA hU.N, phir bhI mai.n j~nAyak hI hU.N. isaliye sAdhanAkI bhUmikA hI nahI.n hai, aisA nahI.n kahanA chAhate. dravyadR^iShTikA bal aisA hai ki andar vah sab AtA hai. paryAyako gauN karatA jAtA hai. lekin paryAy hai hI nahI.n, aisA nahI.n kahanA chAhate. svabhAvame.n andar ashuddhatAkA pravesh nahI.n huA hai, aisA kahe. sab shuddha hI hai, shuddha dekhate hai.n. paryAyako ekadam gauN kar dete hai.n.

ananta kAlase dravya svarUpako nahI.n pahachAnA, bhrAntike kAraN sab parake sAth mishrit hokar mAno.n mai.n parako karu.N aur par merA kare, aisI anAdi kAlase bhrAnti (chalatI hai). aisI ashuddhatA, vaisI bhrAnti aur ashuddhatA use ho rahI hai. use us prakArakI asthiratA aur bhrAnti dono.n hote hai.n. usame.nse ChUTaneke liye ananta kAlase ChUTatA nahI.n. jIvane dravya-vastuko pahachAnA nahI.n hai.

dravyadR^iShTike bal binA vah Age nahI.n baDhatA. isaliye AchAryadev dravyadR^iShTike balase samajhAte hai.n ki isakI mahimA to kar, is par tujhe ananta kAlase vajan bhI nahI.n AtA to tU terA svarUp pahachAna. to usame.nse terI shuddha paryAy pragaT ho. lekin mUl astitvako grahaN kiye binA, aise hI tIvra kaShAy aur manda kaShAy, shubhAshubhame.n ghUmatA

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rahatA hai. mUl svarUpako to pahachAna. isaliye usake balase, usake jorase kahate hai.n. aur vastu svarUp bhI aisA hI hai ki dravyadR^iShTike bal binA Age nahI.n baDhatA. bAhar vyavahArame.n aise hI karatA rahatA hai, usame.n hI sab sAph karatA rahatA hai. tIvrame.nse manda, mandame.nse tIvra karatA rahatA hai. parantu dravyadR^iShTike balame.n usakA niShedh nahI.n ho jAye usakA dhyAn rakhanA. kyo.nki vah hai.

dravyadR^iShTi kyo.n pragaT karanI hai? ki svaya.n bhrAntime.n khaDA hai. usakA dhyAn rakhanA hai. usame.nse sAdhanA pragaT karanI hai. kisake dvArA, kis mArgase yah pragaT hotA hai? ki dravyadR^iShTike Alambanase, dravyake Alambanase pragaT hotA hai. usake Alamban binA pragaT nahI.n hotA. apanI bAt jIvane anAdi kAlame.n sunI nahI.n hai aur usakI ruchi nahI.n kI hai, parichayame.n AyI nahI.n, aisA AchAryadev kahate hai.n. svaya.n hI hai. svarUpame.n ekatva aur parase vibhakta, vibhAvase vibhakta bhinna hai, use pahachAna.

samAdhAnaH- .. vah mithyAtvake sAth hote hai.n, isaliye use baDA pAp kahA hai.

mumukShuH- vAstavame.n mithyAtva baDA pAp hai.

samAdhAnaH- mithyAtva baDA pAp hai. jisake pariNAm binA a.nkUshake hai.n, jisame.n sAt vyasan Adi a.nkUsh binAke pariNAm hai.n, use baDA pAp kahA hai. jise jUThI bhrAnti hai, mithyAtvake sAth ye sAt vyasan hai.n, usake pariNAmame.n a.nkUsh nahI.n hai. isaliye sAt vyasan baDA pAp hai, aisA kahaneme.n AtA hai.

samyagdarshan jise hotA hai use vibhAvakA ras Utar jAtA hai. AtmAme.n ras lagatA hai, j~nAyakakI pariNati pragaT huI, use svarUpakI or pariNati (pragaT huI). svarUpakI maryAdAse bAhar nahI.n jAtA. mithyAtva bhrAnti hai usake sAth yah sab pAp hai, isaliye use baDA pAp kahA hai. bAkI to mithyAtva baDA pAp hai. usake sAth aise a.nkUsh binAke pariNAm hai.n, isaliye baDA pAp hai, aisA kahA hai.

vyavahAr mAtra, jisakA vyavahAr achChA ho use vyasan nahI.n hotA. samyagdarshanakI to bAt hI alag hai, jisakA vyavahAr achChA hai, vyavahArase vyavahAr dharmakI shraddhA ho to bhI use sapta vyasan nahI.n hote. shrAvako.nko vah sapta vyasan shobhate nahI.n. vyavahAr dharma jo svIkArate hai.n, vahA.N bhI sapta vyasan nahI.n hote.

mumukShuH- prashna to yah kiyA ki, siddhAntame.n sapta vyasanase mithyAtvako baDA kahA hai. vah bhI pAp to hai hI, lekin usase baDA pAp mithyAtvakA hai.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, mithyAtva baDA pAp hai.

mumukShuH- mithyAtvakA sevan ho aur bhale sapta vyasan nahI.n ho, to bhI vah baDA pAp kar rahA hai.

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samAdhAnaH- pAp to hai, hA.N, baDA hai. sapta vyasanase bhI mithyAtva baDA pAp hai. yathArtha vastu svarUpako pahachAnatA nahI.n. jUThI bhrAntime.n paDA hai. vastu svarUpako TeDhA- meDhA, jaise-taise svIkAratA hai, isaliye baDA pAp hai. andar svarUpakA ghAt karatA hai, baDA pAp hai.

mumukShuH- Ashcharya to isaliye lage ki bAharame.n shikAr karatA ho..

samAdhAnaH- bAharase hi.nsA Adi karatA ho to vah pApI dikhatA hai ki ye pAp kar rahA hai, aisA dikhe. andarame.n jo ho rahA hai, vah use dikhAI nahI.n detA. isaliye vah pAp nahI.n dikhatA. bAharame.n sthUl dikhatA hai na, isaliye vah pAp dikhAI detA hai. ... baDA pAp hai. yathArtha nahI.n hai, vastu svarUpako viparIt rUpase samajhatA hai, svarUpakA ghAt ho rahA hai isaliye baDA pAp hai. (aisA kahA) isaliye vyasan karaneme.n koI bAdhA nahI.n hai, aisA artha nahI.n hai. lekin vah vyasan mithyAtvake sAth hI sambandha rakhatA hai. isaliye vyasan to mumukShuko bhI nahI.n hote.

mumukShuH- nishchay aur vyavahAr, dono.n sAthame.n hote hai.n yA alag-alag hote hai.n?

samAdhAnaH- dono.n sAthame.n hote hai.n. yathArtha nishchay aur yathArtha vyavahAr, dono.n sAthame.n hote hai.n. bAkI ye jo vyavahAr kahA jAtA hai, jo dharmakA vyavahAr kahA jAtA hai, dharmakA vyavahArase svIkAr kiyA, vah vyavahAr to nishchayapUrvakakA vyavahAr nahI.n hai. vah to vyavahAramAtra vyavahAr hai. use vyavahAr nAm diyA jAtA hai. bAkI a.ntarame.n yathArtha nishchay-vyavahAr sAthame.n hoete hai.n. j~nAyakakI pariNati pragaT ho, vahA.N paryAyakA vyavahAr, shuddha paryAyake sAth dev-guru-shAstrake pariNAm jo shubhabhAv Adi hote hai.n. a.ntarame.n jo pariNatime.n hai, vah nishchay-vyavahAr sAthame.n hote hai.n. shuddha pariNatikA vyavahAra. usakI bhUmikA anusAr shubhabhAv hote hai.n, vah sab usake sAth yathArtha rUpase hote hai.n. bAkI anAdikA jo vyavahAr hai, vah rUDhigatarUpase vyavahAr hotA hai. akelA vyavahAr hotA hai. vyavahArAbhAs kahate hai.n.

mumukShuH- shubhabhAvako vyavahAr nAm mAtra (kahA).

samAdhAnaH- nAmamAtra hai. shubhabhAvako vyavahAr (kahA). usakI yathArthapane sAdhakadashA pragaT huyI ho use kahate hai.n. bAkI vyavahAr nAm diyA jAtA hai. lekin jab tak nahI.n hotA hai tab tak ashuddha bhAvase bachaneko shubhabhAv Ate hai.n. jij~nAsAkI bhUmikAme.n bhI shubhabhAv hote hai.n. jij~nAsA ho, jise sachche dev-guru-shAstrakI shraddhA ho, use bhI sapta vyasan nahI.n hote. AtmAkI jij~nAsAke sAth dev-guru-shAstrako grahaN kare. AtmAko kaise pahachAnA jAye? guru kyA kahate hai.n? dev kyA kahate hai.n? sabakA Ashay samajhanA chAhiye. anAdikA anajAnA mArga dev-guru-shAstrake binA samajhame.n nahI.n AtA. aur aisA

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nimitta-naimittik sambandha hai. anAdikA anajAnA mArga, pahale use dev yA guru mile, use upadesh mile, unakI deshanA mile. a.ntarame.n koI apUrvatA jAgR^it ho to deshanAlabdhi hotI hai. to a.ntarame.n aisA nimitta-naimittik sambandha hai. bAharase guru yA dev mile, unakA upadesh use apUrva lage ki ye kuCh alag kahate hai.n. andarame.n aisI apUrvatA pragaT ho, ... aur muktike mArga par muDatA hai.

mumukShuH- ..apUrva pragaT kare yAnI?

samAdhAnaH- use apUrvatA lage ki ye kuCh alag kahate hai.n. andar use aisI deshanA grahaN ho jAtI hai. andar deshanA labdhi hotI hai. apUrvapane use apUrvatA lag jAye ki kuCh alag hai. aisI koI andarame.n apUrvatA pragaT ho vah use mAlUm nahI.n hai, andar deshanA labdhi hotI hai. apragaT hotI hai.

mumukShuH- vah to Apane kahA vah samajhame.n AyA ki bAharase apUrvatA lage aur a.ntarame.n..

samAdhAnaH- a.ntarame.n use apUrvatA lage. aisI usakI pariNati (ho jAtI hai). a.ntarame.n ye kuCh alag hai, aisA use laganA chAhiye. deshanA isaprakAr grahaN honI chAhiye. a.ntarakI bAt hai aur yah svarUp kuCh alag hai, AtmA koI alag kahate hai.n, AtmA koI apUrva anupam kahate hai.n, isaliye use dev-guru-shAstrakI mahimAke sAth AtmAkI kuCh mahimA, aisI koI apUrvatA a.ntarame.n lage. deshanA aisI grahaN ho jAtI hai, us vakta use pragaT nahI.n hai, lekin use a.ntarame.nse usakI pariNati us or, jab-jab deshanA mile tab use andar kuCh alag kArya karanA hai, aisA a.ntarame.nse (lagatA hai). deshanA ho to avashya use us or pariNati (jAtI hI hai). kabhI bhI, bhale samay lage parantu apanI or muDe binA rahe nahI.n. aisI deshanA grahaN ho jAtI hai. upadesh mile vah deshanA nahI.n hai, a.ntarame.n ho to deshanA hai. a.ntarame.n grahaN kare to deshanA hai. .. laganA chAhiye.