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samAdhAnaH- ... sharIr bhinna, bhinna tattva, andar vibhAvaparyAy vah apanA svabhAv nahI.n hai. usase bhinna AtmAkA svabhAv hai, usakA bhedaj~nAn karake j~nAyakako pahachAnanA vahI hai.

mumukShuH- ... bahut kam TikatA hai na? vah Tikaneke liye kyA karanA? j~nAyakako hI j~ney banA de, vah kaise karanA? vah chAbI batAIye Apa.

samAdhAnaH- usakI lagan lage, usakI jij~nAsA jAge, puruShArtha bAra.nbAr-bAra.nbAr usakI or jAya. vichAr kare andar kI ye jo j~nAyak jAnanevAlA hai vahI mai.n hU.N. andar jo vichAr Ate hai.n ki yah j~nAn hai, darshan hai, chAritra hai, aise guNabhedake vichAr bhI Aye. parantu mai.n to ek akhaNDa j~nAyak hU.N. usame.n Tikaneke liye, na Tike to bAra.nbAr usakA vichAr kare, bAra.nbAr abhyAs kare. abhyAs karate-karate andar jo svabhAv hai vah grahaN hotA hai ki ye j~nAnasvabhAv hai vahI mai.n hU.N. j~nAyak svabhAv jo dikhe, rAgake sAth mishratA dikhatI hai, lekin vah j~nAn bhinna hai. j~nAn jo dikhatA hai vah dravyake AdhArase hai. dravyake AdhArase vah svabhAv hai. vahA.N usakI dR^iShTi jAy to vah grahaN ho.

mumukShuH- bhAvak, bhAvakarUpase TikatA nahI.n.

samAdhAnaH- bhAvak svaya.n TikatA nahI.n hai, puruShArthase Tike. ChAChame.n makkhan mishra hotA hai. lekin usakA manthan karate-karate bhinna paDatA hai. vaise anAdise bhrAnti aisI ho rahI hai ki mAno mai.n vibhAvake mishra ho gayA. parantu anAdise tattva to bhinna hI hai. lekin bhrAntike kAraN mishra bhAsatA hai. bArabAr svabhAvako grahaN karake, mai.n bhinna hU.N, aisI dR^iShTi kare, aisI pratIt kare to us or pariNati-lInatA pragaT ho. aisA svaya.nko puruShArtha karanA chAhiye. vah na ho tabatak, makkhan bhinna na paD jAy tab tak bAra.nbAr- bAra.nbAr usakA abhyAs, ma.nthan karate hI rahanA hai.

mumukShuH- isaliye aisA hI karatA rahatA hU.N ki pramatta nahI.n hU.N, apramatta nahI.n hU.N. mai.n ek j~nAyakabhAv hU.N.

samAdhAnaH- pramatta bhI nahI.n hai, apramatta bhI nahI.n hai, ek j~nAyakabhAv hai. dR^iShTi

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to AchAryadevane batAyI ki ChaThave.n-sAtave.n guNasthAname.n munirAj kundakundAchArya jhulate the. to bhI kahate hai.n ki ye pramattadashA yA apramattadashA, dono.n dashAse bhinna mai.n to ek j~nAyak hU.N. dono.n paryAyake bhed hai.n. dR^iShTi to vahA.N karanI hai.

AchAryadev samyagdarshanakI bhUmikAse Age gaye. chAritrakI bhUmikA, munikI dashAme.n hai.n. ChaThave.n-sAtave.n guNasthAname.n unhe.n bAra.nbAr svAnubhUti pragaT hotI hai. nirvikalpa dashA munirAjako, kundakundAchAryako, jo munirAjo.nko ChaThave-sAtave.n guNasthAname.n a.ntarmuhUrta-a.ntarmuhUrtake kAlame.n kShaN-kShaName.n svAnubhUti pragaT hotI hai. kShaName.n a.ntarame.n Aye, kShaName.n bAhar Aye. kShaName.n a.ntarame.n jAy, kShaName.n bAhar Ate hai.n. bAhar Aye tab shubhake vichAr Ate hai.n, yA shAstra likhanekA, yA devakA, yA gurukA.

mumukShuH- un sabako vikalpa kahate hai.n?

samAdhAnaH- vah vikalpa hai.n. bAhar Aye vah vikalpa hai. hA.N. jo shubhabhAv Aye vah vikalpa hai.n. aur a.ntarame.n vikalpa ChUTakar nirvikalpa dashA (hotI hai), vikalpa ChUT jAy aur a.ntarame.n nirvikalpa dashA hotI hai tab koI vikalpa nahI.n rahate.

mumukShuH- vikalpa hai vahI kartA hai, vikalpa hI karma hai. amR^itachandrAchAryadevane kahA hai na? vikalpa kartA, vikalpa karma, ek shlok hai.

samAdhAnaH- vikalpa kartA, vikalpa karma, sab vikalpa hai. parantu us vikalpase ChUTakar a.ntarame.n jAy, vahA.N unhe.n svAnubhUti hotI hai. to vah nirvikalpa dashA hai. vah nirvikalpa dashA shUnya nahI.n hai. parantu vah andar svabhAvase labAlab bharA hai.

mumukShuH- vah TikatI hai?

samAdhAnaH- hA.N. vah Tike. unhe.n a.ntarmuhUrta dashA TikatI hai. phir bAhar Ate hai.n. a.ntarmuhUrta yAnI amuk kShaN TikatI hai. phir bAhar Ate hai.n. vikalpame.n phir bAhar Aye vahA.N shAstrake, guruke, devake aise vikalpa (Ate hai.n). munirAjako to aise vikalpa (hote haiai.n). gR^ihasthAshramame.n ho, use anek jAtake vikalpa (Ate hai.n). munirAjako to dev-guru-shAstrakA (vikalpa AtA hai).

mumukShuH- munirAjase Age...?

samAdhAnaH- munidashAse Age jAy to use kevalaj~nAn ho jAya.

mumukShuH- vah nirvikalpa dashA.

samAdhAnaH- basa. munidashAme.n kShaN-kShaName.n nirvikalpa dashA hotI hai. svAnubhUti. aur us nirvikalpa dashAme.n yadi Tik jAy, nirvikalpa dashA kShaNamAtra hotI hai, kShaName.n bAhar Ate hai.n. svAnubhUti kShaName.n ho aur kShaName.n bAhar Aye. to yadi ve svAnubhUtime.n aise hI shAshvat Tik jAy to kevalaj~nAn ho jAtA hai. to pUrNa-pUrNa dashA parAkAShTA (ho

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jAtI hai). phir usase Age (koI dashA) nahI.n hai. pUrNa AnandasAgarame.n Dole aur kevalaj~nAn pragaT ho jAy ki jo lokAlokakA j~nAn (karatA hai). vahA.N jAnane nahI.n jAtA, parantu sahaj jAnaneme.n A jAtA hai. vah dashA pragaT hotI hai.

mumukShuH- jo kShaN-kShaName.n vikalpame.n Aye, nirvikalpame.n chale jAy, use kevalaj~nAn kShaName.n... jis kShaN nirvikalpa dashAme.n ho us vakta kevalaj~nAn hotA hai?

samAdhAnaH- nahI.n, us samay kevalaj~nAn nahI.n hotA hai. nirvikalpa dashAke samay (nahI.n hotA). kevalaj~nAn to jo pUrNa vItarAg ho use kevalaj~nAn hotA hai. jisakI dashA bAhar AnekI hotI hai, use kevalaj~nAn nahI.n hotA. use matij~nAn, shrutaj~nAn hotA hai. kisIko avadhij~nAn, kisIko manaHparyayaj~nAn aisA hotA hai. parantu kevalaj~nAn to jo vItarAgI hote hai.n, unako hI kevalaj~nAn hotA hai.

mumukShuH- to phir vah to bArahave.nke bAd hI Aye na?

samAdhAnaH- bArahave.n guNasthAnake bAd kevalaj~nAn hotA hai. parantu ChaThave.n-sAtave.n guNasthAname.n munidashAme.n jhulate ho.n, usame.n shreNi lagA de. lekin vah shreNI aisI hotI hai ki a.ntarmuhUrtame.n do ghaDIme.n use pUrNa anubhav ho jAtA hai. ye A.nshik hai. muniko visheSh anubhav (hai). aur gR^ihasthAshramame.n jo samyagdR^iShTi ho, jise samyagdarshan ho, use svAnubhUti koI-koI bAr hotI hai. aur muniko kShaN-kShaName.n svAnubhUti hotI hai. muniko jaldI-jaldI hotI hai. aur gR^ihasthAshramame.n samyagdR^iShTi ho, use AtmAkI svAnubhUti hotI hai. jise samyagdarshan ho (use). parantu use svAnubhUti kabhI-kabhI hotI hai. aur jo muni hote hai.n, unako jaldI- jaldI hotI hai. aur jise kevalaj~nAn hotA hai, use Tik jAtA hai.

mumukShuH- gR^ihasthIko jo samyagdarshan hotA hai, vah pratyakSha hotA hai ki parokSha hotA hai?

samAdhAnaH- samyagdR^iShTiko? kevalaj~nAnakI apekShAse vah parokSha hai, parantu usakA vedan jo svAnubhUti hai, use vedan to pratyakSha hai. use svAnubhUti aisI hotI hai ki kisIko pUChanA na paDe. use AtmAme.n aisA hI hotA hai ki, yahI svAnubhUti hai. use A.nshik, jo siddha bhagavAnako pUrNa AtmAkA svAd, AtmAkA anubhav pUrNa hotA hai, usakA a.nsh use pragaT hotA hai, pUrNa nahI.n hai. jaise dUjakA chandramA hotA hai vah pUrA hotA hai, parantu usakI dUj ugatI hai. vaise samyagdR^iShTiko ek a.nsh pragaT hotA hai. A.nshik svAnubhUti hotI hai. pUrNa svAnubhUti nahI.n hai. AnandakA sAgar pUrNa ho usame.n-se use a.nsh pragaT hotA hai, gR^ihasthAshramame.n.

mumukShuH- us a.nshako pUrNa banAnA ho to..

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, to bAra.nbAr-bAra.nbAr usakI svAnubhUti (karatA hai).

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mumukShuH- gR^ihasthAshramame.n gir jAy, samyagdarshaname.n-se mithyAdarshanI ho jAy, ho sakatA hai?

samAdhAnaH- koI ho jAtA hai. koI palaT jAy, puruShArtha manda ho jAy to punaH mithyAdarshan ho jAya. parantu jise puruShArtha ekadam tIvra ho, use palaTatA nahI.n.

mumukShuH- rAjachandrajIne kahA hai ki ek bAr yadi samyagdarshan huA to vah giratA nahI.n.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, bahubhAg nahI.n giratA. giratA nahI.n hai usakA artha kyA?

mumukShuH- use pa.ndrah bhavame.n jAnA hI paDe.

samAdhAnaH- ekabAr jise samyagdarshan hotA hai, vah pa.ndrah bhavame.n avashya mokSha jAtA hai. vah giratA nahI.n hai, usake liye. aur usase jyAdA bAr gir jAy to ardha pudagal parAvartan kAlame.n to avashya mokShame.n jAtA hai. ek bAr jise samyagdarshan hotA hai vaha. isaliye vah to ardha pudagal parAvartana. aur jo nahI.n giratA hai, vah pa.ndrah bhavame.n jAtA hai. aur jo gir jAtA hai ardha pudgalaparAvartane.n, phirase use pragaT hotA hai.

mumukShuH- pa.ndrah bhav karanA hI paDe, aisA hai? do-tIn bhavame.n...

samAdhAnaH- nahI.n, karanA hI paDe aisA nahI.n. use jyAdA-se jyAdA pa.ndrah bhav hote hai.n. aur usase puruShArtha adhik chal jAy to tIn bhavame.n jAy, koI ek bhavame.n jAya.

mumukShuH- ek bhavame.n jA sakatA hai?

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, jA sakatA hai, jA sakatA hai. yah pa.nchamakAl hai, isaliye yahA.N kevalaj~nAn abhI nahI.n hai. isaliye ek bhav devakA karake, phir manuShyakA bhav hokar phir mokShame.n jAya. aur yahA.N jab mahAvIr bhagavAnake samayakA chaturtha kAl thA, us vakta to usI bhavame.n bhI hotA thA. lekin abhI yah aisA duShamakAl hai. svaya.n puruShArtha utanA utpanna nahI.n kar sakatA hai.

mumukShuH- duShamakAlame.n dharmadhyAn yA shukladhyAn nahI.n ho sakatA.

samAdhAnaH- nahI.n, dharmadhyAn ho sakatA hai, shukladhyAn nahI.n hotA.

mumukShuH- nahI.n hotA?

samAdhAnaH- shukladhyAn nahI.n hotA. dharmadhyAn hotA hai. samyagdarshan ho, munidashA ho, parantu kevalaj~nAn nahI.n hotA. abhI shukladhyAn nahI.n hai.

mumukShuH- shukladhyAn kevalaj~nAnIko hI hotA hai?

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, jise kevalaj~nAn pragaT ho...

mumukShuH- muniko nahI.n hotA?

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samAdhAnaH- muniko dharmadhyAn hotA hai. shukladhyAnake do bhAg hai.n-ek pratham bhAg aur ek dUsarA bhAga. dUsarA bhAg shukladhyAnakA ekadam ujjaval hotA hai. jise kevalaj~nAn hotA hai usIko shukladhyAn hotA hai. aur ye samyagdarshan to gR^ihasthAshramame.n hotA hai. aur usakI svAnubhUti, samyagdarshan vah giratA nahI.n hai to pa.ndrah bhavame.n, tIsare bhavame.n aise jAtA hai.

mumukShuH- gurudev kahate hai.n na ki samyagdarshanake bAd hI dharma shurU hotA hai. jain kise kahate hai.n? jise samyagdarshan huA ho vaha.

samAdhAnaH- samyagdarshan huA ho vahI sachchA jain kahalAtA hai. sachchA jainatva tab kahaneme.n AtA hai. samyagdarshan na ho tabatak bhAvanA kare, vichAr kare ki mai.n j~nAyak hU.N, ye svarUp merA nahI.n hai. usakA bhedaj~nAn kare. yah sharIr mai.n nahI.n hU.N, ye vibhAv merA svabhAv nahI.n hai. yah j~nAn, darshan, chAritra aise vikalpa bIchame.n Aye, lekin ye sab bIchame.n rAg hai. us rAgase bhI mai.n bhinna chaitanya akhaNDa dravya hU.N. is prakAr apane j~nAyakakA astitva bhinna vichAre. j~nAyakake andar ananta guN hai.n. usakI paryAye.n pariNamatI hai. aisA usakA svabhAv (hai). usakA vichAr kare, usakA nirNay kare. jabatak pragaT na ho, tabatak usakA vichAr, vA.nchan, mahimA, lagan karatA rahe. dev-guru-shAstrakI mahimA, jabatak na ho tabatak karatA rahe.

mumukShuH- samayasAr to mujhe nishchitarUpase lagA ki, samyagdarshan na ho tabatak vah samajhame.n Aye aisA nahI.n hai.

samAdhAnaH- apanI pariNati pragaT ho, bhedaj~nAn, svAnubhUti use samyagdarshan kahaneme.n AtA hai.

mumukShuH- mithyAdarshanako nikAlanA vah samyagdarshana.

samAdhAnaH- samyagdarshan pragaT hotA hai, isaliye mithyAdarshan chalA jAtA hai. vah to AmanesAmane hai. ... alag vastu hai. shAstrase vichAr kare vah alag bAt hai. a.ntarame.n pariNati pragaT karanI, vah alag vastu hai.

mumukShuH- j~nAnakA artha hI gurudevane itanA sundar samajhAyA hai. j~nAn mAne kyA? shAstro.nkA j~nAn vah j~nAn hI nahI.n hai. AtmAkA pariNaman vah j~nAn hai. us j~nAname.n pariName vah..

samAdhAnaH- ... j~nAn to a.ntarame.n (hotA hai vah hai). .. usake sab kram Ate hai.n. guNakI bhUmikA. samyagdarshan, usake bAd usame.n adhik lInatA ho to pA.NchavI bhUmikA Aye, phir ChaThThIs-sAtavI.n bhUmikA munio.nkI Aye, aise-aise andar shreNi baDhatI jAy, samyagdarshanake bAd usakI chAritradashA a.ntarakI svAnubhUti

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baDhatI jAtI hai, aise.

mumukShuH- phir bhI un sabako jaDame.n DAl diyA.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, vah AtA hai. vah jaDame.n (kahA), parantu...

mumukShuH- ...

samAdhAnaH- dR^iShyi yathArtha kar, j~nAn yathArtha kara. parantu bIchame.n puruShArtha karanekA to AtA hai. anAdiananta shAshvat dravya hai, us dravyake andar kuCh malinatA nahI.n huyI hai yA apUrNa-pUrNakI apekShA nahI.n hai. guNasthAn sab jaD hai, aisA AchAryadev kahate hai.n. parantu terI sAdhanAme.n bIchame.n Aye binA nahI.n rahate.

nishchay aur vyavahArakI sandhi aisI hai ki use sulajhAnA, vah to usakI yathArtha dR^iShTi ho to sulajhA sakatA hai. use jaD kahA aur tere chaitanyame.n andarakI anubhUti hotI hai. tere andar chAritradashA AtI hai, aisA kahA. chAritrakA vikalpa Aye vah sab vibhAv hai, aisA kahA. mati-shrutaj~nAn, avadhi, manaHparyay vah sab j~nAnake bhed hai.n. vah bhed bhI terA pUrNa svarUp nahI.n hai. tU to j~nAyak hai. phir bIchame.n bhed to Ate hai.n. matij~nAn ho, shrutaj~nAn ho, kevalaj~nAn ho, sab hotA hai. phir kahate hai.n ki tU kevalaj~nAn par dR^iShTi mat karanA. kevalaj~nAn to ek paryAy hai. isaliye tU akhaNDa par dR^iShTi kara. lekin vah pragaT hue binA rahatA nahI.n. nishchay-vyavahArakI aisI sandhi hai. dR^iShTi to akhaNDa dravya par kar, parantu bIchame.n j~nAnakI parAkAShTA to pragaT hotI hai. usakA j~nAn kara. pratIti yathArtha kar, usakA j~nAn kar ki aise paryAyake bhed andar pragaT hote hai.n.

mumukShuH- kyo.nki AtmA ananta dharmAtmak hai. isaliye vyavahAranay aur dravyanay, vah to sAthame.n rahe.nge hI.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, vyavahAr to paryAyakA bhed hai, vah sAthame.n hotA hai, usakA j~nAn kara. paryAyake jo bhed hai,.. kyA dravya ananta kahA?

mumukShuH- dharmAtmaka. AtmA ananta dharmAtmak...

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, hA.N, ananta dharmAtmaka. ananta dharma AtmAme.n hai.n, usakA j~nAn kara. parantu tU aise vikalpa karatA rah ki ye j~nAn hai, ye darshan hai, ye chAritra hai, yah hai, yah hai. aise tU usakA j~nAn kar, parantu vikalpame.n rukanese to rAg hotA hai. isaliye tU dR^iShTi nirvikalpa par kara. parantu nirvikalpa dashA pragaT nahI.n huyI hai isaliye vikalpa to bIchame.n Ate hai.n, isaliye usakA j~nAn barAbar kara. isaliye usame.n guN nahI.n hai, aisA nahI.n hai. usame.n j~nAn hai, darshan hai, chAritra hai, sab hai. parantu vah abhed hai, aise. usame.n koI TUkaDe nahI.n hai.n.

mumukShuH- jIvaname.n ye do vastu to rahegI.

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samAdhAnaH- vah hai. parantu usake TUkaDe, usake bhed-TUkaDe nahI.n karanA. hai to sahI, lekin TUkaDA nahI.n karanA.

mumukShuH- parantu dR^iShTi us par..

samAdhAnaH- dR^iShTi akhaNDa par rakhanI. ek Am ho, vah harA hai, pIlA hai yA khaTTA hai, yA mIThA hai, un sabakA tU j~nAn kar, parantu vah to ek akhaNDa vastu hai. usame.n koI TUkaDe nahI.n hai. rasakA yA ra.ngakA TUkaDA nahI.n hotA. vah sab to akhaNDa hai. aise tU guNakA j~nAn kara. usame.n bhed karake usame.n rukanA mata. rukanese to rAg hogA. ... mIThA hai, dUdh aisA hai. vaise AtmA j~nAn hai, AtmAme.n darshan hai, AtmAme.n chAritra hai. aise sab vichAr kar, lekin vah sab to ekame.n hai. rAgako jaD kah diyA. aur ek bAr kahA, terI apanI paryAyame.n hotA hai. dono.n apekShA (samajhanI chAhiye).

mumukShuH- samayasArame.n bahut bAr ulajh jAte hai.n. ek bAr jaDame.n rakhA, ek bAr (kahA) jIvakA hI bhAv hai vaha. shAntise use... na baiThe to use pakaD nahI.n pAte.

samAdhAnaH- vaise sphaTik nirmal hai. usame.n pratibi.nb uThate hai.n. vaise AtmA nirmal hai, usame.n pratibi.nb lAl-pIle uThate hai.n, vah nimitta orase hai. nimitta-orase vibhAv ho vah tere puruShArthakI mandatAse (hotA hai). dravya AtmA to nirmal hai. aise AtmAme.n guNake bhed paDe ki AtmA j~nAn hai. vah to vibhAvakA bhed paDA. lekin jaise sphaTik shvet hai, sphaTik prakAshavAlA hai. aise AtmA nirmal hai, AtmA j~nAnamay hai. dravyame.n hI, terI vastume.n bhed paDA. usame.n tU akhaNDa dR^iShTi kara. vah to rAgakA bhed paDA. rAgako jaD kahA, ye to guNakA bhed paDA. usame.n bhI terI dR^iShTi to akhaNDa par kara.

aise guNasthAnakA bhed paDA. kevalaj~nAn, matij~nAn, shrutaj~nAn vah sab j~nAn to AtmAme.n pragaT hote hai.n. to usame.n bhed par dR^iShTi nahI.n karanA, dR^iShTi akhaNDa par tU kara. lekin j~nAn sabakA kara. vah nishchay-vyavahArakI sandhi aisI hai ki usame.n barAbar samajhe to (samajhame.n Aye). aisA hai.

mumukShuH- bahut ulajh jAy aisA hai. hamAre jaise usame.n bahut ulajh jAte hai.n. parantu jAnanevAlA use usake guNase jAnatA nahI.n, yahA.N rakhA ho to kAlA lage, yahA.N rakho to alag lage.

samAdhAnaH- alag lage, kAlA lage, lAl lage. usakI dR^iShTi sthUl hai. jisakI dR^iShTi AtmA par hai, use AtmA sphaTik jaisA lagatA hai. dUsaro.nko rAgI, dveShI, krodhI lagatA hai. bhedaj~nAn kare vah to kahe, mai.n to bhinna hU.N. lekin vah hotA hai, vah sirpha jaD nahI.n hai, mere puruShArthakI mandatAse hotA hai. parantu merA svabhAv nahI.n hai. merA svabhAv usase bhinna hai. use jAnatA hai ki yah hotA hai. mere puruShArthakI mandatA hai, use toDanekA

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prayatna karatA hai. yadi bilakUl jaDame.n DAl de to phir puruShArtha kis bAtakA? jaDame.n DAl do to aisA ho.

mai.n sphaTikakI bhA.Nti bhinna hU.N. parantu ye jo rAg khaDA hai vah mereme.n nahI.n hai. lekin mere puruShArthakI mandatAse khaDA rahatA hai. isaliye merI pariNit puruShArtha karanekA bAkI rahatA hai.