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mumukShuH- .. vah prashna hotA hai ki AtmA hai, to sab vyaktime.n bhinna-bhinna AtmA hai ki sR^iShTime.n ek hI AtmA hai aur usakA a.nsh hai?

samAdhAnaH- sab bhinna-bhinna AtmA hai.n, a.nsh nahI.n hai. sab dravya bhinna-bhinna hai.n. jagatame.n jo AtmA hai.n, sab svata.ntra hai.n. yadi ek a.nsh ho to ekako duHkhakA pariNAm ho, dUsareko dUsarA pariNAm ho, dUsareko dUsarA pariNAm ho, sabake pariNAm ek samAn nahI.n hote. ekako duHkh ho to sabako duHkh honA chAhiye. ek mokShame.n jAy, koI svAnubhUti kare, koI a.ntar AtmAko pahachAne to koI nahI.n pahachAnatA hai, kisIko janma-maraN khaDe rahate hai.n, kisakI mukti hotI hai. ataH aise bhed paDate hai.n. pratyek AtmA svata.ntra hai.n, a.nsh nahI.n hai.

sab svata.ntra AtmA hai.n, kisIkA a.nsh nahI.n hai. ek a.nsh hai aur ek pUrNa vItarAg hai, usake sab a.nsh hai.n, aisA nahI.n hai. jo vItarAg hote hai.n vah svata.ntra svaya.n rAg- dveSh ChoDakar sarvaj~na hotA hai. phir use vibhAv hotA hI nahI.n, nirmal hotA hai. phir usake thoDe a.nsh rakhaDe aur thoDe nirmal rahe, aisA nahI.n hotA. vah svata.ntra svaya.n... pratyek dravya svata.ntra hai.n. svaya.n rAg-dveSh kare svata.ntra aur vItarAgatA kare svata.ntra, dono.n svata.ntra vastu hai.n. svaya.n apane puruShArthase karatA hai. svaya.n vItarAg ho, svaya.n rAg-dveSh ChoDe. kisIkA a.nsh ho to ek mokShame.n jAy to ek sa.nsArame.n rahe, aisA nahI.n banatA. isaliye pratyek dravya svata.ntra hai.n.

mumukShuH- yogavasiShTha mai.nne paDhA. usame.n aisA hotA hai ki AtmA ek hI hai. isaliye mujhe dvidhA huyI ki vah bhI AtmAkI bAt hai, yah bhI AtmAkI bAt hai. to dono.n bhinna-bhinna kaise ho sakate hai.n? dharma bhale bhinna prakArase batAye.n, parantu honA chAhiye ek hI. AtmAkI bAt hai to ek hI vastu honI chAhiye na? bhinna-bhinna kaise ho hI sakatI hai? isaliye dvidhA honese yogavasiShThakA to kise pUChane jAnA? mai.n kisIko aisA jAnatI nahI.n. Apake pAs samAdhAn kar saku.N isaliye yahA.N dauDI AyI.

samAdhAnaH- aisA hai ki alag dR^iShTime.n alag bAt Aye. usame.n yathArtha kyA hai, svaya.n vichAr karake nakkI karanA. sabhI dravya yadi ek hI ho.n, ek hI a.nsh ho.n to

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jIvakI svaya.nkI svata.ntratA rahatI nahI.n. svaya.n parata.ntra ho gayA. vastume.n aisA anyAy kudaratame.n nahI.n hotA.

svaya.nko puruShArtha karanA ho to ek a.nsh puruShArtha kare aur dUsarA a.nsh sa.nsArame.n rakhaDe, aisA to ho sakatA nahI.n. isaliye pratyek dravya svata.ntra hai.n. isaliye usame.n jo AyA usakI dR^iShTi alag hai, aisA samajh lenA. svaya.nko nyAyase kyA baiThatA hai, yathArtha vastusthiti kyA hai, apanA svabhAv kyA hai, vah svaya.n apanese nakkI kar lenA ki isame.n aisA hai aur usame.n vaisA hai, to yathArtha kyA honA chAhiye? sab ek hI ho to jIvakI svata.ntratA kahI.n nahI.n rahatI. svaya.n svata.ntrapane kar sake aisA honA chAhiye. usake bajAy sab a.nsh ek ho.n to svata.ntratA nahI.n rahatI.

mumukShuH- mere maname.n nishchay to yahI huA. phir bhI isame.n yah paDhA, usame.n aisA hai. mujhe aisA huA ki merI aj~nAnatA ho sakatI hai, merI samajhame.n pharka paD sakatA hai. Ap j~nAnI ho, Ap yahA.N tak pahu.Nche ho to Apake pAs (samAdhAn karane AyI hU.N).

samAdhAnaH- pratyek dravya svata.ntra hai.n. Ishvar kartA hai, Ishvar sab karatA hai. Ishvar kartA ho nahI.n sakate. vItarAg ho jAy vah kartA ho to usame.n rAgAdi sab A gayA. jo vItarAg ho vah svaya.n apaneme.n hI hote hai.n. aur usake a.nsh nahI.n hote. usake a.nshakA artha yah ki svaya.n ek chaitanyadravya AtmA hai, usame.n usakI paryAye.n, usakI avasthAe.N, usame.n ananta guN aur usakI ananta avasthAe.N vah usake a.nsh hai.n. bAkI dUsare dravya usake a.nsh nahI.n hai.n.

svaya.n nij svabhAvakA kArya kare, svaya.n j~nAnarUp, AnandarUp usakA kArya kare, vah usake a.nsh samajhanA. bAharake a.nsh vah usakA a.nsh nahI.n hai. apane a.nsh hai.n vah svaya.nke a.nsh hai. bAharake a.nsh, dUsare jIvo.nke a.nsh vah usake a.nsh nahI.n hai.

ek dravyake andar ananta svabhAv hote hai.n, ananta jAtake kArya hote hai.n, jIv vibhAvame.n ho to rAg-dveShake vikalpake anek jAtake vah kArya karatA hai. vah usake a.nsh hai.n. aur svabhAvame.n to j~nAnarUp, AnandarUp, apanI nirmalatArUp, vikalpa rahit akelI nirvikalpa apUrva svAnubhUti, laukikame.n jisakA a.nsh bhI nahI.n hai, aisI apUrva, jise kisIke sAth mel bhI nahI.n hai, aise anupam AtmAkA kArya kare vah usake a.nsh hai.n. ye bAhar dravyake a.nsh vah a.nsh nahI.n hai. andar svaya.n apane a.nshasvarUp pariNamatA hai. dUsareke a.nsharUp svaya.n nahI.n pariNamatA.

mumukShuH- pratyek AtmAkA svabhAv ek hai, usakA artha yah huA na?

samAdhAnaH- svabhAv ek jAtikA hai. ek jAt hai. jAnanevAlA hai. sab jIv

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jAnate hai.n. ye pudagal kuCh jAnatA nahI.n. ye pudagal ek jAtike hai.n. isame.n varNa, gandha, ras aisA sab ho, vah ek jAta. vah sab ek jAt hai. aur jo jAnanevAlA-jAnanevAlA hai, vah jAnanekI apekShAse sab jAnanevAle ek jAtike. parantu usakI jAt yAnI sab ek nahI.n ho jAte.

mumukShuH- ham sirpha ek dhyAn rakhe ki merA AtmA karavAtA hai aur is sharIrase mai.n karatA hU.N, to apanA aha.nbhAv chalA jAy na? mai.n karatA hU.N, aisA jo ham logo.nko lagatA hai, vah aj~nAn hai. hame.n aisA lagatA hai ki ye sab mai.n karatA hU.N. gharame.n kuCh bhI kAm karate ho, to mai.nne kiyA, mai.nne kiyA. vah aha.nbhAv, yadi AtmA karatA hai, AtmA karavAtA hai aur is sharIrase karatA hU.N, to aha.nbhAv chalA jAyagA?

samAdhAnaH- AtmA karavAtA nahI.n, AtmA jAnanevAlA hai. parapadArthakI kartAbuddhi, kuCh karanA vah usakA svabhAv nahI.n hai. ye to sharIr hai, bIchame.n nimitta aur vikalpa Ate hai.n. isaliye vikalpo.nse hotA hai. vikalpame.n AtmA juDatA hai isaliye hotA hai. lekin aisA karanA usakA svabhAv nahI.n hai, aisA sab karanekA.

mai.n to jAnanevAlA j~nAyak hU.N. ye sab kartAbuddhi (hai). paradravyakA mai.n kaise kar sakU.N? mai.n koI karanevAlA nahI.n hai. lekin is sharIrake sAth anAdikA sambandha hai aur vikalpa, rAg-dveShame.n paDA hai. ataH kartAbuddhi hai isaliye hotA hai. bAkI mai.n jAnanevAlA hU.N. kisIkA mai.n kuCh kar nahI.n sakatA. parapadArthakA mai.n kuCh nahI.n kar sakatA. aha.nbhAv ChoD de.ai.n dUsarekA kuCh nahI.n kar sakatA, mere AtmAkA kar sakatA hU.N. mai.n parapadArtharUp hotA nahI.n. mai.n to svabhAvarUp hoU.N vah merA svabhAv hai. ye bAharakA karanA vah merA svabhAv nahI.n hai.

aise svabhAvakA vichAr kare. vikalpa Aye isaliye yah sab karanekA hotA hai. vikalpake kAraNa. mai.n koI anyarUp ho jAU.N to mai.n ghararUp ho jAU.N. yadi mai.n ghararUp hoU.N to. mai.n to bhinna hU.N. mai.n kahI.n ghararUp bhI nahI.n hU.N aur is sharIrarUp bhI nahI.n hU.N. sharIrase bhI mai.n to bhinna hU.N. isaliye ye sab karanA to svata.ntra hotA hai. mai.n to mAtra vikalpa merA ho, rAg-dveShakA isaliye isame.n kAryame.n juDatA hU.N, kartAbuddhike kAraNa. bAkI mai.n to jAnanevAlA hU.N.

mumukShuH- aliptapanA A sakatA hai?

samAdhAnaH- A sakatA hai. puruShArtha kare to A sakatA hai. a.ntarame.n kShaN-kShaName.n aisA ho ki mai.n to jAnanevAlA hU.N. ye sab ekamek jo vikalpakI jAlame.n (ho rahA hU.N), vah merA svabhAv nahI.n hai, mai.n to jAnanevAlA hU.N, sAkShI hU.N. yah merA svarUp nahI.n hai. aise a.ntarase virakti Aye aur nirlep ho sakatA hai.

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ye koI sukhakA kAraN nahI.n hai, ye koI mahimAva.nt nahI.n hai. mahimAva.nt ho to merA AtmA hai. ye kuCh mahimArUp nahI.n hai. aise nirlepatA A sakatI hai. aisA sab karake ananta AtmAo.nne aise kArya kiye hai.n, mahApuruSh gR^ihasthAshramame.n rahakar nirlep rah sake hai.n. pratyek AtmA aisA shaktimAn hai ki jo kar sakatA hai.

mumukShuH- lekin vah paramAtmAme.n mil jAtA hai. AtmAme.n jab vItarAgatA A jAy, sab ChoD sake, AtmAkA j~nAn ho to Akhirame.n vah paramAtmAme.n mil jAtA hai?

samAdhAnaH- mil na jAy, vah svaya.n svata.ntra rahe. aise ananta dravya hai.n, aise AtmA paramAtmArUp hue hai.n. siddhAlay hai usame.n pratyek dravya svaya.n apanI svAnubhUti svata.ntra karate hai.n. vItarAg hokar svaya.n svata.ntra rahatA hai, kisIme.n mil nahI.n jAtA. usakI jAt ek hai. ek jAtake ho jAte hai.n. ek jAtake, svAnubhUti ek jAtakI kare, lekin pratyek svata.ntra hai.n. svaya.n apaneme.n (rahatA hai). vah arUpI hai aisA ki use koI jyAdA kShetra nahI.n chAhiye. isaliye AkAshake amuk kShetrame.n ananta jIv rah sake, aisA paramAtmA ban jAya. jAt ek, parantu pratyek svata.ntra rahate hai.n.

mumukShuH- gurudevako samarpaN karanese AtmAkA j~nAn hame.n ho, vah bAt satya hai? gurudevako apanA aha.nbhAv arpaN kar de, mai.n hU.N hI nahI.n, AtmA hI hU.N, jo Apake andar hai vahI mereme.n hai, lekin Apane sab prApta kar liyA, Apane sab samajh liyA, anubhav ho gayA. ham samajhe, hame.n anubhav nahI.n huA hai. anubhav ApakI kR^ipAse ho yA hamAre puruShArthase hI hotA hai? ApakI kR^ipA bhI chAhiye? gurudevakI? jise guru mAnA unakI kR^ipA aur apanA puruShArtha dono.n chAhiye yA akelA puruShArtha hI chAhiye?

samAdhAnaH- jo puruShArtha karatA hai use sAthame.n kR^ipA hotI hI hai. nimittame.n guru hote hai.n aur upAdAname.n svaya.n hotA hai. dono.n sAthame.n hote hai.n. gurukI kR^ipA to usame.n sAthame.n hotI hI hai. vastusthiti-se svaya.n puruShArtha kare tab hotA hai, parantu gurukI kR^ipA to sAthame.n hotI hai.

mumukShuH- ab, Apako mai.nne guru mAnA. ab, yahA.N roj to nahI.n A sakatI. mu.nbaI rahatI hU.N, bachche hai.n... shraddhApUrvak yah mAnatI hU.N. to sa.nsArame.n rahakar sa.nsArase alipta rahakar, manase alipta rahakar, sa.nsArake kArya chalate rahe, alipta rahakar bhI Apako guru mAnakar, mai.n Apake vachan paDhakar, karake mai.n prApta kar sakatI hU.N? yA pratyakSha guru chAhiye hI?

samAdhAnaH- svaya.n prApta kar sakatA hai. svaya.n kahI.n bhI baiThakar puruShArtha karake sachchA samajhe to prApta kar sakatA hai. prApta kar sakatA hai. aisA hai ki anAdi kAlame.n jIv janma-maraN karate-karate use ek bAr guru athavA dev koI milate hai.n. unakI pratyakSha

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vANI sune, vah pratyakSha vANI sunakar andar Utar jAy, phir kahI.n bhI ho, vah prakaT kar sakatA hai. gurudev mu.nbaIme.n padhArate the, mAlUm nahI.n hogA?

mumukShuH- nahI.n, pahale mai.n ek bAr gaI thI.

samAdhAnaH- gaye the? vahA.N mu.nbaIme.n.

mumukShuH- hamako svaya.nko lage, shraddhA baiTh jAy ki yah satya hai, mujhe is mArga par jAnA hai.

samAdhAnaH- shraddhA, svaya.n a.ntarame.n shraddhA kare ki yah mArga sachchA hai. phir a.ntarame.n svaya.nko bhedaj~nAn karanA bAkI rahatA hai. yah sharIr merA svarUp nahI.n hai. andar vibhAv hote hai.n, vah bhI merA svarUp nahI.n hai. mai.n to a.ntarame.n j~nAyakasvabhAv jAnanevAlA usame.n Ananda bharA hai. aisI shraddhA a.ntarase karake, andar jo ekatvabuddhi ho rahI hai use toDakar bhedaj~nAn karanekA prayatna kare ki mai.n to j~nAyak hU.N. aise bAra.nbAr prayatna kare, yathArtha samajhakara.

prayatnakA abhyAs bAra.nbAr kare to use pragaT ho. usakA abhyAs yathArtha honA chAhiye. usakI shraddhA yathArtha honI chAhiye. jo gurune kahA hai, us mArga par svaya.n barAbar chale to apane puruShArthase pragaT kar sakatA hai. svaya.n kahI.n bhI ho, puruShArthase kare to ho sakatA hai.

jIvaname.n jo guurudevane mArga batAyA hai, us mArga par jAnA hai. koI apUrva vANI gurudevakI barasatI thI. us mArga par jAnA hai. us mArga par svaya.n taiyAr ho to prApta hue binA (rahatA nahI.n). guruke vachan grahaN kare to usame.n gurukI kR^ipA A jAtI hai. jo gurune jo vachan kahe us svaya.n andar yathArtha samajhe, samajhapUrvak, binA samajh nahI.n, samajhapUrvak grahaN kare aur puruShArtha kare to use pragaT hue binA nahI.n rahatA. aisA nimitta- upAdAnakA sambandha hai.

... sab kam hai. chaitanyako pahachAnanA, chaitanyako pahachAnanA. pUrA jIvan badal jAtA hai. dR^iShTi bAhar kriyAo.nme.n thI, usame.nse chaitanya par dR^iShTi karavAyI. .. usake pahale dAdarame.n thA, vah kaun-sA varSha thA? 87vI.n. bhAvase kare usame.n .... gurudevakA pratAp vartatA hai.

muumukShuH- chintA rahatI hai. jaise Apane gurudevako sab sau.np diyA, hamane Apako sau.np diyA.

samAdhAnaH- gurudevane bhAv... jahA.N bhAvapradhAn hai, vahA.N bAhya sa.nyog ADe Ate hI nahI.n. jahA.N bhAvapradhAnatA hotI hai vahA.N. mArga itanA saral kar diyA. dUsaro.nko sat khojanA mushkil paD jAtA hai ki kyA svarUp hai? aur kis mArga par jAnA? aisA-

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aisA jo ekadam anAjane hai.n, vah pUChate haiai.n.

gurudevane sat kyA? vah to ekadam spaShTa karake batAyA hai ki kis mArga par jAnA hai. phir puruShArtha karanA hI bAkI rahatA hai. bAkI mArga to ekadam spaShTa karake batA diyA hai. vibhAv terA svabhAv nahI.n hai. dravya, guN, paryAy usake bhed par bhI dR^iShTi mat kara. akhaNDa par dR^iShTi kara. ekadam sUkShmatAsUkShma karake mUl tak jAkar sab samajhA diyA hai, gurudevane.

mumukShuH- ..

samAdhAnaH- sabako bhagavAn kahate the. are..! bhagavAn! bhagavAn kahate the. tU mUl shaktise to bhagavAn hai. Aj Tepame.n bhI (AyA thA). ... koI bhed nahI.n dikhatA.

.. virAjate the tab baDhatA hI jAtA thA. aur abhI bhI unakI prabhA aisI hI vardhamAn ho rahI hai.

mumukShuH- Apake AshIrvAd hai, aise hI hogA.

mumukShuH- asal mAnasta.nbh kaisA hogA samavasaraName.n?

samAdhAnaH- us mAnasta.nbhakI kyA bAt karanI?

mumukShuH- vichAr AyA ki kuCh jAnane mile to.

samAdhAnaH- anek jAtake mAnasta.nbh hote haiai.n. indra dvArA rachit, us mAnasta.nbhako dekhakar mAn gal jAtA hai. jo ratna aur anek jAtake...

mumukShuH- pUrA mAnasta.nbh ratnakA?

samAdhAnaH- vividh ratno.n dvArA rachit hai.

mumukShuH- chaumukhI pratimAjI jaisI ham logo.nne yahA.N rakhI hai.n, vaise hI Upar-nIche (hotI hai.n)?

samAdhAnaH- usame.n to anek jAtakI rachanA hotI hai, mAnasta.nbhame.n. itanI ChoTI jagah ho, utaneme.n pUjA kar sake, bhagavAnako itane ChoTe devAlayame.n virAjamAn karanA paDe aisA nahI.n hotA. usakI rachanA koI alag jAtakI hotI hai. sab yahA.N Akar pUjA karate hai.n.

mumukShuH- ye to bahut ChoTI pratikR^iti hai.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, ChoTA hai na.

mumukShuH- vah to yojano.nke vistArame.n hogA.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, sab yojaname.n hotA hai, vishAl hai. samavasaraN kitanA hai, usakA mAnasta.nbh vaisA hotA hai. U.NchA utanA hotA hai, chauDA utanA hotA hai. usakA sab nAp AtA hai.

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mumukShuH- Aj sIma.ndhar bhagavAnakA janmakalyAN divas hai? hamAre ek bhAI aisA kahate the. janma kalyANak nahI.n, kevalaj~nAn kalyANaka.

samAdhAnaH- shAstrame.n sIma.ndhar bhagavAnakA keval kalyANak yA aisA kuCh nahI.n AtA hai.

mumukShuH- vah bhAI to shvetA.nbar the.

samAdhAnaH- hogA unake hisAbale. lekin yahA.NkA sab alag hai. .. nAradane vahA.N jAkar bhagavAnakA janma kalyANak dekhA, bhagavAnakA keval kalyANak dekhA. nAradane dekhA aisA AtA hai, parantu usakA din kaun-sA aisA nahI.n AtA hai. nAradajI yahA.N-se sIma.ndhar bhagavAnake pAs gaye the aur yahA.N Akar bAt karate hai.n ki mai.nne sIma.ndhar bhagavAnakA janma kalyANak yA keval kalyANak dekhA. aisA kahate hai.n Akara. usame.n AtA hai.

phir vahA.N mahAvideh kShetrame.n baDe-baDe mandir hai.n. bhagavAnakA mai.nne kalyANak dekhA, aisA Akar kahate hai.n. manuShyake hisAbase mandir baDe hote hai.n. pA.Nchasau dhanuShakA ho usase manuShya kam hote hai.n, parantu hote to hai.n na. sab nApakI bAt hai. lekin manuShya baDee hote hai.n.

samAdhAnaH- ... sa.nyog hai, sab lekar Aye the. isaliye unhe.n to sa.nskAr jAgR^it ho gaye. jo thA vah pragaT kiyA. .. dIkShA yahA.N lI, lekin badal gayA ki yah mArga sachchA nahI.n hai. andarase vichAr sphUre. koI kuCh jAnatA nahI.n thA. akelI kriyA hI thI. aur digambaro.nme.n bhI mArga (hone par bhI) dR^iShTi to aisI kriyAme.n (thI).

mumukShuH- saurAShTrame.n to diga.nbarakA to bahut kam sthAn hai.

samAdhAnaH- diga.nbarakA nAm bhI kisIne sunA nahI.n thA. kuCh nahI.n. svapna bhI AyA thA ki mai.n rAjakumAr hU.N. dIkShA leneke bAda. sharIr koI alag hI hai. svapna barAbar unhe.n hUbahU (AtA thA). is bhavakA sharIr nahI.n, sharIr alag hI thA, aisA kahA thA. baDA sharIr thA.

mumukShuH- ... pakkA ho gayA. gurudev..

samAdhAnaH- tIrtha.nkar hU.N, tIrtha.nkar honevAlA hU.N, aisA a.ntarame.n-se (AtA thA). aisI pratIt AtI thI.

mumukShuH- aisI pratIt AtI ho to apane dravyake kAraN aisA khyAl AtA hogA?

samAdhAnaH- apanA dravya aisA hai, isaliye a.ntarame.n-se pratIt hotI thI. sunA ho vah to barAbar hai, lekin andarase nij dravyakI aisI yogyatA hai isaliye pratIt AtI thI. .. pratIt a.ntarame.n kab ho? ki apanI yogyatA andar sAthame.n hai, isaliye pratIt AtI hai.prashamamUrti bhagavatI mAtano jay ho!