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mumukShuH- ... sAmAnya jIv jo divyadhvani sunate ho.nge, ve bhI vahI bAt sunate hai.n aur kam samajhate hai.n aisA hai ki koI dUsarI bAt hai?

samAdhAnaH- ... bhagavAn kahate hai.n aisA samajhate hai.n lekin sabakI shakti anusAr samajhate hai.n, usake anusAr grahaN karate hai.n.

mumukShuH- bAt to ek hI hai.

samAdhAnaH- bAt ek (hai). bhagavAnakI bahut apekShAse bAt AtI ho aur jisakI shakti ho us anusAr samajhate hai.n.

mumukShuH- bahut bAr aisA kahaneme.n AtA hai ki uttar prApta huA, vah kyA hai?

samAdhAnaH- prashna to koI divyadhvanikA kAl ho tab nahI.n, para.ntu dUsare prasa.ngo.nme.n vah khAs-khAs prashna pUChate hai.n. dUsare prashna nahI.n pUChate. koI gaNadhar, koI muni, koI chakravartI, koI aise rAjA (ho to) vaise prashna pUChate hai.n.

mumukShuH- dUsare koI jIv prashna nahI.n pUCh sakate?

samAdhAnaH- use prashna utpanna ho to use samAdhAn hI ho jAye. prashna pUChanA rahatA hI nahI.n. jise jo prashnakA vikalpa hotA hai, vah bhagavAnakI vANIme.n sab A jAtA hai. usake prashnakA samAdhAn hI ho jAtA hai. divyadhvanime.n sab A jAtA hai. jise jo prashna vikalpa utpanna ho, vah sab A jAtA hai.

yahA.N gurudevakI vANI kaisI thI? unakI vANIme.n jise jo prashna utpanna ho vah gurudevakI vANIme.n A jAtA. bhagavAnakI divyadhvanime.n (aisA hotA hai). jise prashna utpanna hote ho vah sab bhagavAnakI vANIme.n samAdhAn A jAtA hai. prashna karane jaisA kisIko rahatA nahI.n.

mumukShuH- prashna dUsare mahArAj pUChate hai.n, aur vah bAt inako sunAI detI hai? sAmAnya jIvo.nko bhI sunAI detA hai ki indra ho unako hI sunAI detA hai?

samAdhAnaH- nahI.n, sabako samajhame.n AtA hai. sunAI detA hai?

mumukShuH- jo-jo prashnakA uttar ho, vah dUsare jIvo.nko bhI (sunAI) detA hai?

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, sunAI detA hai. grahaN usakI shakti anusAr karate hai.n.

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prashnaH- usakA samay bhinna-bhinna hotA hai? prashnakA aur vyAkhyAnakA? chaudah pUrva, bArah a.ngakA bhinna-bhinna samay hotA hai?

samAdhAnaH- divyadhvani ChUTatI hI rahatI hai. usame.n bIchame.n koI prashna nahI.n pUChatA. bhagavAnako ichChA kahA.N hai, sahaj vANI ChUTatI hai. binA ichChA. divyadhvanikA kAl ho tab divyadhvani ChUTatI hai. prashna to jisake puNya ho vah prashna kare aur vANIme.n uttar AtA hai. bAkI sabako bahubhAg to samAdhAn hI ho jAtA hai. prashna pUChanA nahI.n paDatA.

mumukShuH- mukhya viShay to mAtra adhyAtmakA hI hotA hai ki dUsarA bhI hotA hai?

samAdhAnaH- jo muktikA mArga hai, bhagavAnakI vANIme.n sab AtA hai. chaudah brahmA.nDakA svarUp pUrA AtA hai bhagavAnakI vANIme.n. sab AtA hai. dravyAnuyog, charaNAnuyog, adhyAtma Adi sabakuCh AtA hai. karaNAnuyoga. kuCh kam nahI.n AtA, sab AtA hai. usame.n mukhya kyA hai, muktikA mArga kyA hai, sabakuCh bhagavAnakI vANIme.n AtA hai.

mumukShuH- yahA.N kahanevAlA kramapUrvak kahatA hai, vahA.N to aisA kuCh nahI.n hai.

samAdhAnaH- sab ekasAth AtA hai. bhagavAnakA Ashay kyA hai vah samajh lete hai.n. .. sab AtA hai. .. bhagavAnakI vANIme.n bahut AtA hai, utanA grahaN nahI.n hotA. bhagavAnakI vANIme.n chaudah brahmA.nDakA pUrA svarUp AtA hai.

mumukShuH- sAmAnya jIv pUrNa grahaN kar nahI.n pAte.

samAdhAnaH- gaNadhar Adi sab kahate hai.n, prabhu! ApakI divyadhvaniko mai.n pahu.Nch nahI.n pAtA. unhe.n chaudah pUrvakA j~nAn pragaT hotA hai. prabhu! kahA.N merA j~nAn aur kahA.N ApakA j~nAn! kahA.N ApakI vANI! Apake gahan rahasyo.nko mai.n pahu.Nch nahI.n pAtA. ve bhI aisA kahate hai.n. ApakI apUrva vANIko mai.n pahu.Nch nahI.n sakatA. aise gaNadhar, indro, munindro sab aisA kahate hai.n. sAmAnya to kyA jo shaktishAlI hai.n ve sab aisA kahate hai.n. kahA.N prabhu ApakA j~nAn ek samayame.n lokAlokako jAnanevAlA, usame.n dravya- guN-paryAyakA svarUp lokAlokako ek samayame.n jAnate ho. ananta dravya, ananta dravyake guN-paryAy, sva aur par sabako ek samayame.n jAnate ho. bhUtakAl, vartamAnakAl, bhaviShyakAl sab ek samayame.n ApakI vANIme.n AtA hai. aisI ApakI vANIko is j~nAname.n-kShayopasham j~nAname.n-grahaN nahI.n kar sakate hai.n. apUrva vANI! prabhu! mai.n Apako pahu.Nch nahI.n pAtA hU.N. hamArA alpaj~nAn ApakI apUrva vANI gahanatAse bharI, ham pahu.Nch nahI.n pAte. gaNadharako pUrNa shrutaj~nAn pragaT hotA hai to bhI ve aisA kahate hai.n.

mumukShuH- kam pakaDame.n AtA hai usame.n bhI utanA hI Ananda AtA hai?

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samAdhAnaH- unhe.n Ananda AtA hai. prabhukI divya vANI kuCh apUrva kahatI hai, apUrvatAse pUrNa, bhagavAnakI agAdh rahasyo.nse bharI huI vANI hai. koI AtmAkA chamatkAr darshAnevAlI, chaitanyakA svarUp darshAnevAlI koI apUrva vANI hai. apUrva mahimA AtI hai.

yahA.N gurudevakI vANIme.n sab ekasamAn grahaN kar sakate the? gurudevakI vANIkA sabhIko Ashcharya lagatA thA aur mahimA AtI thI. jo jIv kuCh nahI.n samajhate the, koI anajAn Akar baiThe to bhI aisA lagatA ki yah vANI koI alag hai, aisA Ashcharya lagatA thA. sab ekasamAn samajhate nahI.n the to bhI sabako Ashcharya lagatA thA.

ye to bhagavAnakI vANI hai. ek samayame.n lokAlokako jAnanevAlA unakA j~nAn, aisI unakI bhUmikA, ek samayame.n jAnanevAlA jo kevalaj~nAn, usame.nse pariNamit hokar jo divyadhvani ChUTatI hai, us vANIkI kyA bAt karanI!? sabako ekadam Ashcharya lagatA hai. jagatase nirAlA koI alaukik unhe.n lagatA hai. vANI abhed-bhed kiye binA nikalatI hai. jagatase nirAlI vANI. sab kramase bolate hai.n, (unhe.n) kram nahI.n paDatA, ekasAth agAdh svarUpako kahanevAlI (hai). bhagavAn bhinna, unakI vANI bhinna, sab bhinna (hai). ichChApUrvak (vANI) nahI.n nikalatI. sab mugdha ho jAte hai.n, mugdha hokar sunate hai.n.

mumukShuH- ek samayame.n chaudah brahmANDakA svarUp A jAtA hogA? chaudah brahmANDakA svarUp ek samayame.n vANIme.n A jAtA hai?

samAdhAnaH- ek samayame.n bhagavAn jAnate hai.n, vANIme.n jo AtA hai vah bahut svarUp AtA hai, pUrNarUpase AtA hai, to bhI AtmA bhinna hai aur vANI bhinna hai. to bhI usakA rahasya pUrA A jAtA hai. chaud brahmANDa. apUrNa kuCh bhI nahI.n rahatA, pUrNa AtA hai. lekin AtmA bhinna hai aur vANI bhinna hai.

... nahI.n paDatA, lekin vANIme.n AtA hai pUrNa, to bhI jo chaitanyame.n bharA hai vah sab vANIme.n nahI.n AtA hai. andar jo anubhavapUrva, bhagavAnakI anubhUti kevalaj~nAnapUrvakakI, (jisame.n) samudra-dariyA bharA hai, vah sab vANIme.n (nahI.n) AtA hai, to bhI ananta AtA hai.

andar anubhav jo kevalaj~nAn, svarUp ramaNatA jo pUrNa hai vah pUrNa chaitanya uChalakar vANIme.n nahI.n AtA, to bhI pUrNa AtA hai, apUrNa kuCh nahI.n rahatA. AtA hai vah sab pUrNa AtA hai, lekin usame.n chaitanyakA tal nahI.n A jAtA. usakA pUrA rahasya A jAtA hai.

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mumukShuH- ek samayame.n rahasya pUrNa A jAtA hai, phir bhI kevalaj~nAname.n jo anubhUti hotI hai vah sab nahI.n AtI.

samAdhAnaH- vah vANIme.n thoDe hI AtA hai, vANI aur vah bhinna-bhinna vastu hai. vah darshAyA nahI.n jA sakatA. to bhI usakA Ashcharya (lagatA hai), to bhI darshAtI hai. bhagavAnakI vANI chaudah brahmANDakA svarUp darshAtI hai, muktikA mArga darshAtI hai, chaitanyakA chamatkAr darshAye, chaitanya koI apUrva vastu hai, vah sab darshAtI hai.

bhagavAnakI vANI sunakar kitane hI muni kevalaj~nAn prApta karate hai.n, koI muni ban jAte hai.n, koI samyagdR^iShTi hote hai.n, kitane hI samavasaraName.n ho jAte hai.n. kitane hI a.ntarmuhUrtame.n ho jAte hai.n. aisA nimitta-upAdAnakA sambandha hai. bhagavAnakI vANI aisI joradAr hai ki ekadam ho jAtA hai. to bhI bhagavAnakI vANIkI aisI mahimA hai.

unako (gurudevako) svaya.nko Ashcharya lagatA thA ki isame.n AchAryadevako bahut kahanA hai. phir svaya.n AhA..! karate the, to bhI unakI vANIme.n bahut AtA thA. gurudev kahate the, oho..! isame.n AchAryadevako bahut (kahanA hai), oho..! isame.n to bahut bharA hai. to bhI unako jo kuCh kahanA hai vah sab mAno andar rah jAtA thA, to bhI bahut AtA thA.

mumukShuH- vANIme.n aisA kah sakate hai.n ki pUrA AtA hai, phir bhI bahut bAkI rah jAtA hai.

samAdhAnaH- to bhI andar rah jAtA hai. do dravya bhinna hai isaliye. chaitanya aur vANI (bhinna-bhinna hai.n). kevalaj~nAn prApta karate hai.n, kitane hI jIv muni ban jAte hai.n, kitane hI jIv shrAvak ban jAte hai.n, kitane hI jIv samyagdR^iShTi banate hai.n, kitane! lAkho.n- lAkho.n! kevalaj~nAnIkI kuCh sa.nkhyA hotI hai, munio.nkI kuCh (sa.nkhyA hotI hai), shrAvako.nkI to kitanI baDI sa.nkhyA hotI hai. dharmakAl vartatA hai.

mumukShuH- alaukik bAte.n aur Ashcharya utpanna ho aisI bAte.n hai.n.

samAdhAnaH- bhagavAnakA bolanA alag, bhagavAnakA chalanA alag, pUre jagatase nirAlA. aur vANI ChUTatI hai. upayog to andar svarUpame.n jam gayA hai. nirAdhAr baiThate hai.n. si.nhAsan, kamal Adi sabakI rachanA indra karate hai.n, phir bhI bhagavAn to nirAdhAr hote hai.n.

mumukShuH- sab AshcharyakArI hai.

samAdhAnaH- AshcharyakArI. pUrNatA prApta ho gayI isaliye unakA sab alag ho jAtA hai, jagatase alag hotA hai.

mumukShuH- puruShArtha vardhamAn honekA kAraN honA chAhiye, jIvako aisA ho jAtA hai ki mujhe to ab dharmAtmAkA yog ho gayA hai, aisA hotA hai, yah galat hai na?

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mujhe to dharmAtmAkA yog ho gayA hai, ab mai.n pAr ho jAU.NgA, mujhe mokSha jAneme.n koI dikkat nahI.n AyegI, aisA karake puruShArtha kam ho jAye, aisA hotA hai? aisA nahI.n honA chAhiye.

samAdhAnaH- aisA nahI.n honA chAhiye. dharmAtmA mile lekin svaya.nko puruShArtha karanA chAhiye. puruShArtha kare to hotA hai.

mumukShuH- aisA nahI.n banatA hogA ki puruShArtha kiye binA koI jIv dharmAtmAke sa.ngase, sa.ngake kAraN prApta kar le?

samAdhAnaH- puruShArtha kiye binA prApta ho jAye aisA nahI.n banatA. mAtra sa.ngase (nahI.n hotA).

mumukShuH- mAtra sa.ng kAryakArI nahI.n hotA.

samAdhAnaH- mAtra sa.ng (kAryakArI nahI.n hotA). puruShArtha to svaya.nkA (hotA hai). nimitta-upAdAnakA sambandha hai ki svaya.nke puruShArthame.n saral ho jAye yA mArga darshAye, unake sAnnidhyase svaya.nke pariNAm puruShArthakI or muDe, puruShArtha svaya.nko karanA rahatA hai. lekin vah mAn le ki mujhe to bAharase sab nimitta mil gaye hai.n, mujhe kahA.N takalIph hai? aisA kare to aise prApta nahI.n hotA. lekin use dev-guru-shAstra aur satsa.ng eva.n sa.nto.nkI mahimA AyI ho to use sa.ntakI aisI mahimA andarase ho to use puruShArtha hue binA rahatA hI nahI.n, lekin use sa.ntakI mahimA hI nahI.n AyI hai.

gurudevakI mahimA andar Aye to gurudev jo mArga darshAte hai.n, us mArgapar usakI puruShArthakI pariNati muDe to hI usane us mahAtmAkA svIkAr kiyA hai, to usane gurudevakA svIkAr kiyA hai. vah aisA vichAr kare ki ab mujhe kahA.N takalIph hai? to phir vah mArga samajhA nahI.n hai. vah samajhe ki merA pramAd hai, itanA to use khyAlame.n rahanA chAhiye na? karanA to svaya.nko hI hai. upAdAn-nimittakA sambandha hai, lekin karanA to svaya.nko hai. puruShArthakI or usakI gati chale. bhale hI dhIre-dhIre (baDhe), lekin muDe binA rahe nahI.n, yadi sachchI mahimA AyI ho to.

mumukShuH- AtmAkA Ananda jab anubhavame.n Aye to use kaise mAlUm paDe ki sUkShma AtmAko grahaN kiyA hai, ab use AnandakA anubhav AtA hai. aur pahale jo duHkhakA vedan hotA thA, usase yah alag lagatA hai, aisA use kaise khyAlame.n Aye?

samAdhAnaH- vah khyAlame.n A jAtA hai. svaya.nkA vedan andar hai, svaya.n anubhav kar sakatA hai. AtmAko grahaN kiyA, phir AtmAme.n lInatA karatA hai ki yah j~nAyak hai. sthUl upayogase j~nAyak grahaN nahI.n hotA. bAhya upayog jo sthUl hai, rAg-dveSh AkUlatAyukta upayog hai, jo upayog bAhar khaNDa-khaNDa (hokar) ek ke bAd ek j~neyako grahaN

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(karatA hai), us upayogase (grahaN nahI.n hotA). lekin vah upayog svaya.nkI or muDe tab sUkShma hotA hai. upayog jo bAhar jA rahA hai vah sthUl hai, svaya.nkI or muDanevAlA upayog, chaitanya arUpI hai us arUpIko grahaN karanevAlA upayog sUkShma hai. svaya.nko- j~nAyakako grahaN kare ki yah j~nAyak hai, isaki sivAy yah sab jo hai vah mujhase bhinna hai. yah vikalpa hai, vah sab AkUlatA hai. isaprakAr j~nAyakako grahaN karake, usakI pratIti karake, usame.n lInatA karake vikalpa ChUT jAye aur svaya.n AtmAme.n lIn ho jAye, upayog a.ntarame.n lIn ho jAtA hai. jo AnandakA anubhav hotA hai use vah barAbar pakaD sakatA hai. use khyAl (A jAtA hai), dono.n bhinna-bhinna ho jAte hai.n.

svaya.n sthUlarUpase vedan kare to sukh-duHkhakA vedan use hotA hai. sharIrame.n shAtA athavA ashAtA hotI hai usakA vedan use hotA hai ki, sharIrame.n koI rog hai, usakA vedan hotA hai, usakA duHkh hotA hai. vah use khyAlame.n AtA hai. nirogatA ho to use khyAl AtA hai ki abhI rog nahI.n hai. vaise, jaise rAg-dveShakA khyAl AtA hai ki yah duHkh hai, yah sukh hai. aisA to sthUl j~nAname.n bhI pakaDatA hai. to arUpI AtmAko grahaN kare, andar lIn hotA hai tab sab vikalpa ChUT jAte hai.n. vikalpa ChUTakar AtmAko grahaN karatA hai aur barAbar svaya.nke Anandako pakaD sakatA hai. upayog nirmal ho gayA. svaya.nke AnandakA anubhav, svaya.n svaya.nko jAn sakatA hai. AkUlatA ChUT gayI aur nirAkUlatA (vedaname.n AyI). AnandasvarUp AtmA pragaT ho, vah Ananda ChipatA nahI.n.

mumukShuH- chAhe jaise bhaya.nkar duHkh ho, jab use pakaDame.n AtA hai, us vakta use shAtA hotI hai? andarase jo Ananda AnA chAhiye, jo lakShya ChUTanA chAhiye, us rogake prati jo usane anAdikA abhyAs kiyA hai, bhaya.nkar rog ho us vakta bhI vah bhedaj~nAn karake AtmAkI or muDe to use us vakta andar thoDI shAnti hotI hai, to vah lakShya ChUTatA hai tab use khyAl AtA hai ki AtmA hai, parantu abhI pakaDA nahI.n hai. tab thoDA-thoDA khyAl AtA hai. lekin vah sachchA nahI.n hai. jab vah barAbar AtmAko pakaDe tab hI AnandakA vedan hotA hai.

samAdhAnaH- AtmAme.n lIn hotA hai tab hI Ananda hotA hai. andarase svaya.nko grahaN kare. abhI sthUlarUpase grahaN karatA hai to use shAnti (lagatI hai, vah) AkUlatA manda hotI hai, lekin yathArtha shAnti AtmAme.n-se nahI.n AyI hai. rogame.nse vikalpa palaTe ki yah sab rog sharIrame.n hai, mereme.n nahI.n hai. isaprakAr bhAvanAse, vikalpase shAnti rakhe. lekin vah alag shAnti hai-manda kaShAyakI shAnti hai. a.ntar AtmAme.nse jo shAnti AtI hai vah alag hI AtI hai. vikalpa ChUTakar jo shAnti Aye, vikalpa ChUTakar jo

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Ananda AtA hai, vah Ananda koI anupam hai. siddha bhagavAnakI jAtikA Ananda hai. vah Ananda alag hI hai. us AnandakA svaya.n anubhav kar sakatA hai. vah use alag hI ho jAtA hai ki yah bhinna hI thA aur bhinna hI hai. bhed ho jAtA hai. yah alag hai. AkUlatAsvarUp hai usakA use bhed ho jAtA hai. AtmA hai usakA svarUp bhinna hai, aisA use vikalpa ChUTakar jo nirvikalpatAkA Ananda AtA hai, vah use andar bhinna rUpase vedaname.n AtA hai.

manda kaShAy athavA bhaya.nkar rogake kAlame.n vikalpa karake shAnti rakhe ki mai.n jAnanevAlA hU.N, yah sharIr merA nahI.n hai, yah vikalpa mai.n nahI.n hU.N, aisI bhAvanA kare to mandarUpase AkUlatA kam hotI hai, aise vichArame.n thoDI shAnti lage. lekin vah shAnti andarase bhinna hokar AnI chAhiye, vah shAnti nahI.n AyI hai.

j~nAnI to savikalpa dashAme.n ho, unakA upayog bAhar ho to bhI unako amuk prakArase unako shAnti to rahatI hai. vikalpa ChUTakar jo Ananda AtA hai, vah Ananda to alag hI hotA hai. dono.n bhinna-bhinna ho jAte hai.n ki yah AtmA bhinna, jagatase bhinna-nirAlA (hai). usakA svarUp Anandamay guNo.nse adabhUt svarUpase bharA AtmA bhinna hI hai, ye sab bhinna hai.n. use anubhavame.n AtA hai.