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samAdhAnaH- .. mai.n aisA hU.N, yah use baiThatA nahI.n hai. puruShArthame.n kamajorI A gayI hai aur aise baDA honA achChA lagatA hai.

muumukShuH- use baDappan achChA lagatA hai. samAdhAnaH- ek or aisA ho gayA hai ki mai.n kuCh nahI.n hU.N, aisA ho gayA hai. tU bhagavAn hai, aisA kahe to jaldIse (baiThatA nahI.n). gurudevane sabako sa.nskAr DAle hai.n ki tU bhagavAn hai, bhagavAn hai. pahale to sabako aisA hotA thA ki apane bhagavAn? bhagavAn ho vah bhagavAn hote hai.n. aisA thA. gurudevane aise sa.nskAr DAl diye hai.n ki tU bhagavAn hai. gurudev bAra.nbAr-bAra.nbAr kahate hai.n, tU bhagavAn hai. a.ntarame.n sabako bhagavAn...

mumukShuH- gurudevake pravachaname.n ginatI kare.n to kamase kam pA.Nch-sAt lAkh bAr bhagavAn AtmA, bhagavAn AtmA kahA hogA.

samAdhAnaH- bahut bAr kahA hai. vyAkhyAname.n bahut bAr bolate hai.n, bhagavAn hai, tU bhagavAn hai.

mumukShuH- "AtmA' shabda Aye to bhagavAn AtmA aisA hI gurudevake mukhame.n AtA thA.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, bhagavAn AtmA.

mumukShuH- gurudevake mukhame.n AtmA shabda hI nahI.n AtA thA. bhagavAn AtmA. itanI mahimA.

samAdhAnaH- bhagavAn AtmA aisA hI AtA thA.

mumukShuH- pIChale vaShAme.n to samajhame.n AtA hai, usake bajAy bhagavAn AtmA, vishrAmarUp (vAkya) aisA hI AtA thA.

samAdhAnaH- samajhame.n AtA hai, vah kam hokar AhA..! bahut AtA thA. Ashcharyake shabda bahut Ate the. bhagavAn AtmA Aye to AhA..! AchAryadev kaisA (kahate hai.n). is prakAr AhA.. shabda bahut AtA thA.

mumukShuH- gurudevashrIko andarase mahimA uChalatI thI. mumukShuH- pIChale vaShAme.n to samajhame.n AtA hai, usake badale AhA.. AtA thA.

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samAdhAnaH- usake badale AhA.. shabda bahut AtA thA. bahut bAr, thoDe-thoDe vAkyame.n AhA.. aisA hI AtA thA.

mumukShuH- ek-do vAkya bole aur AhA... AtA thA.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, AhA.. aisA hI AtA thA. koI nyAy Aye to AhA.. AtmAkI bAt karate-karate AhA.. aisA hI AtA thA. vah to kuCh alag hI lagatA thA. AhA.. kahate the vaha. aisA lage ki gurudevako kitanI is tattvakI, AtmAkI AshcharyatA lagatI hai ki AhA.. shabda bAr-bAr AtA hai. shrutakA itanA Ashcharya, nyAyakA aur andar AtmAkA utanA Ashcharya, AhA.. shabda bahut AtA thA. yahA.N thoDeme.n paDhate to bhI AhA.. shabda bahut bAr AtA thA.

mumukShuH- pravachaname.n andarase mahimA jaise svaya.nko uChalatA, vaise bhAShAme.n AtA thA.

samAdhAnaH- unake bhAv aise aur unakA pUrA jIvan aisA thA.

mumukShuH- abhI Tepame.n sune to jab bhAvake sAth sunate ho tab bhUl jAte hai.n ki gurudev yahA.N nahI.n hai, aisA lagatA hI nahI.n.

samAdhAnaH- gurudev hai aisA lage.

mumukShuH- gurudevashrI mAno.n sAkShAt virAjate ho.n.

samAdhAnaH- unakI lalakAr Tepame.n bhAv kholakar AtI hai to aisA hI lagatA hai.

mumukShuH- gurudevake hAvabhAv pratyakSha dikhate ho.n, aisA lage. vANIme.n aisA A gayA hai.

samAdhAnaH- Tepame.n aisA AtA hai. vyAkhyAname.n paDhane Ate hai.n aur phir chale jAte hai.n aisA kahate the. gurudev paDhate hai.n, aisA hI lagatA hai.

mumukShuH- ..

samAdhAnaH- gurudevako to shrutakA bahut hI hai. unhe.n shrutakI to labdhi thI. vahA.N dev ikaTThe hokar shAstrasabhA karate hai.n. vA.nchan bhI karate hai.n. shAstrasabhA hotI hai. gurudevakA to sahaj hai to aisA ban sakatA hai ki devo.nkI sabhAme.n bhI... dev charchA-vArtA karate hai.n, shAstrasabhA devo.nme.n hotI hai. dev bhagavAnake darshan kare, pUjan kare, shAstrasabhA hotI hai. unhe.n a.ntar shrutakI labdhi (thI). ve bole vah sabako asarakArak aisA unakA prabhAvanAkA yog aur a.ntarakA sab aisA thA. devo.nme.n to hotA hai, shAstrasabhA hotI hai, prashna charchA hotI hai, sab hotA hai. dev tattva charchA karate hai.n. dev bhagavAnake samavasaraName.n jAte hai.n, bhagavAnakI dhvani sunane jAte hai.n. devalokame.n bhI shAstrasabhA hotI hai.

mumukShuH- ahemadAbAdavAle shAntibhAI kAmadAr hai na? unake ChoTe bhAI kA.ntibhAI kAmadAr chal base hai.n, unakI patnI Adi sab Aye hai.n. hArTa pheIl ho gayA. boTAdavAle shAntibhAI kAmadAra. ... shAntibhAIke bhAI kAntibhAI. ye kAntibhAIke putra hai.n aur ye

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shAntibhAIke patnI hai. abhI ATh din pahale hArTa pheIl ho gayA.

samAdhAnaH- manuShyapanA mile usame.n gurudevane yah mArga batAyA vah grahaN karane jaisA hai. shAnti rakhane jaisI hai. gurudevane kahA hai, AtmA shAshvat hai. us shAshvat AtmAkA sharaN grahaN karane jaisA hai. janma-maraN, janma-maraN chalate rahate hai.n. vahA.N koI upAy nahI.n hai. ek shAnti rakhanI vahI ek (upAy hai).

mumukShuH- ekadam so gaye, kuCh nahI.n thA. ekadam so gaye.

samAdhAnaH- palaT jAy, kab AtmA chalA jAy aur sharIr paDA rahatA hai. AtmAkI sharaN grahaN karane jaisA hai. manuShyabhavame.n AtmAkA karane jaisA hai. sa.nsAr aisA hai. ananta janma-maraN aise hue hai.n. kisIko ChoDakar svaya.n gayA, svaya.nko ChoDakar dUsare chale jAte hai.n. aisA yah kShaNabha.ngur sa.nsAr (hai).

gurudevane mArga batAyA vah grahaN karane jaisA hai. AtmA shAshvat hai. AyuShyake anusAr kab pheraphAr ho jAy kuCh mAlUm nahI.n. janma-maraN kaise miTe, vah upAy gurudevane batAyA hai. use grahaN karane jaisA hai. gurudevake pratApase andar jitane sa.nskAr Dale ho.n vah sAthame.n Ate hai.n. dUsarA kuCh sAthame.n nahI.n AtA hai. mai.n bhinna, sab bhinna dikhAI detA hai. gurudevane kahA, sab bhinna hI hai. koI sharaN nahI.n hai. andar vikalpa bhI apanA sharaN nahI.n hai to sharIr kahA.N sharaN hai? AtmAkI sharaN vahI satya sharaN hai. a.ntarame.n satya sharaN vah hai. shAnti rakhanI sukhadAyak hai.

mumukShuH- ek paryAyako dUsarI paryAyake sAth koI bhI sambandha nahI.n hai. phir bhI sa.nskAr, bhAv, usakA bal ho use Atmaj~nAn hotA hai, aisA dekhate hai.n. parantu agalI- pIChalI paryAyako ekadUsareko sAth sambandha nahI.n hai, phir sa.nskAr aur lagan jIvako kaise kAm Ate hai.n?

samAdhAnaH- ekadUsareko sambandha nahI.n hai aur hai bhI. jo paryAy hotI hai vah dravyake Ashray hotI hai. dravyake Ashray binA nirAshray paryAy nahI.n hotI hai. ek paryAyakA vyay hotA hai, dUsarI paryAy utpanna hotI hai. ek paryAyako dUsarI paryAyake sAth ekadUsareko sambandha nahI.n hai. parantu dravyake Ashrayase paryAy hotI hai. jo dravya vastu hai, us vastuke Ashrayase paryAy hotI hai. vah paryAy aisI koI svata.ntra nahI.n hai ki nirAdhAr hotI hai. ek paryAyako dUsarI paryAyake sAth koI sambandha nahI.n ho to bIchame.n nitya dravya hai. vah nitya dravya kahA.N gayA? paryAy to kShaN-kShaName.n palaTatI hai. vah to anitya (hai), paryAy to anitya hai. vastu nitya hai. jisame.n sa.nskAr Adi (hote hai.n), vah to nitya dravya hai. us dravyake Ashrayase paryAy hotI hai.

mumukShuH- vah bAt barAbar hai. parantu sa.nskArako vyavahArame.n liyA hai..

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samAdhAnaH- bhale vyavahArame.n liyA ho, parantu dravyake Ashrayase paryAy hotI hai.

mumukShuH- nayI paryAy hotI hai vah sabhI pUrva paryAyake sa.nskAr lekar AtI hai? to sa.nskAr kAmame.n Ate hai.n, aisA kah sakate hai.n? yA sa.nskAr sA.ntvanake liye shabda istamAl kiyA jAtA hai ki tU yah karegA to tujhe yah sa.nskAr Dalee.nge.

samAdhAnaH- nahI.n, sA.ntvanake liye nahI.n hai. mUl vastu to shuddha hai. phir bhI vah sa.nskAr bhI ek vyavahAr hai sahI. vah koI Upar-Uparase jUTh nahI.n kahaneme.n nahI.n AtA hai.

mumukShuH- sa.nskArako kisame.n DAle.nge, vyavahArame.n yA nishchayame.n?

samAdhAnaH- vah vyavahAr hai, vah bhI vyavahAr hai. parantu vah vyavahAr aisA vyavahAr nahI.n hai ki jUThA vyavahAr hai. aisA vyavahAr nahI.n hai. jo pratyabhij~nAn kahaneme.n AtA hai. jo AtmA ananta kAlase janma-maraN karatA A rahA hai, to bhI use pUrvajanmake sa.nskArase use is bhavame.n kuCh khyAlame.n bhI AtA hai, to pUrvajanmake sa.nskAr hai. sa.nskAr koI jUThI vastu nahI.n hai, vyavahAr honeke bAvajUda.

mumukShuH- usI prakAr ham lagan shabdakA bhI artha kar sakate hai.n, lagan ek paryAy bhale dUsarI paryAyase bhinna hotI hai...

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, bhinna hotI hai..

mumukShuH- phir bhI laganakI sAtatyatA chAlU rahatI hai. Akhirame.n Atmaj~nAn aur kevalaj~nAn prApta karavAtI hai. aisA le sakate hai.n na?

samAdhAnaH- Atmaj~nAn, kevalaj~nAn, hA.N. lagan jo a.ntarame.n lagatI hai vah kAraN banatI hai. vyavahAr kAraN hai parantu ekadam lagan a.ntarakI gaharI ho, andarakI gaharI lagan ho ki mujhe AtmA hI chAhiye, dUsarA kuCh nahI.n chAhiye to use vyavahAr kAraN banatA hai. kArya bhale mUl vastume.n-se paryAy pragaT hotI hai, paryAyakA kAraN dravya hai to bhI usame.n sa.nskArakA kAraN banatA hai. vyavahAr kAraN kahate hai.n.

mumukShuH- gurudevane bhI bahut bAr kahA hai ki sa.nskAr lekar jAyagA. is janmame.n bhale tujhe prApti nahI.n hogI, to kAlAntarame.n bhI..

samAdhAnaH- kAlAntarame.n sa.nskAr sAthame.n lekar jAtA hai.

mumukShuH- tab mujhe yahI prashna ho rahA thA ki ek paryAyako dUsarI paryAyake sAth sambandha nahI.n hai. phir bhI sa.nskAr chAlU rah sakate hai.n, is prakAr vyavahArake kAraNa.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, sa.nskAr chAlU rah sakate hai.n. jis jAtake is bhavame.n usane sa.nskAr DAle ho.n, a.ntim maraNake samay usake jo bhAv ho, vah jahA.N dUsare bhavame.n jAtA hai vahA.N us jAtake sphUrit hote hai.n. a.ntarame.n jo jAtake a.ntarame.n j~nAnake, darshanake, chAritrake, ArAdhanAke, jij~nAsAke, laganake jo-jo bhAv usake AtmAme.n ghUle hue ho.n, vah dUsare

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bhavame.n use pragaT hote haiai.n. gahare yA Uparase. Uparase ho to use kuCh khyAlame.n nahI.n hotA. parantu gahare sa.nskAr ho to pragaT hote hai.n.

mumukShuH- chAhe jitanA sa.nskArako vyavahArame.n DAle to bhI vah nishchayame.n sahAyabhUt hotA hai, aisA usakA artha huA.

samAdhAnaH- vyavahAr kAraN banatA hai. yathArtha ho, yathArtha gaharAIse ho to kAraN banatA hai. Upar-Uparase sthUl ho to kAraN nahI.n banatA. vyavahArase kisIko dharmake bhAv Upar-Uparase ho, aisA ho vah bAt alag hai, bAkI a.ntarakA jo hotA hai vah to use kAraNarUp banatA hai.

mumukShuH- shrImadake ek patrame.n AyA hai, j~nAnamArga dUrArAdhya hai aur bhaktimArga vah sAmAnya kram hai. to unakA kahanekA Ashay kyA hai? j~nAnamArga yAnI abhyAs mahattvapUrNa vastu nahI.n hai, parantu bhakti karanI vah mahattvapUrNa vastu hai, aisA kahanA chAhate hai.n?

samAdhAnaH- j~nAnamArga yAnI sab manuShya aise gahare vichAr nahI.n kar sakatA, isaliye bhaktimArga (kahA hai). arthAt vah bhakti aisI nahI.n hai ki vah bhakti koI kar detA hai aisA nahI.n hai. usakI mahimA tU lA, aisA. satpuruShakI mahimA lA. satpuruSho.nne jo pragaT kiyA hai aisA AtmA ArAdhane yogya hai. bhakti yAnI mahimA karane yogya hai. satpuruShakI mahimA arthAt AtmAkI mahimA, use sambandha hai. tU bhagavAko pahachAn yA AtmAko pahachAn, aise. jisane bhagavAnako nahI.n pahachAnA, usane AtmAko nahI.n pahachAnA hai. tU AtmAko pahachAn to bhagavAnakI pahachAn hogI. aur bhagavAnako pahachAn to AtmAkI pahachAn hogI. bhagavAnakI mahimA lA. bhagavAnake dravya-guN-paryAy kaise hai.n? aise mahimA Ane par vah vichAr Aye.nge ki bhagavAn kaise hai.n? aise satpuuruSh kaise hai.n, kaise hai.n, aise usake vichAr karate-karate unakA AtmA kyA kAm karatA hai? aisA vichAr karate-karate tujhe AtmAkI or lakShya jAnekA kAraN banegA.

j~nAnamArga yAnI shuShkaj~nAn aise nahI.n. j~nAnamArga dUrArAdhya hai arthAt jise bahut kShayopasham na ho, jyAdA bAt jAn na sake parantu mUl prayojanabhUt j~nAn to honA chAhiye. prayojanabhUt na jAne to phir Age hI nahI.n baDh sakatA.

mumukShuH- bhaktimArgame.n bhI prayojanabhUt j~nAn to chAhiye hI.

samAdhAnaH- prayojanabhUt j~nAn to samAyA hI hai. akelI bhakti, samajhe binA bhakti karanA, aisA artha nahI.n hai. prayojanabhUt j~nAnako lakShyame.n lenA. mai.n chaitanya hU.N, yah sab bhinna hai. aisA sab prayojanabhUt j~nAn to honA chAhiye. bhale jyAdA na jAnatA ho.

mumukShuH- .. shAstrame.n bhI bhaktikI itanI mahimA hai ki bAt mat karo. shrImadame.n bhI bhaktikI mahattA bahut dI hai. parantu bhaktikA yahI artha lenA chAhiye. sAmAnya pair

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pakaDanekI bAt nahI.n lenI chAhiye.

samAdhAnaH- binA samajhakI bhakti aisA artha nahI.n hai. samajhapUrvakakI bhakti, j~nAnIko pahachAnakar bhakti, unakI mahimA aur vastu svarUp kyA hai, usakA mUl prayojanabhUt j~nAn to honA chAhiye, bhAn to honA chAhiye. j~nAnapUrvakakI bhakti hI yathArtha bhakti hai. binA samajhakI bhakti aisI bhakti to ananta kAlame.n bahut bAr kI hai. samajhanapUrvakakI bhakti hotI hai.

aur j~nAn yAnI ekadam rukhA j~nAn, sirpha bAte.n kare aur a.ntarame.n usake hR^idayame.n gaharAIme.n yah sab bhinna hai, mai.n bhinna hU.N, a.ntarame.n-se use virakti na Aye aur aisI bAte.n kare, usake bajAy prayojanabhUt j~nAnapUrvakakI bhakti, aisA honA chAhiye. sab log jyAdA jAn na sake isaliye (kahA), j~nAnamArga dUrArAdhya (hai) arthAt jyAdA jAn na sake, parantu mUl prayojanabhUt j~nAn to honA chAhiye. j~nAnIkI mahimA kare arthAt usame.n tere AtmAkI mahimA samAyI hai. tere AtmAkI or muDanekA kAraN hogA.

mumukShuH- pAtratA pragaT karanI, vah vyavahArame.n AtA hai yA nishchayame.n? shrImadame.n bhI bahut jagah pAtratA, AtmArthIke lakShaN aisA AtA hai, to pAtratA pragaT karanI usame.n Atmatattva visheSh vikasIt hotA hai yA vyavahArame.n us jAtakA bhAv AtA hai?

samAdhAnaH- vah hai to vyavahAr, lekin usame.n AtmAkA lakShya honA chAhiye. nishchay to ek vastu mUl shuddhAtmA vah nishchay hai. usame.n bIch-bIchame.n jo bhedake bhAv Aye vah sab vyavahAr hai. parantu vah vyavahAr kis jAtakA hai, yah samajhanA hai. nishchayake lakShyapUrvakakA vyavahAr hotA hai. bIchame.n sAdhanA kram AtA hai vah bhI vyavahAr hai. samyagdarshan, j~nAn, chAritrake bhed paDe vah bhI vyavahAr hai. lekin vah sAdhanA to bIchame.n Aye binA rahatI nahI.n. mUl vastu shuddhAtmAko pahachAna. usame.n darshan pragaT hotA hai, j~nAn pragaT hotA hai, chAritra pragaT hotA hai. vah sab vyavahArake bhed hai.n. parantu aisI sAdhanA vyavahAr to bIchame.n Aye binA nahI.n rahatA. parantu nishchayapUrvakakA vyavahAra. AtmAkA yathArtha lakShya karake, yathArtha AtmAko lakShyame.n lekar jo guN pragaT ho, vah sab vyavahAr hI hai. guNo.nkI paryAy pragaT ho (vah vyavahAr hai).

aise prAra.nbhame.n jo pAtratA Adi hai vah sab vyavahAr hai. ek mUl abhed vastuke alAvA jo-jo bhed paDe vah sab vyavahAr hai. usame.n sadabhUt vyavahAr, asadabhUt vyavahAr vah sab vyavahAr hai. bIchame.n jo bhed paDe, pAtratA Aye vah bhI vyavahAr hai. lekin vah pAtratA aisI honI chAhiye, jisame.n AtmA pragaT ho, aisI pAtratA honI chAhiye.

mumukShuH- pAtratA na ho to Atmaj~nAn nahI.n hotA, yah kathan satya hai?

samAdhAnaH- satya hai, pAtratA na ho to Atmaj~nAn pragaT nahI.n hotA.

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mumukShuH- sirpha bAte.n kare, shAstra abhyAs kare ... nahI.n to nishchayAbhAs honekI sa.nbhAvanA rahatI hai na?

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, pAtratA binA vastu pragaT nahI.n hotI. pAtratA to honI chAhiye. prayojanabhUt jisame.n Atmaj~nAn pragaT ho, aisI pAtratA to honI chAhiye. pAtratAke binA yathArtha j~nAn pragaT nahI.n hotA. yathArtha bhedaj~nAn pragaT nahI.n hotA. kAraN yathArtha hue binA kArya pragaT nahI.n hotA.

mumukShuH- mokShamArga prakAshakame.n AtA hai, nishchayAbhAs aur vyavahArabhAsI. usame.n nishchayako bhI mAnatA hai aur vyavahArako mAnatA hai, jo ubhayako mAnatA hai usako kaise jUThA kah sakate hai.n?

samAdhAnaH- dono.nko mAnatA hai,...

mumukShuH- vyavahAr vyavahArakI apekShAse sachchA hai, nishchay nishchayakI apekShAse sachchA hai, phir bhI dono.n mAnanevAleko ham jUThA kahate hai.n, aisA kaise?

samAdhAnaH- dono.n mAne to bhI jUThA hai. yah bhI sachchA hai aur yah bhI sachchA. samajhe binA dono.nko sachchA mAne vah jUThA hai. nishchay kis prakArase sachchA hai? mUl vastu svabhAvase nishchay sachchA hai. aur vyavahAr paryAy eva.n bhedakI apekShAse sachchA hai. jis prakArase nishchay satya hai, usI prakArase vyavahAr satya hai. dono.n samAnarUpase sachchA mAnatA hai. dono.nkI apekShAe.N samajhatA nahI.n hai. dono.nkI koTi kaisI hai, use samajhatA nahI.n hai aur dono.n samAnarUpase sachchA hai, aisA mAnatA hai vah jUThA hai.

dono.nko sachchA mAnanevAlA dono.n par samAn vajan detA hai. yah bhI sachchA aur yah bhI sachchA. dono.nko samAn vajan detA hai. kis apekShAse nishchay mukhya aur vyavahAr gauN hai? aur prayojanabhUt vyavahAr bIchame.n AtA hai. vyavahArakI apekShA samajhatA nahI.n hai aur nishchay mUl vastu samajhatA nahI.n hai, dono.nko samAn vajan detA hai. yah bhI sachchA hai aur yah bhI sachchA hai. vah bhI jUThA hai. samajhe binA dono.n sachchA mAne vah jUThA hai.

dono.n kis prakArase sachche hai.n, vah samajhanA chAhiye. dono.nko samajhanA chAhiye. mUl vastu svabhAvase nishchay sachchA hai. vyavahAr usakI paryAy apekShAse sachchA hai. kShaNik paryAy, jo sAdhanAkI paryAy, bIchame.n vibhAv Aye, sadabhUt shuddhAtmAkI shuddha ... aise sachchA hai. paryAy nahI.n hai aisA nahI.n, paryAy bhI hai. usakI apekShAse vyavahAr sachchA hai. vah mUl vastukI apekShAse sachchA hai. ye to dono.nkA samAn vajan detA hai. dono.n mAno.n kaise ho, aise vajan detA hai, vah dono.n jUThe hai.n. ek bhI satya nahI.n hai, ek bhI samajhatA nahI.n hai.