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mumukShuH- andarase vichAr karane par bahut bAr aisA lagatA hai ki ... phir sA.nsArik kAmame.n lagane par asta ho jAtA hai..

samAdhAnaH- svaya.nkI kachAs hai. andar lagan aisI honI chAhiye ki kahI.n chain paDe nahI.n. a.ntarame.n-se mujhe jo pragaT karanA hai vah hotA nahI.n hai. bAhar kahI.n sukh na lage. sukh a.ntarake svabhAvame.n hai. use khaTak rahanI chAhiye, dR^iShTi kahI.n tha.Nbhe nahI.n, kahI.n chain paDe nahI.n. aisI lagan honI chAhiye.

mumukShuH- ... anubhav nahI.n huA hai, usakI lagan kaise lage? AtmAke AnandakI lagan lage, Atmik AnandakA anubhav nahI.n huA hai. pratyakSha dekhe, sonagaDh dekhA to mai.n kah sakatA hU.N ki sonagaDhame.n itanI-itanI chIj achChI hai. sonagaDh dekhA nahI.n hai. vaise AtmAkA anubhav nahI.n huA hai, anajAnI vastukI lagan kaise lagAnI?

samAdhAnaH- usakA anubhav nahI.n huA hai. usake lakShaNase nakkI kare. kahI.n sukh nahI.n hai, aisA to use a.ntarase laganA chAhiye ki sukh kahI.n nahI.n hai. to sukh kahA.N hai? sukh a.ntar AtmAme.n a.ntarame.n honA chAhiye. usakA vichAr karake lakShaNase nakkI kare. mahApuruSh kahate hai.n, use svaya.n vichArase nakkI kare ki a.ntarame.n hI sukh hai, bAhar kahI.n nahI.n hai.

sukh hai hI nahI.n, aisA to vishvAs AnA chAhiye. a.ntarame.n-se vichAr karake use lage ki a.ntarame.n dekhe to sukh kahI.n nahI.n hai. vah svaya.n nakkI kar sake aisA hai. sukh andar AtmAme.n bharA hai. apane vichArase nakkI ho aisA hai. usake lakShaN parase. anubhav nahI.n hai to bhI.

mumukShuH- pahale lakShaNase visheSh spaShTatA hogI, anubhavase, pahale to vikalpame.n hI nirNay hogA, bAdame.n..

samAdhAnaH- pahale to vikalpase nirNay kare. bAdame.n anubhav hotA hai.

mumukShuH- nivR^itti nahI.n lI hai, us sambandhit ApakA koI Adesh? lagan to Ap kahate hI ho.

samAdhAnaH- sabakI ruchi. nivR^ittasvarUp AtmA hai. gurudevane AtmAko bahut batAyA

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hai. jise lagan lagatI hai vah ChUTatA hai. lagan nahI.n hai, jise a.ntar AtmAkI lagI nahI.n hai, vah nahI.n ChUTatA hai. a.ntarame.n-se nyArA honA vahI mArga hai-bhedaj~nAna.

mumukShuH- sa.nsArake pralobhan Age sthir nahI.n rahA jAtA, us vakta usake sAmane laDaneke liye kaun-sA shastra AjamAnA chAhiye, laganIke alAvA?

samAdhAnaH- laganake alAvA svaya.nko a.ntarame.n nakkI ho jAnA chAhiye, isame.n kahI.n sukh hI nahI.n hai. apanI ruchi laganI chAhiye, andarase utanA shraddhAkA bal AnA chAhiye. vahI usakA shastra hai. apanI shraddhA aur vaisI virakti aur aisA nishchay andarase amuk lakShaN parase nakkI honA chAhiye ki isame.n kahI.n sukh nahI.n hai, sukh mere AtmAme.n hI hai. vahI usakA andar (shastra hai). is tarah vah nyArA rah sakatA hai. svaya.nkI ruchise hI bhinna rah sakatA hai.

mumukShuH- (yogyatA) j~nAnaprAptike liye balavAn kAraN hai, to yogyatA kaisI honI chAhiye?

samAdhAnaH- yogyatA a.ntarame.n AtmAkI or lagan honI chAhiye. mujhe AtmAkI kaise prApti hove? aur Atmaj~nAn kaise hove? AtmAke alAvA kahI.n chain na paDe. mujhe AtmasvarUpakI kaise prApti hove? aisI lagan laganI chAhiye. aur bAharase sab virakti ho jAy aur svabhAvame.n hI lagan honI chAhiye. aisI pAtratA honI chAhiye.

shrImadame.n AtA hai na? kaShAyakI upashA.ntatA mAtra mokSha abhilASha. mAtra mokShakI abhilASha. mAtra mujhe mokSha yAnI AtmasvabhAvakI prAptikI bhAvanA hove aur kuCh nahI.n. jo anantAnubandhI kaShAy jo ananta-ananta rukanevAlA hai bAharame.n ekatvabuddhi hotI hai, use aisI kaShAyakI upashAntatA honI chAhiye. aur AtmasvabhAvakI ekadam jij~nAsA honI chAhiye.

mumukShuH- vachanAmR^itame.n ek bol AtA hai, mAtAjI! bandha samay jIv chetIe, uday samay shA uchAT? usakA bhAv kyA hai? mAtAjI!

samAdhAnaH- uday samay kyA uchAT? uday to A gayA, to us samay shAnti rakhanI. jo pUrvame.n bAndhakar AyA thA, vah uday to A gayA. to us samay shAnti rakhanA ki uday to A gayA. ab j~nAtA-dR^iShTA hokar shAntise (vedanA). bandha samay chetanA chAhiye. jab bandha hotA hai tab pariNAm kaisA hotA hai, us samay dhyAn rakhanA. aur uday A gayA to ab kyA chintA karanI, ab to shAnti rakhanI, j~nAyakatA pragaT karanI. aur bandha jab hotA hai, tab pariNAm jo ekatvabuddhi aur tanmayatA, ekadam chIkanApan hotA hai, us samay dhyAn rakhanA ki mai.n j~nAtA hU.N, yah merA svabhAv nahI.n hai. us samay dhyAn rakhanA. bandha ho gayA, uday A gayA, phir kyA chintA (karanI)? ataH shAnti rakhanI. j~nAyakatA pragaT karanI.

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mumukShuH- mAtAjI! pUjya gurudev kahate the, apanI shuddha paryAy bhI paradravya hai, hey hai, to ab dashA to pragaT huyI nahI.n hai aur usake paradravya aur hey kaise svIkAr kare?

samAdhAnaH- paryAy paradravya to apekShAse (kahA hai). paradravya hai aur AtmAkI paryAy hai. usakA ek a.nsh hai, isaliye paradravya kahaneme.n AtA hai. vAstavame.n paradravya hai aisA (nahI.n hai). do dravya bhinna hai.n, ChaH dravya jaise bhinna-bhinna hai.n, aise paryAy us tarah bhinna nahI.n hai. vah to dravyake Ashrayase hotI hai. shuddhAtmAkI paryAy hai. parantu shuddhAtmA trikAl hai, vah a.nsh hai. isaliye paradravya kahaneme.n AtA hai. us par dR^iShTi karanese bhed hotA hai. aisA bhed vikalpa nahI.n karanA aur abhed par dR^iShTi karanA, aisA kahate hai.n. usame.n koI karmakI apekShA, apUrNa paryAy, pUrNa paryAy aisI apekShA AtI hai. AtmA to anAdiananta hai. isaliye paradravya kahaneme.n AtA hai. vAstavikame.n jaise ChaH dravya hai, vaisA paradravya nahI.n hai.

mumukShuH- rAgakI paryAyako to paradravya kahe.nge.

samAdhAnaH- parake nimittase hotI hai isaliye paradravya. parantu puruShArthakI mandatAse hotI hai, isaliye vibhAvase hotI hai, apane puruShArthakI mandatAse hotI hai. dR^iShTi palaT de to ChUT jAtI hai. karmake nimittase hotI hai isaliye usako paradravya kahaneme.n AtA hai. usame.n to apUrNa, pUrNa paryAy karmakI apekShA AtI hai, apUrNa, pUrNa, karmakA abhAv huA isaliye usako paradravya kahaneme.n AtA hai. bhed-bhed vikalpa karanese vikalpa mishrit hotA hai isaliye usako paradravya kahaneme.n AtA hai. vAstavik vah shuddhAtmAke Ashrayase hotI hai aur kShaNik hai. apekShA samajhanI chAhiye.

mumukShuH- mAtAjI! vartamAn j~nAn paryAy hai. lakShaN dvArA lakShya AtmAkI prasiddhi karanA. vartamAname.n jo matij~nAnakI paryAy hai, usase lakShya AtmAkI prasiddhi ho jAyagI?

samAdhAnaH- vartamAn j~nAnakI paryAy hai, us lakShaNase lakShya pahachAnanA. dravya par dR^iShTi karake dravyame.n-se shuddha paryAy pragaT hotI hai. parantu matij~nAn lakShaN hai, lakShyako pahachAnanA. lakShaNase lakShya chaitanyadravyako grahaN karanA. aisA kahaneme.n AtA hai.

matij~nAn khaNDa hai, adhUrA j~nAnase pUrA j~nAn hotA hai, aisA nahI.n. dravyake Ashrayase pUrA j~nAn hotA hai. pUrI paryAy, shuddha paryAy dravyake Ashrayase shuddha paryAy hotI hai. aise matij~nAn to bIchame.n AtA hai. matij~nAnake lakShaNase AtmAko pahachAnanA.

mumukShuH- kal jo Tepame.n AtA hai, gurudev kah rahe the ki kharekhar to paradravyako jAnatA hI nahI.n hai.

samAdhAnaH- paradravyako jAnatA nahI.n hai arthAt apanA j~nAnasvabhAvako (jAnatA hai).

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isaliye parako jAnanekA svabhAv nahI.n hai, usakA svaparaprakAshak svabhAv hI nahI.n hai aisA usakA artha nahI.n hai. jAnatA nahI.n hai arthAt us or upayog nahI.n karatA hai, usame.n pariNati ekatvatA nahI.n karatI hai. aur is or upayog apane svabhAvame.n pariNati lIn ho jAy to sahaj jAnaneme.n AtA hai. isaliye parako jAnatA nahI.n hai. nishchayadR^iShTise apane j~nAnako jAnatA hai, paradravyako nahI.n jAnatA hai. usame.n parakA j~nAn nahI.n hotA hai, aisA nahI.n hai. parako jAnanekA svabhAv hai AtmAkA. parakA j~nAn AtmAme.n nahI.n AtA hai, parako bilakUl jAnatA hI nahI.n hai, aisA usakA artha nahI.n hai. upayog us or nahI.n karatA hai.

matij~nAnase kevalaj~nAn hotA hai, vah to sAdhak paryAy jo svAnubhUti hotI hai, vah matij~nAn-shrutaj~nAname.n hotI hai. sAdhakaparyAyase pUrI paryAy (hotI hai), aisA kahaneme.n AtA hai. matij~nAn, shrutaj~nAn kevalaj~nAnako lAtA hai, aisA bhI kahaneme.n AtA hai. isaliye matij~nAn, shrutaj~nAn jo svAnubhUtikI paryAy pragaT huyI usase pUrI paryAy pragaT hotI hai, aisA bhI kahaneme.n AtA hai. dravyadR^iShTise pUrNatA hotI hai aur matij~nAn svAnubhUtikA ek a.nsh pragaT huA to usase pUrNatA hotI hai. sAdhak paryAy baDhate-baDhate, usakI vR^iddhi hote-hote pUrNatA hotI hai, aisA kahaneme.n AtA hai.

mumukShuH- mAtAjI! jaise shraddhA aur chAritraguNakI paryAyame.n vidhavidh pariNaman chal rahA hai anAdise, to vaise j~nAnakI paryAyame.n bhI viparIt pariNaman ho gayA hai?

samAdhAnaH- shraddhA aur chAritrame.n viparItatA hotI hai, aise j~nAname.n viparItatA, j~nAn viparIt nahI.n hotA hai. j~nAname.n jAnaneme.n viparItatA hotI hai. aise. shraddhAke kAraNase usame.n viparItatA kahaneme.n AtI hai. jAnanA to jAnanA hai, parantu shraddhA viparIt hai isaliye j~nAn bhI viparIt kahaneme.n AtA hai. shraddhAkI viparItatAke kAraN j~nAn bhI viparIt kahaneme.n AtA hai. shraddhA yadi samyak ho jAy to j~nAn bhI samyak ho jAtA hai.

mumukShuH- vachanAmR^itame.n ek bol AtA hai ki chaitanyake pariNAmake sAth kudarat bandhI huyI hai, aisA vastukA svabhAv hai. kaise hai mAtAjI?

samAdhAnaH- jo chaitanyakA pariNAm hai, jo bhAvanA hotI hai ki mujhe AtmAkA svabhAv pragaT karanA hai, to aisI pariNati hotI hI hai. jisakI jo bhAvanA hotI hai, vaise kudarat pariNamatI hI hai. yadi pariName nahI.n to dravyakA nAsh ho jAya. jo dravyakI bhAvanA hotI hai, us rUp pariNaman hotA hai. apanA aur dUsarekA. svaya.n upAdAn- nimittakA aisA sambandha hai.

jaisI bhAvanA hotI hai vaise kudarat pariNamatI hai. nahI.n to dravyakA nAsh hotA hai. aisA vastukA svabhAv hI hai. is tarah j~nAn, darshan, chAritra jaisI bhAvanA ho vaise pariNamatI

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hai. aise bAharame.n bhI nimitta bhI svaya.n pariNamatA hai, upAdAn bhI pariNamatA hai. aisA kudarat-aisA svabhAv hai. parantu yathArtha honA chAhiye.

mumukShuH- ek bol aur AtA hai, mAtAjI! ki jAgatA jIv vidyamAn hai, kahA.N jAy? jAgatA jIv mAne kaisA?

samAdhAnaH- AtmA to jAgR^it hI hai. vah sadAke liye shAshvat jAgR^it hI hai. j~nAnasvarUp jAgR^it hI hai. usakA nAsh nahI.n huA hai. nahI.n jAnatA hai aisA jaD nahI.n ho gayA hai. jAgatA jIv jAgR^it hI hai, vidyamAn hai. svaya.n lakShya kare to pragaT ho aisA hai. jAgR^it hI hai. jAgatA jIv vidyamAn hI hai, shAshvat vidyamAn hai. us par dR^iShTi karake jAne to avashya pragaT hotA hai.

mumukShuH- .. puruShArtha karanekI yukti sUjh jAy to mArgakI ulajhan Tal jAya.

samAdhAnaH- bhItarame.n j~nAyakasvabhAv AtmAkA j~nAnalakShaN pahachAn le ki yah lakShaN merA hai, yah lakShaN vibhAv lakShaN hai, yah svabhAv lakShaN hai. svabhAv lakShaNako pahachAnakarake pariNati usame.n dR^iDh kare, dR^iDh pratIt kare, usakA j~nAn dR^iDh kare, usame.n lInatA kare. aise puruShArthakI kal sUjh jAy aisI kalA sUjh jAya. bhItarame.n jAnekA rAstA use hAthame.n A jAy to ulajhan Tal jAya. aise.

svabhAvake lakShaNako pahachAn le. bhItarame.n gaharAIme.n jAkar, gahare jAkar lakShaNako grahaN kar le aur bhItarame.n pariNati dR^iDh kare to usakI ulajhan Tal jAya. kalA sUjh jAtI hai. parantu dhIrA hokar AtmAko grahaN karanA chAhiye.

mumukShuH- rAjachandrajIke vachanAmR^itame.n AtA hai ki j~nAnI guruko pahachAne to apanI AtmAkI pahachAn ho hI ho. to j~nAnI guru kaise pahachAne?

samAdhAnaH- j~nAnI guru pahachAname.n A jAte hai.n. jisako sat svarUpakI jij~nAsA lagatI hai ki mujhe sat kaise pragaT ho? to use j~nAnI, ye sat j~nAnI hai, aisA usako pahachAname.n A jAtA hai. j~nAnI hai, AtmA nyArA koI apUrva kAm kar rahA hai, unakI vANI apUrva hai, ye apUrva hai. use pIChAn le to mArga hAthame.n A jAtA hai. j~nAnIko pIChAn letA hai.

jisako satakI jij~nAsA pragaT hotI hai, vah j~nAnIko pahachAn letA hai. usakA netra aisA nirmal ho jAtA hai, vah j~nAnIko pahachAn letA hai. aur jo j~nAnIko pIChAn le vah apane AtmAko pIChAn letA hai.

mumukShuH- sharIr, rAgase ekatvabuddhi varta rahI hai, to ye ekatvabuddhi kaise toDe?

samAdhAnaH- ekatvabuddhi bhedaj~nAnase TUT jAtI hai. bhedaj~nAn kare to ekatvabuddhi TUT jAya. bhedaj~nAn karanese ekatvabuddhi TUT jAtI hai.

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mumukShuH- samyagdarshanakA viShayabhUt AtmA kaisA hai?

samAdhAnaH- samyagdarshanakA viShayabhUt? AtmA anAdiananta shAshvat hai. us par dR^iShTi kare. ananta guNase bharapUr AtmA shAshvat hai. guN par dR^iShTi nahI.n hai, koI bhed par dR^iShTi nahI.n hai. abhed AtmA par dR^iShTi karanA. ek chaitanyatattva par, abhed par dR^iShTi karanA. vah samyagdarshanakA viShayabhUt AtmA hai. parase vibhakta kar svabhAvame.n ekatvabuddhi karake, guNakA bhed nahI.n, paryAyakA bhed nahI.n ek chaitanya j~nAyak astitva par usakI dR^iShTi karanA, vah samyagdarshanakA viShayabhUt AtmA hai.

mumukShuH- .. kabhI to aisA lagatA hai ki ye paraprakAshak hai hI nahI.n. kabhI aisA lagatA hai ki svaparaprakAshak hai. usame.n Ap spaShTa khulAsA...

samAdhAnaH- gurudev to apekShAse sab bolate the. paraprakAsh nahI.n hai, to vah nishchayakI apekShAse kahate hai.n. j~nAn j~nAnako jAnatA hai, j~nAn parako nahI.n jAnatA hai. usakA artha aisA nahI.n hai ki jAnanekA svabhAv nahI.n hai. svabhAvakA nAsh nahI.n hotA hai. gurudev to aisA kahate hai.n, svame.n jab upayog jAtA hai, AtmAme.n pariNati hotI hai to j~nAn j~nAnako jAnatA hai. parame.n jAtA hI nahI.n hai. isaliye j~nAn j~nAnako hI jAnatA hai. j~nAnakI pariNati j~nAname.n hotI hai. isaliye parako nahI.n jAnatA hai, aisA isakA artha hai.

parantu j~nAnakA svaparaprakAshak svabhAv hai, us svabhAvakA nAsh nahI.n hotA. j~nAn usakA nAm hai ki jo anantako jAne. isaliye jAnanekI maryAdA nahI.n hotI hai. j~nAn usakA nAm kahaneme.n AtA hai ki jo pUrNa jAne. itanA jAne aur itanA nahI.n jAne, aisA j~nAnakA svabhAv nahI.n hai. j~nAn to pUrNa jAnatA hai. isaliye j~nAname.n parako jAnanekA AtA nahI.n hai aisA nahI.n hai. j~nAnakA svabhAv sab j~neyako jAnatA hai. ananta kAl gayA, ananta dravya pariNaman karate hai.n. ananta dravyake guN, ananta guNakI paryAy, ananta chaitanya dravya, usake ananta guN, usakI ananta paryAy sab j~nAname.n A jAtA hai. j~nAnakI paryAyame.n sab A jAtA hai. kevalaj~nAn sabako jAnatA hai.

isaliye paraprakAshak nahI.n hai usakA artha apanA j~nAnakA upayog parame.n nahI.n jAtA hai, j~nAn j~nAname.n pariNaman karatA hai. isaliye parako nahI.n jAnatA hai. j~nAn j~nAname.n hai, apanA svabhAv apaneme.n rahatA hai, parame.n nahI.n jAtA hai. isaliye j~nAn j~nAnarUp pariNaman karatA hai, isaliye parako nahI.n jAnatA hai. usakA aisA svabhAv nahI.n hai ki j~nAn parako jAnatA hI nahI.n hai, jAnanekA svabhAv hI nahI.n hai. jAnanekA svabhAv hai AtmAkA, svaparaprakAshak hai, parako jAnatA hai, nahI.n jAnatA hai aisA nahI.n.

gurudev dono.n bAt karate hai. dono.n bAtame.n mel karanA chAhiye. nahI.n jAnatA hai aisA kahate hai.n to koI apekShAse kahate hai.n. nahI.n jAnatA hai, bilakUl nahI.n jAnatA hai aisA

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usakA artha nahI.n hai. jAnanekA usakA svabhAv hI nahI.n hai, aisA nahI.n hai. jAnatA hai. j~nAn anantako nahI.n jAne to us j~nAnakI mahimA (kyA)? j~nAn anantako jAnatA hai. sabako jAnatA hai. j~nAname.n kuCh gupta nahI.n rahatA hai. sab j~neyo.nko jAnatA hai, ananta j~neyo.nko jAnatA hai, j~nAn to. isaliye svaparaprakAshak j~nAnakA svabhAv hai. usakA upayog parame.n nahI.n jAtA hai, apaneme.n pariNaman karatA hai.

mumukShuH- svaparaprakAshak shakti to ek hai.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, svaparaprakAshak shakti ek hai.

mumukShuH- ek hI hai?

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, ek hI hai. svarUpame.n pariNaman karatA hai. svako jAnatA hai, parako jAnatA hai. sab ekasAth jAnatA hai. usame.n kram nahI.n paDatA hai. sva aur par dono.nko ekasAth jAnatA hai. aisA j~nAnakA svabhAv hai. ekasAth jAnatA hai. jAnanekA svabhAvakA nAsh nahI.n hotA hai.