Benshreeni Amrut Vani Part 2 Transcripts-Hindi (itrans transliteration). Track: 220.

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samAdhAnaH- ... svabhAvako svaya.n (pahachAne). mai.n j~nAyak, jo jAnanevAlA hai vah svaya.n hai. jAnanevAleme.n AnandAdi ananta guN hai.n. j~nAn, Ananda Adi ananta guNa. usakA svabhAv kaise pahachAname.n Aye? pahachAnaneke liye shAstrakA abhyAs, guru pratyakSha ho to unakI vANI sunanese bahut pharka paDatA hai. kyo.nki ve to apUrva bAt (kahate hai.n). gurudevakI pratyakSha vANIme.n Aye, aisA shAstrame.n-se samajhame.n nahI.n AtA. parantu svaya.n vichAr karake usame.n-se kyA vastu hai? abhI koI upAy na ho to shAstrame.n-se, koI mumukShu ho to usakA satsa.ng karane-se jAnanA ki AtmAkA svabhAv kyA? ye vibhAv kyA? ye pudagal bhinna, vibhAvasvabhAv AtmAkA nahI.n hai, j~nAyak svabhAv svaya.n haiai.n. usakA vichAr, usakA vA.nchan, usakI lagan, usakI mahimA, par padArtha parase usakI mahimA kam ho jAy aur chaitanyakI mahimA laganI chAhiye, to ho. karane jaisA ek hI hai. chaitanyako pahachAne to usame.n-se Ananda Adi ananta guN pragaT hote hai.n. bhedaj~nAn karanekA upAy kare. parantu usake liye usakA vichAr, vA.nchan karanA chAhiye, usakI lagan lagAnI chAhiye.

mumukShuH- nira.ntar lagan chAlU rahe, usake liye yah sab puruShArtha karanA?

samAdhAnaH- puruShArtha karanA. usakA vichAr, usakA vA.nchan, bas! mahimAva.nt chaitanya hI hai, aisA nishchay karanA chAhiye ki AtmAme.n hI sab sarvasva hai, bAhar kahI.n nahI.n hai. aisA yadi svaya.nko nishchay aur pratIt ho to svaya.n us orakA vichAr, vA.nchan kar sake. utanA nishchay honA chAhiye ki AtmAme.n hI sab hai, bAharame.n kahI.n nahI.n hai.

gurune kyA kahA hai? shAstrame.n kyA AtA hai? sabakA vichAr karanA. gurune kyA mArga batAyA hai? vah samajhaneke liye koI mumukShukA satsa.ng karanA. gurune kyA kahA hai? shAstrame.n kyA (kahA hai)?

mumukShuH- anubhUtime.n AtmA dikhAI detA hai?

samAdhAnaH- AtmAkI anubhUti hotI hai. AtmAkA svabhAv hai usakA vedan hotA hai. AtmA ananta guNase bharA hai. usame.n j~nAn, AnandAdi ananta guN hai.n. AtmAke darshan hote hai.n, AtmAkA vedan hotA hai.

mumukShuH- arUpI hai to ..


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samAdhAnaH- arUp hai. lekin yah rUpI varNa, gandha ityAdi sab nahI.n hai. arUpI arthAt svaya.n vastu hai na? apane svabhAvako svaya.n dekh sakatA hai. arUpI arthAt svaya.n apane j~nAn-se svaya.nko pahachAn sakatA hai. usakA vedan kar sakatA hai.

.. kevalaj~nAnI bhagavAn bhI, samyagdR^iShTi bhI usakI svAnubhUtime.n use dekh sakashrate hai.n, usakA vedan kar sakate hai.n. svAnubhUtike samay usakA vedan kar sakate hai.n, use pratyakSha dekh sakate hai.n. anubhUtime.n vah pratyakSha hI hai, aisA use darshan hotA hai.

mumukShuH- ..

samAdhAnaH- karma ChUT jAte hai.n. pahale A.nshik svAnubhUti hotI hai. isaliye amuk prakArase kamAkA nAsh hotA hai. phir jaise Age baDhe vaise adhik kamAkA nAsh hotA hai. kevalaj~nAn hotA hai tab pUrNa kamAkA nAsh hotA hai. samyagdarshan ho, svAnubhUti ho tab thoDe kamAkA. svAnubhUti jab hotI hai, isaliye jo ananta bhav usake hote the, us ananta bhavakA abhAv hotA hai, aise karmakA nAsh ho jAtA hai. phir thoDA hI bAkI rahatA hai. ananta bhavakA nAsh ho jAy, aise karmakA nAsh ho jAtA hai. lekin svAnubhUti ho taba.

usakI dR^iShTi karma par nahI.n hai. nij svabhAv par hI dR^iShTi hai. svabhAvakA vedan ho, usI par dR^iShTi hai-svabhAv para. karma to svaya.n ChUT jAte hai.n. ananta bhavakA abhAv ho jAya. aise karmakA nAsh ho jAtA hai. phir to alpa-thoDe rahate hai.n.

... vikalpako to svaya.n jAnatA hai na? jo vikalpa ho rahe hai.n, rAg-dveSh, sa.nkalpa- vikalpa, pUre din bharake vikalpa, sab dhamAlake vikalpa, vyApAr-vyavasAyake jo-jo vikalpa Ate ho, us vikalpako to svaya.n jAnatA hai na? ki ye vikalpa mujhe hue. kitane? subahase shAm tak jo vichAr Aye, us vichArako to jAnatA hai. vah jAnanevAlA kaun hai? sab vichAr to chale jAte hai.n. bachapanase baDA huA, usame.n jo vichAr, vikalpa Aye vah vikalpa to chale gaye. parantu usakA jAnanevAlA vidyamAn hai. use yAd kare to use sab yAd AtA hai. vah jAnanevAlA hai. jAnanevAlA hai vah jAn rahA hai. vah jAnanevAlA andar vidyamAn hai.

charma chakShuse dikhe aisA nahI.n, parantu andar jAnanevAlA hai vah sab yAd karatA hai. usakA astitva hai-jAnanevAlekA. usakI maujUdagI hai, usakA astitva hai? vah jAnanevAA kaun hai? vikalpa to sab chale gaye, parantu use yAd kare to, mujhe aise-aise vichAr Aye the, jAnanevAlA andar hai. yah sharIr kuCh jAnatA nahI.n hai. vah to jAnatA nahI.n, vikalpa to sab Akar chale gaye, andar jAnanevAlA ek tattva vidyamAn hai. vah jAnanevAlekA astitva hai andar, vah jAn rahA hai.


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... vikalpakI jAl to andar chalatI hai. sUkShma hokar dekhe to vikalpakI jAlame.n jAnanevAlA vidyamAn hai. A.Nkh banda karake baiThe to bhI vikalpa-vikalpakI jAl chalatI hai. andar dekhe to andar jAnanevAlA vidyamAn hai. vah jAnanevAlA sab jAn rahA hai. vah jAnanevAlekA astitva hai. jAnanevAlekA astitva hai vah AtmA hai. lekin andar vah use pahachAnatA nahI.n hai. jAnanevAlA hai usame.n ananta guN hai.n. bhedaj~nAn kare, vikalpase bhinna AtmA hai. usakA yathArtha sUkShma hokar bhedaj~nAn kare to svaya.n svaya.nko dekh sakatA hai, svaya.n svaya.nko ved sakatA hai. vah arUpI honeke bAvajUd vah jAnanevAlA jAnanasvarUp hai, vah khyAlame.n le to jAnanevAlekA astitva use khyAlame.n A sakatA hai. vah jAnanevAlekA vedan chalA nahI.n jAtA. jo-jo vichAr Aye usakA jAnanevAlA jyo.n kA tyo.n vidyamAn rahatA hai.

mumukShuH- dhyAnase j~nAt hotA hai? AtmAko prApta karaneke liye..?

samAdhAnaH- samAdhi, parantu use j~nAnapUrvak samAdhi honI chAhiye. bhale adhik shAstra jAne aisA nahI.n, parantu prayojanabhUt to jAnanA (chAhiye). binA jAne dhyAn kare athavA kuCh samajhe binA dhyAn kare to svaya.nko svaya.n pahachAnatA nahI.n hai. vikalpa- vikalpa ChoDe, phir kahA.N khaDe rahanA vah mAlUm nahI.n. svaya.nko pahachAne ki mai.n jAnanevAlA hU.N, ye sab vikalpa hai. is prakAr bhedaj~nAn karake yadi dhyAn kare to usakA dhyAn yathArtha ho. bhedaj~nAn binA aise hI dhyAn kare to use shUnya jaisA, shUnyAkAr jaisA ho jAy, to vah Age nahI.n baDh sakatA.

mumukShuH- aise mAn liyA ki AtmA vastu sachchI hai, phir kaise prApta karanA?

samAdhAnaH- sachchI hai, lekin usane Upar-Uparase jAnA, andarase use usakA svabhAv pahachAnakar jAnanA chAhiye. Upar-Upar-se jAn liyA aisA nahI.n, parantu a.ntarame.n use bhedaj~nAn honA chAhiye. use kShaN-kShaName.n jo-jo vikalpa jo-jo kArya ho, un sabame.n mai.n jAnanevAlA bhinna, bhinna, bhinna hU.N, aisI dhArA use honI chAhiye. mai.n jAnanevAlA bhinna hI hU.N. aisA use andarase bhedaj~nAn honA chAhiye, to usakA dhyAn yathArtha ho. nahI.n to sab ekatva (ho rahA hai). bhinna jAnatA nahI.n hai aur dhyAn kare to use shUnya jaisA ho jAya. sUkShma-sUkShma vikalpa Ave aur use bhram ho jAy ki mere sab vikalpa ChUT gaye, aisA use lage. parantu bhedaj~nAn karake mai.n bhinna hU.N, is prakAr use j~nAn ho to sachchA dhyAn ho.

bhedaj~nAn karake dhyAn kare. svaya.nko pahachAnakar, apanA astitva grahaN karake, to use yathArtha dhyAn ho. dhyAn sachchA parantu j~nAnapUrvakakA dhyAn honA chAhiye. svaya.nko yathArtharUpase dhyAn honA chAhiye. pahachAn kiye binA dhyAn (kare), vah gadhe sI.NgakI bhA.Nti, pahachAn


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kiye binA dhyAn kare usakA phal yathArtha nahI.n AtA.

mumukShuH- bhedaj~nAn prApta karaneke liye satpuruShakA samAgam na?

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, satsamAgam chAhiye. gurudev kyA kahate hai.n, us tattvakA vichAr chAhiye. satsamAgam, tattva vichAr, shAstrakA abhyAs, abhyAs arthAt prayojanabhUt svaya.nko pahachAnanekA aisA (abhyAs) chAhiye. usakI mahimA chAhiye, usakI lagan chAhiye.

mokShakI prApti ho arthAt AtmA chaitanya akelA nirAlA ho jAy aur andar jo ananta j~nAn, ananta darshan, ananta Ananda Adi bhare hai.n, vah sab usake svabhAv pragaT hote hai.n. ananta shakti-se bharA AtmA hai. vah svaya.n a.ntarame.n apane guN sahit pragaT hotA hai. ananta paryAye.n pragaT hotI hai.n, ananta nirmalatA, ananta j~nAn, ananta darshan, ananta Ananda, ananta bal ananta svarUp usakA pragaT hotA hai. usakI dR^iShTi alag ho jAya. svaya.n chaitanya svarUpame.n chaitanyalokame.n chalA jAtA hai. chaitanya svarUpame.n-se use ananta guN pragaT hote hai.n. ananta-ananta svabhAv pragaT hotA hai.

manuShya gatime.n, pragaT manuShya gatime.n hotA hai. parantu kahI.n usane upadesh sunA ho. ananta kAlame.n jIvane ek bAr koI devakA, gurukA upadesh sunA ho aur use andar grahaN kiyA ho to utanA a.ntarame.n ho to use pragaT hotA hai. phir dUsare bhavame.n use koI bhI gatime.n pragaT hotA hai, taiyArI kare to. bAkI kevalaj~nAn to manuShyagatime.n hI hotA hai. .. gatime.n pragaT hotA hai. is manuShya gatime.n taiyArI kare.

samAdhAnaH- ... pahale shraddhA yathArtha karanI ki puNyabhAv aur pApabhAv dono.n vibhAvabhAv hai. aise shraddhA yathArtha karanI. ek j~nAyak svabhAv nirvikalpa tattva, jisame.n koI vikalpa nahI.n hai. aisA j~nAyakatattva mai.n hU.N, usakI shraddhA karake usame.n lInatA karanI, usIse dharma hai. shraddhA yathArtha aisI honI chAhiye. phir jabatak ata.nrame.n svaya.n lIn nahI.n huA hai aur us jAtakI pariNati nahI.n huyI hai, tabatak bIchame.n shubh pariNAm Ate hai.n. parantu vah shubh pariNAm apanA svabhAv nahI.n hai. vah AkulatArUp hai, aisI shraddhA honI chAhiye. parantu jabatak use a.ntarame.n utanI pariNati pragaT nahI.n huyI hai, tabatak bIchame.n shubhabhAv- devake, guruke, shAstrake aise shubhabhAv Ate hai.n. parantu vah use aisA nahI.n mAnatA hai ki isIse mujhe lAbh, sarvasva lAbh hotA hai, aisA nahI.n mAnatA hai.

shraddhA use aisI honI chAhiye ki dono.n bhAvase nyArA mai.n chaitanya nirvikalpa tattva hU.N. parantu jabatak a.ntarame.n pragaT nahI.n huA hai, tabatak bIchame.n dev-guru-shAstrake vichAr Aye binA nahI.n rahate. ashubhabhAvase bachaneke liye shubhabhAvame.n jinendra dev, guru aur shrutake vichAr, shAstrake vichAr usame.n bIchame.n Ate hai.n. parantu vah AtmAkA mUl svabhAv nahI.n hai. aisI shraddhA honI chAhiye. prathamase hI sab ChUT nahI.n jAtA, parantu use shraddhA hotI


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hai, usakA bhedaj~nAn hotA hai.

.... rakhakar sab bAt kI hai. ananta kAlase jIvane dR^iShTi pragaT nahI.n kI hai. dR^iShTi mukhya rakhakar gurudev kahate the. usame.n jisakI jo ruchi aur jisakI grahaN karanekI shakti ho, us anusAr grahaN kar letA hai. jij~nAsuko svaya.nko kyA grahaN karanA usake hAthakI bAt hai.

mumukShuH- .. kI bAt bhI utanI jorase karate the.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, gurudev vah bAt Aye to vah bhI jorase kahate the aur yah bAt Aye to yah jorase kahate the. usame.n gurudevakA kyA abhiprAy aur Ashay hai, use samajhanA paDatA hai. sab bAt karate the. dono.n pahalUse bAt AtI thI.

paryAy dravya binA nirAdhAr nahI.n hotI. tathApi dravya-guN-paryAyakA svarUp samajhAneke liye, guNakA yah svarUp, dravyakA aur paryAyakA a.nshakA svarUp, usakA bhinna-bhinna svarUp varNan karaneme.n Aye tab aisA Aye. bAkI dravya aur paryAy ekadam TUkaDe (nahI.n hai). do dravya svata.ntra hai.n, vaise paryAy aur dravya us prakArase svata.ntra ho to do dravya ho jAya. to use paryAy hI nahI.n kah sakate. to phir do dravya ho jAte hai.n. parantu paryAyako dravyakA Ashray hotA hai.

jitanI svata.ntratA do dravyakI hai, utane hI paryAy aur dravya svata.ntra ho to use paryAy hI nahI.n kahate. usake svarUpase usakA a.nsh svata.ntra hai. parantu vah paryAy dravyake Ashrayase (hotI hai). kisakI paryAy hai? chaitanyakI paryAy hai. isaliye paryAyako chaitanyakA Ashray hai.

mumukShuH- svapname.n bahut bAr Aye to ... ?

samAdhAnaH- aisI vyaktigat bAt kyA pUChanI? svapna bhI Aye, gurudev pravachan karate ho aisA bhI Aye, anek jAtakA Aye. itane varSha yahA.N vyatIt kiye ho to vah to Aye na. aisA dikhAv, mAhol aisA ho jAtA hai ki gurudev virAjate hI hai.n, aisA ho gayA. sabake bhAvame.n aisA ho gayA. svargame.n to virAjate hai.n. kShetrase dUr hai. yahA.N sabako bhAvame.n aisA Arop ho gayA thA ki gurudev yahA.N virAjate hai.n. upayog rakhe to j~nAname.n to sab j~nAt hotA hai. avadhij~nAnakA upayog rakhe to sab j~nAt ho. yah bharatakShetra aur mahAvideh kShetra sab unhe.n dikhatA hai. gurudevako to sab khyAl hotA hai. yahA.N sabako aisA ho gayA ki gurudev yahA.N virAjate hai.n. aisA ho gayA thA. .. kisIko dekhaneme.n A gaye ho to kisIne dekhA ho. A gaye ho to virAjate to hai.n, kisIko mAlUm thoDA hI paDatA hai, A gaye ho to.

mumukShuH- kisIko dikhAI diye ho aur kisIko dikhAI na diye ho.


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samAdhAnaH- pa.nchamakAl hai, kisIko kahA.N dikhAI de. samAdhAnaH- ... shuddhAtmA merA AtmA, sab vikalpase bhinna AtmA kaise pragaT hove? aisA AtmAkA bhedaj~nAn nyArA jab hove tab bhavakA abhAv hotA hai.

mumukShuH- ...?

samAdhAnaH- tab hotA hai. ananta kAlame.n .. bhavakA abhAv hotA hai. to bhItarame.n sukh aur Ananda pragaT hotA hai. ... hai nahI.n. mai.n to vItarAg svabhAv hU.N, ye kaShAyabhAv hai. vah koI merA svabhAv nahI.n hai. bhinnatAkA aisA vichAr karanA. puruShArthakI mandatAse, ekatvabuddhise Avegase A jAtA hai to puruShArtha palaT denA, AtmAkA vichAr karanA.

mumukShuH- ham to AtmAko..

samAdhAnaH- ruchi karanA. AtmA-orakI ruchi manda hai. ruchi bAhar jAtI hai, kaShAyamay ho jAtI hai. ruchi karanA. AtmAkA svabhAv hai vahI kalyANakArI hai. aur sab duHkharUp AkulatAmay hai. aisA vichAr karanA, nirNay karanA. aisI pratIt karanA.

mumukShuH- ..

samAdhAnaH- AtmAkI ruchi nahI.n hai. anAdikA abhyAs hai, chalA jAtA hai. ruchi nahI.n hai. isaliye bhItarame.n jo vichAr AtA hai, A jAtA hai. utanI AtmAkI ruchi nahI.n hai, dev-guru-shAstra par utanA bhAv nahI.n hai. aur bhItarame.n AtmAkI ruchi nahI.n hai, isaliye dUsarA vichAr A jAtA hai.

mumukShuH- apanA gR^ihastha jIvan bhI aisA honA chAhiye ki din bhar vAtAvaraN dhArmik hI rahe. parantu gurukA (samAgam) nahI.n milatA hai. guru binA j~nAn nahI.n hotA.

samAdhAnaH- aisA samAgam nahI.n mile to bhItar-se taiyArI karanA, apane AtmAkI ruchi baDhAnA. jinendra dev, guru, shAstra hR^idayame.n rakhanA aur AtmAkI ruchi pragaT karanA.

mumukShuH- pravachan sanate hai.n, shAstra sunate hai.n to sunate hai.n to ekadam alag hI bhAv lagate hai.n. aisA nahI.n, aisA karanA chAhiye.

samAdhAnaH- ruchi kam hai na. sachchA shravaN milatA hai vah sunanA aur AtmAkA vichAr karanA. apaneAp karanA mushkil hai.

prashamamUrti bhagavatI mAtano jay ho!