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samAdhAnaH-... vR^iddhAvasthA aur dUsarA?

mumukShuH- mR^ityu-mauta.

samAdhAnaH- kuCh bhay vAlA nahI.n hai, sabako bhay lagatA hai.

mumukShuH- kisakA lagatA hai?

samAdhAnaH- is sharIrakA rAg hai ekatvabuddhikA, isaliye. sharIrame.n vR^iddhAvasthA Aye vah kisIko posAtI nahI.n aur maraNakA bhay hai, isaliye mR^ityu achChI nahI.n lagatI. svaya.nko achChA nahI.n lagatA. AtmA to vastukA svabhAv hai. sharIr dhAraN kare vah ChUTatA hI hai. ek sharIr dhAraN kare, dUsarA kare.. jabatak bhavakA abhAv nahI.n huA hai tabatak sharIr dhAraN karegA. parantu usako svaya.nko sharIrakI ekatvabuddhi, sharIrakA rAg hai. isaliye use bhay lagatA hai. sharIrase bhinna nahI.n honA hai. bhinna hI hai, parantu ekatvabuddhi aisI hai ki use bhinna nahI.n honA hai. isaliye use bhay lagatA hai. vR^iddhAvasthA.n eva.n mR^ityu bhay nahI.n karavAte, parantu svaya.n DaratA hai. svaya.nko mR^ityu achChI nahI.n lagatI, svaya.nko vR^iddhAvasthA achChI nahI.n lagatI.

mumukShuH- vR^iddhAvasthA Aye to sahI.

samAdhAnaH- Aye binA nahI.n rahegI.

mumukShuH- phir bhI usakA bhay lagatA rahatA hai.

samAdhAnaH- bhay lagatA hai. vR^iddhAvasthAme.n sharIr kAm nahI.n karatA, isaliye bhay lagatA hai. ekatvabuddhi hai. to bhI use vairAgya nahI.n hotA ki sa.nsArakA svarUp to aisA hI hai. vairAgyako prApta hokar AtmAkA kar lenA. vR^iddhAvasthA Anese pahale AtmAkA kar lenA, aise puruShArtha karatA nahI.n, vairAgya nahI.n karatA aur bhayabhIt hotA hai. vairAgya lAnA chAhiye. umra baDI ho isaliye sharIr kAm nahI.n karatA. baiThaneme.n, UThaneme.n, dekhaneme.n, sunaneme.n sabame.n takalIph ho jAtI hai. pahalese kar lenA hai, aisA svaya.nko vairAgya karanA chAhiye.

mumukShuH- bAkI koI bhay rakhane jaisA nahI.n hai.

samAdhAnaH- bhay rakhane jaisA nahI.n hai. bhay kisakA hai? vah to vastukA svarUp

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hai, aisA banane vAlA hI hai.

mumukShuH- svaya.n to rahane vAlA hI hai.

samAdhAnaH- svaya.n to nitya hai. svaya.nko svaya.nkA svarUp sAdh lenA, svaya.nke svarUpako sa.NbhAlakar svaya.nko Atma svarUpakI prApti kar lenI, yahI karanA hai. vR^iddhAvasthA koI nayI nahI.n hai, sabako dikhatA hI hai. aisA to sa.nsArame.n banatA hI AyA hai. usakA bhay rakhanA to vyartha hai. vairAgyako prApta hokar svaya.nko svaya.nkA kar lenA.

mumukShuH- AtmAko achChA laganA, nahI.n laganA..

samAdhAnaH- achChA nahI.n lage to bhI vah to svarUp hI hai, vah to banegA hI, achChA lage yA nahI.n. usame.n kisIkA upAy nahI.n chalatA. chAhe jitane DAkTar bulAye, davAI kare to bhI vR^iddhAvasthA AnevAlI hai, mR^ityu hogA, chAhe jaise DAkTar bulAye. baDe- baDe rAjA aur chakravartI chale jAte hai.n. sAgaropamakA devo.nkA AyuShya bhI pUrA ho jAtA hai. vah to AnevAlA hI hai, achChA lage yA nahI.n, vah to hogA hI. sabakA pUrA hotA hai. isaliye svaya.nko pahachAn lenA, usakA-sharIrakA rAg ChoD denA. yah sa.nsAr aisA hI hai. isaliye vairAgyako prApta hokar AtmAkA kar lene jaisA hai.

AtmA shAshvat hai, is janma-maraNase kaise ChUTA jAye? andar jo AkUlatA hotI hai, usase kaise ChUTe? vikalpa svaya.nkA svabhAv nahI.n hai, to phir sharIr kahA.N apanA hai? achChA lage yA nahI.n, achChA nahI.n lage to bhI banane vAlA hai. vah to banegA hI. devo.nkA sAgaropamakA AyuShya bhI pUrNa ho jAtA hai. to manuShya to kyA hisAbame.n hai? chakravartIkA chaturtha kAlame.n kitanA lambA AyuShya thA, to vah bhI pUrA ho jAtA hai.

mumukShuH- abhI jyAdA duHkh lagatA hai, huNDAvasarpiNI kAl hai isaliye jyAdA duHkh lagatA hai?

samAdhAnaH- kAlake kAraN duHkh nahI.n lagatA, svaya.nkI kShatike kAraN duHkh lagatA hai.

mumukShuH- huNDAvarsapiNIkA matalab kyA?

samAdhAnaH- abhI aise jIv janma lete hai.n, vaise hI jIv (Ate hai.n). chaturtha kAlake bahut sIdhe eva.n saral jIv the. abhI sab pariNAm aise ho gaye hai.n. kAl kyA karatA hai? apanI yogyatA aisI hai. chaturtha kAlame.n puNyoday jyAdA thA, pApake kam the. abhI pApakA uday jyAdA ho gayA aur sab baDh gayA hai, usakA kAraN jIv hI aise (hai.n), aisA karma lekar svaya.n hI AtA hai, usame.n kAl kyA kare?

mumukShuH- asa.nkhyAt kAl chakravAt honeke bAd aisA huNDAvasarpiNI kAl AtA hai. asa.nkhyAt kAlachakrake bAda. aisA viSham kAl AyA, huNDAvasarpiNI jaisA.

samAdhAnaH- kAl AyA, aise kAlame.n janma kaun letA hai? ki jisane aise bhAv

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kiye ho.n, vah janmatA hai. usame.n kAl kyA kare? aise bhAv vAle jIv hote hai.n ki aise kAlame.n janmate hai.n. parantu gurudevake pratApase bIchame.n kAl achChA A gayA ki gurudevakA janma huA, sabako mArga prApta huA. bAharake puNya-pApake sa.nyog ek or rah gaye, bAkI gurudevakA janma huA vah dharmakA kAl bIchame.n A gayA. bIchame.n chaturtha kAl A gayA.

mumukShuH- aur abhI bhI vartatA hI hai.

samAdhAnaH- gurudevakA pratAp abhI bhI vartatA hI hai.

mumukShuH- abhI to ApakA pratAp hai. sonagaDhame.n chaturtha kAl vartatA hai.

mumukShuH- chImanabhAI kahate hai.n, yahA.N to sab bhUl jAtA hU.N. ... hAth ghumAtA rahatA hU.N, dhaDakan ginatA rahatA hU.N, yahA.N to sIne par hAth rakhatA hU.N to bhagavAnakI gu.Nj uThatI hai. pahale hR^idayakI dhaDakan sunAI detI thI, ab AtmAkI sunAI detI hai.

samAdhAnaH- ... chAro.n or bhagavAnake mandir hai.n. chAro.n or gurudevakI Tep chalatI hai. AtmAkI bAte.n ho rahI hai. dharmakAl bIchame.n A gayA. aisA mArga gurudevane prakAshit kiyA. chAro.n or unakI vANI aisI joradAr thI, AtmAko darshAye aisI vANI thI. puNyakA kAl, bIchame.n dharmakAl A gayA. pa.nchamakAlame.n aisA-aisA koI-koI kAl A jAtA hai, huNDAvasarpiNI honeke bAvajUd bhI.

mumukShuH- .. asa.nkhyAt kAlachakra honeke bAd aisA huNDa kAl AtA hai. asa.nkhyAt kAlachakrame.n aisA..

samAdhAnaH- aisA yog milA aur usame.n gurudev mile. aisA yog bhI ananta kAlake bAd milatA hai, gurudev mile aisA. is pa.nchamakAlame.n gurudev kahA.N-se mile? aisI vANI, aisA mArga darshAnevAle kahA.N-se prApta ho? aur munio.n pahale bahut ho gaye hai.n, unho.nne kitanI vANI barasAI! shAstro.nme.n abhI chalI A rahI hai. gurudevane sab mumukShuo.nke bIch rahakar itane sAl vANI barasAI. aisA to kabhI-kabhI banatA hai. koI ja.ngalame.n chale jAye. ye to mumukShuo.nke bIch rahakar itane sAl vANI barasAyI, ye to mahAbhAgyakI bAt hai.

mumukShuH- Aj subah vichAr AyA, svAdhyAy mandirako 50 varSha ho.nge. svarNa mahotsav manAnA hai. koI bhI mandirase svAdhyAy shreShTha mandir svAdhyAy mandir hai, jahA.N kevalaj~nAnakA hI ghUTan huA hai aur samayasArakI sthApanA huI hai. 50 varSha pUrNa ho.nge.

samAdhAnaH- gurudevane baraso.n tak svAdhyAy mandirame.n vANI barasAyI. baraso.n tak yahA.N birAje.

mumukShuH- popaTabhAI ...ne svAdhyAy mandir nAm rakhA thA.

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samAdhAnaH- baraso.n pahale yahA.N kuCh nahI.n thA. sab mandir (bane). jab svAdhyAy mandir huA tab vahA.N kuCh nahI.n thA. gurudevake pratApase sab vahA.N ho gayA.

mumukShuH- gurudev kahate the ki, yahA.N to bhai.ns ghUmatI thI.

samAdhAnaH- hIrAbhAIkI dukAnase lekar yahA.N tak aisA lage ki ja.ngalame.n hai. ja.ngalame.n hai.n aisA lage.

mumukShuH- vairAgya eva.n udAsInatA..

samAdhAnaH- ek hI hai. lagabhag ek hI hai. vairAgya arthAt parase bhinna hokar apaneme.n (Aye), udAsInatA bhI vahI hai. udAs ho jAye, usame.n bhI vahI hai.

mumukShuH- upashamapanA?

samAdhAnaH- upashamame.n kaShAyakI upashamatA, usame.n thoDA pharka hai. juDanA nahI.n, kaShAyake vegame.n bahanA nahI.n. shA.nt pariNAm rakhe, kahI.n bahe nahI.n, vah upashama. tIvra kaShAy, jo mumukShukI bhUmikAko shobhate nahI.n aise kaShAyo.nme.n bah nahI.n jAtA, vah upashamabhAva. .. usakI kyA bAt!

... (jin) pratimA jin sArakhI kahaneme.n AtI hai. usame.n bhAvanA vAleko ek hI dikhAI detA hai, pratimA aur bhagavAname.n kuCh pharka nahI.n dikhatA. bhAvase dekhe use bhagavAnakI pratimAme.n pharka nahI.n dikhatA. jin pratimA jin sArakhI, aisA shAstrame.n AtA hai. alpa bhav sthiti jAkI, so hI jin pratimA paramAnai, jin sArakhI, aisA AtA hai.

jagatame.n ratna bhI bhagavAnarUp pariNamit ho rahe hai.n. bhagavAn jagatame.n sarvotkR^iShTa hai.n to kudaratame.n shAshvat pratimAe.N hai.n. shAshvat mandir eva.n shAshvat pratimAe.N. merume.n, na.ndishvarame.n, Urdhva, madhya, adholokame.n chAro.n or hai.n.

mumukShuH- ratna aisI pratimArUp pariNamate hai.n?

samAdhAnaH- pratimArUp ratna pariNamate hai.n. sAdhAraN patthar nahI.n, balki uchcha ratno.nke paramANurUp aise ska.ndh pratimArUp pariNamit ho gaye hai.n. sab shAstrame.n AtA hai.

mumukShuH- kR^itrim nahI.n, ratna hI aise pariNamit hue hai.n.

samAdhAnaH- ye pudagal ratnarUp pariNamit hokar sab pratimArUp hokar, usake AkAr pratimA mAno.n sAkShAt bhagavAn hI baiThe hai.n, ekamAtra vANI nahI.n, utanA. samavasaraName.n baiThe ho.n aise hUbahU. pA.Nchasau-pA.Nchasau dhanuShakI (pratimAe.N). kisIne nahI.n banAyA, apane Apa. kudarat mAno kahatI hai ki jagatame.n bhagavAn sarvotkR^iShTa hai.

mumukShuH- na.ndishvar dvip dekhA tab Ashcharya hotA thA. shAshvat bhagavAn kisaprakAr ho.nge? Aj spaShTa huA, Aj spaShTa huA.

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samAdhAnaH- parvat par mandir, kisIne nahI.n banAyA, apaneAp, svaya.n (hI hai). jaise bhagavAn hai.n barAbar vaise, koI pharka nahI.n.

mumukShuH- usakI yAtrA ho sakatI hai?

samAdhAnaH- vah to dev kar sakate hai.n. na.ndishvarakI yAtrA to. meru parvatakI yAtrA vidyAdhar ho vah kar sakate hai.n, koI dev le jAye to kar sakatA hai. vidyAdhar ho to jA sakate hai.n. koI shaktishAlI muni ho.n to jA sakate hai.n. bAkI na.ndishvarame.n to dev hI jAte hai.n. manuShya nahI.n jA sakate. na.ndishvarame.n manuShya nahI.n hote, dev hI hote hai.n.

mumukShuH- aisA kahate hai.n, yahA.N na.ndishvarame.n Ate hai.n na, dev ho vahI A sakate hai.n. aise.

samAdhAnaH- .. sab hotA hai.

mumukShuH- .. hame.n kahate the ki ApakA bhI koI pratAp hai. ham Aj gurudevakI Ap par apAr kR^ipA thI aur vah kR^ipA Aj hamAre par baras rahI hai, Apake dvArA. aisA ham mAne.n to kuCh galat hai?

samAdhAnaH- sab gurudevakA pratAp hai.

mumukShuH- bhagavAn.. bhagavAna. kundakundAchAryane bhI kabhI apanA nAm nahI.n Ane diyA. .. shruta.ndhar bhadrabAhu .. bhagavAna. vaise Ap bhI kahI.n...

samAdhAnaH- sab mUl mArga to gurudevane prakAshit kiyA hai. sab gurudevakA hI hai.

mumukShuH- bAt bilakUl satya hai, parantu Aj bhI hame.n gurudevakA smaraN karavAne vAle bhI Ap hI ho na.

samAdhAnaH- sab gurudev hI hai, apan to unake dAs hai.n. Ap log kuCh bhI kaho.

mumukShuH- bahinashrI! hame.n aisA lagatA hai, ham gurudevako dekhate the, jab ve Apako Ate dekhate the aur kabhI .. koI ahobhAvase dekhate the. ahobhAvase. mAno bhagavAnakA ek namUnA AtA ho! aisA unako bhI lagatA thA, aisA ham barAbar anubhav karate the. isaliye gurudevake hR^idayame.n ApakA sthAn koI anerA thA, anerA thA. Aj tak unake hR^idayame.n yadi kisIne sthAn jamAyA ho to ek mAtra bahinashrI hai, aur koI nahI.n. atya.nt karuNA thI. bahinashrIkA nAm Aye to unakA hR^iday ullasit ho jAtA thA. puruShArtha.. puruShArtha..

mumukShuH- shrImadakA andar paDhA thA, agAsake koI pustakame.n, samIp samay aj~nAt, bas, yah rakhanA, samIp samay aj~nAta. ...

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mumukShuH- jab akelA baiThA thA tab bAra.nbAr yAd AtA hai ki bahinashrI jab bhAIke liye vishiShTa puruShakI bAt karate hai.n, tab vishiShTa bhUtakAlake, vartamAnake yA bhaviShyake? ye mujhe .. vishiShTa puruSh kahate hai.n to vishiShTatAkA shabdArtha aur samay..

samAdhAnaH- kuCh kahanA nahI.n hai, vah to bol diyA hogA.

mumukShuH- spaShTatA hogI to usame.n kisIko koI nukasAnakA kAraN nahI.n hogA, lAbhakA kAraN hogA.

samAdhAnaH- gurudevake pratApase sabako AtmAkI sAdhanA karanI hai, sabako sAdhanA karanI hai.

mumukShuH- ... bhAI hai yA bahan hai, aisA ham nahI.n ginate. pavitra AtmAe.N hai.n aur pavitra AtmAke puruShArthame.n...

samAdhAnaH- Apako jaisA mAnanA ho vaisA mAno, mai.n kuCh nahI.n kahatI hU.N. bolA hogA, bAkI kuCh nahI.n kahanA hai.

samAdhAnaH- .. dhAraNAme.n hotA hai, lekin andar utanI jij~nAsA aur laganI ho to a.ntarame.n Aye. a.ntarase svabhAv pahachAnanA chAhiye. a.ntarase svabhAv nahI.n pahachAnatA, isaliye dhAraNAme.n rah jAtA hai. svaya.nke puruShArthakI mandatAkA kAraN, ruchikI mandatA, puruShArthakI mandatA hai isaliye nahI.n hotA. tIvra jij~nAsA ho, tIvra laganI ho to a.ntarame.n AtA hai. a.ntarame.n kyo.n nahI.n ho rahA hai? vichArame.n AtA hai, a.ntarame.n kyo.n nahI.n AtA hai, aise laganI laganI chAhiye. kyo.n bAhar hI bAhar rahatA hai? kyo.n a.ntarame.nse nahI.n AtA? usakI laganI a.ntarame.n laganI chAhiye, to hotA hai.

(laganI) lage use thoDA samajhe to bhI ho jAtA hai. shivabhUti muni kuCh nahI.n samajhate the. mAtra prayojanabhUt tattvako samajhe ki mai.n bhinna aur ye sharIr bhinna, ye vibhAv merA svabhAv nahI.n hai, sabase mai.n bhinna hU.N, aisA bhedaj~nAn kiyA. parantu jise a.ntarase lagA, a.ntarase AtmAko grahaN kar liyA. to a.ntarame.n svaya.n gaharAIme.n Utare to hotA hai. gaharAIme.n UtaratA nahI.n isaliye Upar-Uparase sab chalatA rahatA hai. yadi prayatna kare, bhale gaharAIme.n nahI.n jAye parantu samajhanekA prayatna kare vah bhI ThIk hai, lekin a.ntarame.nse ho, yathArtha to tab hotA hai.