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mumukShuH- Ap kahate ho, andarase chaitanyakA bharosA AnA chAhiye. vah kaise Ave?

samAdhAnaH- a.ntarame.n-se apanI taiyArI ho, nij svabhAvakI mahimA Aye ki yah mai.n hU.N aur yah mai.n nahI.n hU.N, aisI mahimA Aye to vishvAs Ave.

mumukShuH- mokShamArga prakAshakame.n ToDaramalajI sAhabane pIChe svAnubhavake viShayame.n diyA hai ki jab j~nAnI svarUp dhyAname.n jAtA hai, tab bAharame.n shabdAdikA vikAr Adi jAnaneme.n nahI.n AtA hai. to mAn lo, banduk kI AvAj ho rahI hai yA bAharame.n koI manuShya bol rahA ho, yadi svarUp dhyAn lag gayA ho to usako us samayame.n AvAjakA sambandha TUT jAtA hogA. agar khyAlame.n AtA hai to shuddhaupayog nahI.n ban pAyA.

samAdhAnaH- bAhar kuCh hove to, shuddhaupayogame.n lIn hoe to usako kuCh mAlUm nahI.n paDatA. bAhar upayog nahI.n hai isaliye mAlUm nahI.n paDatA. aisA lIn ho jAtA hai, svabhAvame.n aisA lIn ho jAtA hai ki bAharame.n kuCh bhI hove usako khyAl nahI.n rahatA. aur svAnubhUtime.n itanA lIn ho jAtA hai ki bAhar kuCh bhI hove, to khyAl nahI.n rahatA. mAlUm nahI.n paDatA hai. svabhAvame.n lIn ho jAtA hai.

ChadmasthakA upayog jahA.N jAtA hai, svame.n jAtA hai to svame.n lIn ho gayA hai. svabhAv chaitanyamUrti j~nAn, Anandase bharA hai usakA vedan hotA hai. bAharakA khyAl nahI.n rahatA hai. koI AvAj hotI hai, aisA hotA hai to bhI khyAl nahI.n rahatA.

mumukShuH- kAl thoDA hotA hai, usase palaT jAtA hai to phir khyAlame.n A jAtA hogA?

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, phir khyAlame.n AtA hai. a.ntarmuhUrtakA kAl hai. phir palaT jAy to khyAlame.n AtA hai.

mumukShuH- muniko sa.nyam, niyam aur tap sabame.n AtmA samIp hI rahatA hai.

samAdhAnaH- "sa.nyam, niyam ne tap viShe AtmA samIp Che'. AtmA samIp rahatA hai.

mumukShuH- yahA.N sa.nyamakA artha kyA a.ntarmukh svasanmukhatAkA vedan yA bAharakA kaise baiThatA hai?

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samAdhAnaH- a.ntarakA sa.nyam hai. "sa.nyam niyam tap viShe AtmA samIp'. AtmAkI jo mukhyatA, AtmAkI UrdhvatA, AtmAkI samIpatA, AtmA dravyadR^iShTi to sAthame.n rahatI hai. dravyadR^iShTike sAthame.n AcharaN, usakA sa.nyam, tap sab sAthame.n.n rahatA hai. shuddharUp sa.nyam, shuddhAtmAkA sa.nyam, niyam sab sAthame.n rahatA hai. shubh pariNAm hove to bhI usako dravyadR^iShTi rahatI hai. sa.nyam, vAstavik sa.nyam to svarUpame.n lInatA ho, vah sa.nyam hai. svarUpame.n ugratA ho vah tap hai, vAstavik tapa. sa.nyam, niyamame.n AtmAkI samIpatA jisame.n rahatI hai. AtmAkA AcharaN jisame.n rahatA hai, AtmAkA tap jisame.n rahatA hai usako sa.nyam, niyam, tap sab kahaneme.n AtA hai. AtmA jisame.n mukhya rahatA hai.

mumukShuH- bAharakA jo shubhabhAv Adi hotA hai, usako isake andar shAmil nahI.n kiyA.

samAdhAnaH- vah shAmil nahI.n hai. vah sAthame.n.n rahatA hai. pAriNAmikabhAv dravyadR^iShTij~nake sAthame.n sa.nyam, niyam, tap, svarUpame.n lInatA sab usake sAth (hotA hai). samyagdarshanapUrvak jo sa.nyam, niyam, tap hove usako sa.nyam, niyam, tap (kahate hai.n). samyagdarshanapUrvak hotA hai usako kahaneme.n AtA hai. AtmAme.n-se sa.nyam pragaT hotA hai. AtmAme.n-se niyam, AtmAme.n- se tap ye sab hotA hai. usake sAth shubh pariNAm usakI bhUmikA anusAr shubh pariNAm rahatA hai. pa.nch mahAvrat, aNuvrat usake sAth rahate hai.n. to upachArase sa.nyam, niyam kahaneme.n AtA hai.

mumukShuH- un par upachArase kathan AtA hai.

samAdhAnaH- upachArase kathan hai.

mumukShuH- ek jagah aur Apane likhA hai usame.n, mujhe parakI chintA nahI.n, mujhe parakI chintAkA kyA prayojan hai? merA AtmA sadaiv akelA hI hai. aisA j~nAnI jAnate hai.n. bhUmikA anusAr shubhabhAv Ate hai.n. yahA.N bhUmikA anusAr shubhabhAv Ate hai.n, to j~nAnIko to shubh-ashubh dono.n banate hai.n. yahA.N sirpha shabdame.n shubhabhAv Ate hai.n to yahA.N par to munikA hI laganA paDe.

samAdhAnaH- bhUmikAke anusAr shubhabhAv AtA hai. vah ... to usakI bhUmikAke anusAr, isaliye shubhabhAvakI bAt kI hai. isaliye vah munikA artha nahI.n hai. mujhe kyA prayojan hai?

mumukShuH- bhUmikA anusAr shubhAshubh dono.n Ate hai.n.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, vah to dono.n Ate hai.n. ek shubhabhAv AtA hai aisA nahI.n hai, dono.n Ate hai.n. parantu shubhabhAvakI bAt kI hai. Ate to dono.n hai.n. vah bAt AtI hai na? mujhe kyA prayojan hai.

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mumukShuH- 87 bolame.n.

samAdhAnaH- shubhase bAt kI hai. mujhe usake sAth kyA prayojan hai? mujhe AtmAke sAth prayojan hai, bAharake sAth prayojan nahI.n hai. shubh bhUmikAke anusAr hote hai.n. usakI visheShatA nahI.n hai. vah to bhUmikA anusAr hote hai.n. jIv aTak jAtA hai to shubhame.n aTak jAtA hai. mujhe kisIkA prayojan nahI.n hai. mujhe AtmAkA prayojan hai.

mumukShuH- Apake jAtismaraN j~nAname.n ham pAmaro.nkA bhI uddhAr AyA hogA.

samAdhAnaH- jo svarUp samajhe usakA uddhAr hotA hai. jo AtmAkA svarUp samajhe, bhedaj~nAn kare, usakA uddhAr-usakA bhavakA abhAv hotA hai. AtmAkA svarUp samajhe, usame.n lInatA kare to usako AnandakA vedan hotA hai, svAnubhUti hotI hai. A.nshik mukti to jab svAnubhUti hotI hai tab A.nshik mukti hotI hai. visheSh mukti to Age baDhe to munio.nko ChaThave.n-sAtave.n guNasthAname.n jhulate hai.n to unhe.n visheSh AnandakA (vedan hotA hai), visheSh mukta dashA hotI hai. pUrNa mukti to kevalaj~nAn hotA hai tab hotI hai. bAdame.n siddha dashA hotI hai. jo AtmAkA karatA hai, usako bhavakA abhAv hotA hai.

mumukShuH- trikAl svabhAvako upAdeyapane grahaN karatA hai yA trikAlako mAtra jAnatA hai? anubhavake kAlame.n j~nAn svasanmukh huA. svasanmukh j~nAyak svabhAvako pakaDatA hai to j~nAyak svabhAvako upAdeyapane grahaN karatA hai yA mAtra trikAlI j~nAyakako j~nAn jAnatA hai?

samAdhAnaH- upAdeyapane jAnatA hai, upAdeyapane. dR^iShTi aur j~nAn dono.n upAdeyapane (grahaN karate hai.n). j~nAn dono.n jAnatA hai. j~nAn apane trikAl svabhAvako aur jo guNabhed, paryAy hai usako bhI jAnatA hai. aur j~nAn apaneko upAdeyapane jAnatA hai.

mumukShuH- ... jAnanA huA?

samAdhAnaH- hA.N. j~nAn jAnatA hai.

mumukShuH- rAgakA j~nAn to dUsare na.nbarame.n paDatA hai. kyo.nki shuddhopayogame.n to j~nAn trikAlIkI or chalA jAtA hai. to upAdeyapane svako grahaN, j~nAname.n j~ney karake jAnaneme.n svasanmukhatA le letA hai. to phir rAgako bhI jAnatA hai, aisA shAstrame.n likhAnaname.n AtA hai. to phir dUsare samayake upayogake parasanmukhatAke kAlakA varNan hai?

samAdhAnaH- savikalpa dashAme.n jAnatA hai. nirvikalpatAme.n to rAg hai nahI.n. upayogAtmak to nahI.n hai. khyAlame.n nahI.n AtA hai rAg, to abuddhipUrvak ho jAtA hai. abuddhipUrvak ho jAtA hai.

mumukShuH- abuddhipUrvak vah ho jAtA hai, matalab j~nAnIkA upayog svako j~ney karaneme.n ekAgra ho jAtA hai? janAneme.n.n AtA nahI.n isaliye abuddhipUrvak ho jAtA hai. buddhipUrvakakA to hotA nahI.n.

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samAdhAnaH- upayog apanA chalA jAy, isaliye rAg bhI abuddhipUrvak ho jAtA hai. upayog gayA to rAg bhI manda ho gayA hai. bAhar upayog Ave to rAg bhI AtA hai.

mumukShuH- tIvratA le letA hogA?

samAdhAnaH- hA.N.

mumukShuH- matij~nAn, shrutaj~nAnake andar puruShArtha hai? ruchime.n svabhAvakA jor rahatA hai, bolaneme.n bahut bAr AtA hai. lekin upayog haTe to na.

samAdhAnaH- bolanA, vichArame.n AnA aur karanA...

mumukShuH- alag bAt ho gayI.

samAdhAnaH- jAnanA dUsarI bAt hai aur karanA dUsarI bAt hai.

mumukShuH- gyArah a.ngame.n nau pUrvakA j~nAn jAnaneme.n khulA, lekin anubhUti binA .. rah gaye, koreke kore.

samAdhAnaH- jAnanekI bAt dUsarI hotI hai, karanekI bAt (dUsarI hai).

mumukShuH- jIv hamArA ThagA nA aise, j~nAnakA kShayopasham bahut dekhA, bahut dharmAtmA ho.nge, aisA ho.nge, aisA bhav-bhavame.n, yA kriyAkANDame.n dekhakar ThagA gayA. lekin a.ntarakI dR^iShTi aur anubhavake kAryakI kalA to bilakUl rah gayI.

samAdhAnaH- ruchi yathArtha hove to apanI or Aye binA rahatA nahI.n. ruchi hove to.

mumukShuH- Ajakal ek aisA vAtAvaraN-mAhol chalatA hai, bahut-se aisA kahate hai.n, jab mereko Apake pratAp-se kahI.n bAhar jAnekA ban jAtA hai, tab pravachan Adike yogame.n baDA duHkh lagatA hai. to aisA ek prashna khaDA hai ki ham to kAnajIsvAmI gurudevake pAs gaye hue hai.n. aisA kahate hai.n. kAnajIsvAmIkA darshan kiyA hai, pravachan sunA hai, aisA. aur kAnajIsvAmI gurudevakI jay bhI sab log bolate hai.n. aisA ek vAtAvaraN-sA mAhol AtA hai. to us samay mai.n kahatA hU.N, vachanAmR^it Adi chalatA hai, aur bhI bAte.n chalatI hai. to mai.nne kahA, agar gurudevashrIke pAs A pahu.Nche hai.n to gurudevashrIko Apane dekhA hai to kyA dekhA? kyA gurudevako sharIr dekhA? kyA unakI ..dekhI? kyA unake vastra dekhe? kyA unakI vANI dekhI? shailI dekhI? j~nAnakA kShayopasham dekhA? kAnajIsvAmI kise kahate hai.n? ye pahale mereko Ap batA do. usake bAdame.n Apase bAt karu.N. merA abhiprAy to.. mai.n bAlak hU.N, ApakA bachchA hU.N, lekin phir bhI j~nAnIkA kyA dekhanA ki jo dekhA huA sachchA dekhA kahaneme.n Ave? jisakA darshan karane-se vAstavame.n kAnajIsvAmI mile hai.n, merI sandhi juD jAya. aisA merA nivedan hai.

samAdhAnaH- a.ntar-se dekhanA chAhiye. unakA AtmA kyA kArya karatA thA? vah

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dekhanA chAhiye. unakI vANIme.n kyA AtA thA? vah apUrvatA kaise AtI thI? unakA AtmA kyA kArya karatA hai? bhedaj~nAnakI dhArA kaisI thI? ve apUrva AtmAkI kaisI bAt karate the? vah dekhanA chAhiye. bAharase dekhane-se dekhanA (nahI.n huA). unakA a.ntar dekhanA chAhiye. unakI a.ntarakI shailI-a.ntarakI pariNati-jo kAm karatI thI usako dekhanA chAhiye. a.ntar pariNati jo kAm karatI thI vah unakI vANIme.n AtA thA. vANIke pIChe ve kyA kahate the, usakA Ashay samajhanA chAhiye. vah dekhanA chAhiye.

mumukShuH- nikaTame.n ek kShetrame.n rahate hue bhI, aise param kR^ipAlu mahAn gurudev, chaitanya hIrA hindustAnakA thA. jinakA a.ntara.ngakA abhiprAy... darshan aur milan huA hai. bAkI to..

samAdhAnaH- unakA abhiprAy nahI.n samajhA to kahA.N mile hai.n. hindustAname.n ve mahAn pratApI the. sabako jagA diyA. sabakI ruchi palaT gayI, unakI vANIke nimittase. ve kyA kahate the, vah samajhanA chAhiye. hajAro.n, lAkho.n jIvo.nkI ruchi palaT gayI. sab kriyAme.n dharma mAnate the. (usake bajAy) a.ntarame.n karanA hai, yah sabako batA diyA. parantu visheSharUpase ve kyA kahate the, yah samajhanA chAhiye. unakI pariNati kaisI thI aur mArga kyA batAte the? vah samajhanA chAhiye.

samAdhAnaH- .. svaya.nko yathArtha vishvAs karanA chAhiye. vishvAs karanA chAhiye ki yahI mai.n hU.N, anya mai.n nahI.n hU.N. aise vishvAs Ave to ho. andar sha.nkAshIl ho to kuCh hotA nahI.n. yahI mai.n hU.N, aisA vishvAs honA chAhiye. yah mai.n chaitanya to chaitanya hI hU.N, yah mai.n nahI.n hU.N. yah j~nAn yA yah j~ney yA yah j~nAn yA sAmAnya, visheSh aise sha.nkAshIl hotA rahe to kuCh nakkI nahI.n hotA. svaya.nko andar yathArtha honA chAhiye ki yah j~nAyak svabhAv hai vahI mai.n hU.N, yah mai.n nahI.n hU.N. parantu vikalpAtmak nahI.n, a.ntarame.n svabhAv grahaN kare to ho. svabhAvako grahaN kiye binA nahI.n hotA hai.

mumukShuH- ... j~nAyaka. aur j~nAyak mAne ananta guNakA abhed piNDa.

samAdhAnaH- use ananta guN-ananta guN aise vikalpa nahI.n Ate hai.n. use shraddhAme.n aisA A jAtA hai ki mai.n ananta shaktise bharA dravya hU.N. ek-ek guN par bhinna-bhinna dR^iShTi nahI.n karatA ki yah j~nAn hai, yah darshan hai, yah chAritra hai. vichAr kare vah alag bAt hai, parantu use dR^iShTime.n to akhaNDa j~nAyak, j~nAyakakA pUrA astitva A jAtA hai. pUrA astitva a.ntarame.n-se grahaN honA chAhiye. aur vah kab grahaN ho? ki a.ntarame.n jab laganI lage ki mai.n merA svabhAv kaise grahaN karu.N? aisI a.ntar-se lage tab use svabhAv grahaN hotA hai. bAkI vichArase grahaN kare vah ek alag bAt hai. a.ntarame.n- se grahaN kare tab yathArtha hotA hai.

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bAhar ananta kAlase rukA, bAhya kriyAme.n rukA, shubhabhAvase dharma hotA hai aisA mAnA. parantu us shubhabhAvase puNya bandha huA, devalokame.n gayA, parantu svabhAv grahaN nahI.n kiyA. gurudevane svabhAv grahaN karanekA mArga batAyA. ki tU chaitanya hai use grahaN kara. bAkI sab vibhAv hai, terA svabhAv nahI.n hai. chaitanyako a.ntarame.n-se grahaN kar to hI yathArtha muktikA mArga hai. aur usame.n svabhAvako grahaN karane-se hI yathArtha muktikA mArga pragaT hotA hai. dharma usame.n hai, muktikA mArga usame.n hai. pahale A.nshik hotA hai, phir usakI sAdhak dashA baDhate-baDhate visheSh hotA hai.

mumukShuH- ChaThavI.n gAthA hai usame.n pratham pairegrAphame.n bhI j~nAyak AtA hai aur dUsare pairAgrAphame.n bhI j~nAyak AtA hai. to prathamame.n pramatta-apramattase rahit kahA aur dUsareme.n parako jAnane par j~nAyakapanA prasiddha hai, aise bAt lI. to usame.n...?

samAdhAnaH- sabame.n j~nAyak hI hai. pramatta-apramattame.n bhI tU j~nAyak rahA hai. aur parako jAnaneme.n bhI tU j~nAyak rahA hai. pararUp nahI.n huA hai. tU j~nAyak hai. pratyek avasthAme.n tU j~nAyak to j~nAyak hI hai. j~nAyak par dR^iShTi kara. tU j~nAyak hI hai, aisA kahate hai.n.

mumukShuH- j~nAyak mAne trikAlI dhruv dravya yA...?

samAdhAnaH- trikAl anAdiananta j~nAyak hai vaha. use grahaN kara. par Upar- se dR^iShTi uThAkar tU j~nAyakako grahaN kara. koI bhI sAdhak dashAkI paryAyame.n bhI tU j~nAyak hI hai. vibhAvakI paryAyame.n, sAdhakakI paryAyame.n, j~ney j~nAt ho us dashAme.n bhI tU j~nAyak hai.

j~nAyak kab j~nAt ho? use sAdhakakI paryAy pragaT ho tab j~nAyak j~nAt hotA hai. j~nAyak to anAdikA hai, parantu vah j~nAyak j~nAyakarUp-se vedaname.n kab Ave? ki usakI sAdhak dashAkI paryAy pragaT ho to. sva sanmukh usakI dR^iShTi jAy, sva sanmukh apaneko dekhe to j~nAyak j~nAyakarUp hai. sva prakAshanakI dashAme.n bhI j~nAyak, bAhar jAye to bhI j~nAyaka. j~nAyak to j~nAyak hI hai.

mumukShuH- ek bAr jisako sva prakAshan ho gayA, use phir par prakAshaname.n bhI j~nAyak prasiddha hai, aiese lenA?

samAdhAnaH- sarva prakArase. vahA.N to sAdhak dashAkI bAt hai. sarva prakArarase tU j~nAyak hI hai. sva prakAshaname.n j~nAyak aur bAhar jAy to j~nAyaka. j~nAyakatAko ChoDatA nahI.n. sAdhak dashAme.n bAhar jAy to bhI j~nAyak hai aur a.ntarame.n j~nAyak hai. j~nAyak to j~nAyak hai.

anAdiananta... to bhI j~nAyak hI hai. bAhar jAye to ekatvabuddhi huyI, parantu vah j~nAyak j~nAyakatA ChoDatA nahI.n. usake vedaname.n aisA AtA hai ki mai.n pararUp ho gayA. parantu j~nAyak to j~nAyak hI hai. j~nAyak apanA svabhAv ChoDatA nahI.n.

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mumukShuH- us j~nAyakako dR^iShTime.n lenA?

samAdhAnaH- us j~nAyakako dR^iShTime.n lenA.

mumukShuH- mAtAjI! arUpIko viShay banAneke liye kis mAdhyam-se.. AtmA hai, rUpI to hai nahI.n, arUpIko kis tarah viShay banAyA jAy?

samAdhAnaH- arUpI hai, lekin vastu to hai na. arUpI arthAt j~nAnasvabhAvI hai. arUpI arthAt use varNa, gandha, ras, sparsha nahI.n hai. j~nAnasvabhAv usakA svarUp hai. j~nAnasvabhAvI to hai. vah to asAdhAraN guN hai. to j~nAnasvabhAv to khyAlame.n AtA hai. vah lakShaN to khyAlame.n AtA hai. isaliye j~nAnasvabhAvase pahachAn lenA ki jo j~nAn lakShaN hai vah j~nAyak hai. j~nAnalakShaNase akhaNDa dravyako grahaN kar lenA. arUpI hai to bhI grahaN hotA hai.

vastu hai, arUpI kahI.n avastu to nahI.n hai. vastu hai. vibhAv dekhaneme.n nahI.n AtA hai, bhItarame.n jo vikalpa Ate hai.n vah dekhaname.n kahA.N Ate hai.n? vah to vedaname.n Ate hai.n. koI vikalpa Ave, anek prakArake vikalpa A.Nkh-se dekhaneme.n nahI.n Ate. vikalpa dekhaneme.n nahI.n Ate hai.n. vedaname.n Ate hai.n. to usI prakAr j~nAn bhI dekhaneme.n nahI.n AtA. j~nAn vedaname.n AtA hai ki j~nAnasvabhAvI mai.n hU.N. jAnanevAlA, jo jAnatA hai vah mai.n hU.N. yathArtha vedan nahI.n, parantu j~nAnakA svabhAv khyAlame.n A sakatA hai ki yah j~nAnasvabhAv hai. vikalpako jAnanevAlA mai.n hU.N, usako khyAlame.n lene-se, vikalpako jAnatA hai utanA mAtra usakA svabhAv nahI.n hai. mai.n ananta j~nAyak svabhAv, ananta jAnanevAlA svabhAv hai vah mai.n hU.N. akhaNDako grahaN karanA.

arUpI hai to bhI khyAlame.n AtA hai. vikalpa khyAlame.n AtA hai to j~nAnasvabhAv kyo.n khyAlame.n nahI.n Ave? jAnanevAlA bhI khyAlame.n AtA hai. vikalpako jo jAnatA hai, vikalpa sab chale jAte hai.n aur jAnanevAlA to rahatA hI hai. jo vikalpa chalA gayA, usakA j~nAn to rahatA hai. aisA-aisA, aisA-aisA vikalpa AyA, usakA jAnanevAlA rahatA hai. vah jAnanevAlA hai vah mai.n hU.N. akhaNDa jAnanevAlA-jAnanevAlA j~nAyakakA astitva hai vah mai.n hU.N.