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mumukShuH- ... satpuruShakI sab Aj~nA mAnanA chAhiye. to Aj~nA kitanI-kitanI prakArakI hotI hai? kyo.nki ve kahate hai.n ki koI prakArakI bhI apAtratA rah jAtI hai to mumukShu kalyANake yogya nahI.n hotA hai.

samAdhAnaH- kitane prakArakI Aj~nA kyA? satpuruShakI Aj~nA to apanI pAtratA dekhakar Aj~nA karate hai.n. Aj~nA kitane prakArakI hotI hai? .. j~nAnIkA Ashay grahaN karanA chAhiye. j~nAnI kahate hai.n, kyA kahate hai.n? Ashay grahaN karake apanI pariNati pragaT karanA chAhiye. anek jAtame.n kahA.N-kahA.N jIv ruk jAtA hai. svachChanda, matAgrah, apanI mAnI huyI kalpanAo.nme.n (aTak jAtA hai). satpuruShakA Ashaya3 kyA hai, vah Ashay grahaN karake vastukA svarUp samajhanA chAhiye. yathArtha samajhakarake kyA karanA chAhiye usakA Ashay grahaN karanA chAhiye. ve kyA kahate hai.n?

svaya.n nirNay kare use satpuruShake Ashayake sAth milAn karanA. j~nAnIkA kyA Ashay hai? mai.n kyA mAnatA hU.N? Ashay yathArthapane jo nirNay karatA hai, usake sAth milAn karatA hai. kyA kahate hai.n, yah samajhanA chAhiye. us prakAr apanI pariNati pragaT karanI chAhiye. ve kahate hai.n, us prakAr-se. ... grahaN karake apanI pariNati pragaT karanA chAhiye. puruShArtha karanA chAhiye. puruShArthakI mandatA hove to j~nAnI jo kahate hai.n us par pratIt karanI chAhiye. aur bhAvanA rakhanI chAhiye ki mai.n kaise Age jAU.N? aisA puruShArtha karanA chAhiye.

apane matamA.n kahI.n na kahI.n aTak jAtA hai. j~nAnIkA Ashay kyA hai? dev-shAstra- guru kyA kahate hai.n? use grahaN karake us anusAr apanI pariNatiko, apane puruShArthako us anusAr chAlU kare to yathArtha mArga use pragaT hotA hai. usakA Ashay grahaN karanA chAhiye. chAro.n taraph-se j~nAnI kyA kahate hai.n? unakA Ashay kyA hai? use grahaN karake apanI pariNati kar lenI chAhiye.

... vah j~nAnIkA Ashay grahaN kar letA hai. dev-guru-shAstra kyA kahate hai.n, vah grahaN kar sakatA hai. usakI pAtratA aisI hotI hai. yadi pAtratA nahI.n hove to apanI mati kalpanA-se ruk jAtA hai.

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mumukShuH- 47 shaktio.nkA smaraN karate hai.n. apane svabhAvakI mahimA lAneke liye kyA bAra.nbAr shaktiyo.nkA smaraN karanA chAhiye? usase svabhAvakI mahimA...

samAdhAnaH- ... smaraN karatA hai... mumukShuko kyA karanA? j~nAnI kyA kahate hai.n, usakA Ashay grahaN karanA chAhiye. ve aisA karate the, isaliye hame.n bhI aisA karanA chAhiye, aisA artha nahI.n hai. shaktiyo.nko grahaN karaneme.n to usakA lAbh hai, koI nukasAn nahI.n hai. 47 shaktikA smaraN karake usakA abhyAs kare to Atma svarUpakI mahimA AtI hai. aisA karaneme.n kuCh (dikkat nahI.n hai), kar sakatA hai. usame.n koI aisA nahI.n hotA.

gurudev aisA karate the, isaliye aisA karanA, aisA kuCh nahI.n hai. jisako jo ruche so karanA. koI j~nAyak-j~nAyak karatA hai, to bhedaj~nAn karanekA abhyAs karanA. usake sAth shAstrame.n kyA (kahA hai)? svaya.nko sha.nkA ho to niHsha.nk honeke liye koI tattva vichAr svaya.nko jo ruche so karanA. gurudev aisA karate the isaliye aisA karanA, usakA koI artha nahI.n hai. svaya.nko yadi usame.n mahimA AtI hai to vah karanA. usame.n to lAbh hai. apaneko lAbh lage to vah karanA. mujhe kisame.n ras AtA hai, us anusAr karanA.

mujhe kyA smaraN karanA? mujhe j~nAyakakA abhyAs karaneke liye kisakA smaraN karanA? chaitanyakI shaktiyA.N vichAranI. 47 shaktiyA.N vichAranI, j~nAyakakA vichAr karanA, usakA satya svarUp kyA? shAstra anek prakAr kyA Ate hai.n? svaya.nko jahA.N ruchi ho vah karanA.

gurudev to mahApuruSh thA. unakI pariNatime.n jo unhe.n lagatA thA vah karate the, isaliye dUsaro.nko aise hI karanA, aisA usakA artha nahI.n hai. unakA shrutaj~nAn to apUrva thA. unhe.n to shrutakI dhArA apUrva thI. anek jAtakI unhe.n shrutakI labdhiyA.N pragaT huyI thI. unhe.n usame.n ras AtA thA to aisA karate the. isaliye sabako aisA karanA aisA usakA artha nahI.n hai. ve to aisA vichAr karate the, bAkI to anek jAtakA chi.ntavan unhe.n chalatA thA. vah ek hI chi.ntavan thA, aisA nahI.n hai. unhe.n to anek jAtakA (chi.ntavan chalatA thA). unho.nne to shAstro.nke shAstra khol diye. shAstro.nkA rahasya khol diyA. unhe.n to andar shAstro.nkA samudra khulA thA.

usame.n-se ve bAra.nbAr usakA smaraN karate the. unhe.n usame.n ras AtA thA. unhe.n andar shAstrame.n-se Ananda AtA thA. ek 47 shaktiyAe.Nke liye nahI.n, kitanI gAthAo.nkA unhe.n Ananda AtA thA.

mumukShuH- bahut gAthAme.n kahate the, yah gAthA to apUrva hai, yah gAthA to apUrva hai.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, unhe.n to bahut gAthAo.nkA Ananda AtA thA.

mumukShuH- bahut apekShAe.N AtI hai.n, ... buddhi to thoDI hai, apekShAe.N bahut hai.n,

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usake liye kyA upAy hai?

samAdhAnaH- apekShAe.N bahut hai.n. mUl dravyadR^iShTikA prayojan, muktikA mArga jisase sadhe vah grahaN karanA. dravya-paryAyakA, nishchay-vyavahArakA sambandha kaise hai, vah vichAranA. mai.n shAshvat anAdiananta dravya hU.N, usame.n paryAyakI sAdhanA kaise hove? paryAy adhUrI hai, dravya pUrNa hai, usakA mel kaise hove? yah sab sandha karake, shAstrame.n bahut apekShAe.N AtI hai, un sab apekShAo.nkA sambandha karake AtmAme.n jaise lAbh ho, vaisA karanA. dravyAnuyogame.n bahut AtA hai. usako yathArtha samajh lenA chAhiye.

anAdi-se bhram ho rahA hai, ekatvabuddhi-paryAyame.n dR^iShTi hai. dravya anAdiananta shAshvat shuddha hai, usame.n paryAyakI ashuddhatA kaise hai? usakI sAdhanA kaise hove? sAdhya pUrNakA lakShya karake aur paryAyakI sAdhanA-shuddhAtmAme.n shuddha paryAy pragaT hotI hai. samyagdarshan hove to turanta kevalaj~nAn nahI.n hotA hai. bIchame.n sAdhakadashA rahatI hai. to dravyadR^iShTi pragaT karake svAnubhUti aur samyagdarshan pragaT hove to bhI lInatA bAkI rahatI hai. kevalaj~nAn (hone tak). sAdhak aur sAdhyakA kaise mel hai? yah sab samajhakar sab apekShA samajhanI chAhiye. dravya-guN-paryAyakI sab apekShA samajhakar, mukhya mukti mArga kaise hai vah grahaN karanA chAhiye.

dravyadR^iShTike prayojanake sAth nishchay-vyavahArakA sambandha kaise hai, yah samajhakar sab samajhanA chAhiye. dravyadR^iShTi mukhya rakhakar usame.n paryAy bhI ashuddha hai, kaise svAnubhUti hove? usakI pUrNatA hove, usakI lInatA hove, yah kevalaj~nAn tak aisA sab mel karake sab samajhanA chAhiye.

mumukShuH- paryAy gauN karake bhinna kahI jAtI hai yA vAstavame.n vah bhinna hokarake dR^iShTike viShayako viShay banAtI hai?

samAdhAnaH- vAstavik bhinna nahI.n hai. dravyadR^iShTi mukhya hotI hai to usame.n paryAy gauN ho jAtI hai. vah (-paryAy) a.nsh hai, vah (-dravya) a.nshI hai. akhaNDa dravya par dR^iShTi jAne-se paryAyakA lakShya gauN ho jAtA hai. dravya aur paryAy bilakUl bhinna hove to paryAy dravya ho jAtI hai. paryAy aise nahI.n hotI hai ki dravyakA koI Ashray nahI.n hai paryAyako aur paryAy nirAdhAr hai, aisA to nahI.n hai.

paryAy ek a.nsh hai isaliye svata.ntra hai. parantu vah a.nsh a.nshIkA a.nsh hai. isaliye usako gauN rakhakarake samajhanA chAhiye.

mumukShuH- gauN rakhe? samAdhanaH- gauN rakhe. dR^iShTike jorame.n dravya mukhya hai to paryAy gauN hai. paryAy aur dravya vaise svata.ntra nahI.n hai. vah a.nsharUp-se svata.ntra hai. paryAyako dravyakA Ashray

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rahatA hai. kaise svata.ntra hai, yah apekShA samajhanI chAhie.

mumukShuH- ... pharamAyA ki samyagdarshanake viShayame.n samyagdarshanakI paryAy nahI.n hai.

samAdhAnaH- samyagdarshan paryAy viShayame.n nahI.n hai?

mumukShuH- hA.N, viShayame.n.

samAdhAnaH- samyagdarshanakA viShay nahI.n hai, parantu usame.n gauN rah jAtI hai. viShay to dravya hai. viShay dravya hai. paryAyako viShay nahI.n karatI, dR^iShTi viShay nahI.n karatI hai. j~nAname.n gauNapane rah jAtA hai.

mumukShuH- j~nAname.n rahatA hai, gauNapane.

samAdhAnaH- j~nAname.n rahatA hai. dR^iShTi aur j~nAn dono.n sAthame.n rahate hai.n. dR^iShTi alag aur j~nAn alag (aisA nahI.n). dR^iShTi samyak huyI usake sAth j~nAn bhI rahatA hai. dR^iShTi aur j~nAn sAthame.n rahate hai.n, j~nAname.n vah paryAy gauN rahatI hai. dR^iShTikA viShay dravya hai to bhI dR^iShTi aur j~nAn dono.n bhinna-bhinna nahI.n hai. dR^iShTike sAth jo j~nAn rahatA hai to j~nAname.n vah paryAy khyAlame.n rahatI hai. viShay bhale dravya hove, to bhI paryAy rahatI hai. paryAyakA j~nAn usake sAth rahatA hai. j~nAn, dravya aur paryAy dono.nko jAnatA hai. j~nAname.n dravya aur paryAy dono.n sAthame.n rahate hai.n.

samAdhAnaH- ... sab karane lAyak sarvasva ho to AtmAme.n sab kuCh hai. bAharame.n kuCh hai nahI.n. bAharame.n to ekatvabuddhi, abhyAs bAharakA hai isaliye bhItarame.n jAtA nahI.n hai. to puruShArtha apane karanA paDatA hai. puruShArtha kare, puruShArtha karane-se hotA hai. apanA pramAd hai, kisIkA doSh nahI.n hai. gurudevane to bahut batAyA hai, karanA to apaneko paDatA hai.

mai.n j~nAyak hU.N, bAkI sab vibhAv hai. vibhAvame.n sukh nahI.n hai, sukh AtmAme.n hai. ye sab AkulatArUp hai-duHkharUp hai. aisI pratIt, dR^iDhatApUrvak pratIt karanI chAhiye. pratIt kare aur puruShArtha kare to hotA hai. bAra.nbAr-bAra.nbAr usakA abhyAs karanA paDatA hai. ek daphe kare aisA nahI.n, bAra.nbAr (kare).

gurudevane jo batAyA hai, jo shAstrame.n AyA hai. puruShArtha to koI rokatA nahI.n hai. karma rokate nahI.n hai, koI padArtha rokate nahI.n, apane kAraN-se ruk jAtA hai. bAharame.n ruchi hai. svarUpame.n ruchi karanI chAhiye.

mumukShuH- kuCh log kahate hai.n ki kramabaddhaparyAyake bahAne, jo honA hai vahI hogA. puruShArtha to ham bahut karate hai.n, lekin nahI.n hotA hai to kramabaddhaparyAyame.n nahI.n hai. hone yogya nahI.n hai to kaise hogA? usakA kyA kiyA jAy? usakA samAdhAn kyA hai?

samAdhAnaH- kramabaddha aise kramabaddha nahI.n hotA hai. kramabaddha to, puruShArthake sAth

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kramabaddha hotA hai. gurudev kahate hai.n ki j~nAyak taraph dR^iShTi karo. j~nAyakako jisane samajhA, usane kramabaddhako samajhA. jo j~nAyak nahI.n samajhatA hai, usako kramabaddha bhI samajhame.n nahI.n AyA hai. kramabaddhake sAth puruShArthakA sambandha hai. puruShArtha binA kramabaddha nahI.n hai. jisake lakShyame.n puruShArtha nahI.n hai, usakA kramabaddha yathArtha nahI.n hotA. vah to sa.nsArakA kramabaddha hai.

jise puruShArthakI dR^iShTi hotI hai, usakA kramabaddha mokShake taraph jAtA hai. puruShArthake sAth kramabaddhako sambandha hai. aise kAl, svabhAv Adi, pA.Nch labdhiyA.N sAthame.n hotI hai tab apanA kArya hotA hai. kramabaddha akelA samajhane-se nahI.n hotA, puruShArtha pUrvak kramabaddha samajhanA.

mumukShuH- mAtAjI! jab paryAyame.n alpaj~natA hai to sarvaj~na svabhAvakA vishvAs kaise AyegA?

samAdhAnaH- paryAyame.n alpaj~natA bhale hove. apanA svabhAv sarvaj~na hai. paryAy alpaj~na hove to bhI vishvAs ho sakatA hai. sarvaj~nakI pariNati pragaT karaneme.n to der lagatI hai. sarvaj~nakI pratIt to ho sakatI hai. pratIt honeme.n alpaj~na paryAy usame.n rokatI nahI.n hai. sarvaj~nakI pratIt to ho sakatI hai ki mai.n sarvaj~na hU.N. aisI pratIti ho sakatI hai. mai.n j~nAyak, sa.npUrNa j~nAyak hU.N. mai.n sarvaj~na shakti-se sarvaj~na hU.N. pragaT nahI.n huA, parantu aisI pratIt ho sakatI hai.

mumukShuH- svAnubhUtike liye hamako indriyaj~nAn bAdhak lagatA hai. indriy j~nAn .. to anubhUti hogI.

samAdhAnaH- apane karane-se hotA hai, indriyakA j~nAn rokatA nahI.n hai. atIndriy j~nAn pragaT karaneme.n apanI ruchi badal denI. svarUp taraph ruchi kare, usame.n lInatA kare, pratIt kare. jisakA svabhAv mai.n j~nAyak hU.N, j~nAnamAtra svabhAv hai utanA mai.n hU.N. usame.n vishvAs karake usame.n sthir ho jAy, lInatA kare to atIndriy j~nAn pragaT hotA hai. indriy j~nAn usame.n rokanevAlA nahI.n hai. bhItarame.n-se pragaT karanA apane hAthakI bAt hai. koI indriyaj~nAn usame.n rokatA nahI.n hai. indriyaj~nAn hove isaliye atIndriy nahI.n hotA hai, aisA nahI.n hai.

bhItarame.n-se pragaT karanA svaya.nsiddha apanA svabhAv hai. apaneAp, apAriNAmik dravya apaneAp pragaT kar sakatA hai. dev-guru-shAstra usakA nimitta hotA hai. upAdAn apanA hai. jo jinendra devane batAyA, jo gurudevane batAyA, jo shAstrame.n hotA hai, sab apane karanA paDatA hai. atIndriy j~nAn pragaT kare, usame.n svAnubhUti pragaT karanA apane hAthakI bAt hai. koI kar nahI.n detA hai. usame.n koI rokatA nahI.n hai. indriy j~nAn usame.n rukAvaT nahI.n karatA hai.

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mumukShuH- gurudev kahate the ki j~nAn parako jAnatA hI nahI.n hai. to ham kare.n kyA?

samAdhAnaH- gurudev aisA nahI.n kahate the, parako nahI.n jAnatA hai aisA nahI.n kahate the. gurudev kahate the, svaparaprakAshak j~nAn hai. shAstrame.n aisA AtA hai. svaparaprakAshak j~nAnakA svabhAv hai. par taraph terI ekatvabuddhi hai. parame.n upayog lagatA hai to parako mai.n jAnatA hU.N, svako bhUl gayA hai. svakA j~nAn pragaT kara. parako tU jAnatA nahI.n hai aisA nahI.n hai. svaparaprakAshak j~nAnakA svabhAv hai. jAnanekA haTAnA nahI.n hai, apanI ruchi badalanI hai. upayog palaT de. upayog sva taraph kar le. mai.n j~nAyak svabhAv hU.N. usame.n jo sahaj svabhAv svaparaprakAshak hai, kevalaj~nAname.n svaparaprakAshak svabhAv pragaT hotA hai.

upayog bAhar j~neyame.n lag jAtA hai, j~ney upayukta (hotA hai), j~neyame.n ekamek ho jAtA hai. j~neyame.n ekamek nahI.n honA. bhedaj~nAn karake apane svarUpame.n lIn honA. to apanA svaparaprakAshak j~nAn pragaT hotA hai.

mumukShuH- pUjya mAtAjI! AbAlagopAl sabhIko bhagavAn AtmA jAnaneme.n A rahA hai. thoDA-sA spaShTi kijIye.

samAdhAnaH- AbAlagopAlako jAnaneme.n A rahA hai usakA artha aisA nahI.n hai ki jAnaneme.n A rahA hai isaliye usakI anubhUti ho rahI hai, usakI svAnubhUti ho rahI hai (aisA nahI.n hai). anubhUti aisI ho rahI hai ki svaya.nsiddha AtmA hai. usakA asAdhAraN j~nAnasvabhAv hai. vah j~nAnasvabhAv apane svabhAvarUpase pariNamatA hai, vibhAvarUp nahI.n huA hai. dravyadR^iShTi-se svabhAvarUp pariNamatA hai. AbAlagopAl sab j~nAname.n jAn sakate hai.n. usakA artha aisA nahI.n hai ki usakI anubhUti arthAt samyakaj~nAn ho gayA, aisA usakA artha nahI.n hai.

j~nAnasvabhAv sabako lakShyame.n A sakatA hai. asAdhAraN j~nAnasvabhAv hai. sab jAn sakate haiai.n ki mai.n j~nAnasvabhAv AtmA hU.N. ye jaD kuCh jAnate nahI.n. mai.n jAnanevAlA hU.N, aisI pratIt sab AbAlagopAl kar sakate hai.n. mai.n jAnanevAlA hU.N, ye jaD nahI.n jAnatA hai, mai.n jAnanevAlA hU.N. apane svabhAvarUp j~nAnasvabhAv anAdiananta hai. vah j~nAn jaD nahI.n huA. vah j~nAnasvabhAv AbAlagopAl sab jAn sakate hai.n. j~nAnakI anubhUti hotI hai. yathArtha svabhAvame.n lIn hokar svAnubhUti ho rahI hai, aisA artha nahI.n hai. anubhUti arthAt j~nAn sabako hai. aisA asAdhAraN j~nAnasvabhAv sabako jAnaneme.n AtA hai. usakA artha aisA hai. jaD nahI.n hai. j~nAnasvabhAv sabako anubhavame.n A rahA hai, aisA j~nAnasvabhAv anubhavame.n A rahA hai. samyakarUp-se (A rahA hai), aisA nahI.n. usakA lakShaN, jo lakShaN hai vah AbAlagopAl sab jAn sakate hai.n. aisA usakA j~nAnasvabhAv hai.