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mumukShuH- pUjya mAtAjI! shuddha dravyakA chi.ntavan kis prakAr-se karanA chAhiye? thoDA-sA (spaShTa kIjiye).

samAdhAnaH- shuddha dravyakA chi.ntavan to mai.n shuddha svabhAv anAdiananta (hU.N). ananta kAl gayA, janma-maraN hue, asa.nkhyAt prakArake vibhAv hue aur janma-maraN to ananta hue. usake pariNAm bhI anek prakArake hue. to bhI vah dravya palaTakarake ashuddha nahI.n huA. dravyakA svabhAv shaktirUp-se vaisA hI hai. aisA mai.n anAdiananta shuddhAtmA hU.N. ananta kAl gayA to bhI nAsh nahI.n huA. nAsh honevAlA nahI.n hai. vah svAnubhavame.n A sakatA hai. aisA mai.n svabhAv anAdiananta svaya.nsiddha AtmA hU.N. usakA astitva grahaN karanA. mai.n j~nAyak svabhAv hU.N. ye vibhAv hai vah AkulatArUp hai. mai.n nirAkul AtmA j~nAyak hU.N. aisA j~nAyak svabhAv mai.n shuddhAtmA hU.N. aisA vichAr karanA.

bhItarame.n-se jab usakA astitva yathArtha grahaN kare to yathArtha grahaName.n AtA hai. bAkI vichAr karatA hai, abhyAs karatA hai. yathArtha grahaN to bhItarame.n jAkar usakA svabhAv grahaN kare, usakA astitva grahaN kare to yathArtha grahaN hotA hai. bAkI vichAr kare, pratIt kare, abhyAs kare. mai.n anAdiananta shuddhAtmA j~nAyak hU.N aur vibhAv shubhabhAv hotA hai vah puNyabandhakA (kAraN), vah bhI vibhAv hai. U.NchA shubhabhAv Ave, j~nAn- darshan-chAritrakA bhed Ave to bhI shubhabhAv rAgamishrit hai. mai.n shuddhAtmA hU.N. guNakA bhed hove to bhI vah jAn letA hai ki svabhAvame.n j~nAn, darshan, chAritra sab hai. to bhI usakA jo vikalpa AtA hai, vah vikalpa merA svarUp nahI.n hai. lakShaNabhed hai. vAstavikame.n anAdiananta akhaNDa chaitanya hU.N, aise shuddhAtmAko grahaN karanA.

mumukShuH- mAtAjI! svAnubhav kAlame.n kyA dravya-paryAy dono.n ekasAth anubhavame.n Ate hai.n?

samAdhAnaH- dravya-paryAy dono.n (anubhavame.n Ate hai.n). vAstavame.n paryAyakI anubhUti hotI hai aur dravya par dR^iShTi to rahatI hai, nira.ntar dR^iShTi rahatI hai. anubhUti paryAyakI hotI hai, parantu dravya aur paryAy dono.n j~nAname.n A jAte hai.n. j~nAname.n dravya-paryAy dono.n A jAte hai.n. dravya aur paryAy, dono.nkI anubhUti. is apekShA-se dravya-paryAy dono.nkI

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anubhUti hotI hai. pragaT paryAy huyI isaliye paryAyakA anubhav huA. aisA kahate hai.n. parantu dravya-paryAy dono.nkA j~nAn hotA hai.

mumukShuH- mAteshvarI! ye sab vikalpa, mai.n j~nAyak hU.N, j~nAyak hU.N karate-karate nirvikalpatAkA Ananda nahI.n A rahA hai.

samAdhAnaH- vikalpa.. vikalpa... vikalpa-se nirvikalpa nahI.n hotA hai. usakA abhyAs rahatA hai ki mai.n j~nAyak hU.N, j~nAyak hU.N. vikalpa to vikalpa hI hai. vah shubh vikalpa hai. parantu abhyAs to pahale aise hI hotA hai. vikalpa, rAgamishrit bhAv sAthame.n rahatA hai ki mai.n j~nAyak hU.N, j~nAyak hU.N. vikalpa-se nirvikalpa nahI.n hotA. mai.n j~nAyak hU.N, aisI pariNati pragaT hove aur vikalpa TUT jAya.

mai.n j~nAyak hI j~nAyak hU.N. svaya.nsiddha anAdiananta j~nAyak hU.N. j~nAyak svabhAvI shuddhAtmA j~nAyak hU.N. aisI pratIt dR^iDh karake usakI lInatA hove, is tarahakI pariNati pragaT hove to nirvikalpa hotA hai, to vikalpa TUT jAtA hai. bAkI vikalpa bIchame.n AtA hai, parantu vikalpa-se vah nirvikalpa nahI.n hotA hai. bhItarakI lInatA, usakI ekAgratA, usakI pratItikI dR^iDhatA hove, lInatAkI dR^iDhatA hove to nirvikalpa hotA hai. vikalpa-se nirvikalpa nahI.n hotA hai.

mumukShuH- AchArya kahate hai.n ki yuktike avalamban-se andarame.n jAnA. to kaun- sI prabal yukti hai jisase andar jAy?

samAdhAnaH- yuktike avalamban-se. dR^iDh yukti-se aisA nirNay karanA chAhiye ki mai.n shuddhAtmA hI hU.N aur kuCh mai.n nahI.n hU.N. yukti-se, Agam-se aise sabase yathArtha nirNay karanA, bAdame.n svAnubhUti hotI hai. jo Agam batAtA hai, jo yukti-se (nakkI kiyA) ki svabhAv hai usakA nAsh nahI.n hotA hai. svabhAv to anAdiananta jo svaya.nsiddha vastu hai, usakA nAsh nahI.n hotA hai. aisI anek tarahakI yukti-se nirNay karanA chAhiye.

mai.n j~nAnasvabhAv hU.N. j~nAn to j~nAn hI rahatA hai. jo pAnI shItal hai, vah shItal hI rahatA hai. agnikI uShNatAkA svabhAv hai, uShNa hI rahatA hai. ye to dR^iShTAnta hai, sthUl dR^iShTAnta hai. anAdiananta paramANu paramANu rahatA hai, AtmA AtmA hI rahatA hai. vastukA nAsh nahI.n hotA. aisI anek tarahakI yukti-se mai.n chaitanya svabhAv AtmA, shuddhAtmA hU.N. usame.n ashuddhatA nahI.n hotI hai. ashuddhatA paryAyame.n hotI hai. ek dravyame.n dUsarA dravya pravesh nahI.n karatA. anek tarahakI yuktike bal-se aur jo AchArya bhagava.nt kahate hai.n, gurudev kahate hai.n, un sabakA milAn karake yuktike avalamban-se dR^iDh pratIti karake Age jAye ki mai.n j~nAyak hU.N, yathArtha mai.n j~nAyak hU.N. svaya.nsiddha shuddhAtmA hU.N. aisI bAra.nbAr pratIti dR^iDh karake lInatAkI dR^iDhatA karanA. bAra.nbAr usakA abhyAs karanA. yukti anek

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tarahakI, yathArtha yukti aisI dR^iDh hotI hai ki jo TUTatI nahI.n. aisI samyak yukti-se nirNay karanA chAhiye.

mumukShuH- mAtAjI! vachanAmR^itame.n AtA hai, khaNDa khaNDa upayog paravashatA hai. rAgako paravashatA samajhanA hai ki j~nAnako? khaNDa khaNDa upayog paravashatA hai to vahA.N rAgako samajhanA ki j~nAnako?

samAdhAnaH- rAg paravash hai. rAgake sAth adhUrA j~nAn hai, adhUrA j~nAna. isaliye adhUre j~nAnako upachAr-se paravash kahaneme.n AtA hai. rAgamishrit kShayopasham j~nAn bhI paravash hai. adhUrA j~nAn bhI paravash hai. kram-kram pravartatA hai, khaNDa khaNDa pravartatA hai. pUrNa kevalaj~nAn hai vah ek sAth pravartatA hai. rAg paravashatA hai, lekin kShayopasham j~nAnako bhI paravash ginaneme.n AtA hai. usako bhI upachAr-se paravash kahaneme.n AtA hai.

mumukShuH- .. vachan hameshA anubhavapUrNa hote hai.n, aise ham Ap charaNo.nkI sevAme.n hameshA bane rahe.nge, yahI bhAvanA bhAte hai.n. ... batAyA, usame.n aur Apake batalAneme.n kuCh bhI a.ntar nahI.n hai.

samAdhAnaH- bahut spaShTa kiyA hai, pUre hindustAnako jagA diyA. koI jAnatA nahI.n thA, mArga batAyA sabako. sab kriyAme.n paDe the. sab bAharame.n paDe the, dR^iShTi bAhar thI. koI thoDA svAdhyAy kar le, koI thoDI kriyA kar le, thoDA upavAs kar le (usame.n) dharma mAn lete the. gurudevane ...

mumukShuH- ... samavasaraNake sAth jA rahe hai.n. samavasaraName.n jA rahe hai.n. to ve bole, kyA tIrtha.nkarake pAs? tIrtha.nkar bhI virAjamAn hai.n, dono.n virAjamAn hai.n. paramAgam mandir hamako gurudevakI yAd dilAtA hai aur vachanAmR^it bhavan ban rahA hai, vah mAtAjIkI yAd dilAtA hai.

samAdhAnaH- 45 varSha gurudev yahA.N virAjamAn rahe. baraso.n tak nira.ntar vANI barasAyI. vANI barasAnevAle koI mahAbhAgya-se nira.ntar vANI barasAnevAle. aise adhyAtmake nira.ntar...

mumukShuH- gurudev to kahate the ki meru sam puNyakA uday ho tab j~nAnIke vachan sunaneko milate hai.n. ham logo.nkA mahAbhAgya, bahinashrI! ApakI ChatraChAyA ham logo.nke Upar hai.

mumukShuH- pUjya mAtAjI! gurudevane Tepame.n pharamAyA thA ki pramAN pUjya nahI.n hai, nay pUjya hai. thoDA-sA spaShTIkaraNa.

samAdhAnaH- gurudev aisA kahate the ki nay pUjya hai. muktike mArgame.n nay mukhya hotA hai. shuddhanay shuddhAtmAko grahaN karo, dravyadR^iShTi karo, isaliye nay pUjya hai. is apekShA-se. pramAN pUjya hai vah nayakI apekShA-se nahI.n, aisA kahate the. parantu pramAN

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aise sAthame.n rahatA hai. jisako nay pragaT hotI hai usake sAthame.n pramAN hotA hai. pramANaj~nAn sAthame.n rahatA hai. dravya-paryAy dono.nkA pramAN-se milAn hotA hai. isaliye jo kevalaj~nAn pragaT hotA hai, jo munidashA pragaT hotI hai, sAdhak dashA-sAdhanA vah sab paryAyame.n hotI hai. is apekShA-se nay aur pramAN dono.n pUjya hai.n. gurudev koI jagah kahate the, nayako mukhya karate the.

yadi pramAN pUjya nahI.n hove to munidashA bhI pUjya nahI.n hove, to kevalaj~nAn bhI pUjya nahI.n hove. paryAy pragaT hotI hai to nay aur pramAN dono.n (sAthame.n rahate hai.n). sAdhak dashAme.n dravyadR^iShTi mukhya karake sAdhanAkI paryAy jo pragaT hotI hai, chauthI bhUmikA, pA.NchavI, ChaThThI-sAtavI.n bhUmikA sab bhUmikA hotI hai. usame.n sab paryAy pragaT hotI hai. isaliye dono.n sAthame.n (hote hai.n).

parantu nayakI apekShA-se anAdi kAl-se jIvane shuddhanayakA pakSha kiyA nahI.n. shuddhanayake binA mukti pragaT hotI nahI.n. isaliye nay pUjya hai, pramAN pUjya nahI.n hai. vah to paryAyako gauN karaneke liye kahA hai. parantu sAdhak dashAme.n paryAy to AtI hai. isaliye muniko pUjya kahate hai.n, kevalaj~nAn (pUjya hai). dono.n apekShA samajhanI chAhiye.

gurudevakI bAtame.n do apekShA AtI thI. dUsarI jagah pramAN aur nayakA sabakA sambandha AtA thA. gurudev bhaktikA adhikAr, dAnakA adhikAr sab paDhate the to usame.n nishchay-vyavahArakA milAn karate the. dono.n samajhanA chAhiye.

nay mukhya hai. anAdi kAl-se jIvane use grahaN nahI.n kiyA. muktike mArgame.n shuddhAtmAkI dR^iShTi mukhya rahatI hai. parantu paryAyakI shuddhatA hotI hai. isaliye nay aur pramAN sAthame.n rahate hai.n. pramAN pUjya nahI.n hai. parantu nay-pramAN dono.n pUjya hai.n, koI apekShA-se. to munidashA pUjya nahI.n hotI, to kevalaj~nAn pUjya nahI.n hotA. yadi pramAN pUjya nahI.n hotA to, paryAy pUjya nahI.n hotI to.

mumukShuH- Aj Tepame.n AyA thA, mAtAjI! ki dhruvake ShaTakArak alag hai, paryAyake ShaTakArak alag hai.n. to hame.n gabharAhaT hotI hai.

samAdhAnaH- nahI.n, alag aise nahI.n hai. dhruvake ShaTakArak alag, vah dUsarI apekShA hai. dono.n dravya alag-alag hai.n. dhruvakA ShaTakArak aur dUsare dravyakA alag hai. aur paryAyake ShaTakArakakI apekShA dUsarI hai.

jitanA dravya svata.ntra hai, utanI paryAy svata.ntra nahI.n hai. paryAy dravyake Ashrayame.n hotI hai. paryAy yadi itanI svata.ntra hove to dravya aur paryAy dono.n dravya ho jAya. yadi itanI paryAy svata.ntra ho to paryAy hI dravya ho jAy, dono.n dravya ho jAya. isaliye paryAy dravyake Ashray-se hotI hai. parantu paryAy ek a.nsh hai. vah svata.ntra hai. yah batalAneke

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liye usake ShaTakArak bhinna batAye. parantu itanI apekShA samajhanI chAhiye ki dravyake Ashray- se paryAy rahatI hai. dravyake Ashrayame.n paryAy rahatI hai. isaliye dravya jitanA svata.ntra hai, utanI paryAy svata.ntra nahI.n hai. aisA samajhanA chAhiye. gurudevakI apekShA anek prakArakI (AtI thI).

mumukShuH- ... pUrA sAr A gayA. bhaviShyakA chitraN batAnA tere hAthakI bAt hai. usako hI sa.nbhAlakar rahe. paradravyakI sa.NbhAl karate-karate ananta kAl bIt gayA. lekin Atmadravya bhItar virAjamAn hai, usakI sa.NbhAl ek samayamAtra nahI.n karI. ye mArga milA kahA.N-se? ye rag-ragame.n bharA huA hai. rom-romame.n. kyA vachanAmR^it hai! anamol- anamol vachan hai.n, jisakI kImat nahI.n A.nkI jA sakatI. agar usako pAn kar le, .. chi.ntan kar le, vahI sachchA bhakta hai, nahI.n to kyA hai? sab sevA karI, lekin Apake vachano.nko pAlan karake ek taraph baiThakarake a.ntar manan kar le, terA kalyAN ho jAyagA. vahI sachchA bhakta hai. gurudev kahe.nge ki mere mArgame.n AyA, merA sachchA bhakta hai. ek bAtako dhAraN karake ... ek-ek bol... ek AyA na? vikalpa hamArA pIChA nahI.n ChoDate. to vikalpa tereko nahI.n lagA, vikalpako tU lagA hai. tU vikalpako ChoD de na. itanI-sI bAta. itane.nme.n sArA sAr samA gayA. ... Chedan ho gayA. vikalpakA j~nAyak hU.N, vikalpa merA svarUp nahI.n hai. dhanya ho!

mumukShuH- hamAre kahate hai.n ki jahA.N na pahu.Nche ravi, vahA.N pahu.Nche kavi. mumukShuH- mere rom-romame.n samAyA huA hai, vachanAmR^itakA ek-ek bola. dhanya hai! agar ek bAr usane paDh liyA Atma chi.ntan-se ek bAr manan kar liyA, usakA kalyAN nahI.n hove ye bAt ban sakatI nahI.n. .. mai.n kahatA hU.N ... vachanAmR^it pUrA- shurU-se Akhir taka. abhiprAy terA kahA.N paDA huA hai? ruchiko palaT de. tereko kahI.n na lage to jA.

mumukShuH- kahI.n na ruche to andar jA. mumukShuH- vishvakA adabhut tattva tU.n hI hai. kaun kahanevAlA hai? adabhut tattvako pahachAnakarake, jisako jAnakarake jinho.nne batA diyA ki vishvakA adabhut tattva tU hI hai. sArA sAr, jo dekho vah usame.n bharA hai. nikAlanevAlA honA chAhiye, khojanevAlA honA chAhiye. aur apan nahI.n khoje.nge to kyA phAyadA? Apake batAye hue mArga par chalakar, ek satpuruShako khoj le aur usake charaNakamalame.n sarva arpaN kar de. to terA kalyAN ho jAyagA. dhanya hamArA bhAgya! aise shabda kahA.N milate the? kaun jAnatA thA? Aj hamArA bhAgya khil gayA. AhAhA..!

jan-janame.n yah bAt, AtmA-AtmA kaun jAnatA thA? Aj to saral mArga batA

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diyA. halavA rakh diyA sAmane parosakar, uThAkar khA le. par UtAranA paDegA. nahI.n khAye to ... ab to UtAra.

samAdhAnaH- ... tIrtha.nkar bhagavAn Chadmastha avasthAme.n hote hai.n.

mumukShuH- sarvotkR^iShTa tIrtha.nkar hI hote hai.n.

mumukShuH- pahale aisA likhA hai ki shrAvak, samyagdR^iShTi, munivar aur bAdame.n likhA hai ki Chadmastha tIrtha.nkara.

samAdhAnaH- Chadmastha kahaneme.n AtA hai. jabatak kevalaj~nAn nahI.n hotA tabatak kahaneme.n AtA hai. bhagavAnako kahaneme.n AtA hai. abhI adhUrA j~nAn hotA hai tabatak Chadmastha kahaneme.n AtA hai. ariha.nt-ariha.nt sab ariha.nt kahalAte hai.n, parantu tIrtha.nkar bhagavAn visheSh puNyashAlI hote hai.n. isaliye puNyava.nt ariha.nt kahaneme.n AtA hai. unakA prabhAvanA uday, unakA puNya visheSh hotA hai tIrtha.nkar bhagavAnakA. dUsare ariha.nt bhagavAnake puNya hotA hai. usame.n tIrtha.nkar bhagavAn sAtishay puNyashAlI visheSh hote hai.n. isaliye puNyashAlI ariha.nt kahaneme.n AtA hai.

mumukShuH- ... pAtratA. yah visheSh isame.n liyA hai-nirbhrAnta darshanakI pagadaNDI para. usame.n aisA likhA hai. garbhit pAtratA hai, vah j~nAnI hI jAn sakate hai.n. to hame.n kaise mAlUm paDe?

samAdhAnaH- garbhit pAtratA-andar avyakta pAtratA ho. vah svaya.n na jAn sake to svaya.nko apanI pAtratA pragaT karanI. andarame.n svaya.n apaneko jAn sakatA hai ki merI pAtratA kis prakArakI hai. andar avyakta pAtratA ho vah svaya.nko pakaDame na Aye to svaya.n a.ntarakI jij~nAsA, lagan taiyAr karake svaya.n puruShArtha karake pAtratA pragaT karanI. andar avyakta ho vah sabako pakaDame.n A jAy, aisA nahI.n hotA.

mumukShuH- pragaT ho jAy usake bAd to jAnanA kahA.N rahA? vah to j~nAt ho gayA.

samAdhAnaH- itanI jij~nAsA ho ki merI pAtratA kis jAtakI hai. mujhe kyo.n mAlUm nahI.n paDatI. to pAtratA andar-se pragaT karanI.

mumukShuH- tabatak huyI nahI.n hai.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, tabatak nahI.n huyI hai. svaya.n pragaT karanI. utanI a.ntarame.n svaya.nko bhAvanA hotI ho to.

mumukShuH- koI-koI j~nAnio.nko, garbhit pAtratAkA khyAl koI-koI j~nAniyo.nko A jAtA hai. garbhit pAtratAkA khyAl koI-koI j~nAniyo.nko A jAtA hai.

samAdhAnaH- A jAy, usakI amuk jAtakI lAyakAt dekhakar khyAlame.n A jAtA

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hai ki is jIvakI kis prakArakI lAyakAt hai. vah jAn sakate hai.n. svaya.n jAn na sake to koI j~nAnI use jAn sakate hai.n. sabakI jAn sake aisA nahI.n, koI-koIkI jAn sakate hai.n. usake parichay-se kis jAtake pariNAm aur kis jAtakI usakI gaharAI aur kis jAtakA hai, us par-se jAn sakate hai.n.

mumukShuH- pAtratAke pariNAm to anubhav-se adhik sthUl hai. samAdhAnaH- hA.N, sthUl hai. mumukShuH- anubhavakA jAn sake to pAtratA to... samAdhAnaH- anubhUti to svaya.nkI hai. anubhUti to, svaya.n svAnubhUti kare vah svAnubhUti to svasa.nvedan j~nAn hai. svaya.n hI usakA anubhav karanevAlA hai. isaliye vah usakA anubhav kar sakatA hai. ye to dUsarekI pAtratA. bAkI to svaya.n hI hai, svAnubhUti hai to. svAnubhUtime.n svaya.n svasa.nvedyamAn svaya.n hai. isaliye to usakA vah anubhav kar sakatA hai. dUsarekA jAnanA, usame.n sabakA jAn sakate hai.n, aisA nahI.n hai. kisIko aisA pratyakSha j~nAn ho to jAn sakatA hai. kisIko mati-shrutakI nirmalatA ho, koI avadhij~nAnI ho vah jAn sakatA hai. bAkI koI jIv parichayame.n AyA ho to (jAn sakate hai.n).