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mumukShuH- bhinna paDane par jo vishvAs Aye ki aisA j~nAyak mai.n hU.N, vahA.N thoDI dikkat hotI hai.

samAdhAnaH- ekatva ho rahA hai, isaliye aisA khyAlame.n AtA hai. parantu andar mai.n j~nAyak jAnane vAlA hU.N, j~neyako jAnane vAlA aise nahI.n, rAg mishrit mai.n nahI.n, parantu akelA j~nAyak jo jAnane vAlA hai vahI mai.n hU.N, andar gaharAIme.n Utarakar nij svabhAvako lakShyame.n le to le sake aisA hai. bAkI vaise lakShyame.n lene jAye ki jAnane vAlA mai.n, parako jAne vah mai.n athavA rAgako jAne vah mai.n, rAg mishrit j~nAn mai.n, vah to use sthUlatAse pakaDame.n AtA hai. andar gaharAIme.n jAkar grahaN kare, aisI andarakI jij~nAsA, aisI laganI ho ki mai.n kaun hU.N? ye sab ho rahA hai, usame.n mai.n kaun hU.N? svaya.n svaya.nke svabhAvako lakShyame.n lekar bhinna hokar grahaN karanA chAhe to kar sake aisA hai. lekin andar gaharAIme.n Utare, utanI lagan laganI chAhiye, utanI jij~nAsA (honI chAhiye) ki mai.n kaun hU.N? mujhe kaise grahaN ho? to svaya.n svaya.nko grahaN kiye binA rahatA nahI.n. svaya.n hI hai. sthUlatAse rAg mishrit grahaN hotA hai. lakShaNako bhinna karake lakShaN svaya.n pahachAn sake aisA hai.

mumukShuH- anumAn j~nAnase vichAr karate hai.n tab to khyAlame.n AtA hai ki ye jAnatA hai kaun? jAnatA hai vah AtmA hai, vah j~nAyak hai aur vah tU hai. aise anumAnase (hotA hai). lekin jab svasanmukh hokar lakShaNako khyAlame.n lenekA prayatna karate hai.n, kyo.nki lakShaNase lakShyako pakaDanA hai, ab lakShaN hI bhinna nahI.n paDe aur rAg mishrit khyAlame.n Aye yA j~ney mishrit khyAlame.n Aye ki yah jAnane vAlA mai.n hU.N, isaprakAr usame.n sthApanA kaise karanI?

samAdhAnaH- svaya.nko andar laganI lage to vah svaya.n apanI sthApanA kar sakatA hai aur bhinna paD sakatA hai. lekin svaya.n bhinna hI nahI.n paDatA. vikalpase aisA karane jAye to rAg mishrit use khyAlame.n AtA hai. lekin andarase svaya.n bhinna hokar grahaN karanA chAhe to kar sake aisA hai. parantu utanA a.ntarame.n svaya.nko andar laganA chAhiye. gaharAIme.n Utarakar grahaN karanA chAhiye, to hotA hai.

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mai.n-panA, mai.n.. mai.n.. mai.n jo ho rahA hai, vah mai.n kaun hU.N? mai.n jAnane vAlA hU.N. aise vikalpase mai.n jAnane vAlA, aise nahI.n, parantu merA astitva jo hai, astitva hai vahI mai.n hU.N. jis astitvame.n rAg nahI.n hai, jis astitvame.n vikalpa nahI.n hai, jis astitvame.n... us lakShaNase vikalpase pahachAne ki ye jAnane vAlA mai.n hU.N, parantu merA jo astitva mai.n hU.N, rAg binAkA, vikalpa binAkA, mAtra akelA jAnane vAlA chaitanya vahI mai.n hU.N, isaprakAr svaya.n svaya.nko, jise lagI ho vah grahaN kar sakatA hai.

mumukShuH- gaharAIse, vah utanA gaharAIme.n Utare to ApakA aisA kahanA hai ki vah j~nAn lakShaN bhinna hokar use khyAlame.n Aye?

samAdhAnaH- bhinna hokar andar grahaN kar sakatA hai. rAg hone par bhI svaya.n andar bhinna hokar svaya.n svaya.nko grahaN kar sakatA hai. andar svAnubhUtime.n sthir hotA hai vah alag bAt hai, lekin lakShaNase pratIt dvArA bhI vah pahachAn sakatA hai. UtanA gaharAIme.n jAye, utanI laganI lage, andar use grahaN kiye binA chain nahI.n paDe, utanA use lage to svaya.n andarase grahaN ho sakatA hai. vikalpa nahI.n, rAg nahI.n, bAharase jAne vah mai.n nahI.n, mai.n to mai.n jAnane vAlA hai vahI mai.n hU.N, isaprakAr svaya.n jAnane vAlA hai vahI mai.n hU.N. koI anyake Ashrayase, dUsareko jAnatA hU.N isaliye jAnane vAlA hU.N (aise nahI.n), mai.n svaya.n hI jAnane vAlA hU.N. isaprakAr svaya.n svaya.nko grahaN kar sakatA hai.

mumukShuH- Ap kahate ho tab vichArase nakkI hotA hai ki vikalpa binAkA anAdikA aisA mai.n j~nAyak hU.N, vah vichArame.n to barAbar AtA hai, parantu jab vAstavame.n use andarase grahaN karanekA prayatna karate hai.n tab, lakShaN hI bhinna nahI.n paDatA hai, ki jisake dvArA andar (lakShyako grahaN kar sake).

samAdhAnaH- .. vahI mai.n hU.N, yah merA astitva-chaitanya astitva hai vahI mai.n hU.N, ye sab kuCh mai.n nahI.n hU.N. ye sab rAg, vikalpa Adi jAnaneme.n Ate hai.n vah merA svarUp nahI.n hai. mai.n akelA jAnane vAlA, svaya.n jAnane vAlA hai vahI mai.n hU.N. isaprakAr svaya.n svaya.nko grahaN kar sakatA hai. sthUlatAse aise grahaN hotA hai ki ye jAnatA hai vah mai.n. ye jAnA, vah jAnA, rAgako jAnA, vikalpa hote hai.n usame.n jo jAnane vAlA hai vah mai.n hU.N. bIchame.n vikalpa, rAgAdi Aye, lekin mai.n vah nahI.n, mai.n akelA usase rahit mai.n hU.N. mAtra vikalpase nahI.n, lekin mai.n svaya.n jAnane vAlA hI hU.N.

mumukShuH- Ap kahate ho parantu abhI khyAlame.n utanA AtA hai ki rAg hai, vR^ittikA utthAn hotA hai vah rAg hai, itanA khyAlame.n AtA hai, parantu jAnapanA, jAnapanA anumAname.n lete hai.n to khyAlame.n AtA hai ki jAnapanA yAnI svaparaprakAshakapanA mAtra. aisI trikAl sAmarthyarUp pUrNa vastu ki jisame.n dUsare ananta guN rahe hai.n, vahI mai.n hU.N. lekin usase

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Age j~nAname.n vah lakShaN-vah bhAv sthir rahe, aisA nahI.n hotA.

samAdhAnaH- .. hotA hai isaliye TikatA nahI.n. mAtra vikalpase grahaN hotA hai isaliye vah TikatA nahI.n. bAra.nbAr vichAr kare tab use khyAlame.n AtA hai. vah sthUl hai. andar jo jAnane vAlA hai vahI mai.n hU.N, aise andarase grahaN honA chAhiye. merA astitva, yahI mai.n hU.N. laganI lage to vah grahaN ho aisA hai. phir Tike kitanA vah usake puruShArtha anusAr (hotA hai), parantu vah andarase grahaN ho sake aisA hai. vikalpa, rAgAdi ho to bhI vah gauN hokar, yah jAnane vAlA mai.n hU.N, aise grahaN ho sake aisA hai.

mumukShuH- Ap kahate ho vah khyAlame.n AtA hai ki, j~nAyakakA astitva tU grahaN kar aur vah terA astitva..

samAdhAnaH- ... lakShaN bhinna nahI.n hai. vah svaya.n hI hai. lakShaN aur lakShya dono.n ek hI hai, dono.n bhinna-bhinna nahI.n hai. jisakA lakShaN hai vah svaya.n hI hai. dravya svaya.n hI hai, vah lakShaN dravyakA hI hai. lakShaN aur lakShya dono.n ek hI hai, dono.n alag nahI.n hai. mAtra guNabhed hotA hai. grahaN jo hotA hai vahI vastu hai. vastu svaya.n us lakShaNase bhinna nahI.n hai. dono.n abhed hI hai. ... aisA kram nahI.n paDatA ki yah lakShaN, yah lakShya. aisA bhed nahI.n paDatA. jo lakShaNako pahachAnane jAtA hai, vah svaya.n lakShyako pahachAnatA hai. usame.n bhed nahI.n paDatA. jo yathArtharUpase lakShaNako pahachAnatA hai, use lakShya- lakShaNakA bhed nahI.n paDatA. yah lakShaN hai vahI mere dravyakA sva.nyakA hai. use sAthame.n grahaN hotA hai.

guNabhed to ek... usame.n ananta guN hai, us apekShAse guNabhed hotA hai. ki ye j~nAn jAnanekA lakShaN, AnandakA Ananda lakShaN, aise lakShaN bhinna paDate hai.n. lekin j~nAnalakShaN asAdhAraN hai. pUrNa j~nAyak, jAnane vAlA chAro.n orase jAnane vAlA hI hai. vah jAnane vAlA hai vahI mai.n hU.N, dravya aur guN dono.n guNabhedase bhinna paDate hai.n, vastubhedase bhinna nahI.n hai. isame.n to use vastu grahaN karanI hai. isaliye jo lakShaNako grahaN karane jAye usakA dhyey to vastuko grahaN karanekA hai. jo lakShaN grahaN karatA hai, vah lakShyako sAthame.n grahaN karatA hai. yathArtharUpase ho to.

mumukShuH- Apako aisA kahanA hai ki, jise tIvra lagan lagI, vah lakShaN pakaDane jAtA hai vahA.N pUrA lakShya hI grahaN ho jAtA hai?

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, yathArtha lakShaN grahaN kare to lakShya grahaN ho jAtA hai. andar usakA dhyey yah hai ki mujhe pUrNa dravya grahaN karanA hai. mAtra lakShaN grahaN karanekA usakA dhyey nahI.n hai. j~nAn hai vah asAdhAraN lakShaN hai.

mumukShuH- Apako aisA kahanA hai ki lakShaN grahaN ho to lakShya sIdhA ek

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sAth hI grahaN ho jAtA hai?

samAdhAnaH- ek sAth grahaN ho jAtA hai. sthUl hai isaliye use... vAstavik bhed nahI.n hai. sa.nj~nA bhed hai, kArya bhed hai, aisA hai. AnandakA kArya, jAnanekA kArya, aise hai. vastu bhed nahI.n hai.

..yathArthapane yadi lakShaN grahaN ho to lakShya aur lakShaN dono.n sAthame.n hI grahaN ho jAte hai.n. jo pahale sIdhA dravyako nahI.n pahachAnatA hai use aisA kahaneme.n AtA hai, tU lakShaN dvArA lakShyako pahachAna. kaise pahachAnanA? aisA kahe to jAnane vAlekA lakShaN dikhatA hai, vah jAnane vAlA hai vahI mai.n hU.N. us lakShaN dvArA lakShyako pahachAn le, aisA kahaneme.n AtA hai. parantu vah lakShaN yathArthapane pahachAne use khaDA nahI.n rahanA paDatA ki yah lakShaN aur yah lakShya. aise use bhinna karake grahaN nahI.n karanA paDatA. lakShaN grahaN kare usake sAth hI use lakShya grahaN ho jAtA hai. yathArthapane lakShaN grahaN kare to usakA lakShya dravya sAthame.n hI grahaN ho jAtA hai. pahale lakShaN grahaN kare, phir dravya grahaN kare, vah sab to sthUlatAme.n jAtA hai.

yathArthapane lakShaN grahaN kare, lakShaNake sAth lakShya grahaN hotA hai. vah bhinna-bhinna sthAname.n nahI.n rahate. jahA.N lakShaN hai, vahI.n lakShya hai aur jo lakShya hai, vahI lakShaN hai. lakShya aur lakShaN dono.n ekasAth hai. dono.n sAthame.n grahaN hote hai.n.

samAdhAnaH- vah bhAv bIchame.n hote hai.n. dev-guru-shAstrakI mahimA Adi hote hai.n. andar AtmA to sabase bhinna, usakA svabhAv bhinna hai, use pahachAnanA. sachchA to vahI hai, gurudevane batAyA hai, bhedaj~nAn karanA.

mumukShuH- bhUtArtha bhAv hI, jisakI dR^iShTi karake, jo samyagdR^iShTiko gochar hai,..

samAdhAnaH- pAriNAmikabhAv na?

mumukShuH- hA.N, pAriNAmikabhAva. samAdhanaH- vah bhAv hai. usakI dR^iShTi karake yAnI dravya par dR^iShTi AtI hai. pAriNAmik bhAv hai usame.n koI bhed nahI.n paDatA. udayabhAv, upashamabhAv sab apekShit hai, yah nirapekSha bhAv hai. pAriNAmikabhAvame.n.n koI apekShA nahI.n hai. vah AtmAkA sahaj svarUp hai. vah bhAv hai. isaliye ek bhAv par dR^iShTi rakhanI aisA usakA Ashay nahI.n hai. usame.n Ashay pUrNa dravya par dR^iShTi karanekA hai. pAriNAmikabhAvakA artha yah hai.

pAriNAmik bhAvase, pratyek dravya paramapAriNAmikabhAv svarUp hai. pAriNAmikabhAv anAdiananta hai. jo dravyakA sahaj svarUp hai, us sahaj svarUpase dravya hai. sahaj svarUparUp hI rahatA hai. usake j~nAn, darshan, chAritra sab sahajarUp yAnI dravyarUp hI hai. yAnI usame.n koI bhed nahI.n hai. dR^iShTi rakhanI yAnI ek bhAv par dR^iShTi karanI, aisA nahI.n hai.

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usame.n pUrA dravya A jAtA hai. dravya par dR^iShTi karanese usame.n pAriNAmikabhAv samA jAtA hai.

mumukShuH- pAriNAmikabhAv.. dono.n ekArtha hai aisA nahI.n kah sakate?

samAdhAnaH- ek artha hai aisA nahI.n, parantu us pAriNAmikabhAvame.n dravya hI A jAtA hai. pUrNa dravya usame.n A jAtA hai.

mumukShuH- kShAyik paryAy athavA kevalaj~nAnakI paryAy bAhar rah jAtI hai, to phir pIChe dravyakI koI ..

samAdhAnaH- kShAyikabhAv to paryAy hai na, dravya to anAdiananta hai. kShAyikabhAv bAdame.n pragaT hotA hai, vah anAdiananta nahI.n hai. isaliye usame.n pAriNAmikabhAv to anAdiananta hai. isaliye dravya par dR^iShTi karanepar usame.n pAriNAmikabhAv A jAtA hai. usame.n kShAyikabhAv to sAdiananta hotA hai.

mumukShuH- kevalaj~nAnakI paryAy bhI nahI.n hai.

samAdhAnaH- kevalaj~nAnakI paryAy nahI.n hai. kevalaj~nAnakI shakti hai.

mumukShuH- shakti hai?

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, shakti hai, paryAy nahI.n hai. pariNamanarUp paryAy nahI.n hai, shakti hai. sab pAriNAmikabhAvarUp hai. sahaj AtmA sahaj j~nAnasvarUp hai, sahaj darshanasvarUp hai, sahaj chAritrasvarUp hai. lekin vah chAritra yAnI kaun-sA chAritra? pUrNa pragaT chAritra, vah chAritra nahI.n. sahaj chAritra jo svAbhAvik sahaj shaktirUp hai, vah sab usame.n A jAtA hai. sahaj darshan, sahaj j~nAn, sahaj chAritra, sahaj balasvarUp Adi sab sahaj hai. vah pAriNAmikabhAvarUp hai. pAriNAmikabhAv anAdiananta hai. usame.n pUrNa j~nAyak A jAtA hai. dravya par dR^iShTi kI usame.n pAriNAmikabhAv A jAtA hai. pAriNAmikabhAvako grahaN karanA athavA dravyako grahaN karanA, dono.n ek svarUp hI hai. Chaho.n dravyame.n. parantu pAriNAmikabhAv anAdiananta hai. dravya jaise anAdiananta hai, vaise pAriNAmikabhAv dravyame.n anAdiananta hai. bAkI udayabhAv Adi sab apekShit hai. kShAyikabhAv, upashamabhAv, kShayopashamabhAv Adi.

mumukShuH- dravyako pAriNAmikabhAvako katha.nchit bhed kah sakate hai.n?

samAdhAnaH- guN-guNIkA bhed kah sakate hai.n. koI apekShAse guN-guNI bhed kah sakate hai.n.

mumukShuH- pAriNAmikabhAvako guN kahate hai.n?

samAdhAnaH- pAriNAmikabhAvako guN kahate hai.n, hA.N, guN kahate hai.n.

mumukShuH- guNo.nkA samUh hai?

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samAdhAnaH- guN-guN kahate hai.n. pAriNAmikabhAv anAdiananta hai, isaliye guN hai. vah paryAy nahI.n hai.

mumukShuH- jab dR^iShTi AtmA par jAtI hai, tab Ashray kiyA aisA kahaneme.n AtA hai. parantu kevalaj~nAn hone par Ashray ChUT jAtA hai?

samAdhAnaH- dR^iShTine AtmAkA Ashray liyA. dravya par dR^iShTi gayI, vah dR^iShTi vahA.N shAshvat sahaj ho jAtI hai. pahale use sahaj nahI.n hotA, puruShArtha karake dR^iShTi pragaT kI. jo dR^iShTi pragaT huyI, (vah) dR^iShTi shAshvat rahatI hai. kevalaj~nAn pragaT hotA hai tab Ashray nahI.n hotA, vikalpayukta Ashray nahI.n hotA, kevalaj~nAnIko. use to sahaj pariNaman hotA hai. Ashray ChUT gayA yAnI use vikalpa ChUT gaye. bAkI jo pariNati svaya.nkI or muDI so muDI, vah to shAshvat hai. svaya.nkI or muD gayI, j~nAyakame.n pariNati (gayI), j~nAyakako lakShyame.n liyA, j~nAyak par jo dR^iShTi tha.nbh gayI vah sahaj hai. Ashray yAnI use bojh nahI.n hai. vikalpakA bojh ChUT gayA. dR^iShTi to sahaj hai. dR^iShTi to sahaj sadAke liye hai. dR^iShTi, j~nAn, kevalaj~nAn honepar j~nAn pUrNa ho jAtA hai.

mumukShuH- kevalaj~nAn honepar Ashray ChUT nahI.n jAtA.

samAdhAnaH- vikalpa ChUT jAte hai.n, Ashray to... usane dishA badalI, dR^iShTi bAhar thI, andar gayI. dishA badal dI. lakShyame.n liyA, AtmAkI or pariNati gayI vah sadA rah gayI. apanI pariNati gayI, svaya.nkA Ashray liyA, vikalpa ChUT gaye isaliye nirvikalpa dashA shAshvat rah gayI. dR^iShTi shAshvat aur j~nAn jaisA thA vaisA pUrNa nirmal ho gayA. sab shAshvat pariNatirUp ho gayA. vikalpakI upAdhi ChUT gayI. nirupAdhi sahaj ho gayA. darshan, j~nAn, chAritra jo AtmAme.n pragaT hue vah sAdhanArUp the, vah pUrNa sahajarUp ho gaye.