Benshreeni Amrut Vani Part 2 Transcripts-Hindi (itrans transliteration). Track: 30.

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mumukShuH- mahimA AnI chAhiye, to kitanI mahimA AnI chAhiye?

samAdhAnaH- use a.ntarame.nse pUrI-pUrI mahimA AnI chAhiye. vibhAvase, yah vibhAv sarvasvarUpase AdaraNIy nahI.n hai, yah vibhAv merA svabhAv nahI.n hai. vibhAvakI mahimA sarva prakArase ChUTakar AtmAkI mahimA use sarva prakArase AnI chAhiye. phir use bAharakA kitanA ChUTe vah alag bAt hai, lekin mahimA to use pUrI honI chAhiye. koI bhI a.nshame.n ye kuCh bhI bAharakA AdaraNIy hai yA yah ThIk hai, aisA use nahI.n laganA chAhiye. a.ntarame.nse sarva prakArase AtmA hI sarvasva hai. kisI bhI prakArase kisI bhI vibhAvakA koI a.nsh bhI achChA nahI.n hai aur AtmAko sukharUp nahI.n hai. koI bhI a.nsh, Uchchase Uchcha shubhabhAv ho to bhI vah AtmAkA svarUp nahI.n hai.

uchchase uchcha shubhabhAvakI mahimA (ho) ki yah mujhe ThIk hai, aisA a.ntarase, andarase aisI mahimA nahI.n hotI. sarva prakArase AtmAkI hI mahimA AnI chAhiye. to apanI or dR^iShTi muDe aur use j~nAyakakI pariNati pragaT ho. phir svaya.n AtmAme.n utanA nahI.n rah sake, vah alag bAt hai. us kAraNase ashubhabhAvase bachaneke liye shubhabhAv Ate hai.n. use dev-guru-shAstrakI mahimA Aye. jise AtmAkI mahimA lagI, isaliye jisane AtmA pragaT kiyA aise jinendra dev, guru sAdhanA karate hai.n, isaliye usakI mahimA use Aye. mujhe AtmA chAhiye, vah jisane pragaT kiyA unakI mahimA use Aye. parantu vah shubhabhAv hai. mujhe AdaraNIy to sarvasva prakArase AtmA hI hai. utanI mahimA use AtmAkI AnI chAhiye. phir use ho nahI.n sake, usame.n Tik nahI.n pAye vah alag bAt hai. parantu mahimA to pUrI-pUrI, shraddhAme.n to use pUrI-pUrI mahimA AnI chAhiye. shraddhA to pUrI-pUrI AtmAkI or AnI chAhiye.

use koI bhI prakArase AdaraNIy yA anumodanIy athavA yah karane jaisA hai, bAharakA itane a.nshame.n ThIk hai, koI vibhAvame.n juDe to usakI anumodanA (karanI), aise a.ntarame.n use shraddhAkI apekShAse nahI.n AnA chAhiye. shraddhAme.n pUrI-pUrI mahimA AnI chAhiye. phir AcharaName.n vah ChUT nahI.n sake vah alag bAt hai. shubhabhAvame.n khaDA rahe. a.ntarakI svAnubhUti pragaT nahI.n kar sake aur andar lInatA (nahI.n ho sake), samyagdarshan pragaT ho to bhI


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use Age jAkar chAritra nahI.n AtA, lInatA kam hotI hai, isaliye bAhar shubhabhAvame.n khaDA rahe. usakI mahimA bhI bAharase dikhe, bhakti bhI Aye. jinendra devakI bhakti karatA ho, gurukI mahimA karatA ho, sab kare, parantu andarame.n pariNatime.n, merA AtmA sarvasva hai, aisI shraddhA to use honI hI chAhiye. jij~nAsukI bhUmikAme.n bhI shraddhA to AtmAkI or honI chAhiye. samyagdarshaname.n to yathArtha shraddhA hotI hai. pUrI-pUrI shraddhA honI chAhiye. shraddhAn aur svarUp mahimAme.n kuCh pharka nahI.n honA chAhiye.

mumukShuH- vikalpame.n shraddhA aur nirvikalpa shraddhA, usame.n kyA pharka hai?

samAdhAnaH- vikalparUp shraddhAme.n rAg mishrit hai. rAg sAthame.n hai. nirvikalpa shraddhA AtmAkA yathArtha Ashray hai. vikalpa vAlI shraddhA hai vah rAg mishrit hai.

mumukShuH- vikalpa kiyA usame.n hI rAg A gayA na?

samAdhAnaH- vikalpame.n.n rAg hI hotA hai. vah shubharAg hai. merA AtmA .. hai, apanI or muDA, rAg hai. vikalpa hai vah rAg hai. aur jis vikalpame.n dveShake vichAr Aye vah dveShakA vikalpa. rAgake vikalpa hai.n, vah sab vikalpa, rAg-dveShase bhare jitane vikalpa hai, usame.n manda ho yA tIvra, lekin vah rAg aur dveSh (hai). vikalpa yAnI usame.n rAg sAthame.n hotA hai. rAg aur dveSha.

mumukShuH- bhedaj~nAn hotA hai vah bhI vikalpame.n (hI hotA hai)?

samAdhAnaH- yathArtha bhedaj~nAn, bhedaj~nAnakI sahaj pariNati andar hotI hai. vah sahaj pariNati (hai). vikalpa usame.n nIche hotA hai. nirvikalpa svAnubhUtikI bAt alag hai, lekin bhedaj~nAnakI dhArAme.n vikalpakI pariNati, use jo ekatvabuddhi rUp thI vah nahI.n hai. bhedaj~nAnarUp pariNati hai, isaliye vah gauNarUp hai. use vikalpakI or AshrayarUp nahI.n hai, Ashray AtmAkA hai. vikalpa sAthame.n rahatA hai. bhedaj~nAnakI sahaj pariNati hai. svAnubhUtipUrvak jo bhedaj~nAnakI dashA hai, usame.n vikalpakA bhedaj~nAn vartatA hai. vikalpa sAthame.n hotA hai, lekin sahaj bhedaj~nAn hai. sahaj pariNati hai, vikalpa gauNarUp rahatA hai. bhedaj~nAnakI dhArA Urdhva rahatI hai. vikalpa gauN rahatA hai. sabhI kAyAme.n AtmA hI urdhva hotA hai, dR^iShTime.n AtmA hI najarAtA hai, vikalpa gauN rahatA hai. ekatvabuddhi jahA.N hai, usakI dR^iShTime.n AtmA Urdhva nahI.n hotA, vikalpa-vikalpa hote hai.n.

mumukShuH- Apane ek bAt kahI, keval AtmAko pahachAnakar AtmAkA jAnapanA honA vah paryApta nahI.n hai. usake sAth bhakti aur mahimA Aye tab hI AtmAkI anubhUti hotI hai.

samAdhAnaH- keval jAnapanA yAnI aisA artha hai ki rukhA jAnapanA. j~nAn kare lekin us jAtikA vairAgya, bhakti, utanI mahimA AtmAkI or nahI.n ho to mAtra


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jAnaneke khAtir jAn liyA. isaliye usane sachchA jAnA bhI nahI.n hai. andar jAnapanA yathArtha kise kahe.n? ki use andarase vairAgya AnA chAhiye ki ye vibhAv mujhe AdaraNIy nahI.n hai, merA AtmA AdaraNIy hai. AtmA hI mahimAva.nt hai, vibhAv mahimAva.nt nahI.n hai. yahA.NkI mahimA Aye aur vibhAvakI orase virakti hotI hai, aur jAnapanA sAthame.n hotA hai ki yah j~nAn hai so mai.n hU.N. isake sivA dUsarA mai.n nahI.n hU.N. j~nAyak hai vahI mai.n hU.N. j~nAyakase atirikta mujhase bhinna hai. merA svabhAv usase bhinna hai. j~nAn to mukhya sAthame.n hI hotA hai, lekin j~nAnake sAth vairAgya aur mahimA juDe hone chAhiye. to hI usakA j~nAn sAdhanAkI or kAm karatA hai. yadi use vibhAvase virakti nahI.n AtI to sAdhanAkI or usakA j~nAn kArya nahI.n karatA. mAtra jAnaneke liye jAn le to.

mumukShuH- sachchA jAnapanA hI usakA nAm hai ki usake sAth bhakti, vairAgya Adi juDe ho.

samAdhAnaH- sab juDA ho to hI vah sachchA j~nAn hai. sAdhanAme.n j~nAn kAm kare parantu usake sAth vairAgya aur bhakti juDI honI chAhiye. bhaktime.n bhI shubharAg dev-guru- shAstrakA, a.ntarame.n AtmAkI mahimA honI chAhiye.

mumukShuH- j~nAyakakI bhakti.

samAdhAnaH- j~nAyakakI bhakti honI chAhiye. j~nAyakakI jise mahimA Aye, j~nAyakakI hI use mahimA AtI ho. bAharame.n dev-guru-shAstra jo sAdhanA karake pUrNa ho gaye, unakI mahimA AtI hai.

mumukShuH- usIkA nAm j~nAyakakI pahachAn aur dev-guru-shAstrakI pahachAn hI usIkA nAm ki mahimA sahit hI Aye.

samAdhAnaH- mahimA sahit Aye to hI sachchI pahachAn hai. mAtra buddhise pahachAne vah alag hai. andar mahimAse pahachAne to hI usane sachchA pahachAnA hai.

mumukShuH- j~nAnIke prati bhI aisA hI hotA hai ki unakI sachchI pahachAn tab hI kahe.n ki sachchI mahimA unake prati ho.

samAdhAnaH- mahimA bhI sAthame.n hI honI chAhiye. guNakI mahimA AnI chAhiye. jo sachche mArga (par) sAdhanA pragaT kI hai, pUrNa hue, unake guNakI mahimA AnI chAhiye. to hI usane jAnA, nahI.n to vah jAnapanA kis kAmakA? mAtra jAnaneke liye jAnanA rah jAtA hai.

mumukShuH- bahut achChI bAt huyI, pUrI-pUrI mahimA AnI chAhiye. kitanI mahimA AnI chAhiye? ki pUrI-pUrI AnI chAhiye.

samAdhAnaH- usakA artha aisA hai ki bAharame.n bahut ullAs dikhAye, aisA artha


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nahI.n hai. andarase pUrA Adar AnA chAhiye, j~nAyakakI or pUrA-pUrA Adar AnA chahiye.

mumukShuH- bAharame.n vANIke sAth athavA vikalpake sAth koI sambandha nahI.n hai.

samAdhAnaH- usake sAth sambandha nahI.n hai. pUrA-pUrA Adar AnA chAhiye. itanA Adar bas hai, aise usakI maryAdA nahI.n hotI. usakA pUrA-pUrA Adar Aye to hI vah Age baDh sakatA hai. pUrA-pUrA Adar nahI.n jA sakatA. j~nAyakakA pUrA Adar AnA chAhiye.

mumukShuH- bahut achChA. mAtAjI! Apake do shabda nikalate hai.n ki itane sundar hote hai.n ki Ananda ho jAtA hai. itanI achChI bAt hai.

samAdhAnaH- shraddhAme.n to pUrA-pUrA Adar AnA chAhiye. shraddhAme.n pUrA Adar nahI.n AtA hai to vah Age nahI.n jA sakatA.

mumukShuH- astise pUrA Adar aur nAstise..

samAdhAnaH- pUrA anAdar aur pUrA-pUrA AtmAkA-j~nAyakakA Adara. usake sivA use kuCh bhI andar ruchatA nahI.n, kuCh posAtA nahI.n. sarva prakArase mujhe j~nAyak hI sarvasva hai. aisA use shraddhAme.n AnA chAhiye.

mumukShuH- tab anubhUti hotI hai, tab AtmA prApta hotA hai.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, tab prApta hotA hai. shraddhAkI apekShAse nau-nau koTise vibhAvako tilA.njali dI. sarva prakArase nau-nau koTise AtmAkA shraddhAme.n Adar hotA hai. to hI vah Age baDhatA hai. chAritrakA alag aur shraddhAkA... sarva prakArase Adar yAnI usame.n koTi A gayI. shAstrame.n vah bhAShA nahI.n AtI hai, lekin sarva prakArase Adar yAnI usakA artha yah huA ki shraddhAme.n j~nAyak aur AcharaName.n j~nAyaka. mujhe har jagah j~nAyak hI chAhiye. sarva prakArase mujhe j~nAyak chAhiye. shAstrame.n vah koTi nahI.n AtI hai, AcharaName.n hI AtI hai.

mumukShuH- ..

samAdhAnaH- j~nAyak, sabame.n j~nAyaka.

mumukShuH- .. to j~nAn, vichAr karu.n to j~nAn..

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, sabame.n j~nAyaka. sarva prakArase, Adarame.n sarva prakArase j~nAyaka.

mumukShuH- utpAd-vyay aur dhruvakA svarUp nahI.n mAnakar, mai.n ananta guNasvarUp paramAnandI dhruv hU.N, aisI shraddhA aur dR^iShTi kare to..

samAdhAnaH- nahI.n mAne to pharka hai, mAne nahI.n to.

mumukShuH- ananta guNasvarUp mAne to?

samAdhAnaH- ananta guN svarUp mAne, lekin paryAy utpAd-vyayako mAne nahI.n


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to usakI dR^iShTime.n pharka hai. j~nAname.n to mAnanA chAhiye na. dR^iShTime.n ek dhruv AtA hai, parantu usake j~nAname.n sab honA chAhiye. vaisI dR^iShTi barAbar nahI.n hai. dR^iShTi use kahate hai.n ki dR^iShTi bhale dravyako svIkAre, parantu usake j~nAname.n sab honA chAhiye. dR^iShTime.n ek dhruv par dR^iShTi rakhe ki mai.n chaitanyatattva anAdiananta hU.N, usakA astitva grahaN kiyA. parantu utpAd-vyay Adi sab usake j~nAname.n AnA chAhiye. mAtra itanA svIkAre ki mai.n paramAtmA hU.N aur paryAy kuCh bhI nahI.n hai, aisA j~nAname.n bhI yadi nahI.n svIkAre to dR^iShTi bhI yathArtha nahI.n hai. dR^iShTi aur j~nAn dono.n sAthame.n hI rahate hai.n. dono.n sAthame.n hai.n. ekadUsareko sAth dene vAle hai.n. usame.n ekAnta ho jAye to-to dR^iShTi bhI jUThI ho jAtI hai. dR^iShTi aur j~nAn sAthame.n hI rahanA chAhiye.

j~nAn-samyakaj~nAn aur samyagdR^iShTi dono.n sAthame.n rahane chAhiye. j~nAname.n sabakA svIkAr Aye aur dR^iShTi to ek par tha.NbhAkar sthir rakhatA hai. isaliye dR^iShTime.n vah gauN hotA hai. lekin vah hai hI nahI.n aur use nikAl de to dR^iShTi samyak nahI.n hotI. vah hai hI nahI.n, j~nAname.n bhI nahI.n hai, aisA niShedh kare to use dR^iShTi samyak nahI.n hai. j~nAname.n to sAthame.n rahanA hI chAhiye. dR^iShTi aur j~nAn dono.n sAthame.n hI rahate hai.n.

mumukShuH- utpAd-vyay-dhruvakA j~nAn dR^iShTiko madad karate hai.n?

samAdhAnaH- dono.n ekasAth ekadUsareko paraspar madad karate hai.n. ek jagah jor detA hai ki anAdi vastu hai. phir usakA svarUp kyA hai? svarUp jAnanA vah j~nAnakA kArya hai. j~nAnakA svabhAv aisA hai ki sab jAne. aur dR^iShTikA vah kArya hai ki ek par dR^iShTi sthir karatA hai, astitvako grahaN karatI hai. dR^iShTikA viShay hI aisA hai ki usame.n bhed nahI.n Ate. usakA svarUp hI aisA hai. yadi akelI dR^iShTi ho aur j~nAn sAth nahI.n ho to use sAdhakadashA hotI nahI.n. aur mAtra jAnatA rahe aur dR^iShTi ek par sthir nahI.n kare to vah sAdhakadashA nahI.n hotI. dR^iShTi bhale mukhya rahatI hai, lekin yadi j~nAn sAthame.n nahI.n ho to bhI sAdhakadashA nahI.n hotI. aur j~nAn ho parantu dR^iShTi sthir nahI.n kare, astitva par jor nahI.n de to bhI sAdhak dashA nahI.n AtI. dono.n sAth (hote hai.n).

mumukShuH- aise to dono.nme.n virodh hai, dR^iShTikA abhed viShay hai aur j~nAnakA bhed viShay hai.

samAdhAnaH- paraspar virodh nahI.n hai. ekadUsare-ekadUsareko sAth dene vAle hai.n. j~nAname.n sab AtA hai. j~nAname.n sirpha bhed nahI.n AtA hai. j~nAname.n abhed aur bhed dono.n Ate hai.n. j~nAname.n dono.n Ate hai.n, dR^iShTime.n ek AtA hai. j~nAname.n dono.n Ate hai.n. lekin dR^iShTi ek jagah sthir rahatI hai. ekako grahaN karake ek par jor detI hai, ek mukhya rahanese


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use sAdhak dashA sadhatI hai. j~nAname.n dono.n pahalU Aye to sAdhak dashA hai, ekAnta ho jAye to bhI sAdhak dashA sadhatI nahI.n.

paryAyame.n kuCh nahI.n hai, vibhAv nahI.n hai, kuCh nahI.n hai aisA mAne, ekAnta aisA mAne to sAdhak dashAme.n kuCh karanA hI nahI.n rahatA. yadi ekAnta mAne to kuCh karanA nahI.n rahatA.

mumukShuH- j~nAname.n abhed Aye yAnI kyA?

samAdhAnaH- j~nAn ek abhed ek dravyako svIkAratA hai aur j~nAn paryAyako bhI svIkAratA hai, dono.nko svIkAratA hai. j~nAn akelI paryAyako svIkAratA hai, aisA nahI.n hai. j~nAn abhedako bhI svIkAratA hai aur j~nAn bhedako bhI svIkAratA hai. j~nAn sab svIkAr karatA hai.

mumukShuH- abhedako j~nAn svIkAratA hai vah dR^iShTikA viShay abhed hai, vah dravya?

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, dR^iShTikA viShay abhed hai, usakA j~nAn svIkAr karatA hai. dR^iShTi jo svIkAratI hai, vahI j~nAn svIkAratA hai. j~nAn use alag nahI.n svIkAratA. kevalaj~nAn pragaT ho, munidashA pragaT ho, samyagdarshan, j~nAn, chAritra sab pragaT hotA hai, sab paryAy pragaT hotI hai aur vah sab pUjanIy kahanemee.n AtA hai. sab pUjanIy hai. sAdakhadashA yA pUrNa kevalaj~nAn ho, siddhadashA ho, vah sab paryAyame.n pragaT hotA hai, vah sab pUjanIy hai. dR^iShTi ekako grahaN karatI hai. ek par jor Aye to hI sAdhakadashA sadhatI hai.

..chAro.n or vichAr karatA rahe, lekin ek vastu par sthir nahI.n hotA hai to Age nahI.n jA sakatA. vichAr chAro.n or kare. vichAr, jAnaneme.n sab AtA hai. yahA.Nse bhAvanagar jAnA ho to kis rAste par AtA hai, yah nakkI kar liyA. vahA.N sthir hokar us mArga par chalane lage. lekin j~nAname.n sabakA khyAl rahatA hai. bIchame.n kyA- kyA AtA hai aur kaise jAnA, kahA.N jAnA vah sab j~nAname.n khyAlame.n rahatA hai. lekin ek bAtako yadi sthir nahI.n kare ki yahI.n jAnA hai, ek par sthir nahI.n hotA hai to Age nahI.n jA sakatA. dravya yahI hai aur isI dravyako sAdhanA hai. yah dravya jo anAdiananta vastu hai, usakI paryAyame.n vibhAv hotA hai. ek vastu shuddhAtmA use hI sAdhanA hai. vahA.N ek par dR^iShTiko-pratItako sthir kare aur yadi Age baDhe to jA sakatA hai. lekin j~nAname.n use sab khyAl (hotA hai), bIchame.n kyA-kyA AtA hai, kyA vibhAv, kyA svabhAv sabakA khyAl rakhakar dR^iShTike jorame.n Age jAtA hai. dono.n sAthame.n honA chAhiye, nahI.n to mArga sadhatA nahI.n.

mumukShuH- use hI dR^iShTi mukhya karatI hai.

samAdhAnaH- use dR^iShTi sthir karatI hai ki j~nAname.n yah jAnA, phir dR^iShTi-pratItame.n


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sthir kare ki yahI vastu hai, us par sthir hokar, dR^iShTiko us par tha.NbhAkar Age jAtA hai. vastu yah hai, us par dR^iShTikA jor AtA hai. isaliye usame.n bAkI sab gauN hotA hai. chAro.n or najar karatA rahe to (nahI.n hotA). ek dhyey bAndhe, yah dR^iShTi. ek dravyako grahaN kiyA, phir usame.n kyA-kyA hai aur Age jAnA hai, yah j~nAn jAnatA hai. dono.n sAthame.n hone chAhiye.

dR^iShTiko mukhya isaliye kahaneme.n AtI hai ki j~nAn jAne, parantu ek vastuko sthir nahI.n kare, pratItame.n dR^iDhatA nahI.n lAye ki yah ek vastu hai, usakI sAdhanA karu aur us par dR^iShTi sthir nahI.n ho to Age nahI.n jA sakatA. isaliye dR^iShTi mukhya hai. lekin j~nAname.n yah sab jAne nahI.n ki vastu kyA, usakI paryAy kyA, vibhAv kyA, usakA svabhAv kyA, sAdhakadashA kyA, samyagdarshan-j~nAn-chAritra kyA, use jAne nahI.n to Age nahI.n jA sakatA. dR^iShTi sthir ho gayI isaliye ab aise hI chalA jAyegA. aise chalA nahI.n jAtA.

mArgako chAro.n orase jAne binA chal nahI.n sakatA. niShedh kare, aise Age jA nahI.n sakatA. mai.n to ek anAdiananta shuddhAtmA hU.N, usame.n kuCh huA hI nahI.n, ab kuCh nahI.n karanA hai. aise Age nahI.n jA sakatA. j~nAn vibhAvakA vivek, svabhAv- vibhAvakA (vivek) na kare to Age nahI.n jA sakatA.

muumukShuH- dR^iShTiko samarthan hai? samAdhAnaH- hA.N, samarthan detA hai. dR^iShTikA bal baDhatA hai. dR^iShTike balase Age baDhA jAtA hai aur j~nAn samyak ho vah sabako samarthan detA hai aur Age baDhA jAtA hai.

.. karanA hI nahI.n rahatA, aisA usakA artha ho jAtA hai. kuCh hai hI nahI.n AtmAme.n, phir kyA karanA? paryAy hI nahI.n hai, to phir kyA karanA rahA? kuCh bhI nahI.n karanA hai. pratItako dR^iDh kiye binA Age nahI.n jA sakatA. j~nAname.n jAnatA rahe ki utpAd- vyay aise hai.n, AtmA aisA hai, shuddha aisA hai, ashuddha aisA hai, vibhAv aisA aur svabhAv aisA, dravya shuddha Adi sab vichAr kare, parantu ek vastu j~nAyakako grahaN karake us par dR^iShTi sthir kare, pratIt dR^iDh karake yadi....

prashamamUrti bhagavatI mAtano jay ho!
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