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mumukShuH- .. din bhI hai, isaprakAr parivartan karaneme.n pUjya gurudevane jo mahAn vIrya prakaT kiyA hogA, usame.n kaun-kaunasI shaktine kAm kiyA hogA, yah Ap samajhAIye to gurudevake ma.ngal dravyake bAreme.n hame.n kuCh khyAl Aye.

samAdhAnaH- vah to aisA hai ki sab sahaj Aye aisA hai. maie.n kuCh kahu.N, aisA kaChu nahI.n hai.

mumukShuH- thoDA-thoDA...

samAdhAnaH- ek to gurudevakA kyA prasa.ng banA vah hotA hai, bAkI kuCh pUChe to nikale. gurudevane pahalese unhe.n kuCh samay bAd nakkI ho gayA thA ki yah sa.npradAy alag hai aur sabakuCh bhinna hai. isaliye unhe.n hR^idayame.n hI aisA ho gayA thA ki ye sab ChoDane jaisA hai. aur nakkI kiyA thA ki (ye ChoD denA hai).

pahale to sthAnakavAsI sa.npradAyame.n barAbar usakI kriyAyo.nkA pAlan karate the aur barAbar (pAlate the), usame.n thoDA bhI pharka nahI.n paDatA thA. unake shAstrame.n jo likhA ho vaise hI ve barAbar pAlate the. vhoranekI-AhArakI, vihArakI Adi sab kriyAe.N jo unake sthAnakavAsI shAstro.nme.n hotI hai, vaisI hI pAlate the. usame.n jitane kapaDe rakhanA likhA ho, kaise vihAr karanA Adi sab vaisA hI karate the. unakI AharakI kriyAe.N jaise shAstrame.n AtA thA, us anusAr unhe.n thoDA bhI pharka nahI.n paDe, isaprakAr karate the. dUsare sAdhu kitane hI kapaDo.nkA Dher kare, kitanA kuCh kare aisA sab gurudev nahI.n karate the.

ek gA.Nvame.n amuk dino.nse jyAdA nahI.n rahanA, aisA gurudev karate the. barAbara. sthAnakavAsI sa.npradAyame.n to mukhya sAdhu, mahAn sAdhu kahalAte the. AhAr lene jAy to kuCh pharka paDe, koI yuvAn mar jAy, koI pAnIko sparsha kar le, unake liye banAyA hai aisA mAlUm paDe to turanta aise vApas muD jAte the, mAno bijalIke chamakArekI bhA.Nti. dUsaro.nko sadamA pahu.NchatA ki aise mahApuruSh hamAre ghar padhAre aur vApas jA rahe hai.n. aisI unakI kriyA thI. AhAr lene padhAre tab sab kA.Npate the ki hamase koI bhUl na ho jAye. aisI sakhta kriyA thI. aur dUsare sAdhu the, aisA hai, aisA hai, aisA sab (hotA thA).

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gurudevako kuCh nahI.n thA. nispR^ih jaisI unakI kriyAe.N sthAnakavAsI sa.npradAyame.n joradAr thI.

usame.n unhe.n khyAl AyA ki munipanA to koI alag hI hai, yah munipanA nahI.n hai. yah sab to (munipanA nahI.n hai). munipanA to diga.nbarakA kundakundAchAryane kahA vah munitva hai, yah nahI.n hai. isaliye unhe.n pheraphAr karanekA vichAr AyA ki isame.n rahanA aur ye sab unakI kriyAe.N, andar ye dashA! munikI dashA to alag hotI hai (aur) ye sab alag hai. isaliye unhe.n pheraphAr karanekA vichAr AyA.

mumukShuH- jaisI Aj~nA ho, us anusAr hI thA aur usame.n bhI kisI bhI prakArakA..

samAdhAnaH- bhagavAnakI jo Aj~nA hai us Aj~nA anusAr barAbar pAlan karanA. aise unho.nne a.ntar vairAgyase dIkShA lI thI, isaliye ve barAbar vaisA hI pAlate the aur mahAtmA kahalAte the. mahAn kahalAte the. phir unhe.n aisA lagA ki yah jUThA hai. parantu unakI khyAti itanI thI ki is sa.npradAyako dhakkA pahu.NchegA. isaliye bahut vichAr kiyA. ek sAth bol nahI.n pAtI hU.N, thoDI der bAd bolatI hU.N.

... sthAnakavAsI sa.npradAyakA bandhan na ho, shA.nt.. sonagaDhame.n koI nahI.n thA, sthAnakavAsIkA aisA koI jor nahI.n thA, isaliye yahA.N unho.nne pasa.nd kiyA. yahA.N haragovi.ndabhAI Adi the, yahA.N hIrAbhAIke ba.ngaleme.n sab nakkI kiyA. lekin ChoDaneke bAd bahut virodh huA. virodhI akhabAr bahut nikale the. sab bhakto.nko pUChate ki ye sab ChoDanA hai. sabako bahut prem thA, gurudev Apako jo kiyA, vah barAbar hai. kitane to aisA hI kahate the. phir to sab log muDane lage.

mumukShuH- khAsakar jo samajhadAr varga thA, vah sab..

samAdhAnaH- samajhakar hI kiyA hogA, aisA jinake hR^idayame.n gurudevakA sthAn ho gayA thA, ve sabakuCh AtmArthake liye hI karane vAle hai.n, unakA j~nAn koI alag hai, aisA sab mAnate the. ve sab muDane lage. pahale to khAs nahI.n Aye. bahut virodhI akhabar Aye na isaliye. kuCh log (aisA kahate the), gurudev! Ap jahA.N jAoge vahA.N ham Aye.nge. Ap jo kahate ho, sab kabUl hai. kitane hI bhAI, kitane hI bahane.n sab taiyAr the. yahA.N jorAvaranagarame.n bahut logo.nko gurudev pUChate the. vaDhavANake dAsabhAI, maganabhAI sabako kahate the. pahale to yahA.N jorAvaranagarame.n karanA thA, lekin vahA.N chAro.n or sthAnakavAsI (rahate the), surendranagarame.n sthAnakavAsI, vaDhavAName.n sthAnakavAsI, bIchame.n jorAvaranagar thA. vah ChoTA thA, lekin bIchame.n rahanese to virodh hogA, isaliye yahA.N nakkI kiyA.

shrImadake Ashram vAle kahate the ki hamAre Ashramame.n padhAriye. lekin gurudev kahate

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the ki mai.n vaise nahI.n rah pAU.NgA. mai.n to kundakundAchAryakA mArga pravartan karu.NgA, aise nahI.n rah pAU.NgA. vanecha.nd seTh vA.nkAnerake the, unho.nne kahA, hamAre Ashramame.n-shrImadake Ashramame.n (rahIe). mAtra shrImadakA hI nahI.n, mai.n to kundakundAchAryakA mArga prakAshit kar sakatA hU.N. bahut vichAr karaneke bAd gurudevane ChoDA. kitane hI bhakta to mAnate the ki gurudev jo kahate hai.n vah barAbar hai. kuCh bahane.n, kuCh bhAIo.n.

pahale yahA.N sonagaDhame.n to bahut log nahI.n the. hameshA rahane vAle bahut thoDe the. isaliye hIrAbhAIke ba.ngaleme.n (nakkI kiyA). hajAro.nkI janasa.nkhyAke bIch vyAkhyAn dete the. kahate the, yahA.N to apane AtmAkA karanA hai. bIch vAlA hol thA, usame.n paDhate the. ek lAIn bhAIo.nkI, ek lAIn bahano.nkI. bahano.nkI kuCh DeDh lAIn hotI thI. utane log shurUAtame.n the. phir dhIre-dhIre baDhane lage. pratham chAturmAsame.n hI boTAdase bahut log Aye. phir dhIre-dhIre baDhate gaye. phir hameshA rahane vAle to kam the. us kamareme.n..

mumukShuH- dhIre-dhIre boliye, lagAtAr mat boliye.

samAdhAnaH- phir log baDhe to hIrAbhAIke dAlAname.n paDhate the. utane.n samA jAte the. utaneme.n gurudev kahate the, yahA.N shA.nti hai. vahA.N sab shAstra bahut paDhate the. lekin sthAnakavAsIke akhabArame.n to bahut AtA thA. muhapattikA parivartan kiyA, sthAnakavAsI sa.npradAy ChoDA, kitanA kuCh akhabar to AtA hI rahatA thA.

mumukShuH- gurudev chAritrAshramame.n rahe the?

samAdhAnaH- chAritrAshramame.n nahI.n rahe hai.n. vahA.N nahI.n rahe. vahA.N to gurudevako nima.ntraN de, aisA koI mahAvIr jaya.nti AdikA prasa.ng ho to us vakta gurudevako nima.ntraN de ki vahA.N padhAre, isaliye gurudev vahA.N jAte the. bAkI vahA.N rahe nahI.n hai. unakA koI bhakti AdikA kAryakram hotA thA, tab nima.ntraN dete the. isaliye gurudev vahA.N jAte the. bAkI vahA.N rahe nahI.n.

mumukShuH- vahA.N pravachan dete the?

samAdhAnaH- gurukulame.n. .. ki hajAro.nkI janasa.nkhyAme.n jo si.nh dahADatA thA, vah sonagaDhake ChoTe ekAnta sthAname.n baiThe-baiThe svAdhyAy karate the.

mumukShuH- a.ntarakI kitanI nispR^ihatA! bAharame.n itanA sanmAn ho, lekin mujhe mere AtmAkA karanA hai, is ek hI (dhyey) par pUrA..

samAdhAnaH- pUrA pheraphAr kar diyA. bAhar kuCh aur andar kuCh, aisA nahI.n. ChoD diyA.

mumukShuH- sthAnakavAsI vAle kahate the ki, Ap vah shAstra paDhiye.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, sthAnakavAsI vAlo.nne bahut kahA, unako rAjakoTame.n mAlUm paDA,

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prANajIvan mAstarane kahA, yahA.N hamAre sa.npradAyame.n rahIye. Apako jo paDhanA ho vah paDhiye. Apako ba.ngalA dete hai.n, Ap usame.n rahIe. gurudev kahate, nahI.n, mujhe nahI.n chAhiye. hamAre sthAnakavAsI sa.npradAyako dhakkA lagatA hai ki, yah galat hai. Apako jo karanA hai vah karIye. mujhe aisA nahI.n karanA. (kisIkI) ni.ndA nahI.n, rAg nahI.n.

phir to shurUAtame.n kitane hI samay tak gurudevane vihAr nahI.n kiyA. phir vihAr kare to virodh (kare). pahale ek bAr virodh nahI.n, lekin (sa.nvat) 1999kI sAlame.n to bahut virodh huA. haraek gA.Nvame.n gurudevake bhakta A jAte the, jahA.N svAgat hone vAlA ho. chAro.n orase A jAte the. utanA virodha. ek punamacha.ndajI mahArAj the, vah sAth-sAth rahate the aur gurudeva. gurudev jahA.N AhAr lene jAye, vahA.N dUsarI galIme.n ve AhAr lene jAye. gurudevake sAth bhakto.nkA jhu.nD aur svAgatame.n ek or unakA svAgat aur ek or ye svAgata. utanA virodh thA. para.ntu gurudevakA to U.NchA hI thA. unake svAgatame.n bahut log Ate the. AhAr lene padhAre us samay bhI utane hI loga. unake sAth khAs koI nahI.n thA, parantu pratyek gA.Nvame.n Ate the, jahA.N gurudev jAe vahA.N Ate the. sAth-sAth vyAkhyAn rakhe. lekin sthAnakavAsIkA virodh maryAdit thA. maryAdA ChoDakar virodh nahI.n kiyA.

mumukShuH- bahinashrI! gurudevakA dravya tIrtha.nkar dravya hai, aisA usI samay Apako bhanak lag gayI thI? khyAl A gayA thA?

samAdhAnaH- us vakta to.. jabatak khyAlame.n nahI.n thA, tabatak kuCh nahI.n. gurudev bAhar nahI.n bolate the ki, mujhe hR^idayame.n aisA AtA hai ki mai.n tIrtha.nkar hone vAlA hU.N. gurudev bhI nahI.n bolate the. gurudev sa.npradAyame.n the. aur yahA.N hIrAbhAIke ba.ngaleme.n Akar svaya.n bAhar kuCh nahI.n bolate the. mujhe kuCh mAlUm nahI.n thA ki gurudev aisA kuCh kahate hai.n. aur mujhe svaya.nko aisA lagatA thA ki koI mahApuruSh hai. aisA hotA thA, lekin yah tIrtha.nkar dravya hai, aisA us vakta nahI.n AyA thA. lekin AtmAme.n lInatA karate hai.n, aisA lagatA thA ki gurudevako kahI.n dekhA hai. aisA hotA thA. gurudev tIrtha.nkar hone vAle hai.n, aisA nahI.n AyA thA. gurudevako kahI.n dekhA hai, aisA hotA thA.

surat the tab hi.nmatabhAIko kahatI thI, mai.nne gurudevako kahI.n dekhA hai. kahA.N dekhA hai, kuCh mAlUm nahI.n thA. tIrtha.nkarakA nahI.n AyA thA. vah to jab andar AyA tab ekadam AyA, ye tIrtha.nkar hone vAle hai.n. aisA ekadam kaise Aye? ye to mahApuruSh hai.n, aisA lagatA thA. samavasaraN Adi, sthAnakavAsIme.n samavasaraN kaisA mAnate hai.n? tIn gaDh mAnate haiai.n, aisA sab mAnate hai.n. us vakta shurUAtame.n to tattvake shAstra paDhate the. koI purAN Adi nahI.n paDhA thA. samavasaraName.n aise vR^ikSha hote hai.n yA aisA hotA hai,

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aisA kuCh paDh nahI.n thA. vah sab to andarase AyA hai.

(sa.nvat) 1993-94me.n to shAstra hI paDhate the. samayasAr, pravachanasAr Adi paDhate the. purAN us vakta nahI.n paDhe the, bAdame.n sab paDhe. gurudev tIrtha.nkar hone vAle hai.n, aisA gurudev kahate bhI nahI.n the. mujhe AyA tab mai.nne gurudevako kahA. mujhe aisA lagatA thA ki mai.n gurudevako kahatI hU.N to gurudevako kyA lagegA? mujhe kuCh mAlUm nahI.n thA ki gurudev mAnate hai.n. mujhe mAlUm nahI.n thA.

mumukShuH- bAdame.n gurudevane spaShTa kiyA ki mujhe..

samAdhAnaH- bAdame.n spaShTa kahA, gurudev svaya.nkA hR^iday kahate hai.n, mujhe kuCh mAlUm nahI.n thA. gurudev to vichAr karake mAne, mujhe aisA kahate-kahate Dar lagatA thA ki gurudev kyA kahe.nge, Ap mujhe ye kyA kahate ho? gurudev mAn le.nge, aisA nahI.n thA. gurudevako to a.ntarase AyA thA isaliye gurudevako to ekadam pramod huA.

mumukShuH- unako AbhAs hotA thA, usakI dR^iDhatA ho gayI, jab Apane bAt kI taba.

samAdhAnaH- bahut samayase, mai.n tIrtha.nkar hU.N, (aisA lagatA hai).

mumukShuH- us vakta hI sAthame.n samavasaraNakI rachanA AdikA khyAl AyA?

samAdhAnaH- sab sAthame.n AyA. bahut kahatI nahI.n hU.N, thoDA kahA hai.

mumukShuH- AjakA ma.ngal din hai. Apake mukhase jitanA sunanA milatA hai, vah sab AshcharyakArI lagatA hai.

samAdhAnaH- gurudev tIrtha.nkar hone vAle hai.n, usakA mujhe svaya.nko Ashcharya lagA ki mujhe ye kyA AyA? mujhe bhI mAlUm nahI.n thA.

mumukShuH- gurudevako kaisA pramod AyA hogA.

samAdhAnaH- tIrtha.nkar bhagavAnakA nAm Aye ... unakA svaya.nkA hR^iday bolatA thA. pravachaname.n A jAye, trilokInAthane TIkA lagAyA, aisA bolate the. ye to mahAbhAgyakI bAt hai, aisA bolate the. trilokInAthane TIkA lagAyA, isase visheSh kyA chAhiye? gurudevako pramod A gayA thA.

mumukShuH- ham logo.nko sunanese kitanA pramod AtA hai. Apane kahA isaliye gurudevako lagA, trilokInAthane TIkA lagAyA.

samAdhAnaH- vah to aspaShTa bolate the, kisIko samajhame.n Aye aise nahI.n bolate the. gurudev jAhir nahI.n karate the.

mumukShuH- Apane jo khyAl AyA, isaliye aisA lagA ki aisA bhAv huA. mumukShuH- gurudevake dIkShA leneke bAd do sAl bAd kuCh pratibhAs huA thA?

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samAdhAnaH- unako svapna AyA thA. aisA kahate the, is kShetrakA sharIr nahI.n, sharIr alag (thA), aisA kahate the. rAjakumArakA. spaShTa svapna AyA thA. rAjakumArakA veSh thA aur mai.n rAjakumAr hU.N.

mumukShuH- vahA.N rAjakumAr the, isaliye mudrA bhI ...

samAdhAnaH- mujhe yah bhI mAlUm nahI.n thA ki gurudevako svapna AyA hai, ye mujhe nahI.n mAlUm nahI.n thA. sab gurudevane bAdame.n kahA.

mumukShuH- mel khA gayA. vahA.N rAjakumAr the to vahA.N bhI mudrA pratibhAshAlI hogI na?

samAdhAnaH- vah to vaisI hI hogI na. gurudev tIrtha.nkarakA dravya, rAjakumAr aur Uparase tIrtha.nkarakA dravya, isaliye pratApashAlI hI hogI na. jaldI svIkAre nahI.n. svaya.n to kitanA vichAr karake tattvakA nirNay karate the, mArgakA kitanA vichAr karake unho.nne nirNay kiyA. koI kahe isaliye mAn jAye aise nahI.n the. svaya.nko a.ntarase lage to mAne.

mumukShuH- gurudevakI prakR^itime.n vah bAt nahI.n thI ki kisIkA mAn le.

samAdhAnaH- mAn le aise the hI nahI.n. kitane nispR^ih the, kisIkA mAne kyA? a.ntarase Aye to hI mAne.

mumukShuH- Apane bhI kab kahA, ki Apako bhI jab pakkA bharosA honeke bAd hI Apane kahA.

samAdhAnaH- kitanA pakkA ho to hI bAharame.n bol sakate hai.n. gurudevake pAs kahanA vah koI jaisI-taisI bAt nahI.n thI.

mumukShuH- aur yah bhI koI sAdhAraN bAt nahI.n thI. bole to bhI aisA lage ye kyA bolate hai.n?

samAdhAnaH- gurudevako kahU.N kaise? gurudev kahI.n aisA kahe.nge ki, Ap bahut mahimA karate ho. aisA kahe.nge to? aisA hotA thA. gurudevako kahanA vah to... kitanI utanI shakti aur mahApuruSha. bolate samay aisA lage ki gurudevako kahanA yAnI kyA! kitanA pakkA ho tabhI kah sakate hai.n.

mumukShuH- bAt aTal ho to hI Ap karo na, nahI.n to Ap nahI.n karate.

samAdhAnaH- andar pakkA ho to hI bol sakate hai.n, nahI.n to bole hI nahI.n.

mumukShuH- ApakI prakR^iti to ekadam nahI.n bolanekI prakR^iti hai.

samAdhAnaH- jo bhI ho, apane AtmAke prayojanase yahA.N Aye ho to binA vichAr kiye kyA bolanA?

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mumukShuH- samay A gayA hai, vah DAyarI prakAshit karo to achChA.

samAdhAnaH- sab sa.nkShepame.n kah diyA.

mumukShuH- ab to samay A gayA hai. Apane kahA thA na, dravya-kShetra-kAl- bhAv dekhakar kare.nge.

samAdhAnaH- kAl kyA hai? mAhol kaisA ho gayA hai?

mumukShuH- yahA.NkA mAhol to bahut achChA ho gayA hai. sab shAnta ho jAtA hai.

samAdhAnaH- gurudevane jAhir kar diyA hai. jo-jo kahane jaisA thA, vah sab gurudev sabako kahate hI the.

mumukShuH- gurudev aisA pharamAte the ki merI thoDI-thoDI bAt kare aur unakI koI bAt nahI.n karate, aisA gurudev kahate the.

samAdhAnaH- apane liye kyA kahanA? apane to gurudevakI prabhAvanA... gurudev mahApuruSh hai.n, unako kahanI rahatI hai, mai.n kyA bolU.N?

mumukShuH- vahA.N samavasaraName.n munio.nkA samUh ho aur aisI bhAvanA ho, bhAte ho, aisA hotA hai... aisA kuCha.

mumukShuH- gurudev yah kahate the ki jo kahate hai.n, vah to bahut thoDA kahate hai.n, andar to bahut hai.

samAdhAnaH- po.ninTa-po.ninTa gurudev kahate the. .. tab samavasaraName.n padhAre the. samavasaraN hotA hai.. Adi.

mumukShuH- nAraNabhAI gurudevako ek bAr subah kahate the, ki ham log munio.nke sAth, kundakundAchAryake sAth charchA karate the. us vakta ham chAro.n or khaDe the.

samAdhAnaH- kundakundAchArya padhAre...