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samAdhAnaH- .. man-se ho aisA nahI.n hai, sa.nvar to sahaj hai. jisakI sahaj dashA hai use sahaj sa.nvar hI hai. manako rokanA, manako rokanA vah to vyavahAr-se paribhAShA hai. andar sa.nvarasvarUp jo svaya.n pariNamit ho gayA hai, bhedaj~nAnarUp, use sahaj sa.nvar hI hai. vigrahagatime.n jo samyagdarshan lekar jAy to use jo sahaj bhedaj~nAn hai, use manake sAth sambandha hotA hai, aisA to kuCh nahI.n hai. isaliye use sa.nvar to sAthame.n hotA hai. ... sa.nvar to hotA hai. sa.nvar to vigrahagatime.n hotA hai. munio.nko visheSh sa.nvar (hotA hai). chAritra apekShA-se sa.nvarakI bAt hai. gupti-se sa.nvar hotA hai.

mumukShuH- ... AnandakA anubhav kyA hogA? phir ATh hI din vahA.N par kyo.n rahe?

samAdhAnaH- ATh din use to bhagavAn mil gaye. unakA sharIr alag, videhakShetrakA sharIr alag, vahA.N-ke sa.nyog alag, unakI munidashA, munidashA to a.ntarame.n-se pAlanI hai, parantu unakA sharIr kitanA? pA.Nchasau dhanuShakA sharIr, vahA.N mahAvideh kShetrame.n kitane baDe sharIr hote hai.n. un sabake sAth.. munidashA pAlanI vah sab mel (nahI.n baiThatA). ATh din-se jyAdA rah nahI.n sake. dev hI unhe.n vApas yahA.N ChoD gaye, aisA kahA jAtA hai.

chAritradashA andar munidashA hai na. jyAdA rahanA mushkipal hai, AhAr-pAnIkI dikkat ho jAya. ek bAlak jaise dikhe. itane baDe sharIr hote hai.n. muni hai.n, andarame.n ChaThave.n- sAtave.n guNasthAname.n jhulate hai.n. pa.nch mahAvratakA pAlan karanA, sab dikkat hotI hai. munidashAke yogya,.. vahA.NkA AhAr hajam honA hI mushkil paDe, aise sharIravAleko.

mumukShuH- sa.nvar, nirjarA aur mokShako paryAy bolA hai. to paryAy bolA hai to AtmA to shuddha trikAlI dhruv svabhAv jo hai, vah to muktirUp-svarUp hI hai, to usako paryAyakI apekShA-se sa.nvar, nirjarA, mokSha kahaneme.n AtA hai?

samAdhAnaH- shuddhAtmA to dravyadR^iShTi-se dekho to shuddhAtmA to anAdiananta mokShasvarUp- muktasvarUp hai. usame.n sa.nvar, nirjarA sAdhakakI paryAy kahanI vah vyavahAr hai. parantu vah usakI paryAy hai. kyo.nki sa.nvar, nirjarA sab sAdhakakI paryAy hai. usame.n pahale sa.nvar

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samyagdarshanarUp hotA hai, phir chAritradashA AtI hai. usame.n visheSh nirjarA hotI hai. pahale amuk nirjarA hotI hai, visheSh nirjarA munidashAme.n hotI hai. vah sab paryAy hai.

parantu dravya apekShA-se shuddhAtmA anAdi (muktasvarUp hI hai). aisA dravya aur paryAy dono.n vastukA svabhAv hI hai. jo pragaT paryAy hotI hai muktikI, use paryAy kahate hai.n. aur anAdiananta dravya to muktasvarUp hai. muktasvarUp dravya hai, parantu vedan nahI.n hai. usakA svaya.nko svAnubhUtikA vedan nahI.n hai, paryAy pragaT nahI.n huyI hai. dravya to shuddha hai, dravyame.n kahI.n ashuddhatAkA pravesh nahI.n huA hai. dravya to shuddha hai. parantu paryAyakA vedan nahI.n hai. svAnubhUtikA vedan kahA.N hai? paryAy pragaT hue binA vedan nahI.n hotA. isaliye jab usakI svAnubhUtikI dashA pragaT hotI hai, svAnubhUtikA vedan hotA hai.

vah svAnubhUti visheSh baDhane par vItarAgatA hotI hai isaliye use pUrNa vedan hotA hai. vah pragaT mukta dashA hai. ye shaktirUp mukta dashA hai. vah vyaktirUp muktadashA hai. isaliye dravya aur paryAyakA mel hai. dravya aur paryAy vastukA svarUp hai. isaliye shuddha paryAy nahI.n hai, tabatak vedan nahI.n hai. shuddhaparyAy pragaT huyI, isaliye use svAnubhUti, vItarAgadashAkA vedan hotA hai. isaliye vah pragaT mukta dashA hai, yah shaktirUp mukta dashA hai.

samAdhAnaH- .. us vakta yahA.N sajAvaT Adi kI thI, svAdhyAy mandirame.n bahut sundar thA. gurudevakA jIvan-darshan, gurudevake charaN, sab bahut achChA lagatA thA. vahA.N dekhane gayI to vah sab sajAvaT dekhakar aisA lagA ki gurudev yahA.N virAjate ho to ye sab shobhe. aise vichAr Ate the, bhAvanA hotI rahI. us din ghar Akar pUrI rAt aisA huA, gurudev padhAro, padhAro aisA bhAvanAme.n rahA. phir prAtaHkAlame.n aisA svapna AyA ki gurudev devalokame.n-se devake rUpame.n padhAre. sab devakA hI rUp thA. jharIke vastra, hAr ratnake, ratnake vastra the.

gurudevane kahA ki aisA kuCh nahI.n rakhanA, bahin! mai.n to yahI.n hU.N. mai.n yahI hU.N, aisA do-tIn bAr kahA. Ap yahA.N ho aise ApakI Aj~nA-se mAn le.n, parantu ye sab duHkhI ho rahe hai.n. usakA kyA? gurudev to maun rahe. svapna to itanA hI thA. parantu us vakta sabako itanA ullAs thA ki mAno.n gurudev virAjate ho.n aur utsav hotA ho, aisA thA. gurudev devake rUpame.n padhAre. aisA svapna thA. pahachAne jAte the, gurudev devake rUpame.n bhI guurudev hI hai, aisA pahachAnA jAtA thA.

mumukShuH- mukh gurudevakA?

samAdhAnaH- mukh devakA thA. parantu pahachAn ho jAy ki gurudev dev hue hai.n aur devake rUpame.n padhAre hai.n. aisA kuCh nahI.n rakhanA, bahin! mai.n to yahI.n hU.N, yahI.n hU.N, yahI.n hU.N. aisA tIn bAr kahA. devame.n to aisI shakti hotI hai ki jahA.N jAnA ho vahA.N

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jA sakate hai.n. parantu yah pa.nchamakAl hai isaliye kuCh dikhatA nahI.n hai. manuShya kahI.n jA nahI.n sakate hai.n, parantu dev to jA sakate hai.n.

dev to bhagavAnakA darshan karane, vANI sunane, bhagavAnakA kalyANak jahA.N hote ho.n vahA.N dev jAte hai.n. jahA.N pratimAe.N, mandir ho.n vahA.N darshan karane (jAte hai.n). shAshvat pratimA hai, vahA.N darshan karane jAte hai.n.

mumukShuH- mAtAjI! sAkShAt padhAre ho to bhI Apako svapna lage aur sAkShAt padhAre ho, aisA bhI ho sakatA hai na.

samAdhAnaH- apaneko to svapna lage. gurudev to...

mumukShuH- sAkShAt padhAre.

samAdhAnaH- devake ratnamay vastra thA, aise the.

mumukShuH- vAtAvaraN to aisA ho gayA thA ki mAno.n gurudev sAkShAt padhAre ho.

samAdhAnaH- vAtAvaraN to aisA ho gayA thA. us din dUj thI, parantu sabakA ullAs aisA thA.

mumukShuH- khAs to Apako virahakA vedan huA aur usI rAt gurudev sAkShAt padhAre.

samAdhAnaH- gurudev to maujUd hI hai, kShetra-se dUr hai. sharIr badal gayA, bAkI gurudev to gurudev aur unakA AtmA to maujUd hI hai. devame.n hai.

samAdhAnaH- bahut sunA hai vah karanA hai. AtmAkI pahachAn kaise ho? ye sharIr.. Atmatattva ek a.ntarame.n bhinna hai. jo j~nAnase bharA hai, jisame.n Ananda bharA hai, ananta u guN bhare hai.n, aisA AtmA hai. usakI mahimA, usakI lagan lagAne jaisA hai. usake liye usakA vA.nchan, vichAr sab vahI karanA hai. usakI apUrvatA lAkara. bAkI rUDhigatarUp- se jIvane bahut bAr sab kiyA, parantu kuCh apUrvatA nahI.n lagI. kuCh apUrva karanA hai. is prakAr usakI lagan lagAkar, usakA vA.nchan, vichAr, abhyAs karane jaisA hai.

bAkI AtmA, ek AtmAko lakShyame.n rakhakar, AtmA par dR^iShTi karake, use pahachAnakar sab AtmAme.n-se pragaT hotA hai. AtmA hI ananta nidhi-se bharA hai. jo bhI pragaT hotA hai vah AtmAke Ashray-se pragaT hotA hai. j~nAn, darshan, chAritrasab AtmAke Ashray- se pragaT hotA hai. use bAhar-se nimitta dev-guru-shAstra hote hai.n. bhagavAn mArga batAye. gurudevane is pa.nchamakAlame.n mArga batAyA. nimittame.n mArga batAnevAle hote hai.n, karanA svaya.nko hai. shAstrame.n vah sab hai, parantu shAstrakA rahasya bhI gurudevane kholA hai.

mumukShuH- kahI.n na kahA.n mAtAjI! aTak jAte hai.n. ApakI tarah dhArAvAhI .. nahI.n hotA, ..

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samAdhAnaH- utanI svaya.nkI mandatA hai. jIvako kahI.n-kahI.n sa.ntoSh ho jAtA hai. isalaye Age nahI.n baDh sakatA.

mumukShuH- Age kaise baDhanA?

samAdhAnaH- jabatak Age nahI.n baDhatA, tabatak usIme.n usIkA abhyAs karanA. usakA abhyAs karate-karate tIvratA hotI hai tab vah Age jAtA hai.

samAdhAnaH- gurudevane to bahut spaShTa kar-karake mArga sUkShma-sUkShma rIt-se samajhAyA hai. koI apUrva bAt samajhAyI hai. sab bAhar-se dharma hotA hai, aisA mAnate the. shubhabhAv- se, bAhya kriyA karane-se dharma hotA hai, aisA mAnate the.

gurudevane a.ntar dR^iShTi batAyI. dharma a.ntarame.n rahA hai. a.ntarame.n AtmAko pahachAne. AtmA kis svabhAvarUp hai? AtmAkA svarUp kyA? AtmAke dravya-guN-paryAy kyA hai? ye vibhAv kyA? ye paradravya kyA hai? pudagalake dravya-guN-paryAy, AtmAke dravya-guN-paryAy, use yathArtha pahichAne. aur sharIr-se bhinna, vibhAvasvabhAv apanA nahI.n hai, usase svaya.nko bhinna kare. bhinna karake a.ntar AtmA ek apUrva anupam vastu hai, use pahichAnanekA prayatna kare. to usame.n-se hI dharma rahA hai.

dharma andar AtmAme.n hai. bAhar-se dev-guru-shAstrakI mahimA, shubhabhAv Aye usase puNya ba.NdhatA hai. parantu andar shuddhAtmAme.n dharma rahA hai. aur us shuddhAtmAke dhyeyapUrvak shubhabhAvame.n jinendra dev, guru, shAstra unakI mahimA Aye, chi.ntavan kare, shAstra abhyAs kare. aisA sab kare. parantu ek AtmAkA dhyey honA chAhiye ki mujhe shuddhAtmAkI pahachAn kaise ho? AtmA kaise bhinna paDe? anAdikA bhinna hai, parantu vah pariNati-se kaise nyArA ho? vah kaise ho? usakI lagan, usakI mahimA laganI chAhiye. bAkI sa.nsAr to aise hI anAdikA chalatA hai.

gR^ihasthAshramame.n rahakar bhI AtmAkI ruchi ho, AtmA koI apUrva hai, usakI anupamatA lage to vahI karanA hai. gurudevane koI apUrva mArga batAyA hai. unakI vANI koI apUrva thI, unakA AtmA apUrva thA. unho.nne alag prakAr-se sabako dR^iShTi dI hai aur mArga batAyA hai. karanekA vahI hai.

mumukShuH- hame.n ye shubhabhAv yAtrAke bhAv Aye, ApakA darshanakA bhAv Aye, gurudev pratye ananya bhakti Ave. vah to Ate hI hai.n.

samAdhAnaH- shubhabhAv to Aye.nge. shubhabhAv to Aye, parantu dhyey shuddhAtmAkA honA chAhiye. shubhabhAv to jij~nAsAkI bhUmikAme.n Ave. samyagdR^iShTiko shubhabhAv Ate hai.n, munio.nko shubhabhAv Ate hai.n. parantu samyagdR^iShTiko andar bhedaj~nAn hotA hai ki shubhabhAv aur AtmA bhinna hai. usakI j~nAyakakI pariNati bhinna rahatI hai. munio.nko shubhabhAv Ate hai.n. ve

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to shAstra rachate hai.n, bhagavAnake darshan karate hai.n. munio.nko bhI shubhabhAv Ate hai.n. parantu ve to ChaThave.n-sAtave.n guNasthAname.n jhulate hue AtmAkI svAnubhUti pratikShaN karate hai.n. aur samyagdR^iShTiko shubhabhAv Ave to (use) bhedaj~nAnakI dhArA vartatI hai aur svAnubhUti use bhI hotI hai.

jij~nAsAkI bhUmikAme.n bhI shubhabhAv Ate hai.n. jinendra devakI bhakti, gurukI bhakti, shAstra svAdhyAy Adi to hotA hai. parantu dhyey ek AtmAkA honA chAhiye. ye sab hotA hai, parantu puNyabandha hai. usase AtmAkA svarUp bhinna hai. yah dhyey honA chAhiye. parantu vah nahI.n ho tabatak sAthame.n to hotA hI hai. shubhabhAv to shuddhAtmAme.n pUrNarUp- se sthir na ho jAy, tabatak shubhabhAv hote hai.n. parantu use shraddhA aisI yathArtha honI chAhiye ki merA AtmA in sab bhAvo.n-se bhinna hai. ye sab bhAv AkulatArUp hai.n, mai.n shuddhAtmA bhinna hU.N. aisI shraddhA honI chAhiye.

munio.n aur AchAyAko bhI bhagavAnakI bhakti AtI hai. stotrakI rachanA karate hai.n, shAstrakI rachanA karate hai.n. vah sab hotA hai. gR^ihasthAshramame.n ho vahA.N ashubhabhAv-se bachaneko shubhabhAv to Ate hai.n. parantu dhyey ek AtmAkA honA chAhiye-shuddhAtmAkA.

gurudevane jo sAdhanA kI, bhagavAnane jo pUrNa svarUp prApti kiyA, shAstrame.n jo vastukA svarUp koI apUrva rIt-se AtA hai, usakA vichAr, vA.nchan sab honA chAhiye.

mumukShuH- hamArA dhyey to AtmA hai. parantu prApta karaneke liye koI saral vidhi? koI visheSh?

samAdhAnaH- usakI saral vidhi to usakA dhyey honA chAhiye. a.ntarame.n usakI laganI, mahimA, puruShArtha, bAra.nbAr usakA abhyAs honA chAhiye. vah na ho tabatak dev- guru-shAstrakI mahimA, vah sab hotA hai. parantu use bAra.nbAr puruShArtha, abhyAs honA chAhiye. AtmA kaise prApta ho? usakI laganI, mahimA, khaTak (lage). bAharame.n kahI.n use ruchi yA ras a.ntarame.n tanmayapane AtA nahI.n. andarame.n AtmA jise mahimArUp lage, bAharame.n kahI.n mahimA na lage. bAhar use mahimA nahI.n AtI. a.ntar AtmAme.n hI koI apUrvatA hai, aisI use shraddhA honI chAhiye.

(gurudevane spaShTa karake) batA diyA hai, kahI.n bhUl na paDe aisA. taiyArI svaya.nko karanI hai, puruShArtha svaya.nko karanA hai. bAra.nbAr usIkA abhyAs, usIkA raTan, usakA manan karanA hai.

samAdhAnaH- .. pahale-se sAtave.n-se ekadam jor-se chaDhate hai.n, parantu kShay karate hue nahI.n chaDhate hai.n. ekadam vItarAg dashA ho jAtI hai. parantu DhakA ho aisA. phir vah sAtaveme.n A jAte hai.n. koI chautheme.n A jAya. aise Ate hai.n. parantu ve chaDh jAte hai.n.

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upashA.nta.

jise samyagdarshan hai, jo ChaThave.n-sAtave.n guNasthAname.n jhulate hai.n, vAstavik bhAvali.ngIkI dashA hai, us vakta bhale upashA.nt shreNi huyI, parantu vah to keval lenevAle hai.n, avashya. bhale ek bAr upasham shreNi ho gayI, bAdame.n bhI koI bAr kShapakashreNi chaDhakar kevalaj~nAn avashya use honevAlA hai. ChaThave.n-sAtave.n guNasthAname.n bhAvali.ngI munidashA hai to kShapakashreNI to hotI hai. us bhavame.n yA dUsare bhavame.n kShapaN shreNI to hotI hai. jisako bhAvali.ngIkI dashA hai, bhItarame.n munidashA hai, ChaThave.n-sAtave.nme.n svAnubhUti a.ntarmuhUrta-a.ntarmuhUrtame.n jAte hai.n, a.ntarmuhUrtame.n bAhar Ate hai.n, aisI svAnubhUtikI dashA pragaT ho gayI. usako avashya kevalaj~nAn honevAlA hai. jisako samyagdarshan huA, usako bhI avashya kevalaj~nAn honevAlA hai. aur munidashA yathArtha huyI usako bhI avashya kevalaj~nAn honevAlA hai. vItarAg dashA honevAlI hai. usakA aisA puruShArtha avashya-avashya pragaT hotA hai. usakI pariNatikI dashA svarUp or chalI gayI hai, j~nAyakakI dhArA hai aur vah to munidashA hai, svarUpame.n lInatA bahut baDh gayI hai. avashya vItarAg dashA hotI hai, kevalaj~nAn hotA hai.

mumukShuH- mukhyapane to kShapakashreNI hI hotI hai na? upasham shreNI to koI-koIko hotI hai.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, koI-koIko hotI hai.

mumukShuH- .. j~nAyak hU.N, aisA khaNDa paDatA hai. kartA-hartA nahI.n hai, mai.n to svaya.nsiddha apane-se hI hU.N.

samAdhAnaH- mai.n j~nAtA hU.N, dR^iShTA hU.N ye sab guNo.nkA bhed paDatA hai.

mumukShuH- vikalpa A jAtA hai.

samAdhAnaH- vikalpa guNo.nkA bhed hai. parantu dR^iShTi to jo j~nAyak hU.N so hU.N, merA astitva, j~nAyakakA astitva grahaN kar liyA hai, basa. phir vah to jAnaneke liye hai ki mai.n j~nAn hU.N, darshan hU.N, chAritra hU.N, ye sab vikalpa hai. vikalpakI dashA jabatak nirvikalpa dashA pUrNa nahI.n hai, tabatak vikalpakI dashA to hai, parantu dR^iShTi chaitanya par sthApit hai. usakI dR^iShTi akhaNDa rahatI hai. samyagdR^iShTikI dR^iShTi chaitanya par jamI hai.

mumukShuH- ...

samAdhAnaH- phir lInatA hotI hai. sthiratA bAdame.n hotI hai. pahale yathArtha dR^iShTi hove, bhedaj~nAnakI dhArA hove, mai.n j~nAyak j~nAyak hU.N. usame.n svAnubhUti hove samyagdarshaname.n, visheSh lInatA bAdame.n hotI hai.

jij~nAsuko to pahale dR^iShTi yathArtha karanI chAhiye. mai.n chaitanya j~nAyak hI hU.N. jo hU.N so hU.N. vikalpakA bhed vah mai.n nahI.n hU.N. nirvikalpa tattva mai.n hU.N. aisA usakA nirNay

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karake dR^iShTi chaitanya par sthApanI chAhiye. vikalpakA bhed to jAnaneke sab AtA hai. parantu dR^iShTi to chaitanya par honI chAhiye.

... to dR^iShTi ChUTe. bAharame.n jisako mahatva lage, usakI dR^iShTi bhItarame.n chipakatI nahI.n. bhItarame.n mahatva lage to dR^iShTi vahA.N chipake.

mumukShuH- abhI kar lene jaisA hai. deh ChUTaneke bAt to kahA.N...

samAdhAnaH- bAharame.n sab dharma mAn baiThe the.

mumukShuH- gR^ihIt mithyAtvame.n dharma mAnate the.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, usame.n mAnate the. usakA artha bhItarame.n-se khol-kholakar gurudevane bahut batAyA hai. sUkShma-sUkShma karake. koI jAnatA hI nahI.n thA. pa.nchAstikAyakA artha kaun kar sakatA thA?

mumukShuH- samayasArake liye to bolate the ki vah to muniyo.nkA grantha hai, gR^ihastho.nkA hai hI nahI.n.

samAdhAnaH- gR^ihastho.nkA hai hI nahI.n aisA kahate the.