Benshreeni Amrut Vani Part 2 Transcripts-Hindi (itrans transliteration). Track: 280.

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samAdhAnaH- ruchi badale to upayog badale. ruchi ho to hI upayog bAhar jAtA ho vah (andar AtA hai). ruchi badalanI. sab asAr hai. sArabhUt tattva ho to ek chaitanya hI hai. sArabhUt tattvako grahaN karanekI ruchi utpanna ho to upayog palaTatA hai. ananta kAl-se sab kiyA hai bAharakA, parantu a.ntarame.n dR^iShTi nahI.n kI hai. a.ntar dR^iShTi kare, a.ntarakI ruchi kare to hI upayog apanI or jAtA hai.

mumukShuH- usake pahale sirpha pApame.n paDe ho to kaShAyakI mandatA karanI, aisA hotA hai yA sIdhI ruchi palaT jAtI hai?

samAdhAnaH- ruchi palaTe to hI kaShAyakI mandatA hotI hai. kaShAyakI mandatA to bIchame.n (ho jAtI hai). jise AtmA taraphakI ruchi ho, use tIvra kaShAy nahI.n hote. usake kaShAy manda paD jAte hai.n. use jo andar AtmA taraph ruchi jAge, use sarva kaShAy, rAg-dveSh AkulatA sab phikA paD jAtA hai.

jise a.ntarakI ruchi nahI.n hai, vah bAhar-se kaShAy kadAchit manda kare yA yah achChA nahI.n hai, ye hitarUp nahI.n hai, aise oghe oghe kare, kaShAy phike paDe aisA to jIvane ananta kAlame.n bahut kiyA hai. shubhabhAv kiye hai.n. kaShAy phike kiye, tyAg kiyA, upavAs kiye, munipanA liyA. sab AtmAke lakShya vihIn bahut kriyAe.N kI, shubhabhAv kiye, sab kiyA, parantu vah sab binA ek a.nkake shUnya jaisA huA hai. kyo.nki AtmA kyA hai, us taraphakI ruchi binA kaShAy manda kare to use kahI.n dharmakA lAbh yA svabhAv pragaT nahI.n hotA. mAtra ba.NdhatA hai, puNya-se devalok mile. to devalok-se kahI.n bhavakA abhAv nahI.n hotA. vaise devake bhav jIvane ananta kiye hai.n. usame.n kahI.n AtmA nahI.n hai. devalokame.n bhI AkulatA hai.

isaliye samajhe binA kaShAy manda karanA, (usase) puNyabandha hotA hai. usame.n-se kahI.n AtmAkI prApti nahI.n hotI. AtmAkI prApti to svabhAvake lakShya-se mai.n kaun hU.N? merA kyA svarUp hai? dharma kahA.N rahA hai? vah sab vichAr karake nirNay kare, a.ntarakI ruchi kare to dharma hotA hai. bAharake kaShAy mAtra manda karane-se dharma hotA nahI.n. aisA to jIvane ananta kAlame.n kaShAy manda kiye, tyAg kiyA, sab bahut kiyA hai. isame.n sukh


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nahI.n hai, yah hit nahI.n hai, yah dharma nahI.n hai, aisA karake kaShAy phike kiye.

jise AtmAkI ruchi ho usake kaShAy sahaj hI phike paD jAte hai.n. jise AtmA hI ruchatA hai, dUsarA kuCh ruchatA nahI.n, AtmA hI jise iShTa hai, use bAhya kaShAy sukharUp nahI.n lagate. vah to use phik paD hI jAte hai.n. jo AtmArthI huA, jise AtmAkA prayojan hai use kaShAyo.nme.n.n tIvratA nahI.n rahatI, mandatA ho jAtI hai. vah usase pIChe haT jAtA hai.

mumukShuH- arthAt pahale-se hI j~nAyakake lakShyakI shurUAt...?

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, j~nAyakake lakShya-se shurUAt hotI hai. vahI shurUAt hai. usame.n sab samA jAtA hai. ruchi, kaShAyakI mandatA, sab usame.n samA jAtA hai. j~nAyakake lakShya- se shurUAt karanI hai. mai.n kaun hU.N? mai.n tattva kaun hU.N? us tattvakA nirNay karanA. vichAr karake usakA nirNay kare. j~nAyakake lakShya binA ananta kAlame.n bahut kuCh kiyA, parantu mUl tattva grahaN kiye binA binA a.nkake shUnya jaisA huA. kisake liye karatA hU.N? chaitanyatattvakA astitva grahaN nahI.n kiyA, mAtra shubhabhAv hue hai.n.

.. lakShya kare to a.ntarame.n Ananda bharA hai. ananta j~nAn a.ntarame.n hai. svAnubhUti sab a.ntarame.n rahI hai. bhedaj~nAn kare. vikalpa TUTakar AtmA nirvikalpa tattva hai, usakI svAnubhUti a.ntar dR^iShTi karane-se hotI hai, bAhar-se nahI.n hotA. bAhar-se sab kiyA. sab raT liyA, paDh liyA, samajhe binA dhyAn kiyA, sab kiyA. parantu AtmAkA astitva grahaN kiye binAkA vah sab mAtra shubhabhAvarUp huA.

mumukShuH- bhedaj~nAn kaise karanA?

samAdhAnaH- bhedaj~nAn chaitanyako pahachAnane-se hotA hai. mai.n yah chaitanya (hU.N). apanA astitva grahaN kare ki mai.n yah j~nAyak j~nAnasvarUp AtmA hU.N. yah sab mujh-se bhinna hai. ye sharIr aur vibhAvabhAv jo a.ntarame.n bhAv hote hai.n, vah svabhAv bhI merA nahI.n hai, mai.n usase bhinna hU.N. aise j~nAyak, mai.n chaitanya j~nAyak hI hU.N, aisA nirNay karake usakA astitva grahaN kare. phir usakA abhyAs kare. pahale to abhyAsarUp hotA hai. sahaj dashA to bAdame.n hotI hai.

abhyAs kare ki mai.n j~nAyak hU.N. j~nAyakakI hI use mahimA Aye, bAkI sab mahimA ChUT jAya. j~nAyakame.n sab bharA hai. use anubhUtike pahale vah vedaname.n nahI.n AtA, parantu vah nirNay karatA hai ki j~nAyakame.n hI sab hai. j~nAn-j~nAyak padArtha pUrA mahimAva.nt hai. j~nAyakakA abhyAs kare ki mai.n sarvase bhinna, bhinna, bhinna aisA kShaN-kShaName.n usIkA abhyAs kare. to usame.n use bhedaj~nAn hotA hai. usakA abhyAs kare. aur shubhabhAvame.n sachche dev- guru aur shAstra use shubhabhAvanAme.n hote hai.n. a.ntarame.n j~nAyakakA bhedaj~nAn kaise ho? bAra.nbAr


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j~nAyakakA abhyAs kare. .. paradravyakA kyA? sab nakkI karake phir j~nAyakakA abhyAs kare.

mumukShuH- vastukA ba.ndhAraN samajhaneme.n kuCh kShati rah jAy to j~nAyakako pakaDanA mushkil paDe yA j~nAyakake jhukAvame.n vah kShati sudhar jAtI hai?

samAdhAnaH- usakI j~nAname.n bhUl ho to ... parantu ruchi yadi use barAbar ho ki mujhe j~nAyak hI grahaN karanA hai. vichAr karake bhI usakI j~nAname.n bhUl ho to j~nAnakI bhUl nikal jAtI hai, usakI ruchi yathArtha ho to.

mujhe chaitanya kyA padArtha hai, yah nakkI karanA hai. bAhar kahI.n use ruchi lage nahI.n, svabhAvakI hI ruchi lage. to vichAr karake j~nAname.n bhUl ho to bhI nikal jAtI hai, yadi use yathArtha lagan lagI ho to. j~nAname.n bhUl ho to nikal jAtI hai.

.. bAhar-se milegA, bAhar-se khojatA hai. a.ntarame.n sab hai. usakI use pratIti nahI.n hai, ruchi nahI.n hai, isaliye bAhar-se khojatA hai.

mumukShuH- ...

samAdhAnaH- (kyA) padArtha hai, kyA vastu hai? kisame.n dharma hai? kisame.n j~nAn hai? kisame.n darshan hai? samyagdarshan kisame.n hai? chAritra kisame.n hai? sab nakkI kare. chAritra mAtra bAhar-se nahI.n AtA. chAritra chaitanyake svabhAvame.n hai.

mumukShuH- chaitanyame.n yadi ruchi ho to Age baDhe.

samAdhAnaH- to Age baDhe. j~nAn, darshan, chAritra sab AtmAme.n bharA hai. bAhar to mAtra shubhabhAv hote hai.n. vah to puNyabandhakA kAraN hai. andar svabhAvame.n-se sab pragaT hotA hai, j~nAn, darshan, chAritra Adi saba.

samAdhAnaH- .. ruchi lagAne jaisI hai, puruShArtha vah karane jaisA hai, sab karane jaisA hai. parantu svaya.n bAharame.n ruk jAtA hai.

mumukShuH- AtmA prApta karane-se jo Ananda ho, usakA shabdame.n varNan ho sake aisA Ananda hai?

samAdhAnaH- shabdame.n varNan nahI.n hotA. AtmAkA svabhAvakA Ananda to anupam hai. use koI upamA lAgU nahI.n paDatI, jagatake koI padArthakI. kyo.nki ye bAharakA hai vah to rAgamishrit jaD padArtha najar Ate hai.n. AtmAkA jo svabhAv chaitanyamUrti, usame.n jo chaitanyakA Ananda hai aur chaitanyakA Ananda jo a.ntarame.n Ananda sAgar svataH svabhAv hI usakA bharA hai. us par dR^iShTi karake, usakA bhedaj~nAn vibhAv-se bhinna hokar, vikalpa ChUTakar andar jo nirvikalpa tattva pragaT ho, usakI koI upamA bAharame.n nahI.n hai. vah anupam hai. usakI koI upamA nahI.n hai.


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jagat-se jAtyA.ntar alag hI Ananda hai. usakI jAt kisIke sAth milatI nahI.n. koI devalokakA sukh yA chakravartIkA rAj yA kisIke sAth usakA mel nahI.n hai. vah sab vibhAvik hai, sab rAgamishrit hai. jisake sAth rAg rahA hai, usake sAth mel nahI.n hai. andar Uchchase Uchcha shubhabhAv ho to bhI vah shubhabhAv hai. shubhabhAvake sAth bhI usakA mel nahI.n hai. shubhabhAv-se bhI bhinna shuddhAtmA hai.

manda kaShAy ho. mai.n j~nAn hU.N, mai.n darshan hU.N, mai.n chAritra hU.N. pahale shurUAtame.n vah sab vikalpa Ate haiai.n, Atma svabhAvako pahichAnaneke liye, to bhI vah vikalpa mishrit jo rAg hai, usake sAth AtmAke AnandakA mel nahI.n hai. AtmAkA Ananda to usase alag hai.

mumukShuH- apane-se tirya.nchakA kuCh jyAdA puruShArtha hogA tabhI use anubhUti hotI hogI.

samAdhAnaH- us apekShA-se, anubhUti usane prApta kI us apekShA-se usakA puruShArtha jyAdA hai aisA kah sakate hai.n.

mumukShuH- use to kShayopashamakA utanA ughAD bhI nahI.n hai.

samAdhAnaH- ughADake sAth use sambandha nahI.n hai. prayojanabhUt tattvako jAne isaliye AtmAkI svAnubhUti pragaT hotI hai. jyAdA shAstrakA j~nAn ho yA jyAdA shAstra paDhe ho, usake sAth (sambandha nahI.n hai).

.. AtmAkA svarUp mai.n chaitanya padArtha, apane dravya-guN-paryAy aur parapadArthake, utanA mUl prayojanabhUt jAne to usame.n svAnubhUti hotI hai. usakA bhedaj~nAn kare ki yah sharIr so mai.n nahI.n hU.N, ye vibhAv shubhAshubhabhAv bhI merA svarUp nahI.n hai. mai.n usase bhinna, ananta guN-se bharapUr, ananta shaktiyo.n-se bharA Atmatattva hU.N. aisA vikalpa nahI.n, parantu aise apane astitvako grahaN karake usakA bhedaj~nAn kare. us bhedakI sahaj dashA pragaT karake andar vikalpa ChUTakar sthir ho jAy, usakI shraddhA-pratIt karake, j~nAn karake usame.n sthir ho jAy to use bhedaj~nAn nirvikalpa svAnubhUti hotI hai. usame.n jyAdA shAstra abhyAsakI jarUrat nahI.n hai.

vah to nahI.n ho tabatak use shubhabhAvame.n rahaneke liye visheSh j~nAnakI nirmalatA ho, isaliye shAstrakA abhyAs kare. parantu jyAdA jAne to hI ho, aisA sambandha nahI.n hai. use kShayopashamake sAth koI sambandha nahI.n hai. use apanI a.ntar pariNati palaTaneke liye prayojanabhUt tattvako jAne, usakI shraddhA kare aur usame.n sthir ho to use hotA hai.

shivabhUti muni kuCh nahI.n jAnate the. gurune kahA ki mAtuSh aur mAruSha. rAg-dveSh mat kara. vah shabda bhUl gaye. gurune kyA kahA thA vah shabda bhUl gaye. phir ek bAI


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dAl dho rahI thI. mere gurune yah kahA thA. ye ChilakA alag aur dAl alaga. vaise AtmA bhinna hai aur ye vibhAv bhinna hai. aise gurukA Ashay pakaDakar andar bhedaj~nAn karake a.ntarame.n sthir ho gaye to svAnubhUti to huyI, apitu itane Age baDh gaye ki unhe.n kevalaj~nAn pragaT ho gayA. mUl prayojanabhUt tattva jAne, isaliye Age nikal jAtA hai.

mumukShuH- mai.n talod hameshA jAtA hU.N. ek bhAI kahate hai.n, sonagaDhame.n kuCh nahI.n hai. isaliye mai.nne kahA, chaliye sonagaDhame.n. kyA hai, kyA nahI.n hai. Ap kuCh batAIye ki sonagaDhame.n kyA hai?

samAdhAnaH- sonagaDhame.n gurudev baraso.n tak rahe. gurudevakI pAvan bhUmi hai. gurudev jab virAjate the tab to kuCh alag hI thA. ye gurudevakI bhUmi hai. yahA.N dev-guru- shAstrakA sAnnidhya hai. aur chaitanyako jo pahichAne, usakI ruchi kare to vah ruchi ho sake aisA hai.

mumukShuH- yahA.N anubhUti puruSh svaya.n hI virAjamAn hai. mAtAjI svaya.n hI hai. usase visheSh kyA hogA. log virodh karate hai.n, to vAstavame.n use anubhUtikA jor nahI.n hai, yah nakkI hotA hai.

samAdhAnaH- sabake bhAv svata.ntra hai. pratyek AtmA svata.ntra hai. sabake bhAv sabake pAsa.

mumukShuH- .. aur paNDito.nne..

samAdhAnaH- sab shiShyo.nne sunA hai, sabane svIkAr kiyA hai. sabane pramod-se svIkR^it kiyA hai.

mumukShuH- phUlachandajI ekabAr airoplenakI bAt karate the ki mai.n airoplename.n baiThA thA. phir jab hilane lagA to mere pAs gurudevakA phoTo thA. mai.nne kasakar gurudevakA phoTo pakaD liyA, utaneme.n to plen ekadam sthir ho gayA. phUlachandajI svaya.n kahate the.

samAdhAnaH- jAt-jAtakA kahe.

mumukShuH- jab gurudev yahA.N virAjate the taba.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, virAjate the taba. prabhAvanA yog, gurudevakI vANI aur unakA j~nAn aisA thA ki use dekhakar logo.nko Ashcharya hotA thA ki ye koI tIrtha.nkarakA jIv hI hai. aisA hotA thA.

muumukShuH- upAdAn-nimittakI bAt gurudevane jo a.ntarame.n-se prakAshit kI, vah bAt hI kahA.N thI.

samAdhAnaH- kahA.N thI. sab bAt spaShTa kI. upAdAn-nimitta, dravya, guN, paryAy,


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AtmA bhinna, dharma kriyA-se nahI.n hai, dharma a.ntarame.n hai, shubhabhAv puNyabandha hai. andar shuddhAtmAme.n pariNati pragaT hone-se dharma hotA hai. sab unho.nne prakAshit kiyA hai. samayasArakA artha kaun samajhatA thA? ek-ek shabdakA artha karanevAlA kaun thA? koI bhI shAstra le, usake ek-ek shabdakA artha kholanevAlA thA kaun? koI khol nahI.n sakatA thA.

abhI gurudevake pratAp-se sab shAstra paDhane lage. ek shabdakA artha kholakar, ek- ek shabdakA artha kholakar kitanA samay, usame.n kitanA vistAr karate the. vah kisIme.n shakti nahI.n hai. abhI koI paNDit aisA kar nahI.n sakate hai.n. samayasAr yA adhyAtma shAstro.nko kaun jAnatA thA.

mumukShuH- diga.nbar to aisA samajhate the ki ham to janma-se hI samyagdR^iShTi hai. phir to bAt hI kahA.N rahI.

samAdhAnaH- janma-se ho sakatA hai? vADA mAtra kahI.n samyagdarshan detA nahI.n. samyagdarshan to AtmAme.n pragaT hotA hai. ananta kAl-se jIvane.. kahate hai.n na ki pa.nchamakAlame.n tIrtha.nkarakA jIv Aye to bhI mAne nahI.n. ananta kAlame.n samavasaraName.n-se jIv aise hI vApas AtA hai. samavasaraName.n bhagavAn mile to bhI sva.ny apanI ichChAnusAr pariNati pragaT karatA hai. sab svata.ntra hai.

mumukShuH- gurudevane prakAshame.n rakhA to yahI paNDit log chU.N.. chU.N.. karate the. yehI paNDit the. gurudevane tattva prakAshit kiyA tab bhI itanA hI uhApoh karate the. jahA.N- tahA.N pempaleT phe.nkate the. unake virUddhame.n likhate the, aise hai, vaise hai, kitanA likhate the.

samAdhAnaH- svaya.nko sudharanA hai (aur) dUsareko sudhAranA hai. pahale apane AtmAkA kalyAN kare. dUsareko sudhAraneke liye mAno.n koI mArga nahI.n jAnate hai.n, ham hI jAnate hai.n. aisA un logo.nko ho gayA hai.

mumukShuH- Apake AshIrvAd-se pa.nch kalyANak bahut achChI tarah ujavAye. sab tan-man-se aise juD jAy ki sonagaDhame.n ronak ho jAya.

samAdhAnaH- sabakI bhAvanA hai, bhAvanA-se sab kiyA hai aur gurudevakA pratAp hai. samAdhAnaH- jIv vApas AtA hai. mAtra bAhya dR^iShTi-se dekhatA hai. a.ntar dR^iShTi- se dekhA nahI.n hai, bhagavAnako pahachAnA nahI.n hai. tere AtmAme.n hI sab hai. andar gaharAIme.n Utarakar dekha. samavasaraName.n jaise bhagavAn ho.n, vaise shAshvat na.ndIshvarame.n shAshvat bhagavAn hai.n. kudaratakI rachanA aisI banI hai. paramANukI rachanA bhagavAnarUp ho gayI hai. jinendra devakI jagatame.n aisI mahimA hai ki paramANu bhI jinendra devarUp pariNamit ho gaye hai.n, tIrtha.nkararUp paramANu pariNamit ho jAte hai.n. ratnake rajakaN vaise pariNamit ho jAte hai.n.

.. shAstrame.n AtA hai na? bhagavAnake dravya-guN-paryAyako pahichAne to apane dravya-


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guN-paryAyako pahachAnatA hai. apane dravya-guN-paryAyako pahachAne to bhagavAnako pahichAnatA hai.

mumukShuH- bhedaj~nAn kisase karanA?

samAdhAnaH- a.ntarame.n j~nAn-se bhedaj~nAn karanA. shAstrame.n AtA hai, praj~nA-se grahaN karanA, praj~nA-se bhinna karanA, sab praj~nA-se karanA. parantu vah praj~nA kAm kab kare? a.ntarame.n svaya.nko utanI lage to ho. mAtra bolanerUp yA nakkI karanerUp yA vikalparUp ho to vah praj~nA andar kAm nahI.n karatI hai. parantu a.ntarame.n svaya.nko lagI ho ki bhinna hI paD jAnA hai. ekatvabuddhi merA svabhAv nahI.n hai, ye ekatvabuddhi jUThI hai. mai.n chaitanya bhinna- nyArA hI hU.N. us nyAreko nyArArUp grahaN karanA hai. utanI a.ntar-se laganI lage to usakI praj~nA kAm kare. mAtra buddhi-se jAne to vah j~nAn j~nAnarUp pariNamatA nahI.n.

j~nAn j~nAnarUp kArya kab kare? ki svaya.nko a.ntarame.n utanI apanI or AnekI tIkShNatA jAge ki ye chaitanya hI mahimArUp hai aur ye ekatvabuddhi aur ye vibhAv AkulatArUp hai, utanA yadi use a.ntarame.n ho to vah a.ntarame.n-se vApas muDe. parantu usakA sAdhan j~nAn (hai). j~nAn-se grahaN hotA hai, j~nAn-se bhinna paDatA hai. sab j~nAn-se hotA hai. parantu pariNati palaTe kab? a.ntarame.n svaya.nko utanI thakAn lagI ho, andar-se svaya.nko svabhAv grahaN karanekI utanI tamanna lagI ho to ho. nahI.n to buddhi-se grahaN kar le ki mai.n bhinna, yah bhinna. parantu usakA tIvra abhyAs kab ho? yadi svaya.nko lage to ho.

prashamamUrti bhagavatI mAtano jay ho! mAtAjInI amR^it vANIno jay ho!