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mumukShuH- j~nAnasattA anumAn-se khyAlame.n AtI hai ki ye sab j~nAt ho rahA hai to koI jAnanevAlA bhI hai. sa.nvedan, aj~nAnIko sa.nvedanarUp-se khyAlame.n nahI.n AtA hai. rAg-se bhinna kar sake yA anya j~neyo.n-se bhinna kar sake, aisA sa.nvedanarUp-se khyAlame.n nahI.n AtA hai. isaliye lakShaN khyAlame.n nahI.n AtA hai to phir lakShya par kaise jAnA?

samAdhAnaH- vah apanI kShati hai. anumAn j~nAn bhI aisA hotA hai ki vah anumAn j~nAn bhI satya anumAn hotA hai. pahale yathArtha anumAn karake lakShaNako grahaN kare to sa.nvedan to andar nirvikalpa dashA hotI hai tab sa.nvedan hotA hai. usake pahale jo j~nAn lakShaN vidyamAn hI hai, asAdhAraN j~nAnalakShaN svaya.n hI hai, anya nahI.n hai, vah j~nAnalakShaN asAdhAraN rUp hai, vah j~nAnalakShaN to svaya.nko lakShyame.n Aye aisA hI hai. parantu vah use grahaN nahI.n hotA hai, mAtra anumAn-anumAn hotA hai. vah mAtra (isaliye ki) yathArtha prakAr-se use grahaN nahI.n karatA hai.

nirvikalpa dashAme.n yathArtha sa.nvedan hotA hai. usake pahale bhI svaya.n j~nAyakarUp-se svaya.n vidyamAn hI hai, usakA kahI.n nAsh nahI.n huA hai, usake astitvakA nAsh nahI.n huA hai aur usakI j~nAyakatA to j~nAt ho hI rahI hai. parantu vah svaya.n jAnatA hI nahI.n hai. parantu a.ntarame.n use utanI lage to grahaN hotA hai, use lagatI hI nahI.n. buddhi- se anumAn karatA hai. parantu vah anumAn bhI vah yadi yathArtha prakAr-se anumAn, yukti- se grahaN kare to (ho sakatA hai). anumAn, yukti sab yathArtha hotA hai, parantu usake sAth-sAth vah Age jAnekA prayatna kare ki mai.n j~nAyak rUp hI virAjamAn hU.N. to grahaN ho sake aisA hai. parantu vah karatA nahI.n hai isaliye hotA nahI.n hai. buddhi-se karake ChoD detA hai, parantu apanA astitva grahaN nahI.n karatA hai aur karane jAy to svaya.n sAmAnya kShaNik grahaN karake ChoD detA hai. usakA abhyAs la.nbAtA nahI.n.

j~nAyakarUp abhyAsakA jIvan apanA banAtA hI nahI.n. jo anAdikA ekatvabuddhikA jIvan hai aur vibhAvamay, shubhAshubh pariNAmakI dhArArUp jo jIvan chalA jAtA hai, vaise hI anAdikA jaise chalatA hai, vaise chalA jAtA hai. tIvrame.n-se manda, tIvra-manda, tIvra-manda aise chalA jAtA hai, parantu usakA jIvan jo j~nAyakarUp palaTanA chAhiye, vah

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palaTatA hI nahI.n, usame.n svaya.nkA hI kAraN hai.

mumukShuH- j~nAyakakA jIvan nahI.n jItA hai, usakA artha kyA?

samAdhAnaH- j~nAyakarUp pariNati nahI.n karatA hai. mai.n j~nAyak hU.N, us jAtakI a.ntar pariNati. jaise vibhAvakI pariNati sahaj ho rahI hai, aise j~nAyakakI pariNati svaya.n sahajarUp karatA hI nahI.n, jIvan jItA nahI.n usakA artha yah hai. us jAtakA abhyAs kare to jIvan sahaj ho na. abhyAs hI thoDA karake ChoD detA hai. phir anAdikA pravAh hai usame.n chalA jAtA hai. usakI khaTak rakhe, ruchi rakhe, aisA karatA hai parantu abhyAs nahI.n karatA hai. ruchi aisI rakhatA hai ki yah j~nAyak hai vahI karane jaisA hai, ye vibhAv meerA svabhAv nahI.n hai, aisA buddhime.n rakhatA hai, lekin us rUp pariNati yA abhyAs nahI.n karatA hai, ChoD detA hai.

(koI) kar nahI.n detA hai. ulajhaname.n-se svaya.nko palaTanA paDatA hai. svaya.nko hI karanA hai. bhUkh lage to khAnekI kriyA svaya.n hI karatA hai. usame.n kisIkA i.ntajAr nahI.n karatA hai. use bhUkhakA duHkh sahan nahI.n hotA hai. khAnekA prayatna svaya.n.n hI karatA hai. jis jAtakA andar svaya.nko vedan hotA hai, (to prayatna bhI) svaya.n hI karatA hai. vaise yadi vAstavik vedan jAge to usakA puruShArtha svaya.n hI karatA hai. kisIkA i.ntajAr nahI.n karatA.

mumukShuH- gurudevakI janma jaya.ntike samay ApashrIne gurudevako svapname.n dekhA.

samAdhAnaH- (gurudevakA) jIvan-darshan, charaN Adi sab thA (to aisA huA), itanA sundar hai, aiseme.n gurudev padhAre to bahut achChA lage. ye svAdhyAy mandirakI shobhA kuCh lage. gurudev virAjate ho to kuCh alag lage. aise hI vichAr Ate the. gurudev padhAre, padhAre, padhAro aisA hotA thA. isaliye prAtaHkAlame.n aisA huA ki mAno.n gurudev svapname.n devame.n-se padhAre. devame.n-se devake rupame.n aur dev jaise vastra. ratnakA mugaT, hAr, vastra Adi devake rUpame.n hI the. isaliye kahA, gurudev padhAro. to gurudevane kahA, bahin! aisA kuCh rakhanA nahI.n, mai.n to yahI.n hU.N. mujhe tIn bAr kahA, mai.n yahI.n hU.N, aisA kuCh rakhanA nahI.n.

mumukShuH- tIn bAr kahA?

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, tIn bAr kahA. gurudevakI Aj~nA hai to mAn lU.N. in sabhIko bahut duHkh hai. gurudev us vakta kuCh bole nahI.n. sun liyA. us din mAhol aisA ho gayA thA ki mAno.n gurudev hai. svapna to utanA hI thA. gurudev devake rUpame.n padhAre.

mumukShuH- vastra sab devake hI pahane the.

samAdhAnaH- devake vastra, devake rUpame.n hI the.

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mumukShuH- sar par mugaT pahanA thA.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, mugaT Adi.

mumukShuH- AkR^iti, mukhAkR^iti...

samAdhAnaH- devake rUpame.n, parantu svapname.n pahachAn le ki ye gurudev hai.n. AkR^iti Adi sab dev jaisA. yahA.N-se thoDA pharka hotA hai. yahA.N bhI aise hI the. parantu rUp devakA thA. parantu pahachAn ho jAy ki gurudev devake rUpame.n padhAre hai.n. gurudev dev hue hai.n aur devake rupame.n padhAre hai.n. aise svapname.n jAn sakate hai.n.

mumukShuH- ApakA vArtAlAp tIrtha.nkar aur guNadharakA ho vaisA vArtAlAp svapname.n huA hogA?

samAdhAnaH- mAhol aisA ho gayA ki gurudev hai. usake bAd mAhol (aisA ho gayA ki), sUryakIrti bhagavAn padhAre, vah sab usake bAd huA. mai.nne to kisIko kuCh kahA nahI.n thA. usake bAd huA. prANabhAI Adi sabane ghoShaNA kI, usake bAd huA.

mumukShuH- usake bAd har gA.Nvame.n sUryakIrti bhagavAn padhAre.

mumukShuH- prANabhAI ek-DeDh sAl-se sUryakIrti bhagavAnakA kahate the.

samAdhAnaH- pahale nahI.n kahA thA. us din rathayAtrA nikalI. sabako gurudev virAjate ho.n aur kaisA ho, aisA sabako maname.n to hotA hai, parantu vAtAvaraN aisA ho gayA. nahI.n to har sAl to...

manuShyame.n shakti nahI.n hotI. devo.nko to sab shakti hotI hai. har jagah jAnekI, AnekI, bhagavAnake pAs jAy, gurudev sIma.ndhar bhagavAnake pAs jAte hai.n. unhe.n to avadhij~nAn- se sab jAnanekI shakti (hai). upayog rakhe to bharatakShetra, videhakShetra yahA.N baiThakar bhI dekh sakate hai.n. avadhij~nAn-se jAn sake aisI devo.nkI shakti hotI hai. gurudev to virAjate hI hai.n. devame.n to bhagavAnake pAs jAte hai.n.

mumukShuH- ApakI ma.ngal ChatraChAyAme.n .. ujavAyegA. Apako AshIrvAd de jAy aur sabako sunane mile aisI bhAvanA bhAte hai.n. bAr-bAr unhe.n svapname.n darshan de aur hamako unake mukh-se sunaneko mile.

samAdhAnaH- bhagavAnake rUpame.n gurudev padhAranevAle hai.n. apane bhAv-se sthApanA karate hai.n. jinapratimA jin sArIkhi. vicharate ho.nge us din to pUjA, bhakti hogI, abhI to der hai, parantu yahA.N abhI sthApanA karake pUjA, bhakti gurudevakI karanI hai. yahA.N padhAre.nge tab bharatakShetrakI pUrI dishA badal jAyagI. pUrA bharatakShetrakA vAtAvaraN yahA.N tIrtha.nkar bhagavAn (ho.nge). ChaThThA kAl jAyagA aur usame.n-se ekadam parivartan AyegA. bharatakShetrame.n utsarpiNI kAl AyegA. sab baDhatA huA AyegA. vR^iddhigat hotA jAyegA. mahApadmaprabhu bhagavAn

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jab padhAre.nge taba. amuk j~nAn Adi jo abhI nahI.n hai, vah sab us vakta pragaT hogA. muni, shrAvak, shrAvikA saba. bhagavAn bharatakShetrame.n padhAre.nge taba. abhI pa.nchamakAl (chal rahA hai), ChaThThA kAl AyegA, phir mahApadmaprabhu bhagavAn padhAranevAle ho.nge tab is bharatakShetrakI dishA pUrI badal jAyegI.

... yahA.N dishA palaTakar gaye hai.n. sab kriyAme.n dharma mAnate the. gurudevane pUrI dishA badal dI. sabako a.ntar dR^iShTi karavAkar sabako muktike mArga par chaDhA diyA. gurudev tIrtha.nkarakA dravya thA. unho.nne tIrtha.nkar jaisA kAm is pa.nchamakAlake bhAgya-se kar gaye.

mumukShuH- .. kitanI karuNA thI aur phir vah rAg ekadam kaise (ChUT gayA)?

samAdhAnaH- vahA rAg unakA ekatvabuddhikA nahI.n thA. karuNA-kR^ipA thI ki ye sab jIv AtmAkA svarUp samajhe. bAr-bAr kahate the, samajho, samajho. unhe.n sabako samajhAnekI karuNA thI. nispR^ih aur ekadam virakta the. unhe.n ekatvabuddhi thI nahI.n. samAjakA pratiba.ndh ho to ve aisA kahate the, mai.n pUrA samAj ChoDakar akelA chalA jAU.NgA. aisI unakI nispR^ih pariNati thI.

sthAnakavAsIme.n kahate the na, sa.npradAy ChoD dU.NgA. mai.n kahI.n sa.npradAyake bandhaname.n rahanevAlA nahI.n hU.N. un par koI pratibandha kare to (chalatA nahI.n thA). gurudev to apratibandha the. un par kisIkA pratibandha nahI.n thA. vAtsalya-karuNA thI sab jIvo.n para. sab jIv kaise samajhe?

mumukShuH- abhI sUryakIrtinAth bhagavAnako jinAlayame.n pUjanekI bhAvanA huyI. usake phalame.n sAkShAt pUjanekA lAbh samavasaraName.n milegA.

samAdhAnaH- mil jAyagA. bhAvanA abhI-se taiyAr ho to sAkShAt lAbh mil jAya. yahA.N samIp lAkar bhagavAnake rUpame.n pUjate hai.n. jo kAlakI bAt hai, kAlakI samIp sthApanA karake pUjA karate hai.n. gurudev sAkShAt bhagavAn ho.nge tab dUsarI bAr lAbh milegA.

mumukShuH- abhI bhAvakA a.ntar TUTA, us vakta kAlakA TUTegA.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N. dUsarI bAr samavasaraName.n sAnnidhyame.n divyadhvani sunanekA yog milegA. abhI unakI vANI sunanekA yog to thA hI. sIma.ndhar bhagavAnakI jaise amuk kAlame.n vANI ChUTatI hai, vaise gurudevakI vANI ChUTatI hI rahatI thI. niyam anusAra. mahApadma prabhu bhagavAn yahA.N pratham tIrtha.nkar ho.nge. bIchame.n is pa.nchamakAlame.n aisA achChA kAl A gayA. gurudev padhAre vah (kAl A gayA).

mumukShuH- gurudev ..

samAdhAnaH- koI Ashcharya hai is pa.nchamakAlame.n aise puruSh pa.nchamakAlame.n jAge, vah

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ek acha.nbhA Ashcharya hai. is pa.nchamakAlame.n aise tIrtha.nkar bhagavAnakA dravya yahA.N Aye aur aisI vANI barasAye, vah koI AshcharyakI bAt hai. videhakShetrame.n bhagavAnakI dhvani sunanevAle, jo bhaviShyame.n tIrtha.nkar honevAle hai.n, aur aise hu.nDAvasarpiNI pa.nchamakAlame.n yahA.N gurudev padhAre, ek acha.nbhA, AshcharyakI bAt hai. jIvo.nkA mahAbhAgya ki yahA.N padhAre.

aisI unakI vANI, aisA unakA shrutaj~nAn vah ek mahAacha.nbhA, AshcharyakI bAt hai is pa.nchamakAlame.n. bahut muni hote hai.n, parantu gurudev tIrtha.nkar svarUpame.n pUre samAjake bIch rahakar aisI vANI itane sAl barasAyI, vah to kitane samay bAd mahAbhAgya-se banatA hai. munio.n to ja.ngalame.n (ho.n yA nagarame.n) Aye tab vANI barasAye. ye to samAjake bIch rahakar aisI vANI barasAyI. ye to koI AshcharyakI bAt hai. bharatakShetrame.n Aye. bharatakShetrakA mahAbhAgya ki gurudev yahA.N padhAre.

mumukShuH- gaNadhar Adi muni bhagava.nt Adi ho, deshanAkA kAl na ho to aise kAlame.n dUsaro.nko deshanA dete ho.nge?

samAdhAnaH- vahA.N hotA hai. munio.nke sAth

prashna-charchA kare. aisA sab kare. jab deshanAkA kAl nahI.n ho taba. .. chAro.n (sa.ngh) Ave aisA nahI.n hotA. jaise bhagavAname.n chAro.n (sa.ngh) AtA hai, shrAvak, shrAvikA, muni, ArjikA divyadhvani sunaneko ikaTThe hote hai.n, vaisA samay nishchit hotA hai, aisA dUsarekA hotA hai, parantu amuk-amuk logo.nko upadesh de, kisIke sAth charchA-prashna kare.

mumukShuH- kundakundAchArya dUsare munio.nke sAth charchA kI, to samavasaraName.n yA samavasaraNake bAhar?

samAdhAnaH- samavasaraName.n charchA-prashna karaneme.n koI dikkat nahI.n hai. charchA-prashna kare. bhagavAnakI dhvanikA kAl na ho taba.

mumukShuH- bhAShA to yahA.NkI alag, vahA.NkI alag (hotI hai to..)?

samAdhAnaH- bhAShA alag yAnI Arya bhAShA hotI hai. bhAShA koI navIn jAtakI nahI.n hotI. jo amuk jAtakI bhAShA hai ki itanI Arya bhAShA aur itanI anArya bhAShA, isaliye Arya bhAShA hotI hai, aisI Arya bhAShA hotI hai. ye sab bhAShA hindI, gujarAtI sab Arya bhAShA hai. anArya bhAShA nahI.n hotI. sa.nskR^it, mAgadhI sab shAstriy bhAShA hai. ye sab bolanekA bhAShA hai vah Arya bhAShA hai. aisI Arya bhAShA (hotI hai). mahAvideh kShetrame.n sab Arya bhAShA hotI hai.

bhagavAnakA upadesh to alag hI hotA hai. divyadhvani to ekAkSharI dhvani (hotI hai). koI alag jAtakA bhagavAnakA upadesh hai. dUsareke sAth prashna-charchA kare vah bhedavAlI bhAShA hotI hai. kShayopasham j~nAname.n-se nikalI huyI bhAShA vah bhedavAlI bhAShA hai. bAkI

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hotI Arya bhAShA. bhagavAnakI bhAShA, vItarAgI dhvani, kevalaj~nAname.n virAjate bhagavAnakI dhvanime.n andar ananta rahasya Ate hai.n. aur bhed nahI.n hokar, amuk prakArakI bhAShA (hotI hai). bhagavAnakI divyadhvani alag bAt hai. bhagavAnake upadeshakI shailI alaga. unakI vANI ichChA binA nikale koI alag jAtakI.

samAdhAnaH- darshan, j~nAn, chAritra a.ntarame.n hai, bAhar nahI.n hai. samyagdarshan, mAtra jIv, ajIv AdikA pATh bol liyA athavA usakI shraddhA kI isaliye tattva darshan aise nahI.n hotA. athavA mAtra sab sIkh liyA isaliye j~nAn ho gayA aisA nahI.n hai. athavA mahAvrat pAle isaliye vrat A gaye aisA nahI.n hotA. parantu andar AtmAme.n darshan hai. AtmAkA jo svabhAv hai, vah svabhAv pahichanAkar usakI shraddhA kare to samyagdarshan hai. AtmAko pahichAne to sachchA j~nAn hotA hai. AtmAme.n lInatA kare to sachchA vrat hotA hai. mAtra bAhar-se nahI.n hotA hai. bAhar-se mAtra shubhabhAv hote hai.n.

mumukShuH- lInatA karanI kaise? samAdhAnaH- usakI paddhati to andar bhedaj~nAn kare to ho. sachchA j~nAn kare, usakA vichAr kare, usakA vA.nchan kare, sachche dev-guru-shAstrako pahichAne. vah kahe us mArga par chale. andar usakI lagan lagAye, usakI mahimA lagAye, usakA vichAr kare, vA.nchan kare, usakA abhyAs kare AtmAkA to hotA hai. sachchA svarUp pahichAne to ho.