Benshreeni Amrut Vani Part 2 Transcripts-Hindi (itrans transliteration). Track: 35.

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mumukShuH- pUjya mAtAjI! Agamame.n jagah-jagah sAt tattvake yathArtha shraddhAnako hI samyakatvakA lakShaN ginakar mahattA dI hai to usame.n itanA kyA rahasya hai, yah kR^ipA karake samajhAIye ki jisase hame.n samyakatva-ratnakI mahimA jAgR^it ho.

samAdhAnaH- sAt tattvakI shraddhAme.n AchAryadevako ek jIvapadArthako mukhya kahanA hai. lekin vah ek AtmA padArtha samajh nahI.n sakatA hai. isaliye use vyavahArakI bAt bhI sAthame.n (kahate hai.n). sAt tattvakA shraddhAname.n mukhyarUpase to andar AtmAkI or dravyadR^iShTi karanI, aisA AchAryadevako kahanA hai. bhUtArthadR^iShTiko grahaN kara. lekin usame.n sAt tattvakI shraddhA bIchame.n hotI hai. isaliye AchAryadev vyavahArase bAt kare to bhI andar AtmAko grahaN karAnekA unakA Ashay hotA hai. ek AtmAko grahaN karanA. bhUtArtha tattva ek bhUtArtha AtmapadArtha hai, use grahaN kara. usake bIch ye sAt tattva- jIvatattva, ajIvatattva, Asrav, sa.nvar, ba.ndh, mokSha Adi Ate hai.n. kyo.nki tujhe sAdhakadashA pragaT karanI hai to usame.n bIchame.n yah vibhAv hai, vibhAvame.nse sa.nvar ho, usame.nse nirjarA ho, visheSh shuddhi ho to nirjarA ho, amuk shuddhi ho to sa.nvar ho, pUrNa shuddhime.n mokSha hotA hai. sAdakadashA aur sAdhya dono.n AchAryadev batAte hai.n.

bhUtArthanayako mukhya kara. ek mukhya chaitanyadravyako mukhya karake usame.n yah jo paryAy hotI hai, vah dono.n usame.n A jAte hai.n. AchAryadev pUrA muktikA mArga batA rahe hai.n. AchAryadevako vyavahArakI bAt karake samajhAnA hai, ek jIvatattvako grahaN karanA. lekin ... aisA nahI.n hai. vyavahArase jo kahate hai.n yAnI vyavahAr bilakUl hai hI nahI.n aisA nahI.n hai. AchAryadevake ek-ek shabda jo hote hai.n vah tattva grahaN karaneke liye hotA hai aur yathArtha muktimArga grahaN karavAnA hotA hai. AchAryadev jo kahate hai.n, usame.n jo vyavahArakI bAt karate hai.n vah bilakUl jUThI hai aisA nahI.n. AchAryadevakI jo kathanI hotI hai vah satyatA par satya hI hotI hai. isaliye nishchay kis apekShAse hai aur vyavahAr kis apekShAse, vah use AtmArtha hetu samajhanA rahatA hai. AtmArthIko AchAryadev pUrA muktikA mArga samajhAte hai.n.

mukhya jo AtmA hai use grahaN kar, jIvatattvako grahaN kara. usame.n sab paryAye.n


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hotI hai.n, usakA j~nAn kara. mukhya ek AtmAko grahaN kara. yathArtha j~nAn hogA to terI sAdhanA yathArtha hogI. isaliye yathArtha j~nAn kara. aur dR^iShTime.n mukhya ek jIvadravyako rakh, us par dR^iShTi kara. AchAryadevakA yah kahanekA Ashay hai. alag-alag mAtra jAnaneke liye jAn lenA, aisA nahI.n hai. ek shraddhA kar lenI ki jIv hai, puNya hai, Asrav hai, pAp, sa.nvar, bandha, mokSha Adi hai, aisI shraddhA kar lI, aisA nahI.n. ek Atmatattvako grahaN kar aur usakI yah paryAy hai, usakA j~nAn kara. usame.nse sAdhanA hotI hai. aisA AchAryadevakA kahanekA Ashay hotA hai. vyavahAr kahakar andar nishchay AtmAko batAnA hai.

AchAryadevake sab kathan rahasyamay hote hai.n. ek samyagdarshan pragaT kar to usame.n pUrA muktikA mArga A jAtA hai. usame.n samyagdarshan, munidashA, kevalaj~nAn (sab pragaT ho jAtA hai). ek samyakatva grahaN kiyA, jo anAdise pragaT nahI.n huI aisI svAnubhUti pragaT huI usame.n pUrA muktikA mArga pragaT ho gayA. usame.n pUrA mArga spaShTa ho gayA. isaliye sAt tattvakI shraddhAme.n ek bhUtArtha dR^iShTise tU sab jAn, aisA AchAryadevako kahanA hai. vyavahArase bAt kare isakA matalab usame.n.n AchAryadevakI gaharI bAt hotI hai. jo nahI.n samajhate hai.n isaliye use vyavahArase bAt karate hai.n. parantu AchAryadevako gaharI bAt samajhAnI hotI hai.

mandir jAnA hai aisA kahe. mandir jAnekA hetu bhagavAnake darshanakA hai. koI kahe ki bhagavAnake darshan karane hai.n aur koI kahatA hai, mandir jAnA hai. mandir jAneme.n sahetu to bhagavAnake darshanakA hotA hai. sirpha mandir jAnA hai utanA hI hetu nahI.n hotA, parantu bhagavAnake darshanakA hotA hai.

aise koI sIdhA AtmA kahe to aur vyavahArase bAt kare usame.n ek AtmAkA hotA hai. mandir jAnA hai aisA kahaneme.n hetu bhagavAnake darshan karanekA hai. vaise j~nAn, darshan, chAritrakI bAt kare to un tIno.nme.n ek AtmA grahaN kara. AtmAko sAdhya rakhakar sAdhakadashAme.n j~nAn, darshan, chAritra sab AtA hai.

mumukShuH- mandir jA, aisA kahe usakA matalab...

samAdhAnaH- mandir jAnA hai itanA hI nahI.n, bhagavAnake darshan karane jAnA hai.

mumukShuH- turanta samajh bhI jAye ki mandir jAnekA kahA hai matalab darshan karane hai.

samAdhAnaH- bhagavAnake darshan karaneko kahA hai.

mumukShuH- sAt tattvakA j~nAn aur shraddhAn kar, vah AtmAkA j~nAn eva.n shraddhAn karAneko kahA hai.


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samAdhAnaH- AtmAkA j~nAn karAneko sAt tattvakI shraddhA karaneko kahA hai.

mumukShuH- AtmAke shraddhAnakA artha Ap sAmarthyake shraddhAnakI bAt karate ho? AtmAke sAmarthyakI? hetu yah hai?

samAdhAnaH- AtmAkA j~nAn kar yAnI AtmAkA sAmarthya aur AtmA tattva kaisA hai, usakA j~nAn kara. sAmarthya yAnI ananta guNo.nse bharA hai, aise grahaN kara. phir ananta guN par dR^iShTi nahI.n rakhanI hai. AtmA kaisA hai? j~nAyakatattva. use grahaN to ek abhedako hai. lekin usakA sAmarthya kaisA ananta hai, usame.n sAthame.n sab j~nAnase grahaN karanA hai. AtmAkA ananta sAmarthya, AtmAke guN-paryAy j~nAnase grahaN kara. phir dR^iShTi ek AtmA par sthApit karanI hai.

shAstra paDhatA rahe to shAstra mAtra paDhaneke liye nahI.n hai. tU shAstra samajh, usame.n AtmAko pahachAn aisA kahanekA Ashay hotA hai. mandir jAnA matalab bhagavAnake darshan karane hai. vaise AtmAko grahaN karanekA Ashay hotA hai. "chAritra, darshan, j~nAn paN vyavahAr kathane j~nAnIne'. vyavahArase chAritra, darshan kathan kahe, lekin nishchayase chAritra nahI.n hai, darshan nahI.n hai, j~nAn nahI.n hai. arthAt guNabhed nahI.n hai. lekin vah svarUp to hai-j~nAn, darshan aur chAritra, ye tIno.n guN AtmAme.n hai. lekin us guNabhedame.n rukanA nahI.n. bhedakA vikalpa karanese rAg hotA hai. isaliye tU vikalpa toDakar AtmAme.n sthir ho.

... chAritra par aise dR^iShTi karanese tU usame.n ruk jAyegA. ek j~nAyak par dR^iShTi sthApit kara. lekin vah tIn bhed use bIchame.n samajhAneke liye kahaneke liye Aye binA rahatA hI nahI.n. AchAryadev kahate hai.n ki khed hai ki bIchame.n vyavahAr Aye binA rahatA hI nahI.n. anAdise jo vibhAvame.n paDA hai, usame.nse sAdhakadashA pragaT hotI hai, isaliye bIchame.n vyavahAr Aye binA rahatA hI nahI. isaliye jo nahI.n samajhate hai.n use vyavahArase samajhAneme.n AtA hai. lekin jo AtmArthI hotA hai vah Ashay grahaN kar letA hai ki gurudevako ek AtmA grahaN karAnekA hetu hai, lekin bIchame.n yah samajhAneke liye yah sab AtA hai. lekin nishchay-vyavahArakI sa.ndhi bhI honI chAhiye. ek AtmAko grahaN kara. aur yah jo guN aur paryAyakA svarUp hai, vah kuCh hai hI nahI.n, aise ChoD de to bhI bhUl hotI hai. sabakA svarUp samajhakar ek dravya par dR^iShTi karanI hai.

samAdhAnaH- ... j~nAyak pariNati a.ntarame.n pragaT huI, vah j~nAyakakI pariNati chAlU ho gayI. svAnubhUtikI dashA pragaT ho gayI. j~nAyakakI pariNati sadAke liye, khAte-pIte, jAgate-sote, svapname.n sabame.n j~nAyakakI pariNati chAlU hI hai. j~nAyakakI dhArA chAlU ho gayI. puruShArthakI dhArA j~nAyakakI or hI chalatI hai. aisI j~nAyakatAkI ugratAke liye usakA prayatna chAlU hI hai. usakI bhUmikA anusAra.


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phir jaise bhUmikA baDhatI jAye, vaise j~nAyakakI pariNati bhI visheSh-visheSh baDhatI jAtI hai. lInatA baDhatI jAtI hai. bhUmikA palaTanese pA.NchavA.n guNasthAn, ChaThThA-sAtavA.n guNasthAn AtA hai. jaise-jaise bhUmikA baDhatI jAtI hai, vaise-vaise use pariNatime.n lInatA baDhatI jAtI hai. bAkI samyagdarshanake bAd j~nAyakakI pariNati chAlU hI rahatI hai. j~nAyakakI pariNati pragaT ho gayI, isaliye vartamAn dashAme.n kuCh nahI.n hotA, aisA nahI.n hai. j~nAyakakI pariNati, j~nAyakakA vedan pratikShaN hotA hai. chAhe jaise prasa.ngame.n use j~nAyakakI pariNati ChUTatI hI nahI.n.

use nirvikalpa dashA bhI usakI bhUmikA anusAr hotI hai. vah AnandakI dashA alag bAt hai, lekin vartamAn dhArAme.n bhI vikalpake sAth ekatvarUp AkUlatA nahI.n hotI. andar shA.ntikI dhArA, samAdhikI dhArA, j~nAyakakI dhArA, virakti, vibhAvase virakti aur svabhAvame.n ekatva eva.n vibhAvase virakta, use yAd nahI.n karanA paDatA, balki sahaj j~nAnadhArA aur udayadhArA chAlU hI hai. chAhe jaise prasa.ngame.n kShaN-kShaName.n, kabhI bhUlatA nahI.n. chAhe jaise prasa.ng ho, chalate-phirate kabhI bhI use j~nAyakakI pariNati, koI bhI bhAvo.nme.n j~nAyak pariNati ChUTatI nahI.n. aisI usakI dashA hameshA chalatI hai. aisA sahaj puruShArtha usakA chAlU hI hotA hai. aisI usakI dashA hotI hai. aisI j~nAnadhArA, usakI pratItakA jor utanA aur lInatA us or chAlU hI rahatI hai.

mumukShuH- sahaj aur puruShArtha, dono.n ekasAth kaise rahate hai.n? sahaj puruShArtha chalatA hai?

samAdhAnaH- sahaj chalatA hai. sahaj puruShArtha. vikalpa karake puruShArtha rakhanA paDe aisA nahI.n hai. bhUl gayA aur phir puruShArtha karanA paDe, aisA nahI.n hai. sahaj puruShArtha chalatA hai. andar j~nAyakakI pariNatikA puruShArtha sahaj (chalatA hai). vibhAvase bhinna huA so huA, phir visheSh-visheSh lInatAke liye puruShArtha, apane svarUpakI orakI Dor chAlU hai vah chAlU hI rahatI hai. j~nAnadashAkI DorI kabhI nahI.n ChUTatI. aisI puruShArthakI dhArA usakI sahaj chalatI hai. puruShArtha aur sahaj hai. puruShArtha hai, lekin sahaj hai.

mumukShuH- mAtAjI! jaise j~nAn aur chAritra kahanepar usakA kuCh-kuCh bhAv pakaDame.n AtA hai, parantu dR^iShTi, jisake AdhArase bhavakaTi ho jAye, sab duHkh dUr ho jAye, aisI dR^iShTike svarUpakI mahimA samajhAnekI vinatI hai.

samAdhAnaH- j~nAn yAnI vah samajhatA hai ki jAnanA vah j~nAna. bAkI sachchA j~nAn to svakI or jAye tab hotA hai. chAritra yAnI vah AcharaNakI apekShAse samajhatA hai, bAkI sachchA chAritra to svarUpame.n jAye tab hotA hai. aise dR^iShTi-shraddhA. svarUpakI or dR^iShTi gayI to use vibhAvasvabhAvame.n bhed ho gayA ki yah svabhAv hai, vibhAv mujhase


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bhinna hai. usI tarah guNabhed par bhI vah TikatI nahI.n. ek apanA astitva grahaN kare, aisI jo dR^iShTi, najar, vishvAs aur shraddhAkA jo bal hai, vah ek AtmAko hI grahaN karake TikI rahatI hai. aisI dR^iShTi koI alag hI hai. usame.n hI use svAnubhUti Adi dR^iShTike balase hote hai.n. usakI dR^iShTi kahI.n or jAtI hI nahI.n. ek AtmAko hI grahaN karatI hai. baddhaspR^iShTa Adi sab bhAv Upar tirate hai.n. vah Upar-Upar rahate hai.n. ek AtmA hI use, mUl tal jo AtmA hai usame.n hI usakI dR^iShTi sthir rahatI hai. pUrI dishA badal gayI hai.

... chaitanya bhagavAn par dR^iShTi chipak gaI, phir usame.n guNabhed, paryAyabhed par dR^iShTi TikatI nahI.n. j~nAname.n sab AtA hai, j~nAname.n sab Aye, lekin dR^iShTi to ek chaitanyako grahaN karatI hai. dR^iShTikA nirNay aur usakI shraddhA, joradAr ekako grahaN karatI hai. j~nAname.n sab AtA hai. j~nAn sabakI shraddhA karatA hai. dravyako jAne, guNako, paryAyako, sabako jAne. lekin dR^iShTi ek AtmA par hai.

jise samyagdarshan huA usake sAth samyagj~nAn hotA hI hai. samyagj~nAn (aur samyagdarshan) dono.n sAthame.n hI hote hai.n. isaliye usame.n mukhya nishchayakI apekShAse samyagdarshan hai. lekin samyagj~nAn usake sAth hI hotA hai. samyagdarshanake sAth samyagj~nAn hotA hI hai. ek AtmAko grahaN kiyA isaliye usame.n guN-paryAyako jAne nahI.n, aisA nahI.n banatA. j~nAn aur darshan dono.n sAthame.n hI rahate hai.n. mokShamArgame.n dono.n sAth hI rahate hai.n. usakI chAritrakI ArAdhanA sAthame.n rahatI hai. bAkI kAm dono.n sAthame.n rahakar (karate hai.n). dR^iShTi mukhyarUpase hai aur j~nAn usake sAth rahatA hai. dono.n sAth hI rahate hai.n.

j~nAnakI apekShAse j~nAnakI mahimA hai, dR^iShTikI apekShAse dR^iShTikI (mahimA hai). lekin dR^iShTike binA anAdi kAlase rakhaDA aur apane bhavakA abhAv nahI.n huA. svAnubhUti pragaT nahI.n huyI. dR^iShTi mahimAva.nt hai, samyagdarshan mahimAva.nt hai. samyagdarshan hotA hai isIliye j~nAnako samyagj~nAn kahate hai.n. nahI.n to samyagdarshan binAkA j~nAn, j~nAn nahI.n hai. AtmAko jAne binAkA j~nAn vah j~nAn nahI.n hai. isaliye samyagdarshan mahimAva.nt hai.

mumukShuH- dR^iShTikA parivartan honA chAhiye, dR^iShTi palaTanI chAhiye.

samAdhAnaH- dR^iShTi palaTanI chAhiye. lekin samajhaneke liye pahale vyavahArase j~nAn sAthame.n hotA hai. dravya kise kahate hai.n, guN kise kahate hai.n, paryAy kise kahate hai.n, bhed-abhed Adi kisako kahate hai.n, vah sab j~nAname.n jAnaneme.n AtA hai. vah j~nAname.n nirNay karatA hai. pahale vyavahArako jAnanA kaise? j~nAn use bIchame.n sAdhanarUp hotA hai. vyavahArase. lekin dR^iShTi mukhya hai.

mumukShuH- j~nAn honepar use dR^iShTi badal jAtI hai?


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samAdhAnaH- hA.N, vyavahArase j~nAna. kahate hai.n na? tU sachchA j~nAn kar, sachche j~nAn binA rakhaDA. j~nAn binA AtmAko grahaN kaise kare? sachchI samajh binA AtmAko grahaN karanA, AtmAkA nirNay karanA, vah sab j~nAnase hotA hai. isaliye j~nAn use vyavahArase sAdhan banatA hai. pragaT karanA hai samyagdarshan, dR^iShTi pragaT karanI hai. lekin usame.n j~nAn sAthame.n rahatA hai. samyagdarshan, j~nAn, chAritrANi (mokShamArga). lekin samyagdarshan kaise pragaT karanA? ki sachchA j~nAn kara. sachchA j~nAn kiye binA dR^iShTi kaise pragaT karanI, binA jAne?

mumukShuH- mAtAjI! j~nAnIke samyagdarshanako a.ntara.ng nimitta kahaneme.n AtA hai, usakA Ashay kyA hai?

samAdhAnaH- use a.ntarame.n parivartan ho gayA hai. a.ntarame.n usakI pUrI dashA palaT gayI aur usame.nse jo vANI nikalatI hai, vah vANI dUsareko nimitta hotI hai, isaliye use a.ntara.ng kAraN kahaneme.n AtA hai. jise andar pragaT huA hai, usIkI vANI nimitta banatI hai. isaliye use a.ntara.ng kAraN (kahate hai.n). dUsareko jo samyagdarshan hotA hai usame.n, jisane prApta kiyA hai unakI vANI nimitta banatI hai, isaliye a.ntara.ng kAraN kahaneme.n AtA hai. bAkI hai vah paradravya hai. to bhI use a.ntara.ng kAraN kahanekA kAraN ki jise a.ntara.ngame.n pragaT huA hai, usake sAth jo vANI hai, vah vANI nimitta banatI hai. is apekShAse use a.ntara.ng kAraN kahaneme.n AtA hai.

mumukShuH- j~nAnIkI vANI hI a.ntara.ng nimitta kahaneme.n AtI hai? isake sivA anya kisIkI vANIko a.ntara.ng nimitta nahI.n kahate?

samAdhAnaH- dUsarekI vANIko a.ntara.ng nimitta nahI.n kahate. jise a.ntara.ng dashA pragaT nahI.n huI hai, usakI vANIko a.ntara.ng nimitta nahI.n kahate. vyavahArase bhale usase jAne, lekin a.ntara.ng jo deshanA labdhi pragaT hotI hai, a.ntara.ngame.n samyagdarshan pragaT hotA hai, usame.n to jisane prApta kiyA hai unakI vANI hI nimitta hotI hai. usake sAth hI nimitta- naimittik sambandha hotA hai. use hI a.ntara.ng kAraN kahate hai.n, dUsareko nahI.n kahate.

mumukShuH- a.ntara.ng parivartan hotA hai isaliye use a.ntara.ng kAraN kahate hai.n? sAmanevAle jIvako a.ntara.ngame.n pariNaman hotA hai, isaliye a.ntara.ng kAraN kahate hai.n?

samAdhAnaH- use pariNaman ho, yahA.N a.ntara.ng dashA sAthame.n hotI hai aur use a.ntara.ng pariNaman (hotA hai). a.ntara.ng pariNaman ho, vANI kisako nimitta hotI hai? jisane prApta kiyA hai, unakI vANI hI nimitta hotI hai. use a.ntara.ng parivartan huA isaliye a.ntara.ng kAraN, vah to ThIk hai, lekin jisane prApta kiyA hai, usakI vANI hI nimitta banatI hai. isaliye use a.ntara.ng kAraN kahA hai. (prashamamUrti bhagavatI mAtano jay ho!)