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mumukShuH- sab prakArase ruchi ChUTakar, Apane kahA ki sab prakArase ruchi ChUTI nahI.n. sab prakArase ruchi nahI.n ChUTI hai, usame.n kyA samajhanA?

samAdhAnaH- andar shubharAgame.n ruchi rah gayI hai. shubhabhAvame.n gaharAIme.n use ruchi hai.

mumukShuH- bolatA to aisA hai ki shubharAg vikAr hai, doSh hai.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, vah sab bole. lekin a.ntarame.n usakI pariNatime.n akelA andar nivR^ittamay AtmA hI sukharUp hai, AtmAme.n hI sab hai, aisA bole, lekin a.ntarame.n shubharAg itanA to hotA hai na, chAhe jaise bhI use gaharAIme.n rah jAtA hai. kyA rah jAtA hai? shAstrame.n AtA hai ki vah kevalaj~nAnI jAne. parantu gaharAIme.n use ruchi rah jAtI hai. par padArthakI or gaharAIme.n ruchi rah jAtI hai.

mumukShuH- pravR^ittikI ruchi rah jAya.

samAdhAnaH- andar pravR^ittikI gaharI ruchi hai. parAshrayavAlI andar ruchi hai. parakI ora. shubharAgame.n kuCh ThIk hai, shubharAg mai.nne bahut kiyA isaliye mai.nne bahut kiyA hai, mai.nne bahut dharma kiyA hai, sab tyAg kiyA hai, dev-gurukI bhakti aur yah sab bahut kiyA hai, sab shAstro.nkA abhyAs kiyA hai. dravya-guN-paryAy mai.n to sab jAnatA hU.N. yah sab ThIk hai, aisA a.ntarame.n mai.nne bahut kar liyA hai, a.ntarame.n sa.ntuShTa ho gayA hai aur bAharakI ruchi andar paDI hai. a.ntarame.n sa.ntoSh A gayA hai. is vikalpase bhI merA svarUp bhinna hai. Uchchatam vikalpase bhI mai.n bhinna hU.N, andarame.n jo isakI ruchi honI chAhiye, vah ruchi a.ntarame.nse use hotI nahI.n.

mumukShuH- mAtAjI! bahut kaThin kAm hai.

samAdhAnaH- apanA svabhAv hai isaliye AsAn hai. aur anAdikA abhyAs hai isaliye kaThin hai. ChUTatA hai use ek kShaName.n ChUT jAtA hai, a.ntarmuhUrtame.n ChUT jAtA hai aur jise nahI.n ChUTatA hai use lAkho.n kroDo bhav parya.nt kriyAe.N karatA rahe to bhI ChUTatA nahI.n. aj~nAnI jo karma lAkh-kroD bhavame.n kShay karatA hai, vah j~nAnI ek shvAsamAtrame.n kShay karatA hai. svaya.nkA svabhAv hai isaliye sahaj hai, saral hai aur sugam hai. lekin bAharamakI ruchi lage to use ChoDanA mushkil hai. AtmAkA svabhAv hI nahI.n hai, parame.n

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rukanA vah AtmAkA svabhAv hI nahI.n. par or jAnA, usame.n use sukh hI nahI.n lage. vah usakA svabhAv hI nahI.n hai. jise yathArtha AtmArthItA ho use bAharame.n, a.ntarame.n gaharAIme.n AtmAke alAvA kahI.n sukh lage hI nahI.n, kyo.nki vah usakA svabhAv hI nahI.n. sachche AtmArthIko andar sab duHkh aur AkulatA hI lagatI hai. sachche AtmArthIko. kyo.nki vah usakA svabhAv nahI.n hai, isaliye use usame.n aTakanA posAtA nahI.n. parantu jise gaharAIme.n utanA AtmAkA prayojan nahI.n hai to vah usame.n ruk jAtA hai. kahI.n- kahI.n aTak jAtA hai.

usane mokSha kise mAn liyA hai? mai.nne sab ChoD diyA hai. munikI jo kriyAe.N hai.n, vah sab mai.n pAlatA hU.N. ChakAyakI rakShA, pa.nch mahAvrat pAlatA hU.N, barAbar shAstrakA abhyAs karatA hU.N aur barAbar jaisA hai vaisA pAlatA hU.N. usakI sab Avashyak kriyAe.N karatA hU.N. merA mokSha honevAlA hI hai. mokSha yahI.n hai. mai.n a.ntarase bhinna ho jAu.N, yah sab kriyAke vikalpase bhinna ho jAU.N, aisI ruchi a.ntarame.n hotI nahI.n. mokShake liye hI karatA hai. mokShakA svarUp yahI.n hai, aisA a.ntarame.n use gaharAIme.n yah laganA chAhiye. mai.n mokShasvarUp hI hU.N aur vibhAv pariNatime.n rukA hU.N, isaliye ba.ndhan hai. isaliye mujhe vibhAvase ChUTanA hai. a.ntarame.n use AnA chAhiye, to sachchA mokSha ho. ... ashubh pariNAm gauN hokar, ashubh pariNAmase mokSha hogA. shubhame.n aTakA hai.

mumukShuH- ashubhase mokSha hogA.

samAdhAnaH- ashubhase mokSha hogA.

mumukShuH- a.ntarame.n bhinna hU.N aur bhinna honA hai, dono.n bAt use...

samAdhAnaH- a.ntarame.n laganA chAhiye, mai.n bhinna hI hU.N. dravya merA bhinna hI hai, vibhAvame.n aTakA hai vahA.Nse ChUTanA hai. aisA a.ntarame.n laganA chAhiye. lekin jo ekase nahI.n ChUTA shubhase, vah vAstavikarUpase ashubhase nahI.n ChUTA hai.

mumukShuH- sab palaT jAyegA.

samAdhAnaH- palaT jAyegA. ... (mAlUm) paDe, svaya.nko mAlUm paDe lekin use andar khojanekI vR^itti, khojanekI lagI ho to (mAlUm) paDe na. sa.ntuShTa ho gayA ho to kahA.Nse paDe? sa.ntuShTa ho gayA ho use kahA.Nse mile? mai.nne to sab kar liyA hai, aise sa.ntoSh A gayA ho to kahA.Nse DhU.NDhe. jise sa.ntoSh nahI.n hai, shAstrame.n yah sab AtA hai ki munipanA pAlA to bhI dravyali.ngI muni ananta bAr graiveyak upajAyo, to bhI mokSha nahI.n huA, vah kyA hogA? is prakAr svaya.nko vichAr karanekA, svaya.nko apanI pariNatiko khojanekI paDI ho to svaya.n DhU.NDh sakatA hai. parantu svaya.nko apanI paDI nahI.n, sa.ntoSh A gayA ho to kahA.Nse DhU.NDhe? (sa.ntoSh) ho hI gayA hai.

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bahut log bhes lekar nahI.n kahate hai.n? apane to samyagdarshan hotA hI hai. samyagdarshan nahI.n hai? jain dharmako mAnate hai.n, itanA tyAg liyA to samyagdarshan hai hI, aisA bahut log mAn lete hai.n.

mumukShuH- ... mai.n samyagdR^iShTiko va.ndan karatA hU.N. munirAj vaise to samyagdR^iShTiko va.ndan kare nahI.n, para.ntu samyagdarshanakI mahimA batAyI...

samAdhAnaH- samyagdR^iShTiko va.ndan karatA hU.N arthAt va.ndan karatA hU.N, aisI bhAvanA kare, parantu va.ndan-namaskAr nahI.n hotA. aisA vyavahAr nahI.n karate. jisane kAraN tattva jAnA, AtmAko jAnA, us kAraN par dR^iShTi rakhanese jisame.n kArya AtA hai, aisA kAraN tattva jisane grahaN kiyA, jisane bhedaj~nAn aur svAnubhUti pragaT kI, use mai.n va.ndan karatA hU.N. jagatame.n sarvotkR^iShTa ho to AtmA chaitanya dravya hai, use jisane lakShyame.n liyA use va.ndan karatA hU.N. aisA kahakar svaya.nko mahimA AtI hai. bAkI use namaskArakA vyavahAr muni nahI.n karate.

mumukShuH- samyagdarshanakI mahimA darshAte hai.n.

samAdhAnaH- samyagdarshanakI mahimA darshAte hai.n. mokShamArga jo pragaT hotA hai, usake a.nshase lekar pUrNatA parya.nt sab Adar karane yogya hai, aisA kahanA chAhate hai.n. chaitanyatattva mahimAva.nt hai, usakA ek a.nsh bhI pragaT ho, a.nshase lekar munidashA parya.nt sab Adarane yogya, sab mahimAva.nt, sab namaskAr karane yogya hai, aisA kahanA chAhate hai.n.

Namo ariha.ntANa.n Adi AtA hai na? pa.nch parameShThI namaskAra. usame.n sab AchArya, upAdhyAy, munirAj jo baDe muni hote hai.n, ChoTe muni sab A jAte hai.n, un sabako mai.n namaskAr karatA hU.N. aise navakAr bole usame.n sab A jAtA hai. lekin namaskArakA vyavahAr nahI.n karate. Namo loe savva sAhUNa.n, sab muniko namaskAr karatA hU.N. navakAr bole isaliye usame.n sab muni A jAte hai.n. lekin baDe muni ho.n, ve ChoTe muniko namaskArako vyavahAr nahI.n karate.

mumukShuH- hame.n adhikase adhik kitane bhavame.n samyagdarshan prApta ho sakatA hai? yA vartamAn bhavame.n bhI ho sakatA hai?

samAdhAnaH- kitane bhavame.n ho sakatA hai? vartamAn bhavame.n bhI ho sakatA hai, puruShArtha kare to is bhavame.n bhI ho sakatA hai. aur dUsare bhavame.n bhI ho sakatA hai. jab puruShArtha kare tab ho sakatA hai. use kahI.n kAl nahI.n lAgU paDatA. jo puruShArtha kare, apanI yogyatA taiyAr kare aur chaitanyatattvako grahaN kare to is bhavame.n bhI kar sakatA hai aur dUsare bhavame.n bhI kar sakatA hai. jab taiyArI kare tab ho sakatA hai.

mumukShuH- samayakI maryAdA nahI.n hai?

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samAdhAnaH- samayakI maryAdA nahI.n hai. gurudevane aisA mArga batAyA, use svaya.n grahaN karake puruShArtha kare, ek j~nAyak tattva hI grahaN karane jaisA hai. usakI pariNati abhI bhI pragaT kar sakate hai.n aur bhaviShyame.n bhI kar sakate hai.n. abhI karate-karate utanA puruShArtha nahI.n chale to bAra.nbAr usakA abhyAs kare, bAra.nbAr jij~nAsA kare, bhAvanA kare ki j~nAyak hI AdaraNIy hai, gurudevane kahA vahI mArga Adarane yogya hai. chaitanyakA dravya- guN-paryAy kyA hai, use pahachAnanekA prayatna kare. yah vibhAv kyA hai? svabhAv kyA hai? sabako pahachAnanekA prayatna kare. ek chaitanya hI AdaraNIy hai, dUsarA kuCh AdaraNIy nahI.n hai. aisI bAra.nbAr bhAvanA kare. aisA karate-karate usame.n gahare sa.nskAr paDe to dUsare bhavame.n bhI kar sakatA hai. use kAlakI maryAdA nahI.n hai. apanI mandatAke kAraN aTakatA hai. svaya.n puruShArtha kare to hotA hai. aisA anajAnA mArga milanA mushkil, gurudevane batAyA. vah mArga koI apUrva mArga hai. usakI mahimA Aye, AtmAkA svarUp koI apUrva hai, anupam hai, vah kaise prApta ho, gaharI ruchi kare to ho sakatA hai.

mumukShuH- bAharake viShayame.n itane ekamek ho jAte hai.n ki isame.n ruchi sthir honeme.n bahut .. lagatA hai.

samAdhAnaH- der lagatI hai. usame.nse bhI bAra.nbAr prayatna karatA rahe. vahA.Nse ruchi svaya.nkI or lAnekA bAra.nbAr prayatna karatA rahe. karane jaisA yahI hai, aisA nirNay kare, shraddhA kare, bAra.nbAr prayatna karake palaTe. palaTe binA ChUTakArA nahI.n hai. vah ek upAy hai. svaya.n palaTe binA shAntikA dUsarA koI upAy nahI.n hai. shAntikA upAy svaya.nko hI palaTanA hai. koI nahI.n kar detA, svaya.nko hI palaTanA hai. gurudevane mArga darshAyA. dev-guru-shAstra sab nimitta banate haiai.n. karanA svaya.nko hI hai. sarva dravyakI svata.ntratA batAyI hai. tU kar to ho sake aisA hai. tujhe koI rokatA nahI.n. karmakA uday tuje jabarajastI rokatA nahI.n. tU kar to ho sake aisA hai.

mumukShuH- karmakA bahAnA nikAle vah bhI galat hai.

samAdhAnaH- galat hai. karma rokatA nahI.n, karma to nimitta hai. svaya.n puruShArtha kare to karma use ADe nahI.n Ate. karma bhI badal jAte hai.n, svaya.n puruShArtha kare to.

mumukShuH- kramabaddhakA bahut shikShaN diyA hai. ... bahut parichay thA na, isaliye kramabaddhake pustakake AdhArase .. hai.

samAdhAnaH- kramabaddhako puruShArthake sAth sambandha hai. puruShArtha binAkA kramabaddha hotA nahI.n. svaya.n ruchi palaTe, puruShArtha kare, apanI or Aye, usakA kramabaddha us prakArakA hotA hai. lekin svaya.n palaTatA nahI.n aur bAharame.n ruchi karake baiThA hai, to usakA kramabaddha us prakArakA hotA hai. jise bAharakI ruchi hai usakA kramabaddha us prakArakA hai. apanI

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or ruchi kare use us prakArakA kramabaddha hotA hai. apanI ruchiko koI kramabaddha rokatA nahI.n.

jij~nAsu, jise a.ntarame.n lagI hai, a.ntarame.n mujhe kahI.n chain nahI.n paDatI, mujhe AtmA hI chAhiye, aisI jise a.ntarame.nse lagI ho, use aisA (nahI.n) hotA ki mai.n kyA karu.N, mujhe a.ntarame.n to jAnA hai, lekin yah kramabaddha mujhe rok rahA hai. use andar bhAvanA hotI hI nahI.n. mai.n aisA puruShArtha karu ki merA kramabaddha aisA hI ho. merA puruShArthake kAraN,... mujhe yah chAhiye hI nahI.n, kramabaddha jo bhI ho, para.ntu mujhe to palaTanA hI hai. apanI ruchi is or jAgR^it huyI to usakA kramabaddha us prakArakA hA hI hotA hai. puruShArthake sAth kramabaddhakA sambandha juDA hai.

jij~nAsuko kramabaddhakA bahAnA aur bachAv AtA hI nahI.n. jise lagI hai ki mujhe merA hI karanA hai, kahI.n nahI.n aTakanA hai, use kramabaddhakA vichAr nahI.n AtA. merA kramabaddha aisA hai ki mai.n apanI or jhuku. mujhe kramabaddha nahI.n rokatA. kyA karu.N, kaise karu.N, mujhase hotA nahI.n, aisA kramabaddha hogA to mai.n kyA karu.NgA? gurudevane svata.ntratA kahI hai.

kramabaddha to kartAbuddhi ChuDAneke liye hai. tU j~nAyak ho jA, aisA gurudev kahate hai.n. tU kuCh nahI.n kar sakatA, tU j~nAyak ho jA. j~nAyak ho jA. kartAbuddhi ChoD de, j~nAtApanA pragaT kara. phir jaise honA hogA vaise hotA hai. j~nAyak ho jA. j~nAyakame.n sab A jAtA hai. j~nAyak ho jA, usame.n apanA puruShArtha A gayA. j~nAyak honevAleko apanA puruShArtha A jAtA hai.

mumukShuH- kevalI bhagavAnane ananta bhav dekhe ho.nge vaisA hogA, aise nahI.n dekhatA.

samAdhAnaH- bhagavAnane ananta bhav dekhe ho.nge to? tU puruShArtha kar to bhagavAnane tere bhav dekhe hI nahI.n. tU puruShArtha karatA nahI.n, tujhe karanA nahI.n hai to terA aisA hI dekhA hai. tU puruShArtha kar to bhagavAn aisA hI dekhe kI puruShArtha karanevAleko bhav hote hI nahI.n. tU karatA nahI.n isaliye bhagavAnake j~nAname.n aisA AtA hai, tU kar to bhagavAnake j~nAname.n aisA hI Aye ki terA mokSha hai. tujhe hI karanA hai.

mumukShuH- ananta bhav dekhe ho.nge to kyA ek bhI kam hogA? Apake dekhe ho.nge, mere nahI.n dekhe hai.n. aisI shraddhA? mujhe Apake sAth nahI.n rahanA hai. bhAg gaye. phir shrAvak le Aye, mahArAj! chaliye! aisI shraddhAvAlo.nke sAth mujhe rahanA hI nahI.n hai.

samAdhAnaH- gurudevakA kramabaddha kahanekA Ashay alag hI thA. gurudev, jaisA honA hogA vaisA hogA, aisA kuCh mAnate hI nahI.n the ki bhagavAnane dekhA hogA vaisA hogA. bhagavAnane aise bhav dekhe ho.nge to? puruShArtha kare usake bhav aise dekhe nahI.n hai bhagavAnane.

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gurudevako kramabaddhame.n aisA nahI.n kahanA thA. unakA kartAbuddhi ChuDAnekA abhiprAy thA. tU j~nAyak ho jA, aisA kahanA thA.

tU paradravyakA kuCh badal nahI.n sakatA. tU kartAbuddhi ChoD de, j~nAyak ho jA, aisA kahanA thA. sahaj pariNati terI apanI pragaT kar le. kartR^itvabuddhi ChoD de, aisA kahanA thA. kramabaddhako puruShArthake sAth sambandha hai. akelA kramabaddha nahI.n hotA. usame.n svabhAv, kAl ityAdi sab sAthame.n hai. akelA kramabaddha nahI.n hotA. puruShArthake sAth sambandha rakhatA hai. jaisA jisakA puruShArtha vaisA usakA kramabaddha. puruShArthakI gati kaisI hai? svaya.n puruShArtha karanevAleko mai.n karu.N, aisA AtA hai. jaisA honA hogA vaisA hogA. aisA use sa.ntoSh hI nahI.n hotA. jise AtmAkI lagI hai, usame.n vah sa.ntoSh mAn hI nahI.n sakatA. jise AtmAkI lagI ho, vah aisA nahI.n mAnatA hai ki kramabaddha hogA to kaise hogA? use sa.ntoSh hI nahI.n hotA.

AtmArthIko andarase aisA hotA hai ki mai.n karu.N, kaise samajhu? kaise j~nAyak pahachAname.n Aye? aisI hI bhAvanA use hotI rahe. kramabaddhake sAmane dekhatA hI nahI.n. merI aisI bhAvanA hai to merA kramabaddha sulaTA hI hai. mokShakI orakA hai. aisI hI use shraddhA hotI hai. kramabaddhase svaya.nko sa.ntoSh hI nahI.n hotA.

mumukShuH- use aisA hotA hai ki abhI kar lU.N, jaldI ho jAy to karu.N, abhI hotA ho to mujhe thoDI bhI rAh nahI.n dekhanI hai, aisI bhAvanA hotI hai.

samAdhAnaH- aisI bhAvanA andar honI chAhiye. phir hove kitanA vah dUsarI bAt hai, lekin bhAvanA aisI honI chAhiye.

mumukShuH- gurudev sau jahAjakA dR^iShTA.nt dete the. seThane sunA, sau jahAj Ate the, usame.nse 99 DUb gaye hai.n, ek bachA hai. vah merA hI hogA. utanI puNyame.n shraddhA.

samAdhAnaH- yahA.N to puruShArtha hai. mujhe AtmA prApta hue binA sa.ntoSh nahI.n hai. aisA jise ho, use aisA hI hotA hai ki merA kramabaddha to mokShakI or, AtmAkI orakA hai.

bAharake uday jaise hone hote hai.n, vaise hote hai.n. use svaya.n badal nahI.n sakatA. a.ntarakI j~nAyakadashA pragaT karanI vah apane puruShArthakI bAt hai. j~nAyakadashA, usakI j~nAtAdhArA hotI hai. isaliye vibhAvakI pariNati andar hai use uday kahate hai.n, udayadhArA. usakI kartAbuddhi ChUT gayI isaliye usakA artha aisA nahI.n hai ki vah svataH hotI hai. mere puruShArthakI mandatAse hotI hai. use andar j~nAn hai. jaise honA hogA vaisA hogA, aise j~nAnIkI j~nAtAdhArAme.n aisA nahI.n hai. a.ntarame.nse koI achi.ntya j~nAn-vairAgyakI shakti pragaT huyI hai. isaliye puruShArtha binAkA kramabaddha vahA.N bhI nahI.n liyA jAtA. vibhAvadhArAme.n bhI. usake puruShArthakI mandatA

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hai. puruShArthakI kShati har jagah juDI hotI hai.

mumukShuH- j~nAnIko j~nAtAdhArA pragaT huyI hai, usakA artha aisA nahI.n hai ki udayame.n vah vivek nahI.n karatA hai. aisA Apako kahanA hai?

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, vah udayakA vivek nahI.n karatA hai, aisA artha nahI.n hai. matalab bAharakA kramabaddha aur udayadhArAkA kramabaddha, usame.n puruShArthakA sambandha hai, aisA vahA.N artha nahI.n hai. use vivek hai ki mere puruShArthakI mandatAse yah hotA hai.

mumukShuH- vahA.N bhI ashubh ChoDakar pravartatA hai aur use bhAn bhI hai ki sab kramabaddha hai.

samAdhAnaH- .. aur puruShArtha uThatA ho to mujhe yah kuCh nahI.n chAhiye. mere puruShArthakI mandatAse khaDA hU.N. uday hai, uday hai, aisA nahI.n hai use.