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mumukShuH- tab Ap aisA kahate the ki AtmAme.n j~nAnashakti aisI hai ki pUrI samajhan karake apanI mahimA lA sake, aisI shakti usame.n paDI hI hai. shraddhA bhI aisI hai ki chAhe jo ho...

samAdhAnaH- shraddhAguN hai vah ananta balase bharapUr hai. pUrA brahmANDa badal jAy to bhI vah usakI shraddhAse Dige nahI.n, aisA usame.n shraddhAguN hai. apane dravyako grahaN kiyA, aisA grahaN karatA hai ki phir kisIse Dige nahI.n. aisA shraddhAme.n ananta bal hai.

j~nAname.n aisI ana.ntI shakti hai ki svaya.n a.ntarame.nse nakkI kare phir use koI badal nahI.n sakatA. jAnanevAlA guN aisA hai ki vah sabako jAn sake. jAnaneme.n nahI.n jAnanA aisA AtA hI nahI.n. pUrNa jAne aisI ananta shakti j~nAname.n bharI hai. aur shraddhAme.n bhI vaisA ananta bal bharA hai. j~nAname.n bhI aisA ananta bal bharA hai. pratyek shakti ananta balase bharapUr hai. aise ananta balase bharapUr na ho to use guN hI nahI.n kahate. anAdiananta vastu jo svaya.nsiddha hai, usame.n jo guN ho vah ananta balase bharapUr hI hote hai.n.

mumukShuH- a.ntame.n Apane karuNApUrvak kahA ki pariNati to tujhe hI badalanI hai. yah sab hai, kintu karanA to tujhe hai.

samAdhAnaH- tujhe svaya.nko hI karanA hai. pariNati to koI badal nahI.n detA, svaya.n hI badale to hotA hai. vikalpase shraddhA kare, j~nAnase jAne, lekin andarame.n jo pariNati karanI hai, vah to svaya.nko hI karanI paDatI hai.

.. Ashray liyA so liyA, vah shraddhAguN svaya.n aisA hai ki ChUTe nahI. koI use ChuDA nahI.n sakatA. j~nAname.n bhI aisA bal hai. yathArtha j~nAn pragaT ho, us j~nAnako koI badal nahI.n sakatA. aur lInatA bhI, svarUpakI or jo lInatA pragaT kI, us lInatAko DigAneko koI samartha nahI.n hai. svaya.nke puruShArthakI mandatAse ho to ho, bAkI use koI kuCh nahI.n kar sakatA. lInatAkA guN jo andarase pragaT huA, svarUpame.n lIn huA, us lInatAko koI nahI.n DigA sakatA. j~nAyakakI pariNati jo pragaT huyI, use koI badal nahI.n sakatA.

svaya.n apaneme.n ananta balase bharapUr hai. vaise bAhar gayA to use koI badal nahI.n

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sakatA. svaya.n badale aur svaya.n j~nAyakakA Ashray le to hotA hai. dev-guru-shAstra sab nimitta mahA balavAn hote hai.n. parantu upAdAn svaya.nkA hotA hai. yadi svaya.n taiyAr nahI.n ho aur yadi svaya.n grahaN na kare to nimitta nimittarUpase nimittame.n rah jAtA hai. bAkI svaya.n grahaN kare to hotA hai. puruShArthame.n bal AtA hai. vah bal tujhe hI pragaT karanA hai.

... bhAv to andar laganI laganI chAhiye na. dUsarI laganI... bhavakA abhAv kaise ho? laganI to ek hI hotI hai. itane sAl bIt gaye, ab itane sAl bItaneme.n kahA.N der lagegI? aisA hotA thA. pa.ndrah gaye, itane gaye, bIs, pachIs honeme.n kahA.N der lagegI? abhI to kuCh hotA nahI.n hai. kyA abhI bhI paribhramaN karanA hai? abhI duHkh kyo.n nahI.n lagatA hai? yah sab kyo.n? yah sab kyA? abhI paribhramaNakI thakAn kyo.n nahI.n lagatI? vibhAvase kaise ChUTanA?

mumukShuH- bachapanase hI vahI laganI.

mumukShuH- usI prakArake hI vikalpa Ate rahate hai.n.

samAdhAnaH- vikalpa nahI.n, bhAvanA. bhAvanAke sAth vikalpa to hote hai.n. bhAvanA us jAtakI, laganI us jAtakI. khAte-pIte, jAgate-sote, svapname.n ek hI laganI, dUsarI koI laganI nahI.n thI. kahI.n chain nahI.n paDe.

vahA.N jAtI thI, kabhIkabhAr vA.nkAnerake apAsareme.n jAtI thI. vahA.N bhI jAtI thI. poShA karatI thI, ek-do bAr kiye the. vahA.N pUrA din nivR^itti mile na? isaliye vahA.N baiThatI. apasArAme.n ek or kamarA thA, vahA.N baiThatI thI. phir bAhar nikalU.N tab dUsare koI ho usake sAth bAtachIt karatI. bAkI khAs koI bAt nahI.n karatI thI.

mumukShuH- kaun-sA darshan satya hai, usIkI jha.nkhanA thI.

samAdhAnaH- satya kaun-sA hai? satya kyA hai? gurudev kahate the vahI satya lagatA thA. andarase pahachAnakar, gurudev svabhAv kahate hai.n vahI satya hai. parantu nirNay karaneke liye vichAr to svaya.nko Ate hai.n.

mumukShuH- bahinashrI! jAtismaraN kitane sAl bAd huA?

samAdhAnaH- 1989kI sAlame.n huA na, phir 1993kI sAlame.n. chAr sAl bAda.

mumukShuH- mAtAjI! ek hI vichAr..

samAdhAnaH- vichAr nahI.n Ate hai.n, vah vichArase thoDe hI hotA hai. vichArase nahI.n hotA. andar AtmAme.n-svarUpakI lInatA karate-karate sahaj AtA hai, vah koI vichArase nahI.n AtA. AtmAkI ekAgratA AtmAme.n karate-karate vah bIchame.n AtA hai. vichArase nahI.n. sahaj A jAtA hai.

mumukShuH- ..

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samAdhAnaH- vah sab bAte.n karane kahA.N baiThI hU.N. sab sahaj hai. andar Aye to bAhar.. gurudevakA aur sabakA Aye.

mumukShuH- gurudevane hI kahA hai,..

samAdhAnaH- gurudevane to bahut kahA hai, parantu merI jabAnase nahI.n kahanA hotA.

mumukShuH- hame to kabhI..

samAdhAnaH- lekin vah to Ap sabako mAlUm hI hai, nayA kyA kahanA hai?

mumukShuH- abhI to bahut bAkI hai, bahan! abhI to ek rUpayame.n chAr AnA bhI bAhar nahI.n AyA hai.

samAdhAnaH- gurudevane kahA hai ki gurudev bhagavAn-tIrtha.nkar honevAle hai.n. vah sab to bAhar AyA hI hai.

mumukShuH- bahinashrI! abhI to yahA.N aisI bhI bAt chalatI thI ki gurudev sAkShAt padhArate hai.n.

samAdhAnaH- sab aisA hI bolate hai.n. sab bAte.n hai.n.

mumukShuH- gurudev tIn lokako AhvAn karate hai.n, aise svapna..

samAdhAnaH- gurudevako svapna AtA thA. gurudevako svapna Ate the ki mai.n tIrtha.nkar hU.N. mai.n tIrtha.nkar honevAlA hU.N. aise sab svapna (Ate the). gurudevako OM dhvani svaya.nko AtI thI. vah unako AtA thA. mujhe to mAlUm bhI nahI.n thA ki gurudevako aise svapna Ate hai.n. mujhe mAlUm nahI.n thA. gurudevako to Ate the, mujhe to bAdame.n AyA. gurudevako tIrtha.nkar honeke svapna Ate the. pahalI bAr OM vahA.N AyA, dUsarI bAr umarAlA aur tIsarI bAr vi.nChIyAme.n. vi.nChIyAme.n thoDA jyAdA AyA. pahalI shurUAt vA.nkAner, phir umArAlA, phir vi.nChIyA.

mumukShuH- bahinashrI! kundakundasvAmI to ekadam pratyakSha dikhAI dete ho.nge na.

samAdhAnaH- jo smaraName.n Aye vah to aise hI Aye na.

mumukShuH- munikA svarUp nagna hI hotA hai, usake liye to koI.. vah to ekadam vishvAsapUrvak..

samAdhAnaH- usakA to koI prashna hI nahI.n hai. vah to videhakShetrame.n dhokh mArga chal rahA hai. munio.nke jhu.nD jahA.N vicharate hai.n.

mumukShuH- sIma.ndhar bhagavAn kaise virAjate hai.n.

samAdhAnaH- sAkShAt sIma.ndhar bhagavAn virAjate hai.n, bhagavAnakI divyadhvani ChUT rahI hai.

mumukShuH- bahinashrI! itanI pratiShThAe.N huyI, usame.n..

samAdhAnaH- pratimA vaisI laganI to mushkil hai. sAkShAt bhagavAnakI to kyA bAt

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karanI!

mumukShuH- phir bhI koI AkR^iti vaisI A gayI ho ki itane pratimAjIme.n yah ek pratimAjI aise lagate hai.n ki mAno sIma.ndhar bhagavAn ho.

samAdhAnaH- pA.Nchasau dhanuShakA deh aur vah AkR^iti, sAkShAt bhagavAn jIva.nt mUrti, vah sab AkR^iti AnI mushkil hai. nAsAgra dR^iShTi, dhyAn mudrA, divya mudrA, yahA.N sonagaDhame.n hI vaisI hai. to bhI sAkShAt to sAkShAt hI hotI hai.

mumukShuH- phir bhI vA.nkAnerame.n pratimAjI hai.n..

samAdhAnaH- videhakShetrame.n virAjate bhagavAn yahA.N thoDe hI A jAte hai.n. samavasaraName.n virAjamAn, sAkShAt divyadhvani.. lekin vah to jinapratimA jin sarikhA, kahate hai.n na? jinapratimA bhI jin sarikhA kahalAtI hai.

mumukShuH- gurudev kahate the na, bahan to yahA.N baiThakar videhake bhagavAnake darshan karatI hai. bharatame.n hai ki videhame.n hai, bhUl jAtI hai.

samAdhAnaH- bhagavAnane hI kahA hai ki yah rAjakumAr tIrtha.nkar honevAle hai.n. bhagavAnakI vANIme.n AyA hai. tIrtha.nkar jagatame.n sarvotkR^iShTa hote hai.n. bhagavAnakI ratnamay pratimAe.N, aisA jagatame.n kudaratI tIrtha.nkarakI pratimAe.N ratnarUp ho jAtI hai.n. jagatame.n sarvotkR^iShTa ho.n to tIrtha.nkar bhagavAn hI hai.

mumukShuH- ma.ngala.n bhagavAn vIro, ma.ngala.n gautamo gaNI, ma.ngala.n kundakundAryo..

samAdhAnaH- gurudevakA svapna thA, tIn lokako AhvAn karate hai.n. tIn lokako. tIn lokako kaun AhvAn kare? jo tInalokase U.NchA ho vaha. ao re.. Ao! hitake liye Ao! tIn lokako kaun AhvAn kare? gurudevake svapna bhI aise.

mumukShuH- jo tIrtha.nkar ho vahI kare na.

samAdhAnaH- tIn lokako AhvAn kaun kare? .. mArga chalatA hai, vah diga.nbar mArga (chalatA hai). munio.nke jhu.nDake jhu.nD videhakShetrame.n hai.n. mujhe mAlUm nahI.n thA ki gurudev mAnate hai.n. unako kahanese kyA lAbh? apane to aisA vichAr Aye. gurudev aise hI thoDA mAn le. gurudevako svaya.nko hI andar thA ki mai.n tIrtha.nkar honevAlA hU.N. bhagavAnakI bAt sunakar utsAh to Aye na. trilokInAthane TIkA lagAyA, ab kyA chAhiye? utanA utsAh thA.

mumukShuH- ..

samAdhAnaH- trilokInAthane TIkA lagAyA, ab kyA chAhiye? bhagavAnane kahA tIrtha.nkar honevAle hai.n. arthAt trilokInAthane TIkA lagAyA, ab kyA chAhiye?

mumukShuH- tIrtha.nkar honevAle hai.n, aisA mAtAjIne kahA to gurudevako aisA ho gayA..

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samAdhAnaH- bAhar kisIko nahI.n kahate the.

mumukShuH- sukh chAhiye, to chaitanyakI mUl R^iddhi sukh hai yA j~nAn hai? pUrNa j~nAn binA pUrNa sukh hotA nahI.n. to sukhake liye j~nAnakA AdhAr hai?

samAdhAnaH- jIv sukhako chAhatA hai. parantu sukhake liye prayojanabhUt j~nAnakI AvashyakatA hai. j~nAnakI R^iddhi, j~nAnaguN mukhya AtmAkA hai. parantu R^iddhike liye prayatna nahI.n karanA hai. jIv sukhako chAhatA hai. adhik jAnanA, lokAlok pratyakSha jAnaneme.n Aye, aisI R^iddhike liye prayatna nahI.n karanA hai. j~nAnaguN mukhya hai aur jIvakA sukhaguN bhI visheSh guN hai. to bhI j~nAn mukhya hone par bhI R^iddhike liye prayatna karanekA mokShamArgame.n nahI.n hotA.

AtmAko andar chain nahI.n paDatI, use duHkh hotA hai, isaliye sukhake liye prayatna chalatA hai. j~nAnake liye prayatna nahI.n hotA, parantu mukhya prayojanabhUt jo tattva hai use jAne. mai.n kaun hU.N? yah vibhAv kyA hai? prayojanabhUt jAne to phir usame.n jyAdA jAnanekI AvashyakatA nahI.n hai. jAnanekI AvashyakatA nahI.n hai, parantu shAstrame.n AtA hai, pahale vItarAgatA hotI hai, phir sarvaj~natA hotI hai. pUrNa j~nAn honeke bAd pUrNa sukh hotA hai, aisA nahI.n hai. pahale vItarAgatA ho, phir j~nAn hotA hai. mukhya puruShArtha karanA hai, vah j~nAyakako pahachAnakar vItarAgatA pragaT karanekA hai. shraddhAke sAth vItarAgatA pragaT karanI hai. j~nAnake liye prayatna nahI.n karanA hai. jyAdA jAnaneke liye, R^iddhike liye prayatna nahI.n karanA hotA hai.

shAstrame.n AtA hai, shrImad kahate hai.n, jise jainakA kevalaj~nAn bhI nahI.n chAhiye, use prabhu kaunasA pad de.nge? isaliye kevalaj~nAnake liye prayatna nahI.n karanA hotA hai. ek j~nAyakako pahachAnakar dR^iShTi ek AtmA par rakhakar, mati-shrut, avadhi, manaHparyay aur keval, use vR^iddhigat karanekI AvashyakatA nahI.n hai. vah to bIchame.n lInatA nahI.n ho tabatak sAdhakadashA hotI hai, tabatak mati-shrut bIchame.n AtA hai. kevalaj~nAn pragaT karu.N, avadhij~nAn pragaT karu.N, manaHparyayaj~nAn, mati-shrut aur kevalaj~nAn pragaT karu.N, kevalaj~nAn pragaT karanekA koI prayatna nahI.n hotA hai. us par-kevalaj~nAn par dR^iShTi nahI.n hotI.

andar svarUpame.n shraddhAke sAth lInatA ho, vItarAgatA ho to sahaj j~nAn pragaT hotA hai. R^iddhi par dR^iShTi hotI hI nahI.n. bAhyakI sab R^iddhi to, "rajakaN ke R^iddhi vaimAnik devanI, sarve mAnyA pudagal ek svabhAv jo.' aur andarakI chaitanya R^iddhi j~nAname.n jAne ki AtmAme.n koI alaukik j~nAn R^iddhi hai, anupam Ananda hai, ananta shaktiyA.N hai. parantu sAdhanAme.n aise rAgake vikalpa yA aisI lAlasAke vikalpa nahI.n hote. use a.ntarame.nse ek shA.nti chAhiye. shA.nti kaise pragaT ho? basa. mujhe AtmAme.nse-svabhAvame.nse, merA svabhAv kyA hai, aise tattvako pahachAnakar mujhe svabhAvame.nse shA.nti, vItarAgatA, merA j~nAn, merA

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j~nAyakadev mujhe kaise pragaT ho? aisI usakI bhAvanA hotI hai. use ana.nt shaktiyo.nke vikalpa aur kaise jyAdA jAnU.N, us prakArakA prayatna sAdhakadashAme.n nahI.n hotA hai. ek AtmAko jAne isaliye sab A jAtA hai. usame.n use bAhar jyAdA jAnanekI jarUrat nahI.n paDatI.

mumukShuH- sukhake liye vItarAgatA..?

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, sukhake liye vItarAgatA. prayojanabhUt j~nAn pahale hotA hai. pahale AtmAko jAne. prayojanabhUt j~nAn hotA hai. phir usame.n sukhake liye vItarAgatAkI jarUrat hai, j~nAnakI jarUrat nahI.n hai. jo vItarAg ho, usame.n sa.npUrNa shA.nti, Ananda, sukh sab usIme.n-vItarAgatAme.n hI hai. prayojanabhUt j~nAn hotA hai. j~nAnaguN AtmAkA hai, vah to sahaj pragaT ho jAtA hai. vItarAgatA ho isaliye j~nAn sahaj pragaT hotA hai. j~nAn svako jAne aur (parako bhI jAne). svaparaprakAshak j~nAn sahaj pragaT hotA hai. use pragaT karane nahI.n jAnA paDatA.

dR^iShTiko avalmaban ek j~nAyakakA hotA hai. usakI dR^iShTi mati, shrut, avadhi, manaHparyay, kevalaj~nAnake bhedame.n nahI.n rukatI. j~nAname.n jAne ki, yah mati, shrut, avadhi kShayopashamaj~nAnake bhed, kShAyikake bhed (jAne), lekin usame.n vah rukatA nahI.n. dR^iShTime.n kisI bhI prakArakA bhed nahI.n hotA. sa.npUrNa vItarAg hotA hai, vah sa.npUrNa sarvaj~na hotA hai.

mumukShuH- he bhagavatI mAtAjI! samyakaj~nAnIko nira.ntar j~nAnadhArA hotI hai. upayog bAharame.n ho tab bhI bhedaj~nAnakI dhArA chAlU hai, vah kaise sa.nbhavit hai? yah kR^ipA karake hame.n samajhAiye.

samAdhAnaH- upayog bAhar ho to bhI j~nAnakI dhArA-j~nAnakI pariNati rahatI hai. upayog bAhar ho aur pariNati j~nAyakakI ho, usame.n koI virodh nahI.n hai. j~nAyakakI dhArA andar chalatI ho. ekatvabuddhi TUT gayI hai aur bhedaj~nAnakI dhArA vartatI hai. j~nAyakakI j~nAyakarUp dhArA pratikShaN jo-jo vikalpa Aye, vibhAvakI paryAy ho, to usame.n use bhedaj~nAnakI dhArA (chalatI hI rahatI hai). svaya.n bhinna hI bhinna, nyArA hI nyArA rahatA hai. dR^iShTi ek j~nAyak par hai, pariNati j~nAyakakI hai. pratikShaN vah bhinna hI bhinna, pratyek kAryame.n vah nyArA hI nyArA rahatA hai.

khAte-pIte, sote, svapname.n sabame.n vah nyArA hI nyArA rahatA hai. aisI j~nAyakakI pariNati rahatI hai. upayog bhale bAhar ho, bAharake kAyAme.n ho. bAhar gayA aur bAharakA jAne to andar khaNDa-khaNDa ho jAtA hai, aisA nahI.n hai. vah to akhaNDa j~nAyak hai. kShayopashamaj~nAnake kAraN usakA jo mUl svabhAv j~nAyak pariNati hai, usame.n koI khaNDa nahI.n hotA. j~nAyakakI pariNati har vakta maujUd hotI hai.

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chAhe jaisA rAjA ho, chakravartI ho, laukik kAyAme.n ho, rAjake kAyAme.n ho, to bhI pariNati to bhinna nyArI kI nyArI rahatI hai. prashasta bhAvo.nme.n ho. chakravartIko baDI pUjA Adike prakAr ho, dev-guru-shAstrakI prabhAvanAkA prasa.ng ho, to bhI usakI pariNati nyArIkI nyArI hotI hai. ekatvabuddhi nahI.n hotI. ashubhabhAvase bachaneko shubhabhAvame.n juDe to bhI j~nAyakakI pariNati to use bhinna hI bhinna hotI hai. j~nAyakakI pariNatiko aur upayogako koI virodh nahI.n hai. j~nAyakakI pariNati chAlU hI hotI hai aur upayog bAhar hotA hai. koI bAr upayog palaTakar svAnubhUtime.n jAtA hai aur bAhar Aye, to bhI j~nAyakakI pariNati use har samay chAlU hai. usame.n use virodh nahI.n hai.

mumukShuH- bahinashrI! pariNati trayAtmak hai yA j~nAnAtmak hai? samAdhAnaH- prayAtmak? mumukShuH- trayAtmak-tIno.n. j~nAn, darshan, chAritra tIno.n pariNatime.n hai? samAdhAnaH- j~nAyakakI pariNati shraddhA, j~nAn aur gR^ihasthAshramame.n A.nshik svarUp ramaNatA hai. ana.ntAnuba.ndhIkA jo kaShAy TUT gayA hai, isaliye A.nshik svarUpAcharaNachAritra hai. isaliye darshan, j~nAn, chAritra (tIno.n hai.n). paddhatike hisAbase chAritra nahI.n kah sakate, parantu svarUpAcharaNachAritra amuk a.nshame.n lInatA apaneme.n hai. ekatvabuddhikI lInatA TUT gayI isaliye a.ntarame.n j~nAyak pariNatikI lInatA A.nshik hai. parantu use paddhatike hisAbase chAritrakI lInatA to pA.NchavA guNasthAn aur ChaTThA-sAtavA.N guNasthAn Aye, tab paddhati-shAstra paddhati anusAr tab chAritra kahalAtA hai. bAkI use lInatA hai, andar j~nAyak pariNatime.n tIno.n hai.n. j~nAyakame.n shraddhA, j~nAyakakA Ashray shraddhAme.n, j~nAnakA Ashray, j~nAn bhI usame.n aur lInatA bhI usame.n hai.