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mumukShuH- .. yathArtha j~nAn to usake sAth hotA hI hai. parantu isake atirikta yah hitarUp aur ahitarUp, arthAt sukh aur duHkh, AshrayakI apekShAse jo hitarUp hai vah mai.n hU.N, jo hitarUp nahI.n hai vah sab mujhase bhinna hai. arthAt utpAd-vyay bhI is apekShAse .. kyo.nki usakA Ashray karane jAy to vahA.N bhI use vikalpa utpanna hotA hai, duHkh utpanna hotA hai. j~nAyakakA Ashray kare to use jo prayojan prApta karanA hai, sukh aur shA.nti prApta hote hai.n. is prakAr jo shraddhAme.n bal AtA hai, j~nAname.n to..

samAdhAnaH- vichAr karaneme.n to koI dikkat nahI.n hai. ek dravyakA hI Ashray liyA, ek dravya hI AshrayabhUt hai. paryAy to AshrayabhUt nahI.n hai. parantu use j~nAname.n bhale khyAlame.n hai ki dravya aur paryAy dono.n dravyakA hI rUp hai. dravya hI hai. parantu jo shAshvat TikanevAlA hai vah AshrayarUp hai. aur vah hitarUp is prakAr hai ki usakA Ashray lenese paryAyame.n nirmalatA AtI hai. parantu jo utpAd hotA hai, vah sarvathA ahitarUp nahI.n hai. use j~nAname.n utanA khyAl honA chAhiye ki vah sarvathA ahitarUp nahI.n hai. utpAd to nirmal paryAyakA bhI hotA hai. aur vah nirmal paryAy sukharUp bhI hai. kyo.nki jo pragaT hotI hai vah sukhakA kAraN hotI hai. AnandakA vedan paryAyame.n AtA hai. isaliye vah sukhakA kAraN hai. arthAt sarvathA ahitarUp nahI.n hai. amuk apekShAse hai.

mumukShuH- AshrayakI apekShAse athavA usakA lakShya karanese vikalpa utpanna hotA hai, aisI samajhanapUrvak ahitarUp hai.

samAdhAnaH- lakShya karanA yA usakA Ashray karanA vah hitarUp nahI.n hai, parantu dravyakA Ashray karanA vahI kalyANakA kAraN hai. vahI AshrayarUp hai. usake Ashrayase hI sab pragaT hotA hai. usame.n koI bhI bhAShA (Aye), hit-ahit, lekin use khyAl rahe ki yah paryAy, nirmal paryAy chaitanyame.n pragaT hotI hai. itanA use khyAl honA chAhiye.

bhedaj~nAn kare ki yah vibhAvaparyAy mai.n nahI.n hU.N, vah to merA svabhAv hI nahI.n hai. aur us bhedaj~nAnakA jo jor hai ki yah dravya aur yah vibhAvaparyAy, in dono.nkA svabhAvabhed (hai). usakA jo bal hai vah bal to ekadam (hotA hai). phir yah nirmal paryAy (hotI hai), vah koI apekShAse, mai.n shAshvat hU.N usakA bhedaj~nAn, usase jo bhinna

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paDe usake jorame.n aur vibhAvase bhinna paDe usake jorame.n, us jorame.n use khyAl hotA hai, us jorame.n use pharka paDatA hai. pahalevAlA jor to atya.nt bhinna hU.N, aisA jor AtA hai. aur nirmal paryAyame.n atya.nt bhinna hU.N, aisA nahI.n AtA hai. parantu apekShAse a.nsh hai aur mai.n yah trikAlI hU.N. aise hotA hai. usame.n hit-ahit jo bhI ho... parantu Ashray chaitanyakA hai. yah Ashray lene yogya nahI.n hai. Ashray hitakA kAraN nahI.n hai.

mumukShuH- mAtAjI! itanI bhinnatA pahale jab tak nahI.n AtI hai, tab tak aisA lagatA hai ki kuCh na kuCh paryAyakI apekShA rah jAtI hai.

samAdhAnaH- khyAlame.n sab hai. khyAlame.n hotA hai isaliye usake jorame.n amuk hai. parantu dravya par dR^iShTime.n jor (rahatA hai ki), yah mai.n, yah chaitanyadravya vahI mai.n hU.N, usame.n sab paryAye.n svaya.n samA jAtI hai. dR^iShTikA jor ek dravya par hI rahatA hai. paryAy par anAdikA hai isaliye paryAyakI bhA.njagaD karatA rahatA hai. yah pariNAm, yah pariNAm... aise.

gurudev aisA hI kahate the ki dravya par dR^iShTi kare. isaliye usakA bal dhArAvAhI rahe. pariNAmakI bhA.njagaDame.n khaDA nahI.n rahe. mai.n ek j~nAyak hI hU.N. phir use aisA Aye ki yah merA svarUp nahI.n hai. yah mere puruShArthakI mandatAse hotA hai. aisA sAth-sAth hotA hai. dravyake jorake sAth-sAth j~nAn kAm karatA rahatA hai.

mumukShuH- ApakI kR^ipAse mai.n hR^idayase kahatA hU.N, shraddhAke sAth j~nAn sAth-sAth rahatA hai, yah jo Apane biThAyA hai, vah to aisA baiTh gayA hai ki shraddhAkI jo bhI bAt chalatI ho, phir bhI j~nAnakA viShay aur j~nAnakA kArya, dono.n ..

samAdhAnaH- .. ek dravya par dR^iShTi kare to sab gutthI sulajh jAtI hai. mai.n yah ek shAshvat dravya hU.N. usakA jor Ave to vah sab gutthI gauN ho jAtI hai. ekako lakShyame.n lenese sab bhramajAl ChUT jAtI hai.

.. usame.n koI nukasAnakA kAraN nahI.n hai. dR^iShTi anAdise nahI.n kI hai. dravyadR^iShTike bal binA Age nahI.n baDh sakatA. isaliye gurudev ekadam dravyadR^iShTike jorase, usakI pUrI dR^iShTi palaT jAy aise jorase upadeshame.n kahate the aur vastu svarUp dravyadR^iShTike jorame.n hI Age baDhatA hai. isaliye dravyadR^iShTike jorake sAth j~nAname.n yah khyAl honA chAhiye. kitano.nko ekAnta ho jAtA hai, isaliye nukasAnakA kAraN hotA hai. dravyadR^iShTi jor to mukhya hai, parantu usake sAth yah honA chAhiye. vah to mukhya hai, dravyadR^iShTikA jora.

.. sab mu.nbaIkA thA. Uparame.n. sab daravAje par Uparake bhAgame.n us prakArase sajAvaT kI thI. pahale huA nahI.n thA, sab pahalI bAr thA isaliye...

mumukShuH- ..

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samAdhAnaH- hA.N. udaghATan kiyA thA.

mumukShuH- unho.nne tIn hajAr diye the. svAdhyAy mandirake kampAunDame.n. tIn hajAr to unho.nne likhAyA thA. tIn hajAr to un dino.nme.n tIn lAkhase bhI jyAdA lagate the. isaliye unake hAtho.nse udaghATan karavAyA thA. ..

samAdhAnaH- pUrva dishAme.n. pUrva dishAkA jo daravAjA thA na...

mumukShuH-

samAdhAnaH- shItalaprasAdajI.

mumukShuH- hIrAbhAIke ba.ngalese gurudev padhAre to ghUmaghAmase padhAre the.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, dhUmadhAmase padhAre the.

mumukShuH- lAThInA utArese vahA.Nse chA.ndIke thAlame.n pustak lekar (Aye the).

mumukShuH- hame.n to kuCh mAlUm hI nahI.n hai.

samAdhAnaH- us vaktakA to yAd hI hotA hai na. pahalI bAr thA. sab pahalese svAdhyAy mandirame.n jAkar gIt gAte the. sab bhakti karate the. thoDI bahane.n (jAtI thI).

mumukShuH- us vakta to ApakI umra bhI ChoTI thI.

samAdhAnaH- 24 varSha. hi.nmatabhAI aur dUsare sab vahA.Nse "dharmadhvaj pharake Che more ma.ndiriye...' vah sab gAte-gAte Ate the.

mumukShuH- sa.nkhyA kitanI hogI?

samAdhAnaH- us vakta yahA.N to sa.nkhyA kam thI. parantu bAharagA.Nvase sab mumukShu Aye the. bAharagA.Nvake Aye the. lagabhag svAdhyAy mandir pUrA bhar gayA thA. kam nahI.n thI.

mumukShuH- gardI ho gayI thI.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, gardI ho gayI thI. khiDakI par aur dUsarI jagah khaDe the.

mumukShuH- shItalaprasAdajI... samayasAr virAjamAn kiyA. us vakta gardI thI.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, gardI thI. khiDakIme.n sab log khaDe the. shItalaprasAdajI us din kudaratI yahA.N Aye the, yahA.N the hI. phir koI mantra bole the. kuCh bhI bole ho.nge.

mumukShuH- un dino.nme.n kahA.N..

samAdhAnaH- gurudev udaghATan karate hai.n, vah phoTo nahI.n AyA hai. vah nahI.n hai. kholate hai.n, vah sab nahI.n hai. sa.npradAy gurudevane ChoDA thA, nahI.n to gurudev pratiShThA karate. lekin gurudev abhI un sabame.n nahI.n the, isaliye gurudevane aisA kahA.

mumukShuH- Aj hI gurudev bhagavatIsvarUp bole the. svAdhyAy mandirame.n.. utsAhakA pAr nahI.n thA. ...

samAdhAnaH- svAdhyAy mandirame.n guruedav padhAre, prabhAvanA bahut honevAlI thI isaliye

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vah shobhI bhI alag thI. gurudev, aise ma.ngalakArI ma.ngalamUrti gurudev padhAre isaliye prabhAvanA bahut joradAr honevAlI thI, isaliye us vakta sabako utsAh bhI bahut thA aur vah shobhA itanI lagatI thI. sabako harShakA pAr nahI.n thA. aisA lagatA thA.

mumukShuH- pUre gA.Nvame.n..

samAdhAnaH- utanA harSha..

mumukShuH- mai.n .. ophisame.n AyA, mai.nne Akar dekhA to yah kyA hai? ... isaliye pUChA ki yah kyA hai? aisA to kuCh thA nahI.n. usane kahA, ek sAdhu Aye hai.n. mai.nne kahA, sAdhu Aye ho usame.n aisA kahA.Nse? isaliye mai.n dekhane AyA. gurudev AhArake bAd chakkar lagAte the. gurudevako dekhA.. ???

samAdhAnaH- aisA lagatA thA ki mAno tairatA huA jahAj ho. bahut log aisA kahate the. aisA kahate the. us din to bhaktime.n pahalese Adat aisI ki dhajA lekar ghume to bhI sabako utsAh AtA thA. dhajA le-lekar phirate the. vahA.N jAkar tAlI bajAye, bhakti kare. itanA utsAh AtA thA ki mAno apane kitanA karate hai.n.

mumukShuH- pratiShThAse pahale ATh-das dinase..

samAdhAnaH- ma.ngal.. ma.ngal... gurudev pratApI puruSha. chAro.n or prabhAvanA honevAlI thI isaliye mAno itanA ma.ngalakArI aur bahut lagatA thA, sabako bahut bhAvanA thI. itanA utsAh thA. ma.ngalamUrti gurudev usame.n padhAre isaliye shobhA bhI utanI. yahA.N rahanevAle log kam the, parantu bAharase jo mumukShu the vah sab Aye the. svAdhyAyakA bahut thA, isaliye gurudevane svAdhyAy mandir kahA. svAdhyAy mandir (nAm) rakhiye.

mumukShuH- popaTabhAIne..

samAdhAnaH- lekin gurudevako svaya.nko thA.

mumukShuH- gurudevako svAdhyAyakA to bahut thA.

samAdhAnaH- bahut thA. pratiShThAkA gurudevane nakkI kiyA thA. samayasAr AdikA gurudevane nakkI kiyA thA. yahA.N samayasArakI pratiShThA karanI. yahA.N hamane Akar utthAn nahI.n kiyA hai. gurudevako shAstrakA bahut thA na, isaliye.

mumukShuH- sthApanA karanekA gurudevane Apako hI kahA ho, isIliye... nahI.n to..

mumukShuH- Ajake din jo bhI prabhAvanA huyI hai usakA .. yahA.N svAdhyAy mandirame.n hai.

samAdhAnaH- hA.N, svAdhyAy mandir hai. .. vah bAt pUrI alag thI. abhI sabako... gIt bhI aise gAte the, "surendra Avo gagananA, svAdhyAy mandire utaro, Avo gavaiyA svarganA, suvarNanA medAnamA.n...' aisA sab gAte the. gaganame.nse utare.nge. sabako aisI bhAvanA hotI thI. "surendro Avo gagananA, svAdhyAy mandire, kunda kundanA jay nAd bolo aur

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gurudevanA jay nAd bolo. sa.ngIt svargamA.nthI lAvajo ne ahI.n gAjo.. Avajo gra.nthAdhipati... gurudevanA guNagAnamA.n Avajo..' gurudevake padhAranese pahale vahA.N svAdhyAy mandirame.n jA-jAkar gAte the.

mumukShuH- mAtAjI! Apako bhaktime.n to pahalese.. ChoTI umra thI isaliye kitanA utsAh hogA aur kaisA gavAte ho.nge.

samAdhAnaH- sabhI bahane.n gAtI thI.

mumukShuH- pustak bhI dekhiye na ChoTI ChapavAyI thI.

samAdhAnaH- mandir huA na, usake bAd bhaktikA progrAm huA. roj bhakti karavAkar, sab gAye. usake pahale bhaktikA progrAm (nahI.n thA). mai.n gAU.N aur sab gAye, aisA progrAm nahI.n thA. bhAv Aye aur gAne lage. kitanI bahane sAthame.n gAtI thI. bhagavAn padhAre usake bAd bhaktikA progrAm huA. vyAkhyAn sunane jAte. usake bAd nivR^itti. samay ho tab shAstra paDhatI thI, dhyAn karatI thI. vah progrAma. mandir nahI.n thA, isaliye darshan Adi kuCh nahI.n thA. isaliye gurudevakA do vaktakA pravachan sunakar, bAdame.n dhyAn aur j~nAname.n. basa. usame.n rahanA thA. vA.nchan aur dhyAna. bahano.nke bIch vA.nchan karatI thI. dUsare koI progrAm nahI.n the.

mumukShuH- vA.nchan us samayase shurU ho gayA thA?

samAdhAnaH- bahano.nme. lekin bahane kitanI thI, thoDI bahane thI. vahA.N ek kamarA hai usame.n A jAte the. lAThInA utArAme.n thoDe ghar the aur thoDe Age-pIChe the. samiti aur bAkI sab usake bAd huA. is orake sab ghar bAdame.n hue. ek lAThIno utAro, vaDAno utAro, dono.n jagah the. koI-koI gA.Nvame.n ho. dUsarA koI nahI.n thA.

mumukShuH- usake bAd phir sIdhe svAdhyAy mandirame.n Aye.

samAdhAnaH- vahA.Nse sIdhe svAdhyAy mandira. bIchame.n pUrA ja.ngal thA. sab khet the. pUrA ja.ngal aur ek svAdhyAy ma.ndira. usake pIChe seniToriyam thA.

mumukShuH- ekadam a.ndherA.. samAdhAnaH- lAlaTen the. lAlaTename.n paDhanA, karanA Adi. lAlaTen the. mumukShuH- vaDAnA utArAme.n... samAdhAnaH- hA.N, vaDAnA utArAme.n rasoIghar thA. gurudevakA phoTo rakhate the aur gharapar bhaktikA progrAm shuru kiyA thA. aisA kiyA thA. aise kiyA thA. svAdhyAy mandirake samay vahA.N phoTo, samayasArakI sthApanA. vahA.N jAkar bhakti karate the. aise karate the.